[00:15] <hyperair> pitti: are SRUs which add indicator support accepted? (seeing as some applications just fail to work without their notification area icons, now that unity has that stupid whitelist)
[01:06] <tepster> new user here - is it common practice to encrypt the home folder? is that most people do?
[04:59] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, OK hit me up tomorrow and we can chat about it
[05:38] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <pitti> hyperair: for SRU I'd rather whitelist them; please file a bug against unity, we just need to keep the pressure up :)
[05:39] <hyperair> pitti: heh, okay. i've just uploaded a quicksynergy port to application indicators. if that's not okay, please reject it
[05:39] <hyperair> and i'll upload it to oneiric instead
[05:40] <pitti> it shoudl be fixed/tested in oneiric anyawy
[05:42] <hyperair> right.
[05:42] <hyperair> pitti: reject it from -proposed then
[06:03] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[06:04] <RAOF> Hm.  I wonder if vmbuilder is waiting for input or whethere it's really bootstrapping a maverick vm.
[06:21] <RAOF> Maybe these VMs will be built by the time I get back from posting this stuff :).
[06:24] <bryceh> RAOF, what are you working on?
[06:29] <RAOF> bryceh: bug #742683 - the dvorak {deadkeys,nodeadkeys} keymaps conveniently swapped names under us.
[06:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742683 in xkeyboard-config "on upgrade, keyboard config changed to use deadkeys" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742683
[06:29] <bryceh> huh, weird
[06:29] <RAOF> Yeah.
[06:30] <bryceh> you know, it's funny, there is a noticeable drop-off in the quality of bug reports that come in post-release compared with pre-release
[06:30] <RAOF> That's pretty much expected, isn't it?
[06:30] <bryceh> (come to think of it, there's a similar drop between alpha and beta)
[06:30] <bryceh> yeah... just surprising how sudden it is
[06:30] <RAOF> :)
[06:31] <RAOF> Anyway, me→post office.
[07:52] <pitti> bryceh: do you have a "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?" canned response?
[08:03] <bryceh> pitti, now that's a great idea
[08:04] <bryceh> pitti, actually, in fact I do have some plans in work to rejigger the X apport scripts a bit to try walking people through a bit of preliminary debugging
[08:04] <tjaalton> there are some great examples of that, like for audio and general kernel bugs
[08:05] <tjaalton> though I guess you still need to know what package to file it against
[08:05] <bryceh> yeah I have something there that kicks in if you run 'ubuntu-bug' without specifying a package and select 'graphics'
[08:06] <bryceh> but it's kind of shallow, I think it can be expanded on better
[08:06] <tjaalton> ah, right.. never seen that before :)
[08:07] <bryceh> yeah that's one reason I want to unify all the apport/failsafe stuff into one package, so I can make stuff like that be more widely used
[08:23] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[08:24] <bryceh> heya Sweetshark
[08:30] <Sweetshark> bryceh: penalvch posts a lot of "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"-messages for incomplete LibreOffice bugs like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/758773/comments/5 and I am very thankful for that.
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 758773 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Incomplete]
[08:40] <Sweetshark> pitti: do you know were doko_ is? I was repeatedly trying to get him to prevent my LibreOffice Packaging membership to expire but and still am unsuccessful. I just got the "expires in 24 hours" email.
[08:41] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, he's not shown as being on holiday; so no idea, I'm afraid
[08:49] <bryceh> Sweetshark, awesome :-)
[09:05] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:11] <jbicha> rodrigo_: hi
[09:11] <rodrigo_> hi jbicha, how are you?
[09:12] <jbicha> the gnome-session build for the gnome3 PPA failed, I think debian has fixed the build-deps
[09:12] <jbicha> so I was going to try to play with merging their changes but I can't figure out how to do it
[09:13] <rodrigo_> oh, it failed?
[09:13] <rodrigo_> it built ok here
[09:14] <rodrigo_> jbicha, debian has its own svn -> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/
[09:14] <rodrigo_> jbicha, so you can check it out, and diff it with the ubuntu branch
[09:15] <rodrigo_> and then apply the diffs that make sense
[09:15] <rodrigo_> the parts that make sense, that is
[09:15] <jbicha> well I've never merged before and was I don't know what diff command to use
[09:15] <Sweetshark> it seems a lot of people are reading http://planet.documentfoundation.org judging by the reaction on twitter ...
[09:15] <pitti> Sweetshark: ah, you got some feedback to your post?
[09:16] <jbicha> rodrigo_: I was trying the lp branch but the svn looks better so let me see
[09:16] <rodrigo_> jbicha, not sure if it's the correct way of doing it, but I just use diff command (diff -upr ubuntu_branch_dir debian_branch_dir > tmp.diff) and then review the tmp.diff file and apply what I want
[09:17] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, just a lot of retweets on how to enable lo-menubar. Bracing for the (bugreport) impact right now ;)
[09:20] <pitti> heh, good luck!
[09:31] <jbicha> also something in gdm3 reduces my $PATH to only /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
[09:54] <Sweetshark> pitti: I have two topics I would like to discuss: 1) SRUs for openclipart, openoffice.org transitionals, lo-menubar, libreoffice 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen and how to handle them for uds. Maybe we should mumble sometime today?
[09:55] <pitti> Sweetshark: we can do that right now if you want (in some 3 minutes when I finished my current merge)
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> unity is so simple, even my 18 month old daughter can use it!
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> she's now associated the super key with the dash opening ;)
[10:00] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: f3ar the day when your cat starts to use it ...
[10:04] <pitti> Sweetshark: will you come back to mumble?
[10:05] <pitti> did I fall off the planet or Sweetshark ?
[10:11] <pitti> Sweetshark: back?
[10:11] <Sweetshark> pitti: I only hear static from you.
[10:11] <pitti> hmm
[10:12] <pitti> Sweetshark: still no luck understanding me?
[10:13] <Sweetshark> nope, no joy
[10:13]  * pitti blames the UMTS here
[10:13] <pitti> but it worked just fine a few minutes ago until you disjonied
[10:21] <Riddell> pitti: who can approve specs?
[10:27] <chrisccoulson> linking chromium is immensely painful on my laptop :/
[11:44] <pitti> Sweetshark: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+addspec
[11:47] <pitti> Riddell: (sorry, had long phone call); by default, the team's tech lead; for Kubuntu specs, you are the de-facto TL, so you can approve them as well
[11:47] <pitti> Riddell: if it's one of your specs, you can also ask someone else in the Kubuntu community to review it, like Scott or Harald
[11:48] <Riddell> pitti: actually I ment who can accept them for uds-o
[11:49] <pitti> Riddell: ah; I think ~uds-organizers
[11:49] <pitti> Riddell: throw me some URLs, and I'll accept them
[11:50] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O  but I think rickspencer3 is going to do it
[11:50] <rickspencer3> Riddell, I think it's done
[11:51] <pitti> Riddell: they are all accepted for uds-o already
[11:52] <Riddell> thanks pitti, rickspencer3.  now how do I schedule them?
[11:52] <pitti> rickspencer3: Sweetshark will also add a couple; same question, will they be picked up magically, or do we need to kindly ask someone?
[11:52] <pitti> jcastro mentioned an auto-scheduler this time
[11:55] <pitti> lunch, bbl
[13:17] <soren> When I bring up the Unity dash and type stuff in the search field, what file indexing service does use to present me with file and directory results?
[13:19] <rodrigo_> ok lunch, bbl
[13:19] <soren> It it only stuff from Zeitgeist or does it find everything?
[13:52] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, Considering that language-selector is broken in Natty for Turkish users, how about an SRU while waiting for pygobject-2.28.4? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/natty/pygobject/pygobject-proposed-lp-747796
[13:59] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[13:59] <pitti> GunnarHj: yes, I'll backport the patch as soon as it's approved upstream
[14:01] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok. Will the branch be useful, or should I delete it?
[14:01] <pitti> GunnarHj: once it gets ack'ed upstream, it will be useful
[14:02] <GunnarHj> pitti: Cool.
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, but 643899 is causing me a real headache now :/
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> i wish someone had a way to reproduce it :)
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> **bug
[14:10]  * pitti needs to disappear for a couple of hours to buy some furniture
[14:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i have this vision of you sitting on the floor of an empty room with just your laptop, hacking away ;)
[14:18] <ratcheer> On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently?
[14:28] <ratcheer> Is anyone here?
[14:31] <ratcheer> On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently?
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> ratcheer, you would be better off asking your question in #ubuntu
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> this is a developer channel
[14:36] <ratcheer> chrisccoulson: Sorry. It says on the Launchpad Gnome3 Team page to ask questions, here. I didn't realize I'm not invited.
[14:37] <chrisccoulson> i didn't say you weren't invited. just that this probably isn't the best channel to get support ;)
[14:38] <ratcheer> chrisccoulson: Ok, thank you.
[15:36] <rodrigo_> pitti, seb128: can I add specific work items (specific to a patch in a package) to the gnome3 blueprint?
[15:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey, sure
[15:38] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:38] <rodrigo_> it's because some patches need some work, so I'm disabling them for now
[15:41] <seb128> rodrigo_, not sure that I like to disable them, it reduces the motivation to port it since it doesn't block the upload
[15:42] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, I'm disabling them because the functionality that was patched is no longer present or has been totally rewritten, so needs really a complete rewrite, maybe even in some other module
[15:42] <rodrigo_> the others, I'm just rebasing them, that's why I'm taking longer to do uploads from the gnome3 ppa
[15:42] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, we should have an UDS session about those
[15:43] <rodrigo_> yes, that's why I want to add them somewhere so that they don't get forgotten
[15:43] <seb128> i.e review what got dropped and what we should do about it
[15:43] <rodrigo_> so, can I add them then to the blueprint then?
[15:44] <tabbernuk> Sorry to bother you, but does anybody know a proper answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/37843/where-do-i-place-a-file-for-bookmarks-for-all-users ? Ubuntu adds its default bookmarks to Firefox 4, but what mechanism is used ? I checked /etc/firefox/profile/bookmarks.html is definitely not used anymore...
[15:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[15:44] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, thanks
[15:44] <seb128> rodrigo_, which one is that?
[15:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, for now, 33-datetime-service-ubuntu-ntp.patch and 45_support_new_video_key.patch in g-s-d
[15:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, but I have a couple more in gnome-power-manager
[15:45] <seb128> they both got fixed upstream no?
[15:46] <rodrigo_> I think the ntp thing yes, the other not sure, the code is completely different, and can't really find where that thing is supported
[15:47] <tabbernuk> If I'm asking in a wrong channel, please redirect :D
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623223
[15:49] <ubot2> Gnome bug 623223 in media-keys "Handle video out keys in media-keys" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[15:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, that's the video key bug
[15:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah, ok, one less then :)
[15:50] <seb128> rodrigo_, drop the ntp patch and add a workitem to check ntp is working as it should
[15:50] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[15:50] <seb128> tabbernuk, try #ubuntu
[15:54] <seb128> rodrigo_, you need a ":" after the workitems lines
[15:54] <rodrigo_> ah, sorry
[15:54] <seb128> no worry
[15:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, the format is "title: status" where status default to "todo" when not written
[15:55] <rodrigo_> yes, right
[16:01] <rodrigo_> ok, hopefully now g-s-d is ok for an upload
[16:01]  * rodrigo_ builds
[16:01] <rodrigo_> seb128, can I ask for a review, just in case I missed something or dropped some patch that should stay?
[16:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, can it go alone or does it need to go at the same time as other things?
[16:11] <seb128> rodrigo_, having a review for desktop components could be nice
[16:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, I think g-s-d can go alone
[16:11] <rodrigo_> seb128, you synced libgnomekbd right?
[16:12] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[16:13] <seb128> rodrigo_, well I'm not sure if the 2 libgnomekbd versions conflict
[16:13] <seb128> well it's early in oneiric so we can break things ;-)
[16:13] <rodrigo_> they conflict indeed
[16:13] <rodrigo_> you can only have one of them installed
[16:13] <rodrigo_> but yes, we break things now or never :)
[16:14] <rodrigo_> ok, it builds ok, so pushing to a branch
[16:15] <seb128> feel free to push to ubuntu-desktop vcs
[16:15] <seb128> we can review it there
[16:15] <rodrigo_> ah, ok then
[16:16] <rodrigo_> seb128, do I also upload?
[16:16] <seb128> rodrigo_, if you want feel free but if you want a review before uploading that's fine as well
[16:17] <rodrigo_> yes, i want a review, but I guess I can do any upload later with fixes
[16:17] <rodrigo_> but yes, I'll wait for a review better
[16:19] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, pushed
[16:20] <rodrigo_> as for the build dependencies, seems all are already in oneiric/natty, so I think it can be uploaded, after the review
[16:21] <rodrigo_> also, bzr bd starts complaining about 'oneiric' on changelog, so what was the file to edit to add it?
[16:21] <ricotz> rodrigo_, i think libgnomekbd isnt ready at least not for amd64
[16:21] <rodrigo_> ricotz, oh, why?
[16:22] <rodrigo_> ricotz, running 3.0 here
[16:22] <ricotz> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/2.91.91-2
[16:23] <ricotz> you are running the ppa version?
[16:23] <rodrigo_> ricotz, yes
[16:23] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, debian only has 2.91.92 then?
[16:23]  * rodrigo_ checks
[16:24] <rodrigo_> right, only 2.91.92
[16:24] <rodrigo_> we have 3.0 in the ppa, so I guess we need to sync to debian and then back from debian?
[16:25] <ricotz> rodrigo_, there are a lot of packages waiting for dependencies
[16:25] <rodrigo_> ricotz, in oneiric you mean?
[16:25] <ricotz> yes, oneiric :)
[16:26] <ricotz> which might cause trouble with some build depes
[16:26] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, what did you sync? the ubuntu-desktop branch still has 2.32
[16:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, sync what?
[16:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, syncing is a direct archive copy so it leave the vcs behind
[16:33] <seb128> I didn't update the vcs for the stack of syncs I do
[16:33] <seb128> usually we import the current version in the vcs when we need to divert again
[16:33] <seb128> no point to keep a vcs in sync for autosyncs
[16:34] <seb128> rodrigo_, do we need a newer version than 2.91.92? debian seems to be fine with that one
[16:36] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you plan to rebase on Debian?
[16:37] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, we have 3.0 in the ppa, although no changes really different than debian, except for the version updates
[16:37] <seb128> rodrigo_, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-settings-daemon.html
[16:37] <dpm> heya seb128. We've got a few Nokia Qt people coming to UDS and I've been in touch with them. I e-mailed jasoncwarner to see if you guys wanted to have any sessions scheduled with them, but he hasn't come back to me yet. In the meantime, we scheduled a Qt catch-all discussion session -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/ - do you guys need another session with them, or them to be subscribed to any of your existing sessi
[16:37] <dpm> ons?
[16:38] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, g-s-d upstream just asks for libgnomekbd >= 2.91.1
[16:38] <seb128> rodrigo_, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-settings-daemon/current/changelog
[16:38] <rodrigo_> so should be fine
[16:38] <seb128> dpm, not sure, ask dx and Riddell I guess
[16:39] <seb128> ubuntu-desktop doesn't really use qt out of unity-2d for next cycle
[16:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, well rebasing on debian is basically taking their version, summarizing what we do different and listing those in one changelog update
[16:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, ah
[16:39] <seb128> see what I did for eog
[16:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, I thought it was merging the changes
[16:40] <seb128> usually I diff the debian and ubuntu debian dirs
[16:40] <seb128> take the debian one
[16:40] <seb128> reapply changes we need and describe those as I go
[16:40] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:40] <seb128> it give you basically debian with only real diff over debian and a summary
[16:40] <rodrigo_> I thought we wanted to keep our history
[16:40] <seb128> we can often take their packaging cleanups etc
[16:41] <seb128> well people do merge the changelog and keep the old ubuntu uploads mixed in there
[16:41] <seb128> but we start each cycle by merging on debian
[16:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, I get it
[16:41] <seb128> that's what https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html is about
[16:41] <rodrigo_> I'll do it that way
[16:41] <seb128> thanks
[16:41] <Riddell> dpm: who's coming?
[16:41] <Riddell> from Qt?
[16:41] <seb128> it's a bit extra work but if we do rebase on them once a cycle we divert
[16:41] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, makes sense
[16:42] <dpm> Riddell, the folks listed at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/
[17:26] <jcastro> seb128: if you see jasonwarner can you remind him to check the incoming blueprints in launchpad? He's got a bunch we need to get on the schedule since he started travelling
[17:27] <seb128> jcastro, will do, I've not seen him yet
[17:35] <kenvandine> jcastro, just mention him on twitter, he retweeted robbiew a few minutes ago :)
[17:54] <vish> pitti, seb128: hi, could you change the description in this BP: s/Humanity/Light : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3
[17:54] <vish> Light theme is the murrine based GTK theme
[18:12] <latenite> Hi, how do I add a "auto included footer" to emails in evolution?
[18:55] <Laney> grabbing the gimp merge
[19:21] <jorek> Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to switch the hotkey for the terminal with the one for trash yet the [CTRL]+[ALT] is a pain for me.
[19:50] <Laney> how far does this delta reducing initiative go?
[19:50] <Laney> i'd like to drop one or two largeish changes in this merge:     - List dependencies one line per dependency &     - Add ${misc:Depends} to all packages
[19:54] <cyphermox> Laney, sounds reasonable to me, too
[19:57] <Laney> I just discovered that emerge-files is great for doing merges
[20:22] <fta> jcastro, do you know if someone is working on adding a progress bar for the transmission icon in the unity launcher?
[20:22] <jcastro> fta: I think kklimonda?
[22:05] <Xylch> How do I change the Unity appmenu close/min/max to my themes default?
[22:09] <jbicha> Xylch: I don't know much about that, but that looks like a bug to me that Unity only draws Ambiance or ugly
[22:09] <jbicha> for the window buttons
[22:10] <jbicha> at least Radiance should be supported
[22:12] <Xylch> yea, I am using shiki-colors theme, and I have an ugly placeholder close/max/min icon when maximized
[22:15] <zniavre> Xylch,  you should find this how-to interesting to use your own button with unity
[22:15] <zniavre> the idea is to replace ambiance/radiance metacity files form their folder
[22:18] <zniavre> http://nanabuluku.deviantart.com/art/Orta-pbr-unity-206313533
[22:18] <zniavre> ooops sorry forget the link