[00:15] <e2096> Hi,  can somebody tell me if there is a way to boot up Lubuntu without generating the locales?
[00:20] <GnuSense1> What are the hard drive requirements for 11.04 lubuntu.? I have Hardy xubuntu on 2.5 GB ext3, but 8.04 won't be supported anymore.  /dev/sda5     ext3    2.5G  2.2G  177M  93% /
[00:20] <KM0201> GnuSense1: 2.5gb is bare, bare minimum.
[00:22] <GnuSense1> I figure I can strip out LibreOffice and any games, that should give me enough breathing room to get updates and install a few packages I use.
[00:25] <GnuSense1> I saw something on the release notes about pcmanfm having gvfs/gio.  Does it now support browsing network shares like xfce 4.8 Thunar?
[00:26] <KM0201> GnuSense1: i dunno... minimum install, is 2.1gig
[00:26] <KM0201> and... i don't know about browsing network shares, hang on
[00:26] <GnuSense1> I guess LibreOffice isn't on the CD, Gnumeric and Abiword are, but they are pretty small.
[00:26] <KM0201> right
[00:27] <KM0201> GnuSense1: i don't see browsing network shares
[00:27] <KM0201> GnuSense1: i don't think you're gonna get much out of 2.1gigs to be honest
[00:28] <GnuSense1> 2.5, but yes, its a tight squeeze.  I've been running Hardy Xubuntu since 2008, though.
[00:28] <KM0201> GnuSense1: i'm surprised honestly
[00:29] <GnuSense1> Sometimes I have to update some packages, do a 'apt-get clean', then update the rest.
[00:30] <GnuSense1> And obviously immediately clean up any old kernels
[00:31] <KM0201> wow.. i think i'd spread it to about 4-5gigs, to make it much easier
[00:33] <GnuSense1> 8 year old laptop, small hard drive, the Windows partition only has a spare 1.9 GB, and even though I never use it, I figured I paid for it and out to keep it.
[00:33] <KM0201> 8yrs old? for crying out loud, nuke windows
[00:35] <GnuSense1> I guess I should.  I only boot it to update it and it was never super stable, but it is nice to have a Windows install to use as a model to support Windows using friends and family.
[00:40] <GnuSense1> It doesn't look like there is too much extra to strip out of the base install, Ace of Penguins, gnumeric, maybe Sylpheed, Transmission and xchat (since it has pidgin), but then I need to install flash and codecs.  I like the package choice (audacious is my favorite music player, mtpaint is great, pcmanfm is light but has tabs, GPicView is one of my favorite graphics browsers (along with Geeqie)
[00:46] <KM0201> GnuSense1: i dunno.. seems awful low on space
[00:48] <GnuSense1> I could probably nuke my 2.2 GB /home partition and give myself a bit more overhead without a dedicated /home, but I run straight Lucid Ubuntu on a Dell Mini with a 4 GB ssd and it works OK.
[00:49] <GnuSense1> Boots to GDM in something like 10 seconds, too, with an Atom CPU
[01:27] <mrowley> Hello, is this where I can get help configuring my system? I just switched from Ubuntu to Lubuntu, and have a few quick questions.
[01:30] <WiZ> what would you like to do?
[01:32] <mrowley> Thanks! I just want to disable touch-clicking on my touchpad. Stray clicks bother me. I have the synaptics touchpad package installed (by default, apparently), but the keyboard and mouse settings in the menu are very simple and include no touchpad features.
[01:34] <mrowley> I just installed 11.04, and the synaptics touchpad driver worked for the same laptop on ubuntu 10.8.
[02:06] <szczur> mrowley, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457053
[02:15] <mrowley> Thank-you szczur. I read about setting MaxTapTime=0, but didn't know where to do it. I'll give this a try now!
[02:17] <szczur> no problem :)
[03:26] <KM0201> is there an eay way to change lubuntu's login screen wallpaper?
[03:34] <Unit193> KM0201: sudo nano /etc/lxdm/default.conf and put your pic in /usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers/ (with correct permissions)
[03:37] <KM0201> gotcha
[06:51] <MK``> Where can I get the previous versions of Lubuntu and the alphas?
[06:54] <KM0201> MK``: previous versions?.. probably on lubuntu.net would be my guess.. the alphas for 11.10 probably aren't out yet
[06:55] <MK``> it lists md5sums for them but the isos/torrents are not linked
[06:55] <MK``> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/
[06:55] <MK``> there
[06:55] <Unit193> MK``: One second from posting that...
[06:56] <KM0201> man, thats slower than christmas
[06:56] <MK``> I mean that only has the recent ones D:
[06:58] <bioterror> i have a secret stash!
[06:59] <bioterror> phillw, give kids some alphas ;)
[07:08] <Ascavasaion> I just looked at http://www.linoob.com/2011/04/lubuntu-11-04-final-released/ for minimum requirements.  I am running an AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD which is well within the minimum requirements there.  I was wondering if anyone here has run lubuntu on a similar or older machine and if they can tell me if it is really worth it.
[07:08]  * Unit193 walks it on 500MHz
[07:09] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Walks it?  As in 11.04 runs okay on it?
[07:10] <Unit193> It's not as fast as it is on newer computers. Your computer will run it just fine!
[07:11] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: Thank you buddy... I appreciate it.  I am capped by my ISP, so I tend to be a scrooge with large downloads of ISOs.  But if you say it will be fine then I will go ahead and download the ISO.
[07:12] <Unit193> Ascavasaion: I have never tested it on a computer in that range, only faster and slower
[07:13] <Ascavasaion> Unit193: I am just looking for a machine I can play MP3s on like a uke box, run a small internal IRC server, and leave conenctions onto international IRC connections, MSN, etc.  runngin 24/7
[07:14] <MK``> sounds fine
[07:14] <phillw> MK``: they al on my server area :P
[07:15] <MK``> phillw: can I has?
[07:15] <Unit193> Ascavasaion: I run it 24/42 (so far ;) ) with irssi and some other programs
[07:16] <Ascavasaion> thank you guys.  I appreciate it.  Let me get downloading :)
[07:21] <Ascavasaion> Um, another thing... is lubuntu 11.04 a LTS version?
[07:21] <Unit193> Not that I know of
[07:22] <Ascavasaion> Oh :(
[07:22] <Ascavasaion> Darn!
[07:23] <MK``> Ascavasaion: it's not an "official" LTS but the community is providing support for it as if it were
[07:23] <MK``> due to 10.10's dropping of support for i586 processors
[07:23] <MK``> er...
[07:23] <MK``> 10.04 I meant
[07:23] <Ascavasaion> MK``: Aaah, thank you :)
[07:23] <MK``> sorry
[07:23] <MK``> 11.04 is not an LTS.
[07:24] <phillw> MK``: 10,04 is on the documentation
[07:24] <MK``> k
[07:24] <MK``> phillw: is this server area public? :P
[07:25] <phillw> MK``: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[07:25] <MK``> ahh
[07:26] <MK``> ok
[07:26] <MK``> thanks
[07:26] <MK``> Damn...
[07:27] <MK``> the HD I was going to install xubuntu and lubuntu on has 33 bad sectors :(
[07:27] <phillw> I'm not too sure how many torrent feeds you will find, if none then use my server but it is throttled on iso uploads.
[07:28] <phillw> 33 is not too bad :)
[07:28] <Unit193> "The team are committed"?
[07:30] <phillw> Unit193: it was a very sort exchange of emails once we became aware of i586 being dropped from 10.10..... We will support 10.04 as if it was an LTS (even though for us it was not).
[07:30] <phillw> s/sort/short
[07:50] <MK``> phillw: doesn't seem to have any torrents :P
[07:52] <Unit193> MK``: I *think* this might be what you're looking for: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.04.iso.torrent
[07:53] <MK``> I was looking for the alpha and beta torrents/isos, Unit193
[07:54] <MK``> Seems phillw has the natty ones, I will have to search around for the lucid and maverick ones
[07:54] <Unit193> Then I think wrong...
[07:54] <MK``> :P
[07:57] <phillw> MK``: I have the majority of the lubuntu alpha and beta releases still on my server, if you tell which one you are after I'll check and see if it is there.
[07:57] <MK``> all the ones listed here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
[07:57] <phillw> MK``: what, you want them all?
[07:58] <MK``> I want to make an archive :P
[07:58] <head_victim> I have 10.04, 10.10, 10.10 Alternate, 11.04 A1, A2 A3 B1 B2 and Final Release seeding ATM.
[07:59] <phillw> My server provider would fry my delicate parts were I to do that!
[08:00] <head_victim> My 11.04 is nearly at a ratio of 10 already
[08:00] <Unit193> MK``: If you get them, screenshots of all the default desktops?
[08:00] <MK``> can you send me the torrents head_victim
[08:00] <head_victim> Would have been better but I forgot to switch it on properly release night
[08:00] <MK``> sure Unit193 :P
[08:01] <head_victim> MK``: pm me an email address?
[08:01] <MK``> can't dcc?
[08:01] <head_victim> On a different pc
[08:04] <phillw> MK``: there is an archive, fully backed up of every iso uploaded to my server in Canada, which is where my server lives (I'm in the UK).
[08:04] <MK``> cool
[08:05] <phillw> The company were kind enough to allow the shared server be allowed to be a direct download fall back for lubuntu iso's.
[08:06] <head_victim> MK``: so they're all the ones I still seed anyway.
[08:06] <head_victim> Let me know if there's  a problem
[08:07] <head_victim> It's currently open as much as my residential connection allows. If anyone starts gaming it gets slowed right down though. So just a heads up they will still seed, just the speed goes up and down sometimes.
[08:07] <MK``> yeah that's fine, no rush
[08:09] <head_victim> I have a 50GB plan at home here that I generally only use 20 or so of a month. The rest I try and donate to Lubuntu by seeding (uploads count towards my quota)
[08:12] <phillw> head_victim: even as the direct server for lubuntu, I'm still classed as a 'light' user by the company I use for my server.
[08:13] <MK``> Once I got them all I will seed them
[08:13] <MK``> my ISP introduced data caps yesterday, actually heh. Previously unlimited.
[08:14] <Unit193> I still have unlimited
[08:14] <phillw> MK``: only 10.04 and 11.04 need seeding
[08:14] <MK``> naturally
[08:15] <head_victim> I was actually going to clean up my torrent stuff this week now that the new release is out
[08:15] <head_victim> I would have deleted all those alphas and betas in that process
[08:16] <MK``> Seeding 11.04 now.
[08:16] <MK``> heh
[08:16] <head_victim> Nice to see oneiric popping up in the repositories today.
[08:17] <head_victim> (I noticed it when running my daily rsync of a Ubuntu mirror)
[08:17] <phillw> head_victim: as we are comitted to support 10.04, that should still be available. 10.10 does not really need to be used with the release of 11.04
[08:17] <head_victim> phillw: yeah that's what i was thinking.
[08:17] <head_victim> I was going ot keep the iso
[08:17] <head_victim> Never know when having an old release is handy. The testing ones I was going to ditch
[08:18] <MK``> I'm that guy that hordes files
[08:18] <MK``> so, yeah
[08:19] <phillw> head_victim: bioterror keeps my server up to date with all the releases, heck I only have 1 TB of space and still rattle around like one bean in an empty can :P
[08:20] <phillw> Just to hit 20% would be great :)
[08:20] <head_victim> Hah, mirror a Ubuntu release and archive server - that's just under 700GB as of today :)
[08:20] <MK``> i'm on my way
[08:23] <phillw> head_victim: once the new dedicated server is set up, I have something like 10 TB on it... Even that young crazy Australian will not need two accounts to store his pornogaphy DVDs on :P
[08:26] <phillw> Holy crap, we're on the support channel. :(
[08:26]  * phillw moves to offtopic
[08:27] <MK``> Well I'm getting to bed. Night guys.
[12:43] <lubuntu> how run Bluetooth in lubuntu ?
[12:43] <bioterror> !bluetooth
[12:45] <lubuntu> i know but where is icon of BT default is off
[12:45] <lubuntu> in tray
[12:45] <bioterror> you need to run it
[12:46] <lubuntu> ok i have
[12:46] <bioterror> add to startup or something
[12:46] <lubuntu> bluetooth-agent
[12:46] <MrChrisDruif> Bluetooth isn't a systray but an indicator these days
[12:46]  * bioterror still prefers cable
[12:46] <bioterror> ;)
[12:49] <lubuntu> i preffer too but BT is easy to send one file ;)
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed :)
[12:51] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, have we managed to create a distribution which can finally talk for itself? =-O
[12:59] <head_victim> The SII is among us!
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[13:01] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[13:03] <lubuntu> what program is good on ubuntu  for nokia phone ?
[13:04] <bioterror> I used pcmanfm with my N97 mini
[13:04] <bioterror> for file management :D
[13:16] <lubuntu> i use too but something like pcsuit is on linux ?
[13:16] <lubuntu> for internet connection 3g?
[13:16] <bioterror> hahaha
[13:17] <bioterror> I know a finnish guide
[13:17] <bioterror> how to make your pc dial thru phone
[13:17] <bioterror> but nowdays phones can work as a wlan AP
[13:18] <lubuntu> my n73 dont have wifi
[13:18] <lubuntu> its possible to use internet from usb ?
[13:18] <lubuntu> on phone
[13:20] <bioterror> sure
[13:20] <bioterror> pppon pppoff and so on
[13:29] <bioterror> actually
[13:29] <bioterror> now I remember
[13:29] <bioterror> I used network manager for calling to internetz!
[13:29] <bioterror> few months ago
[13:29] <bioterror> you choose your ISP and click next next next
[14:42] <lubuntu> thx, i try
[14:43] <lubuntu> i download rar file and dont unrar default in system? ;)
[14:51] <MrChrisDruif> Rar isn't an open format afaik. You can install it with Synaptic
[15:00] <lubuntu> yes i do it
[15:00] <lubuntu> its unrar free and not free i see in synaptic
[17:40] <stlsaint> room poke
[17:54] <lubuntu> ?
[17:55] <KM0201> something kinda strange i've noticed with lubuntu... if you got o yoru desktop preferences to change your wallpaper, and choose in wallpaper mode "Fill with background color"... you'll immediately go to a black screen w/  acursor... i tried running some commands, but there's no prompt, just a flashing cursor.  Did it twice.. had to reboot to get back to my normal desktop.
[17:56] <KM0201> not a huge deal, just a heads up.
[18:11] <stlsaint> lubuntu: yes
[18:11] <stlsaint> KM0201: if that is repeatable then that is a bug that you can file with launchpad
[18:11] <lubuntu> what yes?
[18:11] <stlsaint> brb
[18:12] <KM0201> stlsaint: well, definitely repeatable... but my launchpad password isn't working for some reason.. lemme check and see if they mailed me a new password.
[18:13] <KM0201> nope
[18:13] <KM0201> i signed up for a new one a fwe days ago
[18:15] <kill3> Why can't I find Lubuntu alternative install iso?
[18:15] <lubuntu> becouse instalator dont take too much
[18:16] <KM0201> kill3: they're out there...
[18:16] <kill3> I need one, but I could not find
[18:17] <kill3> I burned normal cd but my old computer can't handle it really
[18:17] <KM0201> hang on, someone posted a link to the server yesterda
[18:18] <KM0201> hmm
[18:18] <KM0201> maybe there is no alternate, i thought there was
[18:18] <KM0201> !alternate
[18:18] <KM0201> that goes to ubuntu
[18:19] <kill3> Kinda funny that Lubuntu alternate cd is hidden or there is none
[18:19] <KM0201> kill3: that really is strange
[18:19] <bioterror> there's none afaik
[18:19] <bioterror> noone has made it yet :D
[18:20] <KM0201> wonder if you could do a minimal install cd (with ubuntu) and install lxde?
[18:20] <kill3> Should I wait for it or use my 10.10 alternate cd?
[18:20] <KM0201> kill3: is it lubuntu 10.10, or ubuntu?
[18:20] <kill3> Lubuntu 10.10
[18:20] <KM0201> !minimal
[18:20] <KM0201> eh, nevermind
[18:21] <KM0201> that wouldn't work, becasue thats just gionna download gnome or whatever min. cd you downloaded.
[18:21] <kill3> Is there going to be released one?
[18:21] <KM0201> i was thinking it let you choose your GUI.
[18:21] <KM0201> kill3: i would certainly think (and hope) so
[18:22] <kill3> So should I use Ubuntu 10.04 minimal install or Lubuntu 10.10 minimal install?
[18:23] <KM0201> kill3: i'd use the 10.10 minimal, install, update, then upgrade lubuntu to 11.04
[18:23] <KM0201> thats just me though.. kind of a long way to go about it though
[18:24] <KM0201> well, looks like my bug is "known"... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/718343
[18:25] <kill3> Do I need to download all 10.10 updates before upgrading to 11.04  Lubuntu?
[18:25] <KM0201> kill3: hm, i'm not really sure...
[18:26] <lubuntu> no
[18:26] <KM0201> kill3: i would think so.. but i really don't know... of course, it also seems logical that 11.04 upgrade, will pull in appropriate pcakages
[18:26] <KM0201> well theres your answer. :)
[18:35] <kill3> I could not find my Lubuntu cd and my Ubuntu cd is 64bit so I guess I just wait if somebody makes a minimal iso for Lubuntu 11.04...
[18:38] <MK``> head_victim: I am now downloading the torrents
[19:04] <szczur> kill3, you can download this iso http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:04] <szczur> and then follow these steps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[19:08] <WiZ> kill3: - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:18] <KM0201> WiZ: pretty slick...
[19:19] <KM0201> WiZ: i take it that will also work w/ Lubuntu?
[19:19] <KM0201> sorry.. lubuntu 11.04
[19:21] <WiZ> yes
[19:40] <lubuntu> lubuntu 11.04 is grate ! :)
[19:41] <lubuntu> have some problem with gdesklets but its ok
[19:44] <KM0201> WiZ: yeah, i realized that after i posted that question.. that was specifically about lubuntu..lol
[19:45] <lubuntu> why in lubuntu radiotray info is so big?
[19:49] <WiZ> lol
[19:56] <bioterror> lubuntu, we like it things big!
[19:56] <lubuntu> yes but it soo big ;) 100px height;)
[20:12] <stlsaint> BORKED MINIMAL INSTALL
[20:12] <KM0201> stlsaint: i'm trying it in vbox now.
[20:12] <KM0201> :)
[20:13] <KM0201> so far, so good.. but its just now installing the base
[20:13] <stlsaint> Yea well i was too excited to go with vbox so now i have to download the full iso to do a live install
[20:13] <KM0201> lol
[20:13]  * Unit193 Installed LiveCD in VBox than added Liquorix :)
[20:13] <KM0201> i just wanna see if thosee instructions work.. where did you fail?
[20:14] <KM0201> what is the "--no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop"... can you change that to "yes"... ? and install the codecs and what not? (i guess ic an try
[20:15] <stlsaint> KM0201: i dunno it stalled and i rebooted and BORK
[20:15] <KM0201> hmm
[20:15] <KM0201> guess we'll see, i'm only about 6% instaling the base system now, so i got a ways to go
[20:19] <KM0201> now it's cooking, its extracting and installing.. :)
[20:20] <KM0201> Unit193: liqurix?
[20:20]  * KM0201 has no idea what that is
[20:20] <KM0201> :)
[20:21] <Unit193> KM0201: Bleeding edge kernel (It's a bit faster)
[20:21] <KM0201> oh ok
[20:22] <KM0201> i don't do bleeding edge, unless i have a really good reason.. a bit faster wouldn't qualify
[20:22] <Unit193> Faster really does it for me (And it's only currently in a VM)
[20:23] <KM0201> oh ok.
[20:23] <KM0201> i probably would've tried it there.
[20:28] <kill3> szczur: I cannot use ethernet connection
[20:30] <kill3> So I guess I just wait if alternate install iso appears
[20:33] <kill3> or should I try installing from USB, does it need same a mount of memory? Strange that 256MB is not enough to normal live cd installation btw...
[20:33] <KM0201> kill3: i take it the alt. cd doesn't recognize your wireless device?
[20:36] <kill3> I didn't manage to get it work even before install in 10.10, drivers, drivers...
[20:40] <KM0201> kill3: hmm.. well, so far so good.. i'm at 83% on instaling the base now.. when thats done, i'll restart the virtual machine and follow the instructinos, see what happens
[20:52]  * KM0201 wonders how long could it possibly take to "prepare linux-headers".
[20:52] <KM0201> lol.. and now it moves
[20:52] <KM0201> slowly but surely.. now at 91%
[20:53] <KM0201> uh oh, 93, and it looks like its really running now..lol
[20:55] <KM0201> configuring apt.. almost there
[23:38] <Gulfstream> Is there a Lubuntu Mac PPC .iso?
[23:40] <Unit193> Gulfstream: You may be able to install lubuntu-desktop from the !mini iso
[23:40] <Gulfstream> maybe that'll work. thanks
[23:46] <kosaidpo|>  is it possible to install the 11.04 from my usb but iwanna keep these apps and games i have
[23:50] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Not sure, with Ubuntu you get the option to upgrade your current install. Don't know if it's the same with Lubuntu
[23:51] <kosaidpo|> wht abt cp my game folders from the sytem 's folder and past it late
[23:51] <kosaidpo|> wud that wok ??
[23:52] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know what you mean, not would I know if that'll work
[23:56] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: well i have for ex X game in the /usr/bin place so ill copy it
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[23:57] <kosaidpo|> then when im done installin 11.04 ill past it their again
[23:57] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: you got me now : ]
[23:57] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, kinda :)
[23:58] <kosaidpo|> hahah so wht you think wud that work ??