[00:23] <hakeon> hello ~ first timer here... my MS/Mac friends are getting blank slides of any ppt i submit... what's up?
[00:24] <hakeon> BTW, i have used openoffice and now use libredoc
[00:28] <starcraftman> hakeon: can you send me this file and I'll have a look.
[00:29] <hakeon> great ~ whats the best way to send it?
[00:29] <starcraftman> hakeon: hosting on a site like megaupload or yousendit would be best I suppose.
[00:30] <starcraftman> hakeon: ^ or any other download link service
[00:31] <hakeon> i'm on it... thx... give me just a minute or two and i'll let ya know - thx
[00:34] <starcraftman> hakeon: roger ping me, doing few things
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> What's wrong?
[00:37] <MrChrisDruif> starcraftman: ^
[00:37] <starcraftman> MrChrisDruif: history > http://pastebin.com/D2FpwXVN
[00:38] <MrChrisDruif> Alright....is the file shared? :P
[00:41] <starcraftman> MrChrisDruif: waiting, also back in a minute. I go for snack and see dog
[00:41] <yax51> is there an easy way to update the programs I have installed in ubuntu?
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: Depends on HOW you've installed them ^^
[00:43] <yax51> aaah ok, that makes sense, if I use synaptic then I would upgrade via there and so on......got it
[00:43] <MrChrisDruif> yax51: If you install software via ppa, it gets automatically updated :)
[00:44] <yax51> not familiar with ppa?
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> And apt/synaptic/Ubuntu software center all do the same
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> So you can update your software via all those and even update manager
[00:45] <MrChrisDruif> Update manager is just a GUI for sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:45] <starcraftman> yax51: basically unless you installed software manually by a standalone deb or compiling it should upgrade.
[00:46] <yax51> aaah ok cool
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed, that was my next step: manually installing via deb or compiling from source (but I guess the latter you won't have done, or even heard about :P)
[00:48] <yax51> no I haven't had to compile much from the source, but the one I have there isn't any upgrades for it... yet ;)
[01:10] <tepster> hello
[01:11] <tepster> quick question - is it common practice to encrypt the home directory? it that what most users do?
[01:12] <pleia2> no
[01:12] <MrChrisDruif> tepster: For mobile settings (like a laptop) I personally would recommend it more then on a desktop system. HOWEVER: even I don't do it on my flappie :P
[01:12] <pleia2> it's really only people who are particularly concerned about security
[01:13] <MrChrisDruif> Which is a laptop, you've guessed it right ;)
[01:13]  * pleia2 has never done it, and she travels a lot with a netbook ;)
[01:13] <tepster> so if someone stole my laptop, there is no way they can retrieve any data in /home?
[01:14] <MrChrisDruif> Not easily anyway
[01:16] <pleia2> actually if they stole the laptop it would be pretty easy to access the home directory if it's unencrypted, they could just boot into a livecd and mount hte disk
[01:17] <pleia2> so whether you encrypt depends on how concerned you are about the data you store and how worried you are about the laptop being stolen, it turns out most people dont worry about either very much
[01:17] <pleia2> I simply avoid keeping sensitive or irreplaceable data on my netbook
[01:17] <tepster> ah ok. i chose to encrypt it when i installed ubuntu today. I hope it's not too much of a  performance hit
[01:18] <MrChrisDruif> tepster: Only at boot up if I remember correctly...it only needs to unlock it
[02:23] <hakeon__> can anyone help w/ 11.04 libreoffice compatibility?
[02:36] <yax51> does anyone know about the asusg50oled daemon? or if I can change the notification output of empathy to utilize that?
[02:52] <hakeon__> libreoffice presentation blank slides when opened by MS or Mac... help?
[02:57] <yax51> I would think it would be a file format issue if anything
[02:59] <yax51> what are you saving it as?
[03:00] <yax51> hakeon: what are you saving it as?
[03:01] <holstein> hajour: libreoffice on the mac and PC?
[03:26] <jep> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and my ethernet adapter is not working (the same one i'm using with windows now). It shows up in 'lshw -C network' as disabled. Any ideas?
[03:26] <holstein> jep: is this a new thing?
[03:26] <holstein> or did it ever work?
[03:27] <jep> well a different adapter worked, but it stopped as well
[03:28] <holstein> jep: but the one in question never worked?
[03:29] <jep> no, it's new. but i am using it in windows right now.
[03:29] <jep> (dual boot)
[03:30] <holstein> jep: thats the only way you can get online with ubuntu?
[03:30] <holstein> i would like to suggest that you update
[03:30] <holstein> incase there is a kernel update that would help
[03:31] <holstein> other than that, we'd just have to search for a bug relating to your specific hardware
[03:31] <holstein> and go from there
[03:31] <jep> The bug would have to be across 2 different hardwares
[03:31] <jep> but how would I update? burn an ISO?
[03:32] <jep> I mean I could just download it on this partition and run it from Ubuntu
[03:32] <holstein> jep: ive never needed to do that
[03:33] <holstein> its usually wifi that doesnt work
[03:33] <holstein> and i just wire up and update
[03:33] <holstein> and get fixes
[03:33] <holstein> i had a network adapter that wouldnt work
[03:33] <holstein> but i have a bunch of parts
[03:33] <holstein> so i just put another one in
[03:34] <jep> usb wifi and pci-x ethernet no work :\
[03:34] <holstein> whats the wifi?
[03:34] <holstein> maybe you can DL what is necessary to make it work
[03:34] <holstein> that should only be a few packages*
[03:35] <jep> it used to work lol, i dont have it at the moment anyways
[03:35] <jep> seems very strange
[03:35] <jep> maybe i could reinstall from my os disc? i dont want to lose my data again, already did that once
[03:36] <holstein> when you get on the machine
[03:36] <holstein> run lspci
[03:36] <holstein> and paste that in somewhere
[03:36] <holstein> and we can look for bug reports
[03:36] <holstein> no reason why you should reinstall
[03:36] <holstein> unless you just want to
[03:36] <jep> ok, it shows the controller info for the pci-x adapter... it just doesnt work
[03:37] <jep> it says Marvell...
[03:37] <holstein> jep: did you just disable networking?
[03:37] <holstein> in the net applet?
[03:37] <jep> i hope not !
[03:37] <holstein> jep: you can always burn live CD's
[03:38] <holstein> and boot those
[03:38] <holstein> see if the network works
[03:38] <jep> but it is listed as disabled yes (i.e. network *DISABLED)
[03:38] <holstein> then, you know if its your install, or linux in general that is not supporting your hardware
[03:39] <jep> but 'sudo ifconfig eth1 up' enables it
[03:39] <jep> and i still get nothing
[03:40] <jep> I guess I should try the live CD? How can I check the net applet?
[03:40] <holstein> jep: try the LIVE cd first
[03:41] <holstein> i think thats going to be very telling
[03:41] <jep> ok i will do that hopefully tonight.
[03:42] <jep> thank you. i've been asking around and not getting help
[03:42] <holstein> well, come back if you need
[03:42] <holstein> when you get the results of that
[03:42] <holstein> and we'll try some more stuff :)
[05:19] <Error404NotFound> ok im having a problem with firefox
[05:19] <Error404NotFound> when i open it a small blank box pops up in it
[05:19] <Error404NotFound> with an x to close it
[05:19] <Error404NotFound> any ideas?
[05:20] <Error404NotFound> holstein
[05:21] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i would try a different browser
[05:21] <Error404NotFound> can you get ie for linux?
[05:21] <holstein> internet explorer?
[05:22] <Error404NotFound> yes
[05:22] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=16041
[05:22] <holstein> you dont want to do that though
[05:22] <Error404NotFound> y
[05:23] <holstein> you could try getting rid of the config directory
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> ive always hated firefox
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> and would much rather use ie
[05:23] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OK
[05:23] <holstein> try some others
[05:23] <holstein> sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> ive used chrome opera
[05:23] <Error404NotFound> they all suck
[05:23] <holstein> opera is nice in linux
[05:23] <holstein> really fast
[05:23] <holstein> ?
[05:24] <holstein> thats odd
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> safari for linux?
[05:24] <holstein> i find ie to be not only at the bottom of my list of browsers
[05:24] <holstein> but just kinda bad and slow in general
[05:24] <holstein> BUT, you can try to get it working
[05:24] <Error404NotFound> well i dont know what its like in linux
[05:25] <holstein> Error404NotFound: there are SO many browsers
[05:25] <Error404NotFound> but for windows i thought it was the best by a mile
[05:25] <holstein> midori
[05:25] <holstein> yeah? what did you like best about it?
[05:25] <Error404NotFound> speed
[05:25] <holstein> ?
[05:25] <Error404NotFound> never crashes
[05:25] <holstein> lol
[05:25] <Error404NotFound> firefox always crashes on me
[05:26] <holstein> we have had different experiences for sure
[05:26] <holstein> i remember i updated someone to IE8
[05:26] <holstein> and their printer wouldnt work anymore
[05:27] <Error404NotFound> lol
[05:27] <holstein> took a lot of trouble shooting and googleing to sort that out
[05:27] <holstein> anyways... try some other browsers
[05:27] <holstein> opera really is quite nice in linux
[05:27] <holstein> i dont use it*
[05:27] <holstein> but its crazy fast
[05:28] <holstein> anyhow, i gotta crash
[05:28] <holstein> Error404NotFound: good luck :)
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> im sure ill need it
[05:30] <Error404NotFound> ok what is package format?
[05:31] <Error404NotFound> tar.bz2 or tar.gz
[05:33] <Error404NotFound> holstein
[05:36] <Error404NotFound> nvm
[05:42] <Error404NotFound> how do i get rid of firefox
[05:46] <bioterror> sudo apt-get purge firefox
[05:50] <Error404NotFound> i used synaptic
[05:50] <Error404NotFound> ty though
[08:38] <sdollins> Have you guys had a higher than normal amount of complaints about things breaking after upgrades?
[09:08] <head_victim> sdollins: not that I've noticed
[09:09] <sdollins> After some recent updates today (i upgraded to natty a couple days ago) several things broke :<
[12:38] <HillBillyRock> Can anyone help me with a problem please?
[12:39] <s-fox> HillBillyRock,  Please state the problem.
[12:39] <HillBillyRock> I have apparently installed cd-circleprint but I can't find it to run it
[12:42] <s-fox> HillBillyRock,  Open terminal.
[12:42] <s-fox> HillBillyRock,  Run: cd-circleprint
[12:43] <HillBillyRock> Ok.  Great.  Thank you
[12:48] <s-fox> Glad to be of service HillBillyRock
[14:13] <raju> duanedesign:  ping
[15:07] <Abhijit> Daniel0108, ping
[15:09] <Abhijit> yofel, ping
[15:10] <yofel> ?
[15:10] <Abhijit> yofel, is that you who i have talked some weeks ago and you play violin or some other music intstrumnet? you showed me your video with your friend playing????
[15:10] <yofel> nope, not me
[15:10] <Abhijit> yofel, nvm. sorry.
[15:10] <yofel> ^^
[15:17] <Daniel0108> Abhijit: yes?
[15:18] <Abhijit> Daniel0108, do you play any kind of musical instrument?
[15:18] <Daniel0108> Abhijit: I played keyboard a few years ago ;)
[15:18] <Abhijit> ammm
[15:19] <Abhijit> is that yoou who have showed me your video on youtubhe playing your partner on piano and violin:?
[15:19] <Daniel0108> nope :P
[15:20] <Abhijit> ok
[15:24] <MrChrisDruif> Abhijit: It wasn't me either
[15:24] <Abhijit> MrChrisDruif, :-/
[15:26] <MrChrisDruif> I do play music and sing thou
[15:30] <Abhijit> MrChrisDruif, play what sort of music? which instrument?
[15:37] <shadowlemon> Hi; I've put a static ip on a server in /etc/network/interfaces; on /etc/init.d/networking restart it gets the right ip, but after x amount of time it's ip changes. The pc is not being turned off,  and the ip is random, am i missing something?
[15:38] <holstein> shadowlemon: that is odd
[15:38] <holstein> SO, you set it to something like 192.168.1.100
[15:38] <holstein> and it seems to be OK with that
[15:38] <holstein> and then changes to 192.168.1.x ?
[15:38] <holstein> not .100?
[15:39] <shadowlemon> yep
[15:39] <holstein> then, is it functional?
[15:39] <shadowlemon> i can connect to it from ssh
[15:39] <shadowlemon> so i'd say it is
[15:39] <holstein> odd
[15:39] <holstein> that *should* do it
[15:39] <holstein> at my skill level
[15:39] <shadowlemon> same
[15:39] <holstein> i would probably just try restarting
[15:39] <holstein> and see if its still doing it
[15:40] <holstein> then, really look at the information in that config file
[15:40] <holstein> double check it*
[15:40] <holstein> which im sure you have
[15:40] <holstein> so triple-check :)
[15:40] <shadowlemon> i double checked, but my knowledge of editing such files is not very high, but i found it whilst googling
[15:41] <shadowlemon> and it gives the right ip on restart
[15:41] <shadowlemon> anyways i'll go to the server now
[15:41] <holstein> shadowlemon: pastebin the config if you want
[15:41] <holstein> and we'll look
[15:41] <holstein> i can pull up the one i have
[15:41] <holstein> on my server
[15:41] <holstein> that is static, and functional
[15:42] <shadowlemon> ok let's see
[15:42] <holstein> not much going on in there though
[15:42] <shadowlemon> i know
[15:43] <shadowlemon> btw question: would you be offended if you ask a really obvious question at your coworkers, and he responds in a mail 'please rtfm: <link here>'?
[15:43] <shadowlemon>  /random
[15:43] <holstein> shadowlemon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/602806/
[15:43] <holstein> shadowlemon: hmmm, i guess that would depend
[15:44] <holstein> if it was the 9th time that week
[15:44] <holstein> that the same question came up
[15:44] <holstein> i probably would expect it ;)
[15:44] <shadowlemon> one of my coworkers apparently don't know how to connect to IRC, and expects me to explain him
[15:44] <shadowlemon> so i just sent something back like
[15:44] <shadowlemon> please rtfm: link
[15:44] <holstein> shadowlemon: i like those freenode webchat links
[15:44] <holstein> i send those to our local LUG
[15:45] <shadowlemon> rofl
[15:45] <holstein> and ubuntu loco mailing list
[15:45] <shadowlemon> well it wasn't webchat i sent, just a guide to xchat or so
[15:45] <holstein> yeah, this is click and you're in
[15:45] <holstein> too easy
[15:45] <holstein> IF it comes to that*
[15:45] <holstein> its challenging sometimes
[15:45] <holstein> like in here
[15:45] <shadowlemon> i got something back like: you can't tell me to RTFM, things that are obvious to you might not be to others
[15:46] <holstein> i want to be helpful
[15:46] <holstein> BUT, i also want to try and leave it vague enough
[15:46] <holstein> so that the user might look up a little on their own
[15:46] <holstein> and learn how to find the information
[15:46] <holstein> which is in my opinion, better than just doing it for them
[15:46] <shadowlemon> i'm always helpful.. too helpful, and too considerate. heck. I might even code something for someone else whilst he's sitting there.
[15:46] <shadowlemon> so i'm trying to change my policy :)
[15:46] <holstein> hehe
[15:46] <shadowlemon> too drastically
[15:47] <shadowlemon> apparently
[15:47] <shadowlemon> but if you can't find on your own how irc works, then RTFM is justified
[15:47] <shadowlemon> if you are an IT'er
[15:48] <holstein> some of the particulars can be challening
[15:48] <holstein> registering nicks
[15:48] <holstein> passing the /commands
[15:49] <holstein> but, just getting in an ubuntu support channel is usually pretty simple
[15:49] <holstein> and from there, you should be able to sort it out
[15:49] <holstein> assuming you read topics and RTFM ;)
[15:49] <holstein> which some dont...
[15:50] <holstein> anyways, you see how simple my config is shadowlemon
[15:50] <holstein> im not sure what could be going on there
[15:50] <shadowlemon> true but
[15:51] <shadowlemon> all they had to do is open xchat, and join the channel. no fancy stuff :p
[15:51] <shadowlemon> anyways
[15:51] <holstein> when i first joined
[15:51] <holstein> i installed xchat
[15:51] <holstein> and when i started it
[15:51] <shadowlemon> ip changed from 178.84.178.230 to 178.84.178.236
[15:51] <holstein> it auto-joined something
[15:51] <holstein> maybe #ubuntu ?
[15:51] <holstein> some ubuntu channel
[15:52] <holstein> shadowlemon: what is giving you that IP ?
[15:52] <holstein> is this a router on your home network?
[15:52] <shadowlemon> it's in a school network, which i  fear might be the problem
[15:52] <holstein> yeah
[15:52] <holstein> thats my vote
[15:53] <shadowlemon> however, i should have enough power to set a static ip
[15:53] <holstein> depends though
[15:53] <holstein> are you sure its a free address?
[15:53] <holstein> and whats assigning them...
[15:53] <holstein> i would say thats plausible
[15:53] <holstein> thats literally all i did on my end
[15:54] <holstein> but, thats my router and all other equipment
[15:54] <holstein> i suppose, to troubleshoot
[15:54] <holstein> if you have a router
[15:54] <holstein> you could temporarily set up a little network
[15:54] <holstein> and check that the machine gets and keeps a static IP
[15:55] <holstein> then, you can stop fiddling around where you are
[15:55] <holstein> and move onto the other services
[15:56] <shadowlemon> hmm
[15:56] <shadowlemon> i compared the config
[15:56] <shadowlemon> it's the same except that i have a broadcast field too
[15:56] <shadowlemon> but idk if it's neccessary
[15:56]  * holstein shrugs
[15:56] <holstein> comment it out
[15:56] <holstein> and try
[15:57] <holstein> as long as you have physical access still
[15:57] <holstein> and dont get stuck with a headless box you cant get to
[16:02] <shadowlemon> we still have access, i commented it out
[16:02] <shadowlemon> i guess there's nothing ic an do atm
[16:02] <shadowlemon> anyways holstein, thanks for your help/assistance
[16:02] <shadowlemon> I very much appreciate it
[16:03] <holstein> yeah, i say its on the network side
[16:03] <holstein> im sure you'll sort it out though
[16:04] <holstein> shadowlemon: good luck
[16:45] <HillBillyRock> Does anyone know of a program for making and printing cd labels and covers please
[16:46] <holstein> i mean, you could do that with any graphics program
[16:46] <holstein> should be able to find templates around the net
[16:46] <holstein> look for one in a comfortable format for you HillBillyRock
[16:47] <holstein> you should be able to pull that off in anything from inkscape to libreoffice
[16:47] <HillBillyRock> holstein:  I've tried Koverartist but it only seems to deal with covers not labels
[16:47] <holstein> *in theory
[16:47] <holstein> the gimp is popular
[16:47] <holstein> i would look for a gimp template
[16:47] <HillBillyRock> Ok. Thanks. I have that
[16:47] <holstein> and the gimp supports a lot of formats too
[16:47] <holstein> might be a little overkill
[16:47] <holstein> but, you can literally do anything with it
[16:48] <holstein> design-wise
[16:48] <HillBillyRock> Holstein:  Great thanks.  I'll give that a go
[16:49] <sebsebseb> hi
[16:53] <jledbetter> Hi sebsebseb
[16:53] <stlsaint> heyo
[16:54] <sebsebseb> jledbetter: stlsaint hi
[16:54] <stlsaint> sebsebseb: sup sup
[16:55] <sebsebseb> stlsaint: not much, going to do some stuff on the computer
[17:33] <IdleOne> cprofitt: thanks for the radio stations :)
[18:08] <eiriksvin>  is there a way to get tranparent windows in Natty? i want to be able to see through any windows  i have up
[18:09] <holstein> eiriksvin: i would probably start in classic mode
[18:09] <holstein> and mess with the compiz settings
[18:10] <bioterror> I would avoind that kind of candy, might first look good but after a while you will notice it just annoys you ;)
[18:10] <eiriksvin> i have, but compiz dont keep the settings going into natty
[18:10] <holstein> eiriksvin: alt+scroll-down seems to be a way to do it on-the-fly
[18:10] <holstein> bioterror: agreed :)
[18:11] <eiriksvin> i want the see through, its how i had my Maverick set up
[18:11] <holstein> right
[18:11] <holstein> eiriksvin: try doing what you did in maverick
[18:11] <holstein> in the classic mode
[18:13] <eiriksvin> hmm, my goal is to get empathy, file browser and whatnot to run Transparent all the time
[18:14] <eiriksvin> how do i get and send jabber msgs?
[18:14] <eiriksvin> i have jabber set up, but i only see empathy doing facebook
[18:16] <holstein> maybe http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/IRC
[18:18] <eiriksvin> holstein do you have jabber set up through empathy?
[18:19] <eiriksvin> bioterror im just trying to get the most out of my Overglossed theme
[18:20] <eiriksvin> i just cant find the cool white sensor bar he has
[18:21] <holstein> i dont use jabber or empathy
[18:21] <holstein> i use tweetdeck sometimes
[18:21] <holstein> and for irc, i use irssi in screen
[18:24] <eiriksvin> does someone have jabber set up through empathy that can send me a message?
[18:25] <eiriksvin> yeah, i was thinking about that, but it seems to conflict with the Unity plugin somehow
[18:26] <holstein> i would say someone in the IRC channel i linked might eiriksvin
[18:33] <eiriksvin> how do i stop  the stuff from disappearing on the top bar in natty?  like in xchat how XChat   View   Sever   Settings   Window   Help       all disappear when i move the mouse away from it
[18:33] <eiriksvin> thanks
 ur still one of the best helpers here:)
[18:34] <tep> I'd like to know that too :)  I don't understand why they chose to hide menus like that.
[18:34] <eiriksvin> silly huh:)
[18:35] <tep> baffles me hehe
[18:36] <eiriksvin> thats like the huge question of, why didnt they let you choose where to put the luancher, and be able to move it on a drag or something
[18:36] <eiriksvin> i would love it to be on the bottom of my screen, sending all the menus up and out toward the right:)
[18:37] <tep> I don't mind it on the left actually but yeah, it should be movable.
[18:37] <eiriksvin> or maybe to the left... or maybe put it on the right side and everything goes to the left:)
[18:38] <eiriksvin> maybe they should have made a button to shrink it instead of either makeing it stay or letting it slide away
[18:39] <tep> I also wish that you can hover over the icon to show all the open windows...like in WIndows 7
[18:40] <eiriksvin> i would love to be able to make it a circle, i could click with one click and it would blow up in the center of my screen, then select my choices from a set of concentric rings that hid other rings as i progress deeper into them
[18:41] <eiriksvin> sliding through the whole way
[18:41] <eiriksvin> but menus pop out along the circle
[18:42] <eiriksvin> now that would be awesome, with the little foot in the middle
[18:42] <eiriksvin> oops off topic... sorry
[18:44] <eiriksvin> we should give linux that customizable feel, i know thats what drew me into Maverick
[18:44] <eiriksvin> thinking i might go back
[18:45] <holstein> thanks eiriksvin :)
[18:46] <eiriksvin> ur welcome:)
[18:46] <holstein> personally, im still running lucid 10.04 on most everything i have
[18:46] <holstein> but, id say, if you can give it some time
[18:46] <holstein> *11.04/unity
[18:46] <eiriksvin> send my a screenshot?
[18:46] <holstein> like a week or so
[18:46] <holstein> you might get used to the new direction
[18:47] <holstein> i would run 11.04 on my netbook with unity
[18:47] <eiriksvin> i like it, but i wish it were more open to customization, i want that glowing windows back:(
[18:47] <holstein> and live in it for a while
[18:47] <holstein> but, there seems to be a bug with my wifi
[18:47] <holstein> and i havent had time to track that down
[18:47] <holstein> i tend to look before i leap :)
[18:48] <holstein> eiriksvin: you can always run whatever DE you wish
[18:48] <eiriksvin> ?
[18:48] <holstein> maybe XFCE would be more like what you are used to
[18:48] <holstein> theres classic mode
[18:48] <holstein> and gnome3
[18:48] <holstein> all kinds of options right now
[18:48] <holstein> but, the idea of unity is quite well thought out
[18:49] <holstein> im still not sure its right for my workflow either though
[18:49] <eiriksvin> yeah, i have read about them, but i like unity, just want the pretty eye candy
[18:49] <holstein> its still early
[18:50] <eiriksvin> this is 2011, we should be able to have our cake, and eat it too:)
[18:50] <holstein> im sure there will be some customization happening soon
[18:50] <holstein> eiriksvin: hehe
[18:50] <eiriksvin> heh
[18:52] <eiriksvin> where are the sounds located?
[18:52] <eiriksvin> i want to set up my Beep
[18:52] <eiriksvin> um, notify
[18:53] <holstein>  /usr/share/sounds ?
[18:53] <eiriksvin> looking
[18:57] <eiriksvin> can you type my name?
[19:00] <holstein> eiriksvin:
[19:00] <holstein> eiriksvin:
[19:00] <holstein> eiriksvin
[19:00] <eiriksvin> heh
[19:01] <holstein> its good?
[19:01] <eiriksvin> thanks:)
[19:01] <eiriksvin> yeppers!
[19:01] <holstein> cool :)
[19:01] <holstein> alright.. im out for a bit... laterx
[19:01] <eiriksvin> i cant seem to use .ogg?
[19:01] <eiriksvin> they all sound staticky
[19:01] <eiriksvin> but .wav works fine:)
[19:01] <holstein> yeah, i wouldnt lose sleep over it
[19:02] <holstein> you can always convert an ogg to wav if you want
[19:02] <holstein> as a work-around
[19:02] <holstein> and sudo cp it in that /dir
[19:02] <holstein> it would be nice to track that down though
[19:02] <holstein> and have a proper bug report about it is suppose
[19:02] <holstein> if you feel brave enough to take that on :)
[19:02] <holstein> anyways... BBL
[19:45] <mang0> hey guys!
[19:45] <mang0> Hey guys, I'm having trouble installing Ubuntu. This is my problem: http://www.pasteall.org/21230/text . Please PM (/query mang0) cos I will be afk. Thanks!
[19:45] <mang0> (c&p from #ubuntu lol)
[20:11] <holstein> mang0: hey
[20:11] <kristian_> hi all
[20:11] <kristian_> hurm, I have an installation on a hdd that my bios won't see
[20:12] <kristian_> there's another hdd in the box, which bios *will* see... it's blanked by DBAN
[20:12] <kristian_> what to do?
[20:13] <holstein> mang0: ubuntu has no issues with broadcom chips
[20:13] <holstein> broadcom didnt used to suply information for drivers to be written*
[20:13] <holstein> that has changed
[20:13] <holstein> mang0: i would try and take the path of least resistance and plug it in
[20:13] <mang0> O.O
 mang0: ubuntu has no issues with broadcom chips
[20:14] <holstein> you can work around that though i you wish
[20:14] <mang0> since when?!
[20:14] <holstein> mang0: right
[20:14] <holstein> since forever
[20:14] <mang0> orly? I was told differantly...
[20:14] <holstein> ubuntu would have no issue supporting any vendors devices that its allowed to support
[20:14] <mang0> what do you mean the path of least resistance?
[20:14] <holstein> mang0: its a matter of wording*
[20:14] <mang0> holstein> mang0: i would try and take the path of least resistance and plug it in
[20:15] <holstein> and i wanted to be clear
[20:15]  * mang0 confused face
[20:15] <holstein> that its not ubuntu's issue
[20:15] <holstein> with broadcom
[20:15] <holstein> it was the other way around
[20:15] <holstein> BUT
[20:15] <holstein> that has changed recently
[20:15] <mang0> AAAAhhhhaa! I getcha now
[20:15] <mang0> what version?
[20:15] <holstein> and we are all glad about that
[20:15] <mang0> (of ubuntu, do I need)
[20:15] <mang0> I have the liveCD of 10.10...
[20:15] <holstein> right
[20:15] <holstein> thats fine
[20:15] <holstein> thats up to you to decide
[20:15] <attackulz> holstein I need your almighty wisdom.
[20:15] <mang0> why is it not connecting then?
[20:16] <holstein> attackulz: ;)
[20:16] <attackulz> but finsih your conversation.
[20:16] <holstein> mang0: you should be able to install without have the internet connected
[20:16] <mang0> Hmmm
[20:16] <mang0> okay
[20:16] <mang0> well then the only problem
[20:16] <holstein> and then, plug it up real quick and get the broadcom driver
[20:16] <holstein> OR
[20:16] <holstein> you could do that
[20:16] <holstein> from the live CD
[20:16] <holstein> plug it in real quick
[20:16] <mang0> is that it won't mount my drives
[20:16] <holstein> get the broadcom driver
[20:16] <holstein> and install
[20:17] <holstein> mang0: im not sure about the drive issues
[20:17] <holstein> i would want to test them
[20:17] <mang0> :S
[20:17] <holstein> and i would probably just format them
[20:17] <holstein> BUT
[20:17] <holstein> i have a lot of drives laying around for testing purposes
[20:17] <mang0> talking in #ubuntu someone said (ages ago) that it was my sata-raid controller
[20:17] <mang0> but I d k what to do about it
[20:18] <holstein> kristian_: i had a bad IDE cable that 'acted' like that once
[20:18] <mang0> wait, brb in 5 mins, you can talk to attackulz for a bit
[20:18] <mang0> he/she wanted your help
[20:18] <mang0> I think
[20:18] <holstein> mang0: thats plausible
[20:18] <holstein> mang0: try the alternate installer :)
[20:18] <mang0> :)
[20:18] <mang0> okay
[20:18] <holstein> attackulz: whats up?
[20:19] <attackulz> flash is all messy. colors all messed and it only loads half of the loadable portion
[20:19] <attackulz> all updates are good\
[20:19] <attackulz> tried reinstall\
[20:19] <attackulz> tried every googled solution
[20:19] <holstein> attackulz: what about the graphics?
[20:20] <holstein> what graphics device?
[20:20] <attackulz> what about them
[20:20] <attackulz> oh
[20:20] <attackulz> well
[20:20] <attackulz> it is an older computer.
[20:20] <attackulz> but it plays dvds fine
[20:20] <attackulz> didnt figure it would be something of that nature.
[20:21] <kristian_> hi holstein
[20:21] <holstein> kristian_: o/
[20:21] <kristian_> hurm... now the sata is seen
[20:21] <attackulz> and when I had xp on this computer youtube ect. worked
[20:21] <kristian_> lesson learned: avoid discount hardware
[20:21] <holstein> yeah, but that supports the graphics driver issue attackulz
[20:21] <holstein> kristian_: lol
[20:22] <attackulz> everything else workes fine graphic wise on the computer
[20:22] <attackulz> accept for modern flash applicacions
[20:23] <holstein> attackulz: do me a favor...
[20:23] <holstein> try the opera browser
[20:23] <holstein> if you dont mind installing it..
[20:23] <attackulz> ok\
[20:23] <holstein> http://www.opera.com/
[20:24] <holstein> i find it lighter than most in linux anyways
[20:24] <holstein> *although i personally use chromium-browser
[20:24] <bioterror> opera is horrible
[20:24] <attackulz> I hate opera
[20:24] <bioterror> if you go to facebook, it will eat lots of CPU
[20:24] <holstein> bioterror: it seems to do flash differently though
[20:24] <attackulz> I use google crome now
[20:24] <bioterror> chromium <3
[20:24] <holstein> i thought it might be a decent troubleshooting step
[20:24] <attackulz> ill download chromium and opera and try
[20:25] <holstein> attackulz: midori too
[20:26]  * holstein gotta run again
[20:26] <holstein> attackulz: im not exactly sure what that will tell us
[20:26] <holstein> how flash responds in opera
[20:27] <holstein> BBL..
[22:06] <Xylch> How do I change the Unity appmenu close/min/max to my themes default?
[22:07] <holstein> Xylch: you changed the theme?
[22:07] <holstein> and it had no effect?
[22:10] <tepster> this natty release stilll has issue with changing cursors...arg
[22:10] <Xylch> Yea, I am using a different theme than one that came with natty, and it is displaying like placeholder buttons in the appmenu
[22:11] <Xylch> they appear fine on the actual window when not maximized
[22:12] <holstein> Xylch: that might just be a feature of unity*
[22:12] <holstein> im sure there will be more customization options on the way soon
[23:06] <Froq__> does anyone know why VNC in 11.04 is so bad?
[23:11] <UndiFineD> Froq__,  i think that is unity 2d vs unity 3d on the desktop
[23:11] <UndiFineD> but i am just guessing here
[23:12] <Froq__> UndiFineD: what do you mean?  So how can I improve it?  I didn't realize there was a 2d v. 3d difference...  how do I know which dimension I am in?
[23:14] <UndiFineD> directly on the desktop you'd work in 3d, but over vnc that transports blocks of the parts of your screen, you would be working in 2d
[23:14] <Froq__> UndiFineD: appreciate your guess. it is better than mine!
[23:14] <Froq__> UndiFineD: so would that result in uber slow, never refreshing connections or justa  difference in appearance?
[23:15] <UndiFineD> there are differences we encounter in accessibility here
[23:15] <UndiFineD> vnc transports small blocks of bitmaps, of vncserver rendered screen
[23:16] <Froq__> o got ya.  well I guess I will be patient and wait for it to be fixed/ improved upon... I just use VNC over SSH so much...
[23:17] <UndiFineD> these block often fit within a tcp frame
[23:17] <Froq__> ok, so do they not fit in the tcp frame now?
[23:17] <UndiFineD> and in the past with slower network connections you could actually see it being build up and where the frame did not fit the tcp frame
[23:18] <UndiFineD> they fixed that mostly
[23:26] <Froq__> UndiFineD: so if they have been able to make the pixel changes always fit the TCP frame, why is it never refreshing as I move my mouse over the frame?
[23:28] <UndiFineD> hmmm, I am thinking you might need to grow the width of the side panel
[23:28] <UndiFineD> but that too is just a guess
[23:29] <UndiFineD> and the ugly look comes from loosing bits in the vnc protocol, normally 24 bits make up the color and location of a pixel
[23:29] <UndiFineD> but here they need to compress for speed, so they fit it in less
[23:30] <UndiFineD> loosing color distinctions
[23:30] <Froq__> http://askubuntu.com/questions/39472/how-do-i-turn-off-effects-so-vnc-can-paint-properly
[23:31] <Froq__> Now that looks interesting... appears that Unity is just a cover for Compiz... is that true!
[23:31] <UndiFineD> that is true
[23:33] <Froq__> so if I desire VNC, I need to disable Unity... interesting...
[23:40] <UndiFineD> there are others like vnc
[23:40] <UndiFineD> !vnc
[23:40] <ubot2> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[23:41] <UndiFineD> I think they also used something like this to do a web evaluation of natty
[23:42] <Froq__> UndiFineD: yea, I think I might just go with Gnome 3... looking @ it... it is very appealing!
[23:43] <Froq__> a web evalution?  what does that mean/>'
[23:43] <UndiFineD> well I have issues with both unity and gnome3, they do not seem to be as productive as my current 10.10 desktop
[23:44] <UndiFineD> http://try-ubuntu-beta.ec42.net/
[23:44] <UndiFineD> :/
[23:44] <Froq__> UndiFineD: o man, you are still rocking 10.10... I think I should have stayed with 10.04... but Unity looked so nice! :)
[23:45] <UndiFineD> my current desktop looks like this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/desktop/Screenshot-15.png
[23:45] <Froq__> Wow!  That try-ubuntu idea is freaking sweet!  have a few VMs running and allow VNC over port 5800?!
[23:47] <Froq__> UndiFineD: kinda gray and boring :)
[23:47] <Froq__> haha, but more functional than unity! lol
[23:47] <UndiFineD> I change a lot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/desktop/Screenshot-1.png
[23:48] <Froq__> UndiFineD: you just did that... right?  b/c I saw that Desktop a few days ago
[23:48] <UndiFineD> that was my winter theme
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> That's an old screen :D
[23:49] <MrChrisDruif> 25th of December, woow
[23:50] <Froq__> well peace guys gotat study