[02:26] <booleanorama> hello
[08:00] <Liera> Good afternoon everyone!
[08:00] <bullgard4> Where can I find the logs of yesterday's classes?
[08:01] <nigelb> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/02/
[08:01] <nigelb> look for #ubuntu-classroom in there
[08:06] <bullgard4> nigelb: Thank you very much for your help.
[08:08] <nigelb> :)
[12:19] <der_matti> Moin
[15:02] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[15:03] <dpm> hello everyone!
[15:04] <dpm> Welcome to the first session on the second day of Ubuntu Open Week
[15:04] <dpm> let's wait for a couple of minutes for people to come in...
[15:05] <dpm> we're going to talk about something very exciting today: Ubuntu translations
[15:05] <dpm> I've reserved some time at the end of the session for questions,
[15:06] <dpm> but if you've got any question during the session, please feel free to ask
[15:06] <dpm> just prepend it with QUESTION: and post it on the #ubuntu-classroom-chat channel
[15:07] <dpm> so let's start with presentations first ;)
[15:07] <dpm> My name is David Planella, and I work as the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator at Canonical, in the Community team
[15:07] <dpm> there I have the pleasure to work with Ubuntu legends such as Jorge Castro, Daniel Holbach, Ahmed Kamal and least but not last our fearless leader, Jono Bacon.
[15:08] <dpm> and also very importantly, I get to work with the not less legendary Ubuntu translation teams
[15:09] <dpm> So be very welcome to this session on Ubuntu Translations, where we'll see
[15:09] <dpm> how Ubuntu can be translated into almost any language,
[15:09] <dpm> the work of our awesome translation teams,
[15:09] <dpm> how Launchpad can be used to translate Ubuntu in a distributed manner,
[15:10] <dpm> and how to get started translating Ubuntu
[15:10] <dpm> You can also follow this presentation through the slides at:
[15:10] <dpm> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpm/Presentations/UOW-Ubuntu-Translations.pdf
[15:10] <dpm> So, without further ado...
[15:10] <dpm> Benvinguts, Willkommen, Bienvenidos, ようこそ, Welcome, 환영합니다, Bem-vindo, Ongietorri, স্বাগতম, Welkom, Mirë se erdhët, Bienllegáu, እንኳን ደህና መጡ, Вітаем, مرحبا, Dobro došli, Donedigezh vat, Добре дошли, 歡迎, Dobrodošli, 欢迎, Velkommen, Welkom, Bonvenon, Tere tulemast, Tervetuloa, Bienvenue, Wolkom, Benvido, Καλώς ήρθατε, ברוכים הבאים, Üdvözöljük, Ve
[15:10] <dpm> lkomin, Selamat Datang, Benvenuti, ಸುಸ್ವಾಗತ, Witôj, Қош келдіңіз, Esiet sveicināti, Sveiki, Selamat Datang, स्वागतम्, Velkomen, Benvenguda, Witamy, Bun venit, Добро пожаловать, Добродошли, Vitajte, Välkommen, நல்வரவு, ยินดีต้อนรับ, Hoşgeldiniz, Ласкаво просимо, خوش آمدید, Chào mừng, مەرھابا !!!
[15:10] <dpm> (if I've forgotten to welcome in your language, do write a big "welcome" in #ubuntu-classroom chat, and I'll include it here too :)
[15:12] <dpm> Ubuntu has a very diverse community, and one of the aspects this diversity is directly reflected is in the number of languages it is translated into, and the communities built around them.
[15:13] <dpm> "Every computer user should be able to use their software in the language of their choice" lies at the very core of the Ubuntu philosophy
[15:14] <dpm> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/philosophy
[15:14] <dpm> which is why we encourage the creation of translation communities and provide them resources to ease the process of translation into their own language
[15:14] <dpm> so that anyone, without requiring advanced technical skills, can start contributing from day one.
[15:15] <dpm> So let's try to answer some basic questions...
[15:16] <dpm> oh, I meant I was going to answer some questions, but we've got one already from the audience :)
[15:16] <ClassBot> bullgard4 asked: Into how many languages is Ubuntu translated?
[15:17] <dpm> Ubuntu is fully translated into 43 languages. However, there are many, many more in which the translation can be considered good. Here you can see the detailed statistics:
[15:17] <dpm> http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html
[15:18] <dpm> so hopefully this session will help you guys make that list grow ;)
[15:18] <dpm> anyway, back to talking about basic questions:
[15:18] <dpm> [15:18] <dpm> Who translates Ubuntu?
[15:18] <dpm> [15:18] <dpm> That's an easy one: Ubuntu Translators.
[15:19] <dpm> They are volunteers who organise themselves in translation teams, appointed to be responsible for the translation of a given language.
[15:19] <dpm> And they just rock
[15:19] <dpm> You can see the full list of Ubuntu translation teams here:
[15:19] <dpm> https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[15:20] <dpm> We've currently got about 150, of about 220 registered languages for Ubuntu in Launchpad, our online translation tool
[15:20] <dpm> So if there isn't an Ubuntu translation team for your language, now is the chance to create one :)
[15:20] <dpm> But more on that later
[15:20] <dpm> Also very important to mention is the work of upstream translators, whose effort Ubuntu benefits greatly from.
[15:21] <dpm> Ubuntu includes the best-of-breed Open Source software of the many independent projects available, which is what we call upstream.
[15:21] <dpm> Translations are no exception, and if these upstream projects are translated outside of Ubuntu, we import and use the awesome work of upstream translators
[15:22] <dpm> Let's see some numbers about our amazing translations community:
[15:22] <dpm> nearly 18.000 translators who've submitted at least one translation,
[15:22] <dpm> coming from more than 240 countries.
[15:22] <dpm> A default Ubuntu installation contains about 160.000 translatable messages,
[15:23] <dpm> which can go up to 475.000 when adding applications not installed by default such as GIMP, Inkscape, etc.
[15:23] <dpm> And here's an overview of how well translated Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) is in each language:
[15:23] <dpm>   http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/stats/ubuntu-11.04-translation-stats.html
[15:24] <dpm> same link as before
[15:24] <dpm> So you see that there's a lot of work to do, and _you_ can help in making Ubuntu better supported in your language.
[15:24] <dpm> Let's see how...
[15:24] <dpm> [15:24] <dpm> How is Ubuntu translated?
[15:24] <dpm> [15:24] <dpm> We use our very own translations tool: Launchpad Translations
[15:25] <dpm> Launchpad Translations allows you to easily translate projects online
[15:25] <dpm> and seamlessly build and organise translation communities around them.
[15:25] <dpm> It also allows translating Operating Systems, Ubuntu being the most evident example.
[15:25] <dpm> You can start translating Ubuntu here:
[15:25] <dpm>     https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[15:26] <dpm> There you'll see a list of translatable applications and documentation, ordered by priority and ready to translate
[15:26] <dpm> Take some time to look at the list, I'm sure this will bring questions later on :-)
[15:27] <dpm> Alternatively, you can go directly to translatable applications in Launchpad from your desktop.
[15:27] <dpm> If you've been following the slides, you'll see how to do it on slide #6
[15:27] <dpm> If you open an application and go to Help > Translate this application...,
[15:28] <dpm> your browser will be started and it will take you to the Launchpad Translations page for that application.
[15:28] <dpm> Which is pretty neat
[15:28] <dpm> You can try this: open Gedit, go to "Help > Translate this application..." and see it for yourself.
[15:28] <dpm> On the browser window that opens you can start submitting translation suggestions from day one.
[15:28] <dpm> This will take you to the translation page in your preferred language
[15:29] <dpm> which you can then click on and you'll see the list of translatable applications
[15:29] <dpm> your language in Launchpad
[15:29] <dpm> *for your language in Launchpad
[15:30] <dpm> using the standard translations terminology, these are called 'translation templates', or just 'templates'
[15:30] <dpm> and are the translatable units translators work with
[15:30] <dpm> I'd really recommend you to try to using Launchpad for online translation
[15:30] <dpm> it is really easy and flexible
[15:31] <dpm> and it allows saving your work, even before it is reviewed, facilitating the QA work
[15:31] <dpm> that said, if you prefer translating offline, Launchpad Translations is flexible enough to let you download PO files (text files used for translations)
[15:31] <dpm> to be used in offline translation tools
[15:31] <dpm> but that's material for another presentation
[15:31] <dpm> Let's move on...
[15:32] <dpm> [15:32] <dpm> How can I contribute?
[15:32] <dpm> [15:33] <dpm> As in any Open Source project, communication is key for collaboration.
[15:33] <dpm> and translations are no different
[15:33] <dpm> While everyone can submit translation suggestions in Launchpad,
[15:34] <dpm> (well, everyone with a Launchpad account)
[15:34] <dpm> We do not only want to provide the best translated OS, but also the best quality of translations.
[15:34] <dpm> So we also encourage translation teams to communicate through any means appropriate
[15:34] <dpm> most teams use a mailing list
[15:34] <dpm> but others also forums, IRC, etc.
[15:35] <dpm> and most of them have also got a wiki page in the Ubuntu namespace
[15:35] <dpm> where they coordinate their work
[15:35] <dpm> just as an example:
[15:35] <dpm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCatalanTranslators
[15:36] <dpm> With all that I mean that while the first step in contributing is to submit translation suggestions,
[15:36] <dpm> at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[15:37] <dpm> the next step in contributing to Ubuntu Translations is to get in touch with the translation team for your language,
[15:37] <dpm> and tell them you'd like to contribute.
[15:38] <dpm> It's easy: you can just find them on
[15:38] <dpm>     https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators
[15:38] <dpm> On that page, you can just click on the links under the "Team/Supervisor" column and they will take you to the Launchpad page for the team
[15:39] <dpm> You see that finding the language is quite simple, it's on the column on the left
[15:39] <dpm> and most translation teams are named
[15:39] <dpm> "Ubuntu <language> translators"
[15:39] <dpm> where <language> is the name of the language they translate into
[15:39] <dpm> on their Launchpad page you'll find all the info you'll need to get in touch with them
[15:40] <dpm> As an example:
[15:40] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-it
[15:40] <dpm> If there isn't a team for your language yet, you should definitely start one
[15:40] <dpm> You can do it by following these simple steps:
[15:40] <dpm>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/StartingTeam
[15:40] <dpm> it is a one-off step, which shouldn't take long
[15:41] <dpm> and after the new team has been appointed, you can start translating in Launchpad straight away
[15:41] <dpm> If that step gets too technical for you, do not worry
[15:41] <dpm> You can always get in touch with the global translations community and ask for help or advice, which is always a good idea
[15:41] <dpm> Also if you want to start any discussion on Ubuntu Translations
[15:41] <dpm> In true Ubuntu spirit, everyone is welcome there, and you'll get to know lots of interesting people from all over the globe :)
[15:41] <dpm> Here's how to get in touch with the global translations community:
[15:42] <dpm>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact
[15:42] <dpm> And while you have a look at that, we'll enter the last part of this session
[15:42] <dpm> [15:42] <dpm> Q&A
[15:42] <dpm> [15:43] <dpm> So I hope that that gave you a taste of how translation works in Ubuntu and how you can join our awesome translators.
[15:43] <dpm> Now feel free to ask any questions about anything related to translations.
[15:43] <dpm> Bring them on! ;-)
[15:43] <ClassBot> brousch asked: Is a presentation about offline translations and .po files scheduled? If so, when will it be?
[15:44] <dpm> I don't have any planned right now, but it might be a good idea. However, I'd very much recommend to translate online to get your translations accepted straight away without having to wait
[15:44] <dpm> That said, if you've got any questions about offline translation
[15:45] <dpm> I'll be happy to answer them here :)
[15:47] <ClassBot> brousch asked: How do you recruit translators?
[15:47] <dpm> that's actually a very good question
[15:47] <dpm> it really depends on the translation team and how it works
[15:48] <dpm> but there are a few best practice tips that can be helpful for recruiting new contributors for your language:
[15:48] <dpm> * create a dedicated translation team in your loco
[15:48] <dpm> * set up a mailing list or another channel for communication
[15:49] <dpm> * set up translation goals for the team
[15:49] <dpm> * keep the communication flowing
[15:49] <dpm> * organize translation events: a good idea is to organize translation jams during the Ubuntu Global Jam
[15:50] <dpm> they are extremely helpful to meet new people and mentor them on how to start translating Ubuntu
[15:51] <dpm> * promote your translation effort: encourage people to participate by blogging and communicating about it
[15:51] <dpm> * Organize regular IRC translation jams or meetings with your team
[15:51] <dpm> These are just a few that come to mind, which can be helpful in keeping a healthy translation team
[15:52] <ClassBot> kkitano asked: Are the majority of ubuntu translators translating into their native languages, or is there also a mix of translators who are not native speakers but are fluent in another language or who have studied it?
[15:52] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[15:53] <dpm> Most of the Ubuntu translators I know are native speakers, but I also know of cases of non-native speakers that are part of a translation team. In the latter case, though, they need to be very fluent in the language
[15:53] <ClassBot> uuser2233 asked: Is there any particular reason as to why there is one language package for all software preinstalled on ubuntu and not seperate ones like for the rest?
[15:54] <dpm> in fact, there are at least 3 language packs for each language (base, kde and gnome), but let me answer the question without entering into much detail:
[15:55] <dpm> having separate language packs from the main applications
[15:55] <dpm> allow us to do something unique amongst Linux distros: deliver regular updates of translations that can be kept separate of applications
[15:56] <dpm> This makes it much easier to provide frequent translation updates without having to reupload a big number of packages, with all the overhead that this would involve
[15:56] <ClassBot> jibel asked: What's the process if, as a user, I find an error with a translation for my language.
[15:56] <dpm> excellent question :)
[15:57] <dpm> You can do either of these:
[15:57] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[15:57] <dpm> a) Directly contact the translation team for the language and give them a heads up so that they can fix it.
[15:57] <dpm> (You can find the contact data for all teams at https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators, as mentioned earlier)
[15:57] <dpm> or
[15:58] <dpm> b) You can file a bug against the ubuntu-translations project,
[15:58] <dpm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+filebug/
[15:58] <dpm> There we'll assign it to the right translation team,
[15:59] <dpm> who'll be notified about it and be able to fix it in Launchpad
[15:59] <dpm> Members of the bugsquad can easily assign the bug to the corresponding ubuntu-l10n-<language> team too
[16:00] <dpm> Ok, so no more time left
[16:00] <dpm> thanks a lot for your participation
[16:00] <dpm> your excellent questions, and see you on the next Ubuntu Open Week!
[16:01] <dpm> I'll now leave you in the expert hands of xdatap and Having Fun With Ubuntu Testing.
[16:01] <xdatap> dpm, Thank you very much David :)
[16:02] <xdatap> Hi everybody, thanks for coming!
[16:02] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[16:02] <xdatap> My name is Paolo Sammicheli, I'm an Ubuntu member from the Italian LoCo Team, and today we'll talk about ISO Testing.
[16:03] <xdatap> Let's start with the most important question:
[16:03] <xdatap> Why should one try to test Ubuntu?
[16:03] <xdatap> Because it's fun!
[16:03] <xdatap> because it's a valuable contribution to Ubuntu
[16:03] <xdatap> and because you will learn a lot of things :)
[16:04] <xdatap> Let's see, now, how to test Ubuntu!
[16:04] <xdatap> You might already know that Ubuntu has a 6-month release cycle, which means that every 6 months we have a new Ubuntu release.
[16:05] <xdatap> Less known is the fact that, before the final release, several development releases are launched: ALPHAs and BETAs.
[16:05] <xdatap> Every cycle slightly changes his schedule, due several reason, but it's published since the beginning in a wiki page, so that everybody can be aware about what's going on.
[16:06] <xdatap> You can see the Natty schedule on the following link:
[16:06] <xdatap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[16:06] <xdatap> For all these releases, we have several kind of tests.
[16:07] <xdatap> The ISO Test is a test performed few days before the milestone release on the big files you use to burn an Ubuntu CD (called ISO Images),
[16:07] <xdatap> in which we want to be sure that the installer works properly and the live version starts correctly.
[16:07] <xdatap> We also test the upgrade process and the installation from windows with Wubi.
[16:08] <xdatap> The tool for reporting this kind of test is called ISO Tracker and it's available on the following link:
[16:08] <xdatap> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <xdatap> (go take a look at it, I will wait 2 minutes)
[16:10] <xdatap> As you can see last week we were testing Natty final release in all the officially supported flavors.
[16:10] <xdatap> For each flavor you can find several test case.
[16:11] <xdatap> A test case is a list of actions to perform in order to complete the test.
[16:12] <xdatap> Often you can find bugs which does NOT make FAIL your test, but it's useful that you report it on launchpad and you include their IDs in the test report.
[16:13] <xdatap> You can see how to report a test on the following link:
[16:13] <xdatap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[16:14] <xdatap> As described on the page above, filling your account on the ISO Tracker with your email and selecting the Email notification flag you will get an email each time there's a new image available for tests.
[16:15] <xdatap> You can choose which test case you want to test in which image so the email will contain the direct links for the test.
[16:16] <xdatap> To avoid to download the image every time I recommend to use zsync or rsync, as described on the following link:
[16:16] <xdatap> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[16:17] <xdatap> ISO Testing it's not the only test we perform over the CD Images.
[16:17] <xdatap> We have also different test programs like Laptop, Video Drivers, Desktop, etc.
[16:18] <xdatap> primes2h, who just entered in the channel is the rockstar who wrote the patches for the Laptop Tracker. He's another member of the Italian LoCo Team, :)
[16:19] <xdatap> What's the difference between these programs? Basically it changes WHAT we test and WHEN.
[16:20] <xdatap> One example: Laptop testing perform tests after each Milestone release and with the previous stable releases providing testcases for the hardware compatibility:
[16:20] <xdatap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop
[16:20] <xdatap> (take a look to the link, I'll wait 2 minutes)
[16:22] <xdatap> Xorg tested the nVidia Video Card Proprietary Drivers (almost) every week:
[16:23] <xdatap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/ProprietaryDrivers/Natty/WeeklyProgram
[16:23] <xdatap> Once you learn how to contribute to one program, like ISO Testing, you will be able to easily contribute to all of these tests because the tools are the same.
[16:24] <xdatap> If you are involved in a LoCo and you're interested in ISO Testing take also a look at the LoCo Testing Team How To:
[16:24] <xdatap> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/LoCoTeam
[16:25] <xdatap> (2 minutes for allowing you to read the link)
[16:27] <xdatap> How it works? You can setup a team inside your LoCo, choose a test to "adopt" and then divide the effort with your team members.
[16:28] <xdatap> The Italian experience shown that organizing this kind of activity helps in gathering new contributors and keeping them motivated.
[16:29] <xdatap> Take a look on the survey I made before last UDS in Orlando, you will find very interesting data about it:
[16:30] <xdatap> http://xdatap1.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/italian-loco-testing-team-survey/
[16:31] <xdatap> The Ubuntu Hall of Fame shows test results per LoCo, so it's nice to play a competition between LoCo in testing:
[16:31] <xdatap> http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com
[16:32] <xdatap> So, how to start with ISO Testing?
[16:32] <xdatap> Take a look at the QA Website (http://qa.ubuntu.com)
[16:33] <xdatap> and at the Testing page:
[16:33] <xdatap> http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/
[16:34] <xdatap> Join the QA Mailing List (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa)
[16:34] <xdatap> and for any question you will find us in the #ubuntu-testing IRC Channel.
[16:34] <xdatap> Ubuntu Testing: Let's make this rock!
[16:34] <xdatap> :)
[16:35] <xdatap> Time for questions
[16:37] <xdatap> you can ask questions joining the channel #ubuntu-classroom-chat and writing: "QUESTION: bla bla bla"
[16:38] <ClassBot> effie_jayx asked: How do you manage language barrier?, if it is an issue at all...
[16:38] <xdatap> yes it's a big issue
[16:39] <xdatap> the idea of a LoCo team comes from the idea that mentoring newcomers in their language helps a lot
[16:40] <xdatap> so, we started with the idea of a mentoring team, and then we also wanted to have a "team spirit" and we introduced the adoption
[16:41] <xdatap> reporting a bug is the biggest issue. If someone is not sure about what to write we ask to send an email in our mailing list and then we translate the description replying to the list
[16:42] <xdatap> people who started to be more sure and expert about the test process and how to report a bug tend to overcome the language barrier, btw
[16:42] <xdatap> but this is an issue, no doubt
[16:43] <xdatap> any other question?
[16:52] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[16:55] <xdatap> ok, It looks like the time is over.
[16:56] <xdatap> Thanks everybody for coming
[16:56] <xdatap> Next session is "Getting involved via the Beginners Team"
[16:57] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[16:57] <xdatap> jledbetter, the class is your :)
[16:58] <jledbetter> xdatap, Thank you. I'll give people a couple of more minutes till I begin. :)
[17:02] <ClassBot> Logs for this session will be available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/05/03/%23ubuntu-classroom.html following the conclusion of the session.
[17:02] <jledbetter> First, thank you everyone for joining me today!
[17:03] <jledbetter> I'm Jessica, a member of the Ubuntu Beginners Team, as well as a few other projects in Ubuntu.
[17:03] <jledbetter> If you'd like to know more about me, here's my wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/jledbetter.
[17:04] <jledbetter> Today, I'm going to go over what the Ubuntu Beginners Team is, how it helps others, how you can help others through it, and also about its focus groups.
[17:04] <jledbetter> Feel free to ask questions at anytime by typing in #ubuntu-classroom-chat QUESTION: question.
[17:05] <jledbetter> For example:
[17:05] <jledbetter> QUESTION: Which animal is better: Meerkat or Narwhal?
[17:06] <jledbetter> [17:06] <jledbetter> The Ubuntu Beginners Team exists to enhance the initial experience of new Ubuntu users and to guide existing Ubuntu users into becoming part of the global Ubuntu community.
[17:07] <jledbetter> So, whether you are a non-technical user or a power user, the Ubuntu community has a place where you can contribute and make a difference in Ubuntu.
[17:08] <jledbetter> [17:09] <jledbetter> People looking for help have many options, and the one that the beginners team focuses on is #ubuntu-beginners
[17:10] <jledbetter> Example questions: (none about the animal kingdom that I've seen so far)
[17:10] <jledbetter> Hi, I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and my ethernet adapter is not working (the same one i'm using with windows now). It shows up in 'lshw -C network' as disabled. Any ideas?
[17:10] <jledbetter> Is it common practice to encrypt the home directory? it that what most users do?
[17:11] <jledbetter> How do i stop Ubuntu from sleeping?
[17:11] <jledbetter> So, pretty varied.
[17:11] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Why is #ubuntu-beginners not known about by most people who go to #ubuntu wanting help?
[17:12] <jledbetter> Interesting question. As MrChrisDruif said, it's probably due to promotion. We're hoping that by doing this we'll get the word out more :)
[17:14] <jledbetter> We also have channels that focus on certain areas of Ubuntu like #ubuntu-beginners-dev where we get questions like "could you recommend me some project or something to get more soggy about Ubuntu development?"
[17:15] <jledbetter> And that channel is where you'll find me answering questions more often then #ubuntu-beginners :)
[17:16] <jledbetter> We also have team members that focus on user support on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/ and http://askubuntu.com/
[17:17] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Well I didn't know about the beginners dev channel.  Also doesn't the forums have a beginners channel or something, but not run by the same team?
[17:18] <jledbetter> And that's why we're here to spread the word. My area is development, but there are those that love writing wikis and answering all those hard questions like wifi cards not working on a certain laptop.
[17:19] <jledbetter> Yes, there are forums as well. And teams that we connect with like BugControl. There are different types of development that one can go into but #ubuntu-beginners-dev is great for generic "I wanna develop for Ubuntu" and we try to guide the person in the right direction/projects.
[17:21] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Probably a bit off topic, but what kind of development do you do?
[17:22] <jledbetter> A bit but if this will help people see what we can offer: I'm a web developer. I have years of Java experience but have recently started Python/Django work -- and love it. :)
[17:23] <jledbetter> So, basically, if you have these questions (or more), please ask us.
[17:23] <jledbetter> If we don't know, we'll try to point you in the right direction.
[17:24] <jledbetter> Again, the channel is #ubuntu-beginners. If you need help using IRC here is some help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/IRC
[17:25] <jledbetter> If you would like to help answer some of these questions (and more), please join the channels and/or join the team!
[17:25] <jledbetter> From ubuntu-classroom-chat: duanedesign: a bit of ancient Beginners Team history. The team was actually started by a group of Ubuntu Community Forum Staff and users who answered questions in the 'Absolute Beginners' section of the forums
[17:26] <jledbetter> Now, you may be asking yourself, "How do I become a member of this amazing team?"
[17:27] <jledbetter> [17:27] <jledbetter> Those that are interested in joining the team go through a multi-step process.
[17:28] <jledbetter> The first is to post one's name on the "seeking a master" (or a guide) list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership
[17:29] <jledbetter> This way, someone from the team can help the person through the rest of the steps like setting up a wiki page and signing the Ubuntu Code of Conduct.
[17:30] <jledbetter> The general purpose of the process is to make sure the person understands the team structure, gets set up on the various Ubuntu-related sites like Launchpad and a wiki page, and finds his or her groups to focus on.
[17:31] <jledbetter> There is also a "mentorship" program where mentors who are more specialized in an area of Ubuntu can guide the person through that.
[17:32] <jledbetter> For example, we have mentors in Bugs, Documentation, Accessibility, Testing, and Support.
[17:32] <jledbetter> More information on that is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors
[17:33] <jledbetter> If you would like to find out more about the membership process visit this link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership
[17:34] <jledbetter> Plus there are a few beginners team members that are in -chat: duanedesign, MrChrisDruif, and UndiFineD :)
[17:35] <jledbetter> There are many benefits to membership including getting to know a bunch of great people, helping out new users, and also growing/building up accomplishments.
[17:37] <jledbetter> As mentioned before, we have various focus groups like user support, documentation, bugs, and development.
[17:37] <jledbetter> [17:37] <jledbetter> I'm going to briefly go over each so that you can see what a wide range of ways we help those that are new to Ubuntu (or those that have been using Ubuntu for a long time and are exploring new areas).
[17:39] <jledbetter> In order to join any of these teams, one must first be an Ubuntu Beginners Team member. However, you are welcome to join the channels and ask (or answer) questions without being a member, of course.
[17:39] <jledbetter> ___User Support___
[17:39] <jledbetter> The Support Focus Group of the Ubuntu Beginners Team exists to help new users make the transition to Ubuntu.
[17:40] <jledbetter> Focus Group Members answer questions on the Ubuntu forums, irc, askubuntu.com or in-person events.
[17:41] <jledbetter> If you find you have questions about Natty, you can ask us on #ubuntu-beginners.
[17:41] <jledbetter> For more information on the User Support Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Support
[17:42] <jledbetter> ___Documentation___
[17:43] <jledbetter> The Documentation Focus Group is for Beginners Team Members and applicants who want to help update and maintain the documentation for Ubuntu.
[17:44] <jledbetter> There are three main areas, the two main wikis and the system documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community - The main community wiki for help documents for Ubuntu.
[17:45] <jledbetter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ - This wiki is now used for organizational work, proposals and all materials not belonging to main wiki.
[17:45] <jledbetter> System Documentation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation) - This is the documentation that comes with Ubuntu.
[17:46] <jledbetter> For more information on the Documentation Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs
[17:47] <jledbetter> Also, it seems that they share cookie recipes. What a great team!
[17:47] <jledbetter> ___Bugs___
[17:48] <jledbetter> The Bugs Focus Group exists to help users become familiar with bug triage (bug squad and bug control teams), quality assurance (QA team), and testing (testing team).
[17:48] <jledbetter> The previous session today was on testing. Very related!
[17:49] <jledbetter> Bug triage is an excellent way to start helping out. You get to learn a lot about Ubuntu, its available packages, its infrastructure, and you get a feel for development.
[17:49] <jledbetter> And what a great time to get involved in it, too!
[17:49] <jledbetter> We just had a release so this group can help you file bugs and -- if you want to go one step further -- help manage them with triage and start on the path to joining Bug Control (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl).
[17:50] <jledbetter> For more information on the Bugs Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Bugs
[17:50] <jledbetter> ___Development___
[17:51] <jledbetter> The development team is here to help new users learn application design, programming concepts, get acclimated to working in a team, and contributing parts to create a whole.
[17:52] <ClassBot> There are 10 minutes remaining in the current session.
[17:52] <jledbetter> It has also held programming classes.
[17:52] <jledbetter> This is a really diverse group of people.
[17:52] <jledbetter> (And awesome but I may be biased, of course.)
[17:52] <jledbetter> We have strong Python programmers and not so strong Python programmers. We have people that love packaging and those that prefer to do web development work.
[17:53] <jledbetter> If you have questions about how to get started developing in or on Ubuntu, please join us on #ubuntu-beginners-dev.
[17:53] <jledbetter> For more information on the Development Focus Group: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development
[17:54] <jledbetter> And that was a brief overview of the Ubuntu Beginners Team.
[17:54] <jledbetter> We are here to assist new users not only use Ubuntu but also to find their way into the community itself.
[17:55] <jledbetter> I hope that if you have questions about Ubuntu that you will ask us in those channels.
[17:55] <jledbetter> Also, if you are a seasoned Ubuntu user, we'd love to have you help us help others!
[17:56] <jledbetter> [17:56] <jledbetter> We have a few minutes left in case anyone has any more questions about the team.
[17:57] <ClassBot> There are 5 minutes remaining in the current session.
[17:58] <jledbetter> Great! I expect to see more of you in #ubuntu-beginners and the other channels. Would love to see you join the team as well :)
[17:59] <jledbetter> Let's make Ubuntu an awesome experience for new (and upgrading) users!
[17:59] <jledbetter> Speaking of awesome.... the next session is "u1 is awesome" by Shane Fagan
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[18:02] <fagan> Testing 1,2,3
[18:03] <fagan> Alright so hey everybody im Shane :)
[18:04] <fagan> Im going to be talking about Ubuntu one and what exactly it does and how you guys can use it. Also ill be going into some of the stuff you can look forward to
[18:04] <fagan> So you guys can ask questions in chat and ill get around to them when I can or towards the end
[18:05] <fagan> Ok so what exactly is Ubuntu one?
[18:06] <fagan> Ubuntu one is a set of services to make things easier for users mainly cloud based services
[18:06] <fagan> The cloud is a bit of a scary word but all it means is the internet really and you dont really need to go too much deeper into it
[18:07] <fagan> So what people try out first id say is the file sync which is free for 2GB of online storage
[18:08] <fagan> You can sync up your files and folders and publish them so other people can access them
[18:09] <fagan> It is currently available on Ubuntu, Windows (beta) and an Android version is on the way soon
[18:09] <fagan> You can get more storage on the website in 20GB packs
[18:09] <fagan> ok I see some questions
[18:10] <fagan> so ill take a few now
[18:10] <ClassBot> sebsebseb asked: Ubuntu One is awesome, oh yeah really, how so?
[18:10] <fagan> ill get back to this one :D
[18:10] <ClassBot> jledbetter asked: How secure is my data if I sync it?
[18:11] <fagan> Ok this is a good question and its really understandable.
[18:12] <fagan> So the filesync and everything in Ubuntu one is very secure. It is secured by your login info but also you control the access via the web interface or the Ubuntu one control panel in natty
[18:13] <ClassBot> Fabu asked: will ubuntu one get webdav support? If yes - when can we expect it?
[18:14] <fagan> No we wont be getting webdav support for a few big reasons that are pretty hard to explain but if you ask on #ubuntuone they can explain it better than me :)
[18:15] <fagan> ok so ill go back to it
[18:15] <fagan> So other than the filesync we have contact sync which is something I only started using this month myself
[18:16] <fagan> You can either use the plugin for evolution on your desktop or sync your contacts from your android or iPhone
[18:17] <fagan> This is particularly interesting if you are working on the go or have a few different devices
[18:17] <fagan> So I have 2 computers and an android phone and they all have the same contacts
[18:18] <fagan> Ok so more questions
[18:18] <fagan> :)
[18:18] <ClassBot> jorek asked: Is it possible to sync on Mac, too?
[18:19] <fagan> Nope but watch this space after the new version of the file sync for Windows is released
[18:19] <fagan> Its something that is on the todo list for a while but we are tackling the much harder one first
[18:20] <fagan> and a big shoutout to mandel who is doing the new Windows file sync at the moment
[18:20] <ClassBot> ombralando asked: How do I sync a folder outside of the "Ubuntu One" folder?  Insructions online only show how to do this in nautilus, not the command-line.
[18:21] <fagan> Well I dont know how to do it with the commandline myself so could you ask on #ubuntuone im sure someone can help there
[18:21] <ClassBot> ombralando asked: Does contact sync work in kubuntu applications?
[18:22] <fagan> Well you can use the Gnome stuff in kubuntu and im pretty sure there is a kubuntu client already
[18:22] <fagan> the good news is that the windows client is written in Qt for the user interface so there will be some improvements coming from that too probably
[18:22] <ClassBot> imgarysmith asked: What advantages (if any) has Ubuntu One contact sync got over the integrated Google contact sync on Android
[18:22] <fagan> great question
[18:23] <fagan> The benefit is that you can do it over multiple devices
[18:24] <fagan> and we are adding more as fast as we can so at the moment its just evolution in Ubuntu and there is an improved thunderbird one on the way from mozilla as well as the mobile ones
[18:24] <fagan> So we support I think the most contacts for any sync service at the moment and we aim to add more
[18:24] <ClassBot> Fabu asked: will contact Sync also get google contacts support?
[18:25] <fagan> We have Google contact and facebook contact import at the moment
[18:25] <fagan> Ok so thats all the questions in the queue for the moment so ill keep going
[18:26] <fagan> So as part of our mobile service we have music streaming now which is very very cool
[18:27] <fagan> if you havent seen it yet you just sync you .mp3 (or ogg soon for android) and automagically ubuntu one will add it to your songs on the phone
[18:27] <fagan> It is pretty cool but ill suggest having a data plan with your phone provider or using the wifi
[18:29] <fagan> So since there is no more questions ill go on to the next bit and that is some news about whats coming and what we improved upon since the last release of Ubuntu :)
[18:29] <fagan> So a big thing we added in the last release was the control panel
[18:29] <fagan> So now you can do a lot more without having to go to the Ubuntu one website
[18:30] <fagan> You can now sync specific folders from the cloud to your computer now
[18:31] <fagan> There was a lot of speed improvements and that is something we are always trying to improve upon
[18:32] <fagan> So thats what we got in the desktop for natty which is a lot
[18:32] <fagan> For 11.10 (I cant spell it :)
[18:33] <fagan> It still hasnt been decided but we will be getting some Unity stuff like possibly quicklists and lenses
[18:33] <fagan> Maybe an update to the music store
[18:34] <fagan> and maybe a shotwell plugin which some image publishing to the website
[18:34] <fagan> The recent release of the android client brought some playlist support
[18:35] <fagan> Oh and just to mention that the Windows, Android and iPhone clients dont follow the same release dates as the Ubuntu release dates
[18:36] <fagan> So if you want some of the latest news on whats coming be sure to look at the Ubuntu one blog http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/
[18:36] <fagan> So im a little bit ahead of time does anyone have any more questions?
[18:37] <fagan> I still have more to cover but ill stop for a sec and take some if you guys have any :)
[18:37] <fagan> Ok then
[18:38] <fagan> So ill talk about what I do then :)
[18:38] <fagan> Im an intern helping out here and there on the Windows client as well as doing bug reports and helping out where ever I can
[18:39] <fagan> So the new version of the Windows client is coming pretty soon and it should be as good as the one for Ubuntu
[18:40] <fagan> The current beta that is available is just a rough start so it isnt working to great for the users but the new one should be a lot more snappy
[18:41] <fagan> There isnt really much to say about it at the moment other than watch the blog and we will announce it for use when its ready which should be pretty soon
[18:41] <fagan> So still no questions?
[18:42] <fagan> Well I frequently asked question I get from people is how is Ubuntu one different from dropbox
[18:43] <fagan> The simplest way to put this is that Dropbox offers file sync and so do we
[18:44] <fagan> but we offer the mobile stuff like streaming and contact syncing
[18:44] <fagan> and as well as that we have a great set of services for application developers to make really neat things
[18:45] <fagan> So eventually we would love to see little applications to sync reading lists or recipies
[18:45] <fagan> the sky is the limit
[18:46] <ClassBot> jorek asked: Is it possible to release files to the public?
[18:46] <fagan> jorek: could you explain what you mean?
[18:47] <fagan> (in chat)
[18:47] <fagan> You can publish your files on Ubuntu one by right clicking the file in a synced folder
[18:48] <fagan> then you can get the link by clicking the copy web link to clipboard link
[18:48] <ClassBot> jorek asked: For example if you have a file that you want to show your friends. Is it possible to simply upload it and let friends download it?
[18:48] <fagan> yeah thats like I thought
[18:49] <fagan> on more recent releases of Ubuntu you can publish files by right clicking in a synced folder
[18:49] <fagan> and selecting publish and then copying the web link
[18:49] <fagan> I think that answers it
[18:49] <ClassBot> ombralando asked: Any plans for sharing photo albums online through ubuntu one?  You mentioned shotwell syncing, would this allow the creation of sharable albums?
[18:50] <fagan> Maybe it hasnt been decided how this is going to be done yet
[18:50] <fagan> but it is a topic for discussion
[18:51] <fagan> I would love to see a nice gallery style website flikr style
[18:51]  * fagan cant spell today :)
[18:51] <fagan> Ok so any more questions we still have time left
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[18:52] <fagan> The main thing id like to say is anything is possible in the future we are getting a lot of improvements along the way
[18:52] <fagan> and we are trying to make our service the best it can be for the users
[18:53] <fagan> So that means obviously more platforms like Mac OS and improving what we have done over the past few releases of Ubuntu
[18:54] <fagan> So thats about it unless there is more questions
[18:55] <fagan> Oh and just a shameless plug here is the site with all the info about the service plans we have https://one.ubuntu.com/plans/
[18:56] <fagan> The mobile one is the one I like most at the moment :)
[18:56] <fagan> Ok thats it thanks for reading
[18:57] <fagan> oh and the comments were great too
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[18:58] <fagan> Oh and if you have any problems or questions just ask in #ubuntuone there are people in there to help weekdays
[19:00] <ClassBot> jorek asked: Is it possible to pay with €, too?
[19:00] <fagan> yes it is but the currency isnt localised yet
[19:02] <fagan> So you can pay with € you just might have to google the price for the moment. We do know that isnt too helpful but it is a known issue and will be fixed when we can do it but its slightly complciated
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