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LieraGood afternoon everyone!08:00
bullgard4Where can I find the logs of yesterday's classes?08:00
nigelbhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/02/08:01
nigelblook for #ubuntu-classroom in there08:01
bullgard4nigelb: Thank you very much for your help.08:06
nigelb:)08:08
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ClassBotLogs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.15:02
dpmhello everyone!15:03
dpmWelcome to the first session on the second day of Ubuntu Open Week15:04
dpmlet's wait for a couple of minutes for people to come in...15:04
dpmwe're going to talk about something very exciting today: Ubuntu translations15:05
dpmI've reserved some time at the end of the session for questions,15:05
dpmbut if you've got any question during the session, please feel free to ask15:06
dpmjust prepend it with QUESTION: and post it on the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel15:06
dpmso let's start with presentations first ;)15:07
dpmMy name is David Planella, and I work as the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator at Canonical, in the Community team15:07
dpmthere I have the pleasure to work with Ubuntu legends such as Jorge Castro, Daniel Holbach, Ahmed Kamal and least but not last our fearless leader, Jono Bacon.15:07
dpmand also very importantly, I get to work with the not less legendary Ubuntu translation teams15:08
dpmSo be very welcome to this session on Ubuntu Translations, where we'll see15:09
dpmhow Ubuntu can be translated into almost any language,15:09
dpmthe work of our awesome translation teams,15:09
dpmhow Launchpad can be used to translate Ubuntu in a distributed manner,15:09
dpmand how to get started translating Ubuntu15:10
dpmYou can also follow this presentation through the slides at:15:10
dpmhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/Presentations/UOW-Ubuntu-Translations.pdf15:10
dpmSo, without further ado...15:10
dpmBenvinguts, Willkommen, Bienvenidos, ようこそ, Welcome, 환영합니다, Bem-vindo, Ongietorri, স্বাগতম, Welkom, Mirë se erdhët, Bienllegáu, እንኳን ደህና መጡ, Вітаем, مرحبا, Dobro došli, Donedigezh vat, Добре дошли, 歡迎, Dobrodošli, 欢迎, Velkommen, Welkom, Bonvenon, Tere tulemast, Tervetuloa, Bienvenue, Wolkom, Benvido, Καλώς ήρθατε, ברוכים הבאים, Üdvözöljük, Ve15:10
dpmlkomin, Selamat Datang, Benvenuti, ಸುಸ್ವಾಗತ, Witôj, Қош келдіңіз, Esiet sveicināti, Sveiki, Selamat Datang, स्वागतम्, Velkomen, Benvenguda, Witamy, Bun venit, Добро пожаловать, Добродошли, Vitajte, Välkommen, நல்வரவு, ยินดีต้อนรับ, Hoşgeldiniz, Ласкаво просимо, خوش آمدید, Chào mừng, مەرھابا !!!15:10
dpm(if I've forgotten to welcome in your language, do write a big "welcome" in #ubuntu-classroom chat, and I'll include it here too :)15:10
dpmUbuntu has a very diverse community, and one of the aspects this diversity is directly reflected is in the number of languages it is translated into, and the communities built around them.15:12
dpm"Every computer user should be able to use their software in the language of their choice" lies at the very core of the Ubuntu philosophy15:13
dpmhttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy15:14
dpmwhich is why we encourage the creation of translation communities and provide them resources to ease the process of translation into their own language15:14
dpmso that anyone, without requiring advanced technical skills, can start contributing from day one.15:14
dpmSo let's try to answer some basic questions...15:15
dpmoh, I meant I was going to answer some questions, but we've got one already from the audience :)15:16
ClassBotbullgard4 asked: Into how many languages is Ubuntu translated?15:16
dpmUbuntu is fully translated into 43 languages. However, there are many, many more in which the translation can be considered good. Here you can see the detailed statistics:15:17
dpmhttp://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html15:17
dpmso hopefully this session will help you guys make that list grow ;)15:18
dpmanyway, back to talking about basic questions:15:18
dpm======================15:18
dpmWho translates Ubuntu?15:18
dpm======================15:18
dpmThat's an easy one: Ubuntu Translators.15:18
dpmThey are volunteers who organise themselves in translation teams, appointed to be responsible for the translation of a given language.15:19
dpmAnd they just rock15:19
dpmYou can see the full list of Ubuntu translation teams here:15:19
dpmhttps://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators15:19
dpmWe've currently got about 150, of about 220 registered languages for Ubuntu in Launchpad, our online translation tool15:20
dpmSo if there isn't an Ubuntu translation team for your language, now is the chance to create one :)15:20
dpmBut more on that later15:20
dpmAlso very important to mention is the work of upstream translators, whose effort Ubuntu benefits greatly from.15:20
dpmUbuntu includes the best-of-breed Open Source software of the many independent projects available, which is what we call upstream.15:21
dpmTranslations are no exception, and if these upstream projects are translated outside of Ubuntu, we import and use the awesome work of upstream translators15:21
dpmLet's see some numbers about our amazing translations community:15:22
dpmnearly 18.000 translators who've submitted at least one translation,15:22
dpmcoming from more than 240 countries.15:22
dpmA default Ubuntu installation contains about 160.000 translatable messages,15:22
dpmwhich can go up to 475.000 when adding applications not installed by default such as GIMP, Inkscape, etc.15:23
dpmAnd here's an overview of how well translated Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) is in each language:15:23
dpm  http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html15:23
dpmsame link as before15:24
dpmSo you see that there's a lot of work to do, and _you_ can help in making Ubuntu better supported in your language.15:24
dpmLet's see how...15:24
dpm=========================15:24
dpmHow is Ubuntu translated?15:24
dpm=========================15:24
dpmWe use our very own translations tool: Launchpad Translations15:24
dpmLaunchpad Translations allows you to easily translate projects online15:25
dpmand seamlessly build and organise translation communities around them.15:25
dpmIt also allows translating Operating Systems, Ubuntu being the most evident example.15:25
dpmYou can start translating Ubuntu here:15:25
dpm    https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu15:25
dpmThere you'll see a list of translatable applications and documentation, ordered by priority and ready to translate15:26
dpmTake some time to look at the list, I'm sure this will bring questions later on :-)15:26
dpmAlternatively, you can go directly to translatable applications in Launchpad from your desktop.15:27
dpmIf you've been following the slides, you'll see how to do it on slide #615:27
dpmIf you open an application and go to Help > Translate this application...,15:27
dpmyour browser will be started and it will take you to the Launchpad Translations page for that application.15:28
dpmWhich is pretty neat15:28
dpmYou can try this: open Gedit, go to "Help > Translate this application..." and see it for yourself.15:28
dpmOn the browser window that opens you can start submitting translation suggestions from day one.15:28
dpmThis will take you to the translation page in your preferred language15:28
dpmwhich you can then click on and you'll see the list of translatable applications15:29
dpmyour language in Launchpad15:29
dpm*for your language in Launchpad15:29
dpmusing the standard translations terminology, these are called 'translation templates', or just 'templates'15:30
dpmand are the translatable units translators work with15:30
dpmI'd really recommend you to try to using Launchpad for online translation15:30
dpmit is really easy and flexible15:30
dpmand it allows saving your work, even before it is reviewed, facilitating the QA work15:31
dpmthat said, if you prefer translating offline, Launchpad Translations is flexible enough to let you download PO files (text files used for translations)15:31
dpmto be used in offline translation tools15:31
dpmbut that's material for another presentation15:31
dpmLet's move on...15:31
dpm=====================15:32
dpmHow can I contribute?15:32
dpm=====================15:32
dpmAs in any Open Source project, communication is key for collaboration.15:33
dpmand translations are no different15:33
dpmWhile everyone can submit translation suggestions in Launchpad,15:33
dpm(well, everyone with a Launchpad account)15:34
dpmWe do not only want to provide the best translated OS, but also the best quality of translations.15:34
dpmSo we also encourage translation teams to communicate through any means appropriate15:34
dpmmost teams use a mailing list15:34
dpmbut others also forums, IRC, etc.15:34
dpmand most of them have also got a wiki page in the Ubuntu namespace15:35
dpmwhere they coordinate their work15:35
dpmjust as an example:15:35
dpmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCatalanTranslators15:35
dpmWith all that I mean that while the first step in contributing is to submit translation suggestions,15:36
dpmat https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/15:36
dpmthe next step in contributing to Ubuntu Translations is to get in touch with the translation team for your language,15:37
dpmand tell them you'd like to contribute.15:37
dpmIt's easy: you can just find them on15:38
dpm    https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators15:38
dpmOn that page, you can just click on the links under the "Team/Supervisor" column and they will take you to the Launchpad page for the team15:38
dpmYou see that finding the language is quite simple, it's on the column on the left15:39
dpmand most translation teams are named15:39
dpm"Ubuntu <language> translators"15:39
dpmwhere <language> is the name of the language they translate into15:39
dpmon their Launchpad page you'll find all the info you'll need to get in touch with them15:39
dpmAs an example:15:40
dpmhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-it15:40
dpmIf there isn't a team for your language yet, you should definitely start one15:40
dpmYou can do it by following these simple steps:15:40
dpm    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam15:40
dpmit is a one-off step, which shouldn't take long15:40
dpmand after the new team has been appointed, you can start translating in Launchpad straight away15:41
dpmIf that step gets too technical for you, do not worry15:41
dpmYou can always get in touch with the global translations community and ask for help or advice, which is always a good idea15:41
dpmAlso if you want to start any discussion on Ubuntu Translations15:41
dpmIn true Ubuntu spirit, everyone is welcome there, and you'll get to know lots of interesting people from all over the globe :)15:41
dpmHere's how to get in touch with the global translations community:15:41
dpm    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact15:42
dpmAnd while you have a look at that, we'll enter the last part of this session15:42
dpm===15:42
dpmQ&A15:42
dpm===15:42
dpmSo I hope that that gave you a taste of how translation works in Ubuntu and how you can join our awesome translators.15:43
dpmNow feel free to ask any questions about anything related to translations.15:43
dpmBring them on! ;-)15:43
ClassBotbrousch asked: Is a presentation about offline translations and .po files scheduled? If so, when will it be?15:43
dpmI don't have any planned right now, but it might be a good idea. However, I'd very much recommend to translate online to get your translations accepted straight away without having to wait15:44
dpmThat said, if you've got any questions about offline translation15:44
dpmI'll be happy to answer them here :)15:45
ClassBotbrousch asked: How do you recruit translators?15:47
dpmthat's actually a very good question15:47
dpmit really depends on the translation team and how it works15:47
dpmbut there are a few best practice tips that can be helpful for recruiting new contributors for your language:15:48
dpm* create a dedicated translation team in your loco15:48
dpm* set up a mailing list or another channel for communication15:48
dpm* set up translation goals for the team15:49
dpm* keep the communication flowing15:49
dpm* organize translation events: a good idea is to organize translation jams during the Ubuntu Global Jam15:49
dpmthey are extremely helpful to meet new people and mentor them on how to start translating Ubuntu15:50
dpm* promote your translation effort: encourage people to participate by blogging and communicating about it15:51
dpm* Organize regular IRC translation jams or meetings with your team15:51
dpmThese are just a few that come to mind, which can be helpful in keeping a healthy translation team15:51
ClassBotkkitano asked: Are the majority of ubuntu translators translating into their native languages, or is there also a mix of translators who are not native speakers but are fluent in another language or who have studied it?15:52
ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.15:52
dpmMost of the Ubuntu translators I know are native speakers, but I also know of cases of non-native speakers that are part of a translation team. In the latter case, though, they need to be very fluent in the language15:53
ClassBotuuser2233 asked: Is there any particular reason as to why there is one language package for all software preinstalled on ubuntu and not seperate ones like for the rest?15:53
dpmin fact, there are at least 3 language packs for each language (base, kde and gnome), but let me answer the question without entering into much detail:15:54
dpmhaving separate language packs from the main applications15:55
dpmallow us to do something unique amongst Linux distros: deliver regular updates of translations that can be kept separate of applications15:55
dpmThis makes it much easier to provide frequent translation updates without having to reupload a big number of packages, with all the overhead that this would involve15:56
ClassBotjibel asked: What's the process if, as a user, I find an error with a translation for my language.15:56
dpmexcellent question :)15:56
dpmYou can do either of these:15:57
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.15:57
dpma) Directly contact the translation team for the language and give them a heads up so that they can fix it.15:57
dpm(You can find the contact data for all teams at https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators, as mentioned earlier)15:57
dpmor15:57
dpmb) You can file a bug against the ubuntu-translations project,15:58
dpmhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+filebug/15:58
dpmThere we'll assign it to the right translation team,15:58
dpmwho'll be notified about it and be able to fix it in Launchpad15:59
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dpmMembers of the bugsquad can easily assign the bug to the corresponding ubuntu-l10n-<language> team too15:59
dpmOk, so no more time left16:00
dpmthanks a lot for your participation16:00
dpmyour excellent questions, and see you on the next Ubuntu Open Week!16:00
dpmI'll now leave you in the expert hands of xdatap and Having Fun With Ubuntu Testing.16:01
xdatapdpm, Thank you very much David :)16:01
xdatapHi everybody, thanks for coming!16:02
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xdatapMy name is Paolo Sammicheli, I'm an Ubuntu member from the Italian LoCo Team, and today we'll talk about ISO Testing.16:02
xdatapLet's start with the most important question:16:03
xdatapWhy should one try to test Ubuntu?16:03
xdatapBecause it's fun!16:03
xdatapbecause it's a valuable contribution to Ubuntu16:03
xdatapand because you will learn a lot of things :)16:03
xdatapLet's see, now, how to test Ubuntu!16:04
xdatapYou might already know that Ubuntu has a 6-month release cycle, which means that every 6 months we have a new Ubuntu release.16:04
xdatapLess known is the fact that, before the final release, several development releases are launched: ALPHAs and BETAs.16:05
xdatapEvery cycle slightly changes his schedule, due several reason, but it's published since the beginning in a wiki page, so that everybody can be aware about what's going on.16:05
xdatapYou can see the Natty schedule on the following link:16:06
xdataphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule16:06
xdatapFor all these releases, we have several kind of tests.16:06
xdatapThe ISO Test is a test performed few days before the milestone release on the big files you use to burn an Ubuntu CD (called ISO Images),16:07
xdatapin which we want to be sure that the installer works properly and the live version starts correctly.16:07
xdatapWe also test the upgrade process and the installation from windows with Wubi.16:07
xdatapThe tool for reporting this kind of test is called ISO Tracker and it's available on the following link:16:08
xdataphttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com16:08
xdatap(go take a look at it, I will wait 2 minutes)16:08
xdatapAs you can see last week we were testing Natty final release in all the officially supported flavors.16:10
xdatapFor each flavor you can find several test case.16:10
xdatapA test case is a list of actions to perform in order to complete the test.16:11
xdatapOften you can find bugs which does NOT make FAIL your test, but it's useful that you report it on launchpad and you include their IDs in the test report.16:12
xdatapYou can see how to report a test on the following link:16:13
xdataphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures16:13
xdatapAs described on the page above, filling your account on the ISO Tracker with your email and selecting the Email notification flag you will get an email each time there's a new image available for tests.16:14
xdatapYou can choose which test case you want to test in which image so the email will contain the direct links for the test.16:15
xdatapTo avoid to download the image every time I recommend to use zsync or rsync, as described on the following link:16:16
xdataphttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage16:16
xdatapISO Testing it's not the only test we perform over the CD Images.16:17
xdatapWe have also different test programs like Laptop, Video Drivers, Desktop, etc.16:17
xdatapprimes2h, who just entered in the channel is the rockstar who wrote the patches for the Laptop Tracker. He's another member of the Italian LoCo Team, :)16:18
xdatapWhat's the difference between these programs? Basically it changes WHAT we test and WHEN.16:19
xdatapOne example: Laptop testing perform tests after each Milestone release and with the previous stable releases providing testcases for the hardware compatibility:16:20
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xdataphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop16:20
xdatap(take a look to the link, I'll wait 2 minutes)16:20
xdatapXorg tested the nVidia Video Card Proprietary Drivers (almost) every week:16:22
xdataphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Natty/WeeklyProgram16:23
xdatapOnce you learn how to contribute to one program, like ISO Testing, you will be able to easily contribute to all of these tests because the tools are the same.16:23
xdatapIf you are involved in a LoCo and you're interested in ISO Testing take also a look at the LoCo Testing Team How To:16:24
xdataphttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/LoCoTeam16:24
xdatap(2 minutes for allowing you to read the link)16:25
xdatapHow it works? You can setup a team inside your LoCo, choose a test to "adopt" and then divide the effort with your team members.16:27
xdatapThe Italian experience shown that organizing this kind of activity helps in gathering new contributors and keeping them motivated.16:28
xdatapTake a look on the survey I made before last UDS in Orlando, you will find very interesting data about it:16:29
xdataphttp://xdatap1.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/italian-loco-testing-team-survey/16:30
xdatapThe Ubuntu Hall of Fame shows test results per LoCo, so it's nice to play a competition between LoCo in testing:16:31
xdataphttp://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com16:31
xdatapSo, how to start with ISO Testing?16:32
xdatapTake a look at the QA Website (http://qa.ubuntu.com)16:32
xdatapand at the Testing page:16:33
xdataphttp://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/16:33
xdatapJoin the QA Mailing List (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa)16:34
xdatapand for any question you will find us in the #ubuntu-testing IRC Channel.16:34
xdatapUbuntu Testing: Let's make this rock!16:34
xdatap:)16:34
xdatapTime for questions16:35
xdatapyou can ask questions joining the channel #ubuntu-classroom-chat and writing: "QUESTION: bla bla bla"16:37
ClassBoteffie_jayx asked: How do you manage language barrier?, if it is an issue at all...16:38
xdatapyes it's a big issue16:38
xdatapthe idea of a LoCo team comes from the idea that mentoring newcomers in their language helps a lot16:39
xdatapso, we started with the idea of a mentoring team, and then we also wanted to have a "team spirit" and we introduced the adoption16:40
xdatapreporting a bug is the biggest issue. If someone is not sure about what to write we ask to send an email in our mailing list and then we translate the description replying to the list16:41
xdatappeople who started to be more sure and expert about the test process and how to report a bug tend to overcome the language barrier, btw16:42
xdatapbut this is an issue, no doubt16:42
xdatapany other question?16:43
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ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.16:52
xdatapok, It looks like the time is over.16:55
xdatapThanks everybody for coming16:56
xdatapNext session is "Getting involved via the Beginners Team"16:56
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.16:57
xdatapjledbetter, the class is your :)16:57
jledbetterxdatap, Thank you. I'll give people a couple of more minutes till I begin. :)16:58
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jledbetterFirst, thank you everyone for joining me today!17:02
jledbetterI'm Jessica, a member of the Ubuntu Beginners Team, as well as a few other projects in Ubuntu.17:03
jledbetterIf you'd like to know more about me, here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jledbetter.17:03
jledbetterToday, I'm going to go over what the Ubuntu Beginners Team is, how it helps others, how you can help others through it, and also about its focus groups.17:04
jledbetterFeel free to ask questions at anytime by typing in #ubuntu-classroom-chat QUESTION: question.17:04
jledbetterFor example:17:05
jledbetterQUESTION: Which animal is better: Meerkat or Narwhal?17:05
jledbetter===What is the Beginners Team?===17:06
jledbetterThe Ubuntu Beginners Team exists to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users and to guide existing Ubuntu users into becoming part of the global Ubuntu community.17:06
jledbetterSo, whether you are a non-technical user or a power user, the Ubuntu community has a place where you can contribute and make a difference in Ubuntu.17:07
jledbetter===How to help===17:08
jledbetterPeople looking for help have many options, and the one that the beginners team focuses on is #ubuntu-beginners17:09
jledbetterExample questions: (none about the animal kingdom that I've seen so far)17:10
jledbetterHi, I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and my ethernet adapter is not working (the same one i'm using with windows now). It shows up in 'lshw -C network' as disabled. Any ideas?17:10
jledbetterIs it common practice to encrypt the home directory? it that what most users do?17:10
jledbetterHow do i stop Ubuntu from sleeping?17:11
jledbetterSo, pretty varied.17:11
ClassBotsebsebseb asked: Why is #ubuntu-beginners not known about by most people who go to #ubuntu wanting help?17:11
jledbetterInteresting question. As MrChrisDruif said, it's probably due to promotion. We're hoping that by doing this we'll get the word out more :)17:12
jledbetterWe also have channels that focus on certain areas of Ubuntu like #ubuntu-beginners-dev where we get questions like "could you recommend me some project or something to get more soggy about Ubuntu development?"17:14
jledbetterAnd that channel is where you'll find me answering questions more often then #ubuntu-beginners :)17:15
jledbetterWe also have team members that focus on user support on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/ and http://askubuntu.com/17:16
ClassBotsebsebseb asked: Well I didn't know about the beginners dev channel.  Also doesn't the forums have a beginners channel or something, but not run by the same team?17:17
jledbetterAnd that's why we're here to spread the word. My area is development, but there are those that love writing wikis and answering all those hard questions like wifi cards not working on a certain laptop.17:18
jledbetterYes, there are forums as well. And teams that we connect with like BugControl. There are different types of development that one can go into but #ubuntu-beginners-dev is great for generic "I wanna develop for Ubuntu" and we try to guide the person in the right direction/projects.17:19
ClassBotsebsebseb asked: Probably a bit off topic, but what kind of development do you do?17:21
jledbetterA bit but if this will help people see what we can offer: I'm a web developer. I have years of Java experience but have recently started Python/Django work -- and love it. :)17:22
jledbetterSo, basically, if you have these questions (or more), please ask us.17:23
jledbetterIf we don't know, we'll try to point you in the right direction.17:23
jledbetterAgain, the channel is #ubuntu-beginners. If you need help using IRC here is some help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/IRC17:24
jledbetterIf you would like to help answer some of these questions (and more), please join the channels and/or join the team!17:25
jledbetterFrom ubuntu-classroom-chat: duanedesign: a bit of ancient Beginners Team history. The team was actually started by a group of Ubuntu Community Forum Staff and users who answered questions in the 'Absolute Beginners' section of the forums17:25
jledbetterNow, you may be asking yourself, "How do I become a member of this amazing team?"17:26
jledbetter===How to join===17:27
jledbetterThose that are interested in joining the team go through a multi-step process.17:27
jledbetterThe first is to post one's name on the "seeking a master" (or a guide) list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership17:28
jledbetterThis way, someone from the team can help the person through the rest of the steps like setting up a wiki page and signing the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.17:29
jledbetterThe general purpose of the process is to make sure the person understands the team structure, gets set up on the various Ubuntu-related sites like Launchpad and a wiki page, and finds his or her groups to focus on.17:30
jledbetterThere is also a "mentorship" program where mentors who are more specialized in an area of Ubuntu can guide the person through that.17:31
jledbetterFor example, we have mentors in Bugs, Documentation, Accessibility, Testing, and Support.17:32
jledbetterMore information on that is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors17:32
jledbetterIf you would like to find out more about the membership process visit this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership17:33
jledbetterPlus there are a few beginners team members that are in -chat: duanedesign, MrChrisDruif, and UndiFineD :)17:34
jledbetterThere are many benefits to membership including getting to know a bunch of great people, helping out new users, and also growing/building up accomplishments.17:35
jledbetterAs mentioned before, we have various focus groups like user support, documentation, bugs, and development.17:37
jledbetter===Focus groups===17:37
jledbetterI'm going to briefly go over each so that you can see what a wide range of ways we help those that are new to Ubuntu (or those that have been using Ubuntu for a long time and are exploring new areas).17:37
jledbetterIn order to join any of these teams, one must first be an Ubuntu Beginners Team member. However, you are welcome to join the channels and ask (or answer) questions without being a member, of course.17:39
jledbetter___User Support___17:39
jledbetterThe Support Focus Group of the Ubuntu Beginners Team exists to help new users make the transition to Ubuntu.17:39
jledbetterFocus Group Members answer questions on the Ubuntu forums, irc, askubuntu.com or in-person events.17:40
jledbetterIf you find you have questions about Natty, you can ask us on #ubuntu-beginners.17:41
jledbetterFor more information on the User Support Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Support17:41
jledbetter___Documentation___17:42
jledbetterThe Documentation Focus Group is for Beginners Team Members and applicants who want to help update and maintain the documentation for Ubuntu.17:43
jledbetterThere are three main areas, the two main wikis and the system documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community - The main community wiki for help documents for Ubuntu.17:44
jledbetterhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ - This wiki is now used for organizational work, proposals and all materials not belonging to main wiki.17:45
jledbetterSystem Documentation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation) - This is the documentation that comes with Ubuntu.17:45
jledbetterFor more information on the Documentation Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs17:46
jledbetterAlso, it seems that they share cookie recipes. What a great team!17:47
jledbetter___Bugs___17:47
jledbetterThe Bugs Focus Group exists to help users become familiar with bug triage (bug squad and bug control teams), quality assurance (QA team), and testing (testing team).17:48
jledbetterThe previous session today was on testing. Very related!17:48
jledbetterBug triage is an excellent way to start helping out. You get to learn a lot about Ubuntu, its available packages, its infrastructure, and you get a feel for development.17:49
jledbetterAnd what a great time to get involved in it, too!17:49
jledbetterWe just had a release so this group can help you file bugs and -- if you want to go one step further -- help manage them with triage and start on the path to joining Bug Control (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl).17:49
jledbetterFor more information on the Bugs Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Bugs17:50
jledbetter___Development___17:50
jledbetterThe development team is here to help new users learn application design, programming concepts, get acclimated to working in a team, and contributing parts to create a whole.17:51
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jledbetterIt has also held programming classes.17:52
jledbetterThis is a really diverse group of people.17:52
jledbetter(And awesome but I may be biased, of course.)17:52
jledbetterWe have strong Python programmers and not so strong Python programmers. We have people that love packaging and those that prefer to do web development work.17:52
jledbetterIf you have questions about how to get started developing in or on Ubuntu, please join us on #ubuntu-beginners-dev.17:53
jledbetterFor more information on the Development Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development17:53
jledbetterAnd that was a brief overview of the Ubuntu Beginners Team.17:54
jledbetterWe are here to assist new users not only use Ubuntu but also to find their way into the community itself.17:54
jledbetterI hope that if you have questions about Ubuntu that you will ask us in those channels.17:55
jledbetterAlso, if you are a seasoned Ubuntu user, we'd love to have you help us help others!17:55
jledbetter===Q&A===17:56
jledbetterWe have a few minutes left in case anyone has any more questions about the team.17:56
ClassBotThere are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.17:57
jledbetterGreat! I expect to see more of you in #ubuntu-beginners and the other channels. Would love to see you join the team as well :)17:58
jledbetterLet's make Ubuntu an awesome experience for new (and upgrading) users!17:59
jledbetterSpeaking of awesome.... the next session is "u1 is awesome" by Shane Fagan17:59
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faganTesting 1,2,318:02
faganAlright so hey everybody im Shane :)18:03
faganIm going to be talking about Ubuntu one and what exactly it does and how you guys can use it. Also ill be going into some of the stuff you can look forward to18:04
faganSo you guys can ask questions in chat and ill get around to them when I can or towards the end18:04
faganOk so what exactly is Ubuntu one?18:05
faganUbuntu one is a set of services to make things easier for users mainly cloud based services18:06
faganThe cloud is a bit of a scary word but all it means is the internet really and you dont really need to go too much deeper into it18:06
faganSo what people try out first id say is the file sync which is free for 2GB of online storage18:07
faganYou can sync up your files and folders and publish them so other people can access them18:08
faganIt is currently available on Ubuntu, Windows (beta) and an Android version is on the way soon18:09
faganYou can get more storage on the website in 20GB packs18:09
faganok I see some questions18:09
faganso ill take a few now18:10
ClassBotsebsebseb asked: Ubuntu One is awesome, oh yeah really, how so?18:10
faganill get back to this one :D18:10
ClassBotjledbetter asked: How secure is my data if I sync it?18:10
faganOk this is a good question and its really understandable.18:11
faganSo the filesync and everything in Ubuntu one is very secure. It is secured by your login info but also you control the access via the web interface or the Ubuntu one control panel in natty18:12
ClassBotFabu asked: will ubuntu one get webdav support? If yes - when can we expect it?18:13
faganNo we wont be getting webdav support for a few big reasons that are pretty hard to explain but if you ask on #ubuntuone they can explain it better than me :)18:14
faganok so ill go back to it18:15
faganSo other than the filesync we have contact sync which is something I only started using this month myself18:15
faganYou can either use the plugin for evolution on your desktop or sync your contacts from your android or iPhone18:16
faganThis is particularly interesting if you are working on the go or have a few different devices18:17
faganSo I have 2 computers and an android phone and they all have the same contacts18:17
faganOk so more questions18:18
fagan:)18:18
ClassBotjorek asked: Is it possible to sync on Mac, too?18:18
faganNope but watch this space after the new version of the file sync for Windows is released18:19
faganIts something that is on the todo list for a while but we are tackling the much harder one first18:19
faganand a big shoutout to mandel who is doing the new Windows file sync at the moment18:20
ClassBotombralando asked: How do I sync a folder outside of the "Ubuntu One" folder?  Insructions online only show how to do this in nautilus, not the command-line.18:20
faganWell I dont know how to do it with the commandline myself so could you ask on #ubuntuone im sure someone can help there18:21
ClassBotombralando asked: Does contact sync work in kubuntu applications?18:21
faganWell you can use the Gnome stuff in kubuntu and im pretty sure there is a kubuntu client already18:22
faganthe good news is that the windows client is written in Qt for the user interface so there will be some improvements coming from that too probably18:22
ClassBotimgarysmith asked: What advantages (if any) has Ubuntu One contact sync got over the integrated Google contact sync on Android18:22
fagangreat question18:22
faganThe benefit is that you can do it over multiple devices18:23
faganand we are adding more as fast as we can so at the moment its just evolution in Ubuntu and there is an improved thunderbird one on the way from mozilla as well as the mobile ones18:24
faganSo we support I think the most contacts for any sync service at the moment and we aim to add more18:24
ClassBotFabu asked: will contact Sync also get google contacts support?18:24
faganWe have Google contact and facebook contact import at the moment18:25
faganOk so thats all the questions in the queue for the moment so ill keep going18:25
faganSo as part of our mobile service we have music streaming now which is very very cool18:26
faganif you havent seen it yet you just sync you .mp3 (or ogg soon for android) and automagically ubuntu one will add it to your songs on the phone18:27
faganIt is pretty cool but ill suggest having a data plan with your phone provider or using the wifi18:27
faganSo since there is no more questions ill go on to the next bit and that is some news about whats coming and what we improved upon since the last release of Ubuntu :)18:29
faganSo a big thing we added in the last release was the control panel18:29
faganSo now you can do a lot more without having to go to the Ubuntu one website18:29
faganYou can now sync specific folders from the cloud to your computer now18:30
faganThere was a lot of speed improvements and that is something we are always trying to improve upon18:31
faganSo thats what we got in the desktop for natty which is a lot18:32
faganFor 11.10 (I cant spell it :)18:32
faganIt still hasnt been decided but we will be getting some Unity stuff like possibly quicklists and lenses18:33
faganMaybe an update to the music store18:33
faganand maybe a shotwell plugin which some image publishing to the website18:34
faganThe recent release of the android client brought some playlist support18:34
faganOh and just to mention that the Windows, Android and iPhone clients dont follow the same release dates as the Ubuntu release dates18:35
faganSo if you want some of the latest news on whats coming be sure to look at the Ubuntu one blog http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/18:36
faganSo im a little bit ahead of time does anyone have any more questions?18:36
faganI still have more to cover but ill stop for a sec and take some if you guys have any :)18:37
faganOk then18:37
faganSo ill talk about what I do then :)18:38
faganIm an intern helping out here and there on the Windows client as well as doing bug reports and helping out where ever I can18:38
faganSo the new version of the Windows client is coming pretty soon and it should be as good as the one for Ubuntu18:39
faganThe current beta that is available is just a rough start so it isnt working to great for the users but the new one should be a lot more snappy18:40
faganThere isnt really much to say about it at the moment other than watch the blog and we will announce it for use when its ready which should be pretty soon18:41
faganSo still no questions?18:41
faganWell I frequently asked question I get from people is how is Ubuntu one different from dropbox18:42
faganThe simplest way to put this is that Dropbox offers file sync and so do we18:43
faganbut we offer the mobile stuff like streaming and contact syncing18:44
faganand as well as that we have a great set of services for application developers to make really neat things18:44
faganSo eventually we would love to see little applications to sync reading lists or recipies18:45
faganthe sky is the limit18:45
ClassBotjorek asked: Is it possible to release files to the public?18:46
faganjorek: could you explain what you mean?18:46
fagan(in chat)18:47
faganYou can publish your files on Ubuntu one by right clicking the file in a synced folder18:47
faganthen you can get the link by clicking the copy web link to clipboard link18:48
ClassBotjorek asked: For example if you have a file that you want to show your friends. Is it possible to simply upload it and let friends download it?18:48
faganyeah thats like I thought18:48
faganon more recent releases of Ubuntu you can publish files by right clicking in a synced folder18:49
faganand selecting publish and then copying the web link18:49
faganI think that answers it18:49
ClassBotombralando asked: Any plans for sharing photo albums online through ubuntu one?  You mentioned shotwell syncing, would this allow the creation of sharable albums?18:49
faganMaybe it hasnt been decided how this is going to be done yet18:50
faganbut it is a topic for discussion18:50
faganI would love to see a nice gallery style website flikr style18:51
* fagan cant spell today :)18:51
faganOk so any more questions we still have time left18:51
ClassBotThere are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.18:52
faganThe main thing id like to say is anything is possible in the future we are getting a lot of improvements along the way18:52
faganand we are trying to make our service the best it can be for the users18:52
faganSo that means obviously more platforms like Mac OS and improving what we have done over the past few releases of Ubuntu18:53
faganSo thats about it unless there is more questions18:54
faganOh and just a shameless plug here is the site with all the info about the service plans we have https://one.ubuntu.com/plans/18:55
faganThe mobile one is the one I like most at the moment :)18:56
faganOk thats it thanks for reading18:56
faganoh and the comments were great too18:57
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faganOh and if you have any problems or questions just ask in #ubuntuone there are people in there to help weekdays18:58
ClassBotjorek asked: Is it possible to pay with €, too?19:00
faganyes it is but the currency isnt localised yet19:00
faganSo you can pay with € you just might have to google the price for the moment. We do know that isnt too helpful but it is a known issue and will be fixed when we can do it but its slightly complciated19:02
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