=== chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [00:15] pitti: are SRUs which add indicator support accepted? (seeing as some applications just fail to work without their notification area icons, now that unity has that stupid whitelist) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [01:06] new user here - is it common practice to encrypt the home folder? is that most people do? === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [04:59] kenvandine, OK hit me up tomorrow and we can chat about it === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [05:38] Good morning [05:38] hyperair: for SRU I'd rather whitelist them; please file a bug against unity, we just need to keep the pressure up :) [05:39] pitti: heh, okay. i've just uploaded a quicksynergy port to application indicators. if that's not okay, please reject it [05:39] and i'll upload it to oneiric instead [05:40] it shoudl be fixed/tested in oneiric anyawy [05:42] right. [05:42] pitti: reject it from -proposed then [06:03] Hey pitti. [06:04] Hm. I wonder if vmbuilder is waiting for input or whethere it's really bootstrapping a maverick vm. === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [06:21] Maybe these VMs will be built by the time I get back from posting this stuff :). [06:24] RAOF, what are you working on? === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [06:29] bryceh: bug #742683 - the dvorak {deadkeys,nodeadkeys} keymaps conveniently swapped names under us. [06:29] Launchpad bug 742683 in xkeyboard-config "on upgrade, keyboard config changed to use deadkeys" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742683 [06:29] huh, weird [06:29] Yeah. [06:30] you know, it's funny, there is a noticeable drop-off in the quality of bug reports that come in post-release compared with pre-release [06:30] That's pretty much expected, isn't it? [06:30] (come to think of it, there's a similar drop between alpha and beta) [06:30] yeah... just surprising how sudden it is [06:30] :) [06:31] Anyway, me→post office. [07:52] bryceh: do you have a "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?" canned response? [08:03] pitti, now that's a great idea [08:04] pitti, actually, in fact I do have some plans in work to rejigger the X apport scripts a bit to try walking people through a bit of preliminary debugging [08:04] there are some great examples of that, like for audio and general kernel bugs [08:05] though I guess you still need to know what package to file it against [08:05] yeah I have something there that kicks in if you run 'ubuntu-bug' without specifying a package and select 'graphics' [08:06] but it's kind of shallow, I think it can be expanded on better [08:06] ah, right.. never seen that before :) [08:07] yeah that's one reason I want to unify all the apport/failsafe stuff into one package, so I can make stuff like that be more widely used [08:23] Morning all! [08:24] heya Sweetshark [08:30] bryceh: penalvch posts a lot of "Hello, IT, have you tried turning it off and on again?"-messages for incomplete LibreOffice bugs like here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/758773/comments/5 and I am very thankful for that. [08:30] Launchpad bug 758773 in libreoffice "soffice.bin crashed with SIGABRT in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Medium,Incomplete] [08:40] pitti: do you know were doko_ is? I was repeatedly trying to get him to prevent my LibreOffice Packaging membership to expire but and still am unsuccessful. I just got the "expires in 24 hours" email. [08:41] Sweetshark: hm, he's not shown as being on holiday; so no idea, I'm afraid [08:49] Sweetshark, awesome :-) [09:05] morning === cking is now known as cking-afk [09:11] rodrigo_: hi [09:11] hi jbicha, how are you? [09:12] the gnome-session build for the gnome3 PPA failed, I think debian has fixed the build-deps [09:12] so I was going to try to play with merging their changes but I can't figure out how to do it [09:13] oh, it failed? [09:13] it built ok here [09:14] jbicha, debian has its own svn -> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/experimental/ [09:14] jbicha, so you can check it out, and diff it with the ubuntu branch [09:15] and then apply the diffs that make sense [09:15] the parts that make sense, that is [09:15] well I've never merged before and was I don't know what diff command to use [09:15] it seems a lot of people are reading http://planet.documentfoundation.org judging by the reaction on twitter ... [09:15] Sweetshark: ah, you got some feedback to your post? [09:16] rodrigo_: I was trying the lp branch but the svn looks better so let me see [09:16] jbicha, not sure if it's the correct way of doing it, but I just use diff command (diff -upr ubuntu_branch_dir debian_branch_dir > tmp.diff) and then review the tmp.diff file and apply what I want [09:17] pitti: nah, just a lot of retweets on how to enable lo-menubar. Bracing for the (bugreport) impact right now ;) [09:20] heh, good luck! [09:31] also something in gdm3 reduces my $PATH to only /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin [09:54] pitti: I have two topics I would like to discuss: 1) SRUs for openclipart, openoffice.org transitionals, lo-menubar, libreoffice 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen and how to handle them for uds. Maybe we should mumble sometime today? [09:55] Sweetshark: we can do that right now if you want (in some 3 minutes when I finished my current merge) [09:56] unity is so simple, even my 18 month old daughter can use it! [09:56] she's now associated the super key with the dash opening ;) [10:00] chrisccoulson: f3ar the day when your cat starts to use it ... [10:04] Sweetshark: will you come back to mumble? [10:05] did I fall off the planet or Sweetshark ? [10:11] Sweetshark: back? [10:11] pitti: I only hear static from you. [10:11] hmm [10:12] Sweetshark: still no luck understanding me? [10:13] nope, no joy [10:13] * pitti blames the UMTS here [10:13] but it worked just fine a few minutes ago until you disjonied [10:21] pitti: who can approve specs? [10:27] linking chromium is immensely painful on my laptop :/ === cking-afk is now known as cking === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [11:44] Sweetshark: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+addspec [11:47] Riddell: (sorry, had long phone call); by default, the team's tech lead; for Kubuntu specs, you are the de-facto TL, so you can approve them as well [11:47] Riddell: if it's one of your specs, you can also ask someone else in the Kubuntu community to review it, like Scott or Harald [11:48] pitti: actually I ment who can accept them for uds-o [11:49] Riddell: ah; I think ~uds-organizers [11:49] Riddell: throw me some URLs, and I'll accept them [11:50] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O but I think rickspencer3 is going to do it [11:50] Riddell, I think it's done [11:51] Riddell: they are all accepted for uds-o already [11:52] thanks pitti, rickspencer3. now how do I schedule them? [11:52] rickspencer3: Sweetshark will also add a couple; same question, will they be picked up magically, or do we need to kindly ask someone? [11:52] jcastro mentioned an auto-scheduler this time [11:55] lunch, bbl [13:17] When I bring up the Unity dash and type stuff in the search field, what file indexing service does use to present me with file and directory results? [13:19] ok lunch, bbl [13:19] It it only stuff from Zeitgeist or does it find everything? [13:52] pitti: Hi Martin, Considering that language-selector is broken in Natty for Turkish users, how about an SRU while waiting for pygobject-2.28.4? https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/natty/pygobject/pygobject-proposed-lp-747796 [13:59] hey GunnarHj [13:59] GunnarHj: yes, I'll backport the patch as soon as it's approved upstream [14:01] pitti: Ok. Will the branch be useful, or should I delete it? [14:01] GunnarHj: once it gets ack'ed upstream, it will be useful [14:02] pitti: Cool. [14:02] hmmm, but 643899 is causing me a real headache now :/ [14:02] i wish someone had a way to reproduce it :) [14:03] **bug [14:10] * pitti needs to disappear for a couple of hours to buy some furniture [14:12] pitti - i have this vision of you sitting on the floor of an empty room with just your laptop, hacking away ;) [14:18] On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently? [14:28] Is anyone here? [14:31] On my main Ubuntu Natty installation running Gnome3 and gnome-shell, my Firefox icon keeps turning to a generic icon. Yesterday, I fixed it by changing my icon theme from adwaita to unity-icon-theme, logging off, and logging back on. However, I had to reboot this morning, and the Firefox icon was back to generic. How can I fix the icon, permanently? [14:34] ratcheer, you would be better off asking your question in #ubuntu [14:34] this is a developer channel [14:36] chrisccoulson: Sorry. It says on the Launchpad Gnome3 Team page to ask questions, here. I didn't realize I'm not invited. [14:37] i didn't say you weren't invited. just that this probably isn't the best channel to get support ;) [14:38] chrisccoulson: Ok, thank you. [15:36] pitti, seb128: can I add specific work items (specific to a patch in a package) to the gnome3 blueprint? [15:37] rodrigo_, hey, sure [15:38] ok [15:38] it's because some patches need some work, so I'm disabling them for now [15:41] rodrigo_, not sure that I like to disable them, it reduces the motivation to port it since it doesn't block the upload [15:42] seb128, well, I'm disabling them because the functionality that was patched is no longer present or has been totally rewritten, so needs really a complete rewrite, maybe even in some other module [15:42] the others, I'm just rebasing them, that's why I'm taking longer to do uploads from the gnome3 ppa [15:42] rodrigo_, ok, we should have an UDS session about those [15:43] yes, that's why I want to add them somewhere so that they don't get forgotten [15:43] i.e review what got dropped and what we should do about it [15:43] so, can I add them then to the blueprint then? [15:44] Sorry to bother you, but does anybody know a proper answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/37843/where-do-i-place-a-file-for-bookmarks-for-all-users ? Ubuntu adds its default bookmarks to Firefox 4, but what mechanism is used ? I checked /etc/firefox/profile/bookmarks.html is definitely not used anymore... [15:44] rodrigo_, yes [15:44] seb128, ok, thanks [15:44] rodrigo_, which one is that? [15:45] seb128, for now, 33-datetime-service-ubuntu-ntp.patch and 45_support_new_video_key.patch in g-s-d [15:45] seb128, but I have a couple more in gnome-power-manager [15:45] they both got fixed upstream no? [15:46] I think the ntp thing yes, the other not sure, the code is completely different, and can't really find where that thing is supported [15:47] If I'm asking in a wrong channel, please redirect :D [15:49] rodrigo_, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623223 [15:49] Gnome bug 623223 in media-keys "Handle video out keys in media-keys" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:49] rodrigo_, that's the video key bug [15:49] seb128, ah, ok, one less then :) [15:50] rodrigo_, drop the ntp patch and add a workitem to check ntp is working as it should [15:50] seb128, ok [15:50] tabbernuk, try #ubuntu [15:54] rodrigo_, you need a ":" after the workitems lines [15:54] ah, sorry [15:54] no worry [15:55] rodrigo_, the format is "title: status" where status default to "todo" when not written [15:55] yes, right [16:01] ok, hopefully now g-s-d is ok for an upload [16:01] * rodrigo_ builds [16:01] seb128, can I ask for a review, just in case I missed something or dropped some patch that should stay? [16:10] rodrigo_, can it go alone or does it need to go at the same time as other things? [16:11] rodrigo_, having a review for desktop components could be nice [16:11] seb128, I think g-s-d can go alone [16:11] seb128, you synced libgnomekbd right? [16:12] rodrigo_, yes [16:13] rodrigo_, well I'm not sure if the 2 libgnomekbd versions conflict [16:13] well it's early in oneiric so we can break things ;-) [16:13] they conflict indeed [16:13] you can only have one of them installed [16:13] but yes, we break things now or never :) [16:14] ok, it builds ok, so pushing to a branch [16:15] feel free to push to ubuntu-desktop vcs [16:15] we can review it there [16:15] ah, ok then [16:16] seb128, do I also upload? [16:16] rodrigo_, if you want feel free but if you want a review before uploading that's fine as well [16:17] yes, i want a review, but I guess I can do any upload later with fixes [16:17] but yes, I'll wait for a review better [16:19] seb128, ok, pushed [16:20] as for the build dependencies, seems all are already in oneiric/natty, so I think it can be uploaded, after the review [16:21] also, bzr bd starts complaining about 'oneiric' on changelog, so what was the file to edit to add it? [16:21] rodrigo_, i think libgnomekbd isnt ready at least not for amd64 [16:21] ricotz, oh, why? [16:22] ricotz, running 3.0 here [16:22] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgnomekbd/2.91.91-2 [16:23] you are running the ppa version? [16:23] ricotz, yes [16:23] seb128, so, debian only has 2.91.92 then? [16:23] * rodrigo_ checks [16:24] right, only 2.91.92 [16:24] we have 3.0 in the ppa, so I guess we need to sync to debian and then back from debian? [16:25] rodrigo_, there are a lot of packages waiting for dependencies [16:25] ricotz, in oneiric you mean? [16:25] yes, oneiric :) [16:26] which might cause trouble with some build depes [16:26] seb128, so, what did you sync? the ubuntu-desktop branch still has 2.32 [16:32] rodrigo_, sync what? [16:32] rodrigo_, yeah, syncing is a direct archive copy so it leave the vcs behind [16:33] I didn't update the vcs for the stack of syncs I do [16:33] usually we import the current version in the vcs when we need to divert again [16:33] no point to keep a vcs in sync for autosyncs [16:34] rodrigo_, do we need a newer version than 2.91.92? debian seems to be fine with that one [16:36] rodrigo_, do you plan to rebase on Debian? [16:37] seb128, well, we have 3.0 in the ppa, although no changes really different than debian, except for the version updates [16:37] rodrigo_, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-settings-daemon.html [16:37] heya seb128. We've got a few Nokia Qt people coming to UDS and I've been in touch with them. I e-mailed jasoncwarner to see if you guys wanted to have any sessions scheduled with them, but he hasn't come back to me yet. In the meantime, we scheduled a Qt catch-all discussion session -> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/ - do you guys need another session with them, or them to be subscribed to any of your existing sessi [16:37] ons? [16:38] seb128, yes, g-s-d upstream just asks for libgnomekbd >= 2.91.1 [16:38] rodrigo_, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-settings-daemon/current/changelog [16:38] so should be fine [16:38] dpm, not sure, ask dx and Riddell I guess [16:39] ubuntu-desktop doesn't really use qt out of unity-2d for next cycle [16:39] rodrigo_, well rebasing on debian is basically taking their version, summarizing what we do different and listing those in one changelog update [16:39] seb128, ah [16:39] see what I did for eog [16:39] seb128, I thought it was merging the changes [16:40] usually I diff the debian and ubuntu debian dirs [16:40] take the debian one [16:40] reapply changes we need and describe those as I go [16:40] ok [16:40] it give you basically debian with only real diff over debian and a summary [16:40] I thought we wanted to keep our history [16:40] we can often take their packaging cleanups etc [16:41] well people do merge the changelog and keep the old ubuntu uploads mixed in there [16:41] but we start each cycle by merging on debian [16:41] seb128, ok, I get it [16:41] that's what https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html is about [16:41] I'll do it that way [16:41] thanks [16:41] dpm: who's coming? [16:41] from Qt? [16:41] it's a bit extra work but if we do rebase on them once a cycle we divert [16:41] seb128, yes, makes sense [16:42] Riddell, the folks listed at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel/ [17:26] seb128: if you see jasonwarner can you remind him to check the incoming blueprints in launchpad? He's got a bunch we need to get on the schedule since he started travelling [17:27] jcastro, will do, I've not seen him yet === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [17:35] jcastro, just mention him on twitter, he retweeted robbiew a few minutes ago :) === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic [17:54] pitti, seb128: hi, could you change the description in this BP: s/Humanity/Light : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gtk3-gnome3 [17:54] Light theme is the murrine based GTK theme [18:12] Hi, how do I add a "auto included footer" to emails in evolution? === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [18:55] grabbing the gimp merge === marrusl is now known as marrusl_afk [19:21] Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to switch the hotkey for the terminal with the one for trash yet the [CTRL]+[ALT] is a pain for me. [19:50] how far does this delta reducing initiative go? [19:50] i'd like to drop one or two largeish changes in this merge: - List dependencies one line per dependency & - Add ${misc:Depends} to all packages [19:54] Laney, sounds reasonable to me, too [19:57] I just discovered that emerge-files is great for doing merges === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [20:22] jcastro, do you know if someone is working on adding a progress bar for the transmission icon in the unity launcher? [20:22] fta: I think kklimonda? [22:05] How do I change the Unity appmenu close/min/max to my themes default? [22:09] Xylch: I don't know much about that, but that looks like a bug to me that Unity only draws Ambiance or ugly [22:09] for the window buttons [22:10] at least Radiance should be supported [22:12] yea, I am using shiki-colors theme, and I have an ugly placeholder close/max/min icon when maximized [22:15] Xylch, you should find this how-to interesting to use your own button with unity [22:15] the idea is to replace ambiance/radiance metacity files form their folder [22:18] http://nanabuluku.deviantart.com/art/Orta-pbr-unity-206313533 [22:18] ooops sorry forget the link