[01:05] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[02:17] <jbicha> hi, how are things
[02:27] <j1mc> hi jbicha
[02:51] <Captainkrtek> good
[02:51] <Captainkrtek> you?
[02:53] <j1mc> hey all - would appreciate input on this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-ubuntu-docs-strategy
[02:53] <j1mc> i'm putting together another one for short-term goals, and will provide that link shortly.
[02:56] <Captainkrtek> ill take a look j1mc
[02:56] <j1mc> thanks, Captainkrtek
[02:58] <Captainkrtek> I have a little bit of feedback in terms of on-disk v. online
[02:58] <j1mc> sure
[02:58] <Captainkrtek> I think all of it (or most) should be on disk
[02:58] <Captainkrtek> in regards to all things UI, and stuff like connecting to the internet
[02:59] <Captainkrtek> but for other documentation involving online technology it should be online
[02:59] <Captainkrtek> to save space and only include necessary files, and maybe offer on installation levels of documentation you want included
[02:59] <Captainkrtek> just a few ideas
[02:59] <j1mc> thanks, Captainkrtek
[02:59] <Captainkrtek> sure :)
[03:00] <Captainkrtek> also think the team needs more meetings
[03:00] <j1mc> yeah
[03:00] <Captainkrtek> but i've only been here a week ;)
[03:00] <j1mc> :)
[03:00] <Captainkrtek> do we have a sort of calendar?
[03:01] <Captainkrtek> with deadlines (aside from release deadlines)
[03:02] <j1mc> the only thing we have is something that identifies the string freeze deadline.
[03:02] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[03:03] <j1mc> but we should have one once we set our goals for the release.
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> maybe do some more time management to have it all planned out along the way
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> IE: get all Unity docs done by x/y/yy
[03:03] <Captainkrtek> and so on
[03:05] <Captainkrtek> oh also, when I get done with some other work I'm going to get to work on some more ubuntu docs, anything specific you need done or where I should focus my time?
[03:07] <j1mc> hmmm... i suppose that now that we're in a soft string freeze...
[03:07] <j1mc> it would be good to look ahead a bit
[03:07] <Captainkrtek> okay
[03:08] <Captainkrtek> is a oneiric branch up yet?
[03:08] <j1mc> maybe review the oneiric goal wiki page and start thinking about what areas may interest you.
[03:08] <Captainkrtek> okay :)
[03:08] <j1mc> there is a link to it from the blueprint
[03:08] <Captainkrtek> also have we decided on what to do with the server area?
[03:08] <Captainkrtek> err server docs
[03:09] <j1mc> yes, it looks like they'll be in their own branch
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> cool
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> do we have a team for them already
[03:10] <j1mc> i think it's mostly one person
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> hmm might be interested in joining them
[03:11] <Captainkrtek> I know a little bit about Ubuntu Server
[03:14] <j1mc> sounds good. it can be hard to find your niche at first, so . . . it's ok to try a couple of different areas.
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> I like technical writing
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> I'm a writer for a site that gets a few million hits a month, that plus helping people is what I do :)
[03:14] <j1mc> what's the name of the site?
[03:14] <Captainkrtek> xda-developers.com
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> site gets roughly 10,000 new members a day
[03:15] <j1mc> neat
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> Im also site staff their (Senior Moderator)
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> if you need your phone rooted :)
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> let me know
[03:15] <j1mc> :)
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> you use android?
[03:16] <j1mc> yes, but just have a tmobile mytouch. it's almost two years old, and is slow.
[03:16] <j1mc> i need to work on that other blueprint, but i'll be back later.
[03:16] <Captainkrtek> put CyanogenMod on it
[03:16] <Captainkrtek> k :)
[03:22] <Captainkrtek> mdke, is work needed on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/oneiric-testing
[03:26] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: also, GNOME upstream can use a bunch of help
[03:26] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, where is that located
[03:26] <jbicha> there's quite a few apps that don't have Mallard help yet, and we use almost all of their stuff so it definitely still helps Ubuntu
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> I'd be glad to help :-) just point me in the direction
[03:27] <jbicha> httpshttp://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs is their User Guide
[03:27] <jbicha> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-user-docs
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> ahh git
[03:27] <Captainkrtek> I actually prefer bzr over git
[03:27] <jbicha> but help for individual programs is spread ouut
[03:28] <jbicha> I thought you said you preferred git?
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> meh
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> after using bzr I like bzr better I think
[03:28] <jbicha> and if you have questions, see #docs on irc.gnome.org
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> okay great
[03:28] <Captainkrtek> is it integrated into launchpad?
[03:29] <jbicha> no, not really, not for this
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> oh nevermind, found em
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> https://launchpad.net/gnome-user-docs
[03:29] <Captainkrtek> ?
[03:29] <jbicha> I think it would be best to work in git rather than through a layer of abstraction
[03:29] <j1mc> Captainkrtek: it is a different irc network, but you can join the #docs channel on irc.gnome.org
[03:30] <Captainkrtek> okay
[03:30] <j1mc> Captainkrtek: also: http://live.gnome.org/DocumentationProject
[03:30] <j1mc> look for apps that need user help
[03:31] <j1mc> rather, updated user help
[03:31] <jbicha> http://live.gnome.org/Git/Developers
[03:31] <Captainkrtek> thanks :)
[03:31] <jbicha> a Fedora 15 VM can help you see which Gnome 3 apps have the older help too
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> cool
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> ill set one up shortly
[03:32] <Captainkrtek> so we are good for now though in ubuntu-docs?
[03:33] <jbicha> you might be able to clean up net-wireless-troubleshooting-device-drivers
[03:33] <Captainkrtek> sure
[03:33] <jbicha> it's the final page in the wireless troubleshooting guide
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> wasn't that a clone of another file or something like that?
[03:34] <jbicha> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide/Drivers
[03:34] <jbicha> I believe that's what you should be using to fill in that page
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> okay
[03:34] <Captainkrtek> so just format it for mallard
[03:35] <jbicha> basically and make it work nice, j1mc ported the rest of the guide for the docs I believe
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> cool
[03:35] <Captainkrtek> yeah I'll include links and such
[03:37] <jbicha> and then you could use that as your first patch to gnome if you like
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> :)
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> my launchpad only shows work in Gnome-Documentation
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> https://launchpad.net/~steven.richards
[03:48] <j1mc> Captainkrtek: that's because we've been doing the ubuntu docs under the gnome-user-docs branch
[03:48] <j1mc> that will change for the next release when we move the docs over to ubuntu-docs
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> okay gotcha
[03:50] <Captainkrtek> was a bit confused
[03:51] <Captainkrtek> wow 40 karma in a few days!
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, almost done porting the last wireless guide
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha quick question
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> writing up the doc, and ran into a little bump, im trying to add a little code block, but the block has <tags> in it
[05:19] <Captainkrtek> and mallard thinks they are actual tags
[05:19] <jbicha> what do you mean tags? why are you using them?
[05:20] <Captainkrtek> trying to do
 blacklist <drivername> </code></p>
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> but <drivername> is the actual text
[05:21] <jbicha> you can't use < >  in xml, you have to substitute it, let me look up the code
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[05:21] <Captainkrtek> I looked in mallard
[05:22] <Captainkrtek> couldn't find much
[05:26] <jbicha> &lt;
[05:26] <jbicha> &gt;
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> thanks ;)
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> where'd you find that?
[05:27] <jbicha> there's 5 special ones you have to watch out for in XML
[05:27] <jbicha> near the bottom of https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Character_encodings_in_HTML
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> thanks
[05:27] <Captainkrtek> bookmarked
[05:28] <Captainkrtek> if you're going to be around for 20~30 minutes ill have this page committed
[05:32] <jbicha> ok cool
[05:33] <jbicha> I'm tracking down a bug I found in the gnome3 packaging
[05:33] <Captainkrtek> fun :P
[05:33] <Captainkrtek> im actually almost done with this doc. eta 1 minute heh
[05:36] <Captainkrtek> damn this was a huge doc to port
[05:42] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1561
[05:42] <Captainkrtek> Im off to make some dinner, brb ~20 minutes
[06:30] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, how's that bug coming?
[06:30] <jbicha> slow, something in GDM 3 is messing with my $PATH
[06:30] <Captainkrtek> that sucks
[06:30] <jbicha> something with Xsession
[06:30] <Captainkrtek> I committed the last troubleshooting doc to my repo
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1561
[06:31] <jbicha> yes I saw and I'll commit by morning
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> okay great :)
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> back to tex
[06:31] <jbicha> if I don't figure the bug out I at least have enough info for someone else though
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:32] <jbicha> it's kind of fun when I'm able to figure them out, I've fixed several gnome3 Ubuntu things
[06:32] <Captainkrtek> nice :)
[06:32] <Captainkrtek> bug hunting is fun
[06:32] <Captainkrtek> im editing the ubuntu manual now
[21:31] <j1mc> mdke: your day job ... you're a lawyer of some sorts, aren't you?
[21:31] <j1mc> i know phill bull is a physics ph.d. student
[21:32] <j1mc> and shaunm is a professional mastermind documentation hacker
[21:32] <j1mc> godbyk: do you have a day job? i'm trying to get info about our diversity for the open week session
[21:38] <godbyk> j1mc: Of a sort. I'm a PhD student.
[21:47] <issyl0> Hi there.
[21:49] <j1mc> godbyk: cool. what are you studying?
[21:50] <issyl0> Ooh, the Open Week session is 17:00 UTC on Thursday?  I should be able to attend then.
[21:50] <j1mc> issyl0: great!
[21:51] <j1mc> godbyk: i will mention the ubuntu manual in the session. even though you're a separate project, you all still write user help for Ubuntu.
[21:51] <issyl0> And if you want another for your "docs team diversity": college student, studying computing and French, interested in documentation, the English language, programming.
[21:51] <issyl0> (Though I don't know if I'm considered a member of the docs team...)
[21:52] <j1mc> issyl0: cool. i can include that, too.
[21:52] <issyl0> (I'm probably not [yet, sadly].  I'm involved in the Ubuntu Manual though!  :-))
[21:52] <j1mc> fair enough :)
[21:53] <issyl0> I do try.  :-)
[22:55] <Captainkrtek> hello
[23:16] <Captainkrtek> hey j1mc
[23:30] <j1mc> hi Captainkrtek
[23:30] <Captainkrtek> hola
[23:32] <j1mc> i am headed out to get some pita bread and then listen to bob dylan at a friends house. :)
[23:32] <j1mc> s/friends/friend's
[23:33] <Captainkrtek> sounds good
[23:33] <Captainkrtek> enjoy your day :-)
[23:33] <j1mc> you, too!
[23:33] <Captainkrtek> thanks :)
[23:35] <Captainkrtek> hey JasonO
[23:36] <JasonO> Hi Captainkrtek