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| hyperair | pitti: are SRUs which add indicator support accepted? (seeing as some applications just fail to work without their notification area icons, now that unity has that stupid whitelist) | 00:15 |
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| tepster | new user here - is it common practice to encrypt the home folder? is that most people do? | 01:06 |
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| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, OK hit me up tomorrow and we can chat about it | 04:59 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 05:38 |
| pitti | hyperair: for SRU I'd rather whitelist them; please file a bug against unity, we just need to keep the pressure up :) | 05:38 |
| hyperair | pitti: heh, okay. i've just uploaded a quicksynergy port to application indicators. if that's not okay, please reject it | 05:39 |
| hyperair | and i'll upload it to oneiric instead | 05:39 |
| pitti | it shoudl be fixed/tested in oneiric anyawy | 05:40 |
| hyperair | right. | 05:42 |
| hyperair | pitti: reject it from -proposed then | 05:42 |
| TheMuso | Hey pitti. | 06:03 |
| RAOF | Hm. I wonder if vmbuilder is waiting for input or whethere it's really bootstrapping a maverick vm. | 06:04 |
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| RAOF | Maybe these VMs will be built by the time I get back from posting this stuff :). | 06:21 |
| bryceh | RAOF, what are you working on? | 06:24 |
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| RAOF | bryceh: bug #742683 - the dvorak {deadkeys,nodeadkeys} keymaps conveniently swapped names under us. | 06:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 742683 in xkeyboard-config "on upgrade, keyboard config changed to use deadkeys" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742683 | 06:29 |
| bryceh | huh, weird | 06:29 |
| RAOF | Yeah. | 06:29 |
| bryceh | you know, it's funny, there is a noticeable drop-off in the quality of bug reports that come in post-release compared with pre-release | 06:30 |
| RAOF | That's pretty much expected, isn't it? | 06:30 |
| bryceh | (come to think of it, there's a similar drop between alpha and beta) | 06:30 |
| bryceh | yeah... just surprising how sudden it is | 06:30 |
| RAOF | :) | 06:30 |
| RAOF | Anyway, me→post office. | 06:31 |
| pitti | bryceh: do you have a "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?" canned response? | 07:52 |
| bryceh | pitti, now that's a great idea | 08:03 |
| bryceh | pitti, actually, in fact I do have some plans in work to rejigger the X apport scripts a bit to try walking people through a bit of preliminary debugging | 08:04 |
| tjaalton | there are some great examples of that, like for audio and general kernel bugs | 08:04 |
| tjaalton | though I guess you still need to know what package to file it against | 08:05 |
| bryceh | yeah I have something there that kicks in if you run 'ubuntu-bug' without specifying a package and select 'graphics' | 08:05 |
| bryceh | but it's kind of shallow, I think it can be expanded on better | 08:06 |
| tjaalton | ah, right.. never seen that before :) | 08:06 |
| bryceh | yeah that's one reason I want to unify all the apport/failsafe stuff into one package, so I can make stuff like that be more widely used | 08:07 |
| Sweetshark | Morning all! | 08:23 |
| bryceh | heya Sweetshark | 08:24 |
| Sweetshark | bryceh: penalvch posts a lot of "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"-messages for incomplete LibreOffice bugs like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/758773/comments/5 and I am very thankful for that. | 08:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 758773 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Incomplete] | 08:30 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: do you know were doko_ is? I was repeatedly trying to get him to prevent my LibreOffice Packaging membership to expire but and still am unsuccessful. I just got the "expires in 24 hours" email. | 08:40 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: hm, he's not shown as being on holiday; so no idea, I'm afraid | 08:41 |
| bryceh | Sweetshark, awesome :-) | 08:49 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 09:05 |
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| jbicha | rodrigo_: hi | 09:11 |
| rodrigo_ | hi jbicha, how are you? | 09:11 |
| jbicha | the gnome-session build for the gnome3 PPA failed, I think debian has fixed the build-deps | 09:12 |
| jbicha | so I was going to try to play with merging their changes but I can't figure out how to do it | 09:12 |
| rodrigo_ | oh, it failed? | 09:13 |
| rodrigo_ | it built ok here | 09:13 |
| rodrigo_ | jbicha, debian has its own svn -> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/ | 09:14 |
| rodrigo_ | jbicha, so you can check it out, and diff it with the ubuntu branch | 09:14 |
| rodrigo_ | and then apply the diffs that make sense | 09:15 |
| rodrigo_ | the parts that make sense, that is | 09:15 |
| jbicha | well I've never merged before and was I don't know what diff command to use | 09:15 |
| Sweetshark | it seems a lot of people are reading http://planet.documentfoundation.org judging by the reaction on twitter ... | 09:15 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: ah, you got some feedback to your post? | 09:15 |
| jbicha | rodrigo_: I was trying the lp branch but the svn looks better so let me see | 09:16 |
| rodrigo_ | jbicha, not sure if it's the correct way of doing it, but I just use diff command (diff -upr ubuntu_branch_dir debian_branch_dir > tmp.diff) and then review the tmp.diff file and apply what I want | 09:16 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: nah, just a lot of retweets on how to enable lo-menubar. Bracing for the (bugreport) impact right now ;) | 09:17 |
| pitti | heh, good luck! | 09:20 |
| jbicha | also something in gdm3 reduces my $PATH to only /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin | 09:31 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I have two topics I would like to discuss: 1) SRUs for openclipart, openoffice.org transitionals, lo-menubar, libreoffice 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen and how to handle them for uds. Maybe we should mumble sometime today? | 09:54 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: we can do that right now if you want (in some 3 minutes when I finished my current merge) | 09:55 |
| chrisccoulson | unity is so simple, even my 18 month old daughter can use it! | 09:56 |
| chrisccoulson | she's now associated the super key with the dash opening ;) | 09:56 |
| Sweetshark | chrisccoulson: f3ar the day when your cat starts to use it ... | 10:00 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: will you come back to mumble? | 10:04 |
| pitti | did I fall off the planet or Sweetshark ? | 10:05 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: back? | 10:11 |
| Sweetshark | pitti: I only hear static from you. | 10:11 |
| pitti | hmm | 10:11 |
| pitti | Sweetshark: still no luck understanding me? | 10:12 |
| Sweetshark | nope, no joy | 10:13 |
| * pitti blames the UMTS here | 10:13 | |
| pitti | but it worked just fine a few minutes ago until you disjonied | 10:13 |
| Riddell | pitti: who can approve specs? | 10:21 |
| chrisccoulson | linking chromium is immensely painful on my laptop :/ | 10:27 |
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| pitti | Sweetshark: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+addspec | 11:44 |
| pitti | Riddell: (sorry, had long phone call); by default, the team's tech lead; for Kubuntu specs, you are the de-facto TL, so you can approve them as well | 11:47 |
| pitti | Riddell: if it's one of your specs, you can also ask someone else in the Kubuntu community to review it, like Scott or Harald | 11:47 |
| Riddell | pitti: actually I ment who can accept them for uds-o | 11:48 |
| pitti | Riddell: ah; I think ~uds-organizers | 11:49 |
| pitti | Riddell: throw me some URLs, and I'll accept them | 11:49 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O but I think rickspencer3 is going to do it | 11:50 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell, I think it's done | 11:50 |
| pitti | Riddell: they are all accepted for uds-o already | 11:51 |
| Riddell | thanks pitti, rickspencer3. now how do I schedule them? | 11:52 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: Sweetshark will also add a couple; same question, will they be picked up magically, or do we need to kindly ask someone? | 11:52 |
| pitti | jcastro mentioned an auto-scheduler this time | 11:52 |
| pitti | lunch, bbl | 11:55 |
| soren | When I bring up the Unity dash and type stuff in the search field, what file indexing service does use to present me with file and directory results? | 13:17 |
| rodrigo_ | ok lunch, bbl | 13:19 |
| soren | It it only stuff from Zeitgeist or does it find everything? | 13:19 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Hi Martin, Considering that language-selector is broken in Natty for Turkish users, how about an SRU while waiting for pygobject-2.28.4? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/natty/pygobject/pygobject-proposed-lp-747796 | 13:52 |
| pitti | hey GunnarHj | 13:59 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: yes, I'll backport the patch as soon as it's approved upstream | 13:59 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Ok. Will the branch be useful, or should I delete it? | 14:01 |
| pitti | GunnarHj: once it gets ack'ed upstream, it will be useful | 14:01 |
| GunnarHj | pitti: Cool. | 14:02 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, but 643899 is causing me a real headache now :/ | 14:02 |
| chrisccoulson | i wish someone had a way to reproduce it :) | 14:02 |
| chrisccoulson | **bug | 14:03 |
| * pitti needs to disappear for a couple of hours to buy some furniture | 14:10 | |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - i have this vision of you sitting on the floor of an empty room with just your laptop, hacking away ;) | 14:12 |
| ratcheer | On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently? | 14:18 |
| ratcheer | Is anyone here? | 14:28 |
| ratcheer | On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently? | 14:31 |
| chrisccoulson | ratcheer, you would be better off asking your question in #ubuntu | 14:34 |
| chrisccoulson | this is a developer channel | 14:34 |
| ratcheer | chrisccoulson: Sorry. It says on the Launchpad Gnome3 Team page to ask questions, here. I didn't realize I'm not invited. | 14:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i didn't say you weren't invited. just that this probably isn't the best channel to get support ;) | 14:37 |
| ratcheer | chrisccoulson: Ok, thank you. | 14:38 |
| rodrigo_ | pitti, seb128: can I add specific work items (specific to a patch in a package) to the gnome3 blueprint? | 15:36 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, hey, sure | 15:37 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 15:38 |
| rodrigo_ | it's because some patches need some work, so I'm disabling them for now | 15:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, not sure that I like to disable them, it reduces the motivation to port it since it doesn't block the upload | 15:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, well, I'm disabling them because the functionality that was patched is no longer present or has been totally rewritten, so needs really a complete rewrite, maybe even in some other module | 15:42 |
| rodrigo_ | the others, I'm just rebasing them, that's why I'm taking longer to do uploads from the gnome3 ppa | 15:42 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, we should have an UDS session about those | 15:42 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, that's why I want to add them somewhere so that they don't get forgotten | 15:43 |
| seb128 | i.e review what got dropped and what we should do about it | 15:43 |
| rodrigo_ | so, can I add them then to the blueprint then? | 15:43 |
| tabbernuk | Sorry to bother you, but does anybody know a proper answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/37843/where-do-i-place-a-file-for-bookmarks-for-all-users ? Ubuntu adds its default bookmarks to Firefox 4, but what mechanism is used ? I checked /etc/firefox/profile/bookmarks.html is definitely not used anymore... | 15:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, thanks | 15:44 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, which one is that? | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, for now, 33-datetime-service-ubuntu-ntp.patch and 45_support_new_video_key.patch in g-s-d | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, but I have a couple more in gnome-power-manager | 15:45 |
| seb128 | they both got fixed upstream no? | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | I think the ntp thing yes, the other not sure, the code is completely different, and can't really find where that thing is supported | 15:46 |
| tabbernuk | If I'm asking in a wrong channel, please redirect :D | 15:47 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623223 | 15:49 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 623223 in media-keys "Handle video out keys in media-keys" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 15:49 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, that's the video key bug | 15:49 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah, ok, one less then :) | 15:49 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, drop the ntp patch and add a workitem to check ntp is working as it should | 15:50 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 15:50 |
| seb128 | tabbernuk, try #ubuntu | 15:50 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you need a ":" after the workitems lines | 15:54 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, sorry | 15:54 |
| seb128 | no worry | 15:54 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, the format is "title: status" where status default to "todo" when not written | 15:55 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, right | 15:55 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, hopefully now g-s-d is ok for an upload | 16:01 |
| * rodrigo_ builds | 16:01 | |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, can I ask for a review, just in case I missed something or dropped some patch that should stay? | 16:01 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, can it go alone or does it need to go at the same time as other things? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, having a review for desktop components could be nice | 16:11 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I think g-s-d can go alone | 16:11 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, you synced libgnomekbd right? | 16:11 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yes | 16:12 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, well I'm not sure if the 2 libgnomekbd versions conflict | 16:13 |
| seb128 | well it's early in oneiric so we can break things ;-) | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | they conflict indeed | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | you can only have one of them installed | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | but yes, we break things now or never :) | 16:13 |
| rodrigo_ | ok, it builds ok, so pushing to a branch | 16:14 |
| seb128 | feel free to push to ubuntu-desktop vcs | 16:15 |
| seb128 | we can review it there | 16:15 |
| rodrigo_ | ah, ok then | 16:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, do I also upload? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, if you want feel free but if you want a review before uploading that's fine as well | 16:16 |
| rodrigo_ | yes, i want a review, but I guess I can do any upload later with fixes | 16:17 |
| rodrigo_ | but yes, I'll wait for a review better | 16:17 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, pushed | 16:19 |
| rodrigo_ | as for the build dependencies, seems all are already in oneiric/natty, so I think it can be uploaded, after the review | 16:20 |
| rodrigo_ | also, bzr bd starts complaining about 'oneiric' on changelog, so what was the file to edit to add it? | 16:21 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, i think libgnomekbd isnt ready at least not for amd64 | 16:21 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, oh, why? | 16:21 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, running 3.0 here | 16:22 |
| ricotz | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/2.91.91-2 | 16:22 |
| ricotz | you are running the ppa version? | 16:23 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, yes | 16:23 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so, debian only has 2.91.92 then? | 16:23 |
| * rodrigo_ checks | 16:23 | |
| rodrigo_ | right, only 2.91.92 | 16:24 |
| rodrigo_ | we have 3.0 in the ppa, so I guess we need to sync to debian and then back from debian? | 16:24 |
| ricotz | rodrigo_, there are a lot of packages waiting for dependencies | 16:25 |
| rodrigo_ | ricotz, in oneiric you mean? | 16:25 |
| ricotz | yes, oneiric :) | 16:25 |
| ricotz | which might cause trouble with some build depes | 16:26 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, so, what did you sync? the ubuntu-desktop branch still has 2.32 | 16:26 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, sync what? | 16:32 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yeah, syncing is a direct archive copy so it leave the vcs behind | 16:32 |
| seb128 | I didn't update the vcs for the stack of syncs I do | 16:33 |
| seb128 | usually we import the current version in the vcs when we need to divert again | 16:33 |
| seb128 | no point to keep a vcs in sync for autosyncs | 16:33 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do we need a newer version than 2.91.92? debian seems to be fine with that one | 16:34 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, do you plan to rebase on Debian? | 16:36 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, well, we have 3.0 in the ppa, although no changes really different than debian, except for the version updates | 16:37 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-settings-daemon.html | 16:37 |
| dpm | heya seb128. We've got a few Nokia Qt people coming to UDS and I've been in touch with them. I e-mailed jasoncwarner to see if you guys wanted to have any sessions scheduled with them, but he hasn't come back to me yet. In the meantime, we scheduled a Qt catch-all discussion session -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/ - do you guys need another session with them, or them to be subscribed to any of your existing sessi | 16:37 |
| dpm | ons? | 16:37 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, g-s-d upstream just asks for libgnomekbd >= 2.91.1 | 16:38 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-settings-daemon/current/changelog | 16:38 |
| rodrigo_ | so should be fine | 16:38 |
| seb128 | dpm, not sure, ask dx and Riddell I guess | 16:38 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-desktop doesn't really use qt out of unity-2d for next cycle | 16:39 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, well rebasing on debian is basically taking their version, summarizing what we do different and listing those in one changelog update | 16:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ah | 16:39 |
| seb128 | see what I did for eog | 16:39 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I thought it was merging the changes | 16:39 |
| seb128 | usually I diff the debian and ubuntu debian dirs | 16:40 |
| seb128 | take the debian one | 16:40 |
| seb128 | reapply changes we need and describe those as I go | 16:40 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:40 |
| seb128 | it give you basically debian with only real diff over debian and a summary | 16:40 |
| rodrigo_ | I thought we wanted to keep our history | 16:40 |
| seb128 | we can often take their packaging cleanups etc | 16:40 |
| seb128 | well people do merge the changelog and keep the old ubuntu uploads mixed in there | 16:41 |
| seb128 | but we start each cycle by merging on debian | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, I get it | 16:41 |
| seb128 | that's what https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html is about | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | I'll do it that way | 16:41 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:41 |
| Riddell | dpm: who's coming? | 16:41 |
| Riddell | from Qt? | 16:41 |
| seb128 | it's a bit extra work but if we do rebase on them once a cycle we divert | 16:41 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, makes sense | 16:41 |
| dpm | Riddell, the folks listed at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/ | 16:42 |
| jcastro | seb128: if you see jasonwarner can you remind him to check the incoming blueprints in launchpad? He's got a bunch we need to get on the schedule since he started travelling | 17:26 |
| seb128 | jcastro, will do, I've not seen him yet | 17:27 |
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| kenvandine | jcastro, just mention him on twitter, he retweeted robbiew a few minutes ago :) | 17:35 |
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| vish | pitti, seb128: hi, could you change the description in this BP: s/Humanity/Light : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 | 17:54 |
| vish | Light theme is the murrine based GTK theme | 17:54 |
| latenite | Hi, how do I add a "auto included footer" to emails in evolution? | 18:12 |
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| Laney | grabbing the gimp merge | 18:55 |
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| jorek | Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to switch the hotkey for the terminal with the one for trash yet the [CTRL]+[ALT] is a pain for me. | 19:21 |
| Laney | how far does this delta reducing initiative go? | 19:50 |
| Laney | i'd like to drop one or two largeish changes in this merge: - List dependencies one line per dependency & - Add ${misc:Depends} to all packages | 19:50 |
| cyphermox | Laney, sounds reasonable to me, too | 19:54 |
| Laney | I just discovered that emerge-files is great for doing merges | 19:57 |
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| fta | jcastro, do you know if someone is working on adding a progress bar for the transmission icon in the unity launcher? | 20:22 |
| jcastro | fta: I think kklimonda? | 20:22 |
| Xylch | How do I change the Unity appmenu close/min/max to my themes default? | 22:05 |
| jbicha | Xylch: I don't know much about that, but that looks like a bug to me that Unity only draws Ambiance or ugly | 22:09 |
| jbicha | for the window buttons | 22:09 |
| jbicha | at least Radiance should be supported | 22:10 |
| Xylch | yea, I am using shiki-colors theme, and I have an ugly placeholder close/max/min icon when maximized | 22:12 |
| zniavre | Xylch, you should find this how-to interesting to use your own button with unity | 22:15 |
| zniavre | the idea is to replace ambiance/radiance metacity files form their folder | 22:15 |
| zniavre | http://nanabuluku.deviantart.com/art/Orta-pbr-unity-206313533 | 22:18 |
| zniavre | ooops sorry forget the link | 22:18 |
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