[16:50] <zul> morning
[16:53] <zul> who is suppose to be running the meeting today?
[17:00]  * kirkland waves o/
[17:00] <kirkland> zul: smoser i think
[17:01] <RoAkSoAx> o/
[17:01] <jamespage> \o
[17:03] <hallyn> \o
[17:05] <kirkland> according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting, smoser is up
[17:05] <kirkland> and zul after him
[17:05] <kirkland> perhaps zul might take over for smoser?
[17:05] <zul> right..
[17:05] <zul> #startmeeting
[17:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:05. The chair is zul.
[17:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:06] <zul> lemme just pull up the agenda
[17:07] <zul> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[17:07] <zul> I wasnt here last week so was their anything in the agenda?
[17:08] <zul> if not ill move on
[17:08] <zul> [TOPIC] Oneiric Development
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Development
[17:08] <zul> if you have blueprints get them registered for next week other than that
[17:08] <zul> Daviey: anything?
[17:09] <zul> i guess not :)
[17:09] <kirkland> zul: this is going to be a quick/easy meeting :-)
[17:09] <zul> i intend it to be :)
[17:10] <zul> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu Server Team Events
[17:10] <zul> duh....uds is next week
[17:10] <zul> anything else?
[17:10] <zul> openstack and puppetcamp were last week..
[17:11] <zul> which brings us to
[17:11] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[17:11] <zul> hi hggdh if you are around
[17:11] <Daviey> (sorry people, currently on a train - poor net access)
[17:12] <zul> poor excuse :)
[17:12] <zul> we'll come back to hgddh
[17:12] <Daviey> zul: Can i just jump back to development whilst we wait for hggdh ?
[17:12] <zul> sure
[17:12] <Daviey> Merge, Merge, Merge!
[17:12] <Daviey> This is a great time for anyone to get involved in development.
[17:13] <hallyn> do we have a place to list things we want synced?
[17:13] <kirkland> hallyn: generally speaking, merges.ubuntu.com
[17:13] <zul> i got a script that tells you which to merge
[17:13] <Daviey> There are lots and lots of things to be done!
[17:13] <Daviey> (note, some merges can be simply dropped and sync'd)
[17:13] <kirkland> hallyn: see https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html and https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[17:13] <Daviey> https://merges.ubuntu.com/
[17:14] <Daviey> pah, beat me.
[17:14] <RoAkSoAx> zul: share the scrip please
[17:14] <Daviey> zul: Is that the script i worked on with you last cycle, or a different one?
[17:14]  * kirkland waves at Daviey as he's 2 steps behind :-)
[17:14] <zul> heh already behind
[17:14] <hallyn> sweet, thanks
[17:14] <Daviey> kirkland: I have an excuse, went through a tunnel! :)
[17:14] <hallyn> I still have a backlog of bugs that were waiting for o to open :)
[17:14] <zul> Daviey: same one
[17:14] <Daviey> zul: cool
[17:15] <zul> Daviey: can you put that script up somewhere
[17:15] <hallyn> has anyone on the team ever looked at netcf integration?  (might consider it for oneiric)
[17:15] <Daviey> zul: It's on a box @ home which is off... so not until after UDS.  Do you have yours handy?
[17:15] <Daviey> zul: Including the changelog output?
[17:16] <zul> Daviey: not the changelog output one
[17:16] <zul> http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/versions.py
[17:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/versions.py
[17:17] <hallyn> -EPERM
[17:17] <zul> doh
[17:17] <zul> fixed
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> zul: 011-05-03 12:17:11 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[17:17] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[17:17] <zul> Daviey: is that all you have?
[17:18] <zul> ok moving on
[17:18] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[17:18] <zul> hi smb if you are around
[17:19] <smb> I don't have any highlights but I am around if there are questions
[17:19] <zul> anyone has any questions?
[17:20] <zul> ok then thanks smb
[17:20] <smb> :)
[17:20] <zul> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[17:20] <zul> kim0 is not around
[17:21] <zul> so moving on
[17:21] <zul> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[17:21] <zul> anyone has anything they want to get off their chest?
[17:21] <RoAkSoAx> zul: I think we should welcom adam_g for oficially joining the ubuntu server team
[17:21] <RoAkSoAx> as of today
[17:22] <zul> oh right...adam_g around?
[17:22] <adam_g> hi :)
[17:22] <zul> oooh freshmeat is around :)
[17:22] <zul> hi welcome
[17:22] <adam_g> thanx, zul. excited to be here
[17:23] <jamespage> adam_g: o/
[17:23] <zul> anything else?
[17:24] <Daviey> Hi ad	!
[17:24] <zul> no?
[17:24] <zul> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[17:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[17:24] <Daviey> Hi: adam_g, rather
[17:24] <zul> since its uds next week there wont be a meeting next week since we will all be destroying our livers, i mean at uds
[17:25] <zul> thanks for coming
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> hahaha
[17:25] <zul> #endmeeting
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> zul: +1
[17:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:25.
[17:25] <Daviey> o/
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> where's SpampS
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> ?
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> xD
[17:25] <Daviey> short meetings ++
[17:25] <RoAkSoAx> SpamapS: zul was just talking about destroying livers next week xD
[17:28] <SpamapS> Ah good
[17:28]  * SpamapS has a few ideas for the best ways to do that
[17:28] <SpamapS> I thought the meeting had been cancelled.. oops
[17:29] <zul> next week i think
[17:35] <hggdh> Daviey: sorry, taking care of my wife
[17:38] <Daviey> hggdh: no worries... that is more importiant than trying to QA oneiric atm :)
[17:38] <Daviey> (well at any time for that matter)
[20:11] <highvoltage> hi!
[20:12] <highvoltage> stgraber: derp. isn't 20:00 UTC 16:00 for us now?
[20:13] <stgraber> maybe my zimbra is wrong :)
[20:13] <stgraber> highvoltage: yep, it's in 47 minutes ... bad zimbra ;)
[20:13] <charlie-tca> 19:13 UTC now
[20:58] <Andy80> hi all, is the EMEA Ubuntu Members meeting confirmed ?
[20:59] <popey> hello Andy80
[20:59] <popey> should be on momentarily :)
[20:59]  * stgraber waves
[20:59] <highvoltage> hi
[21:00] <the_eye_> Greetings from greece
[21:00] <AndreaAzzarone> hi!
[21:00] <Andy80> ok, thanks :)
[21:00] <michael_k> Hello from Greece, too
[21:00] <jim137> Hello from Greece, too
[21:01] <dim0s> Hello!(From Greece!)
[21:01] <Andy80> hi AndreaAzzarone :)
[21:02] <highvoltage> do we have quorum?
[21:02]  * popey called czajkowski, her phone is off
[21:03]  * popey tickles ogra 
[21:03] <popey> yay, hello iulian
[21:03] <iulian> Hey there Alan!
[21:04] <highvoltage> I can't chair, I have another issue that I'm dealing with at the same time.
[21:05] <popey> ok, i can
[21:05] <popey> #startmeeting
[21:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:05. The chair is popey.
[21:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:05] <popey> who is here form the EMEA Board?
[21:05] <popey> o/
[21:05] <highvoltage> o/
[21:05] <stefanos> Hello from Greece, again
[21:05] <stgraber> o/
[21:05] <iulian> o/
[21:05] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[21:05] <stgraber> ok, 4/7, we have quorum
[21:05]  * ogra_ laughs
[21:05] <popey> We will go through the people on that list in order
[21:05]  * popey hugs ogra 
[21:05] <popey> and ogra_
[21:06] <stgraber> hey ogra_
[21:06] <iulian> Hehe.
[21:06] <iulian> ogra: That was a delayed laugh.
[21:06] <popey> Andy80: you're up first, can you please introduce yourself?
[21:06] <Andy80> popey: sure :)
[21:07] <Andy80> my name is Andrea Grandi, I'm 30 yr old and italian. I use Ubuntu since its first version in 2004 and I'm a Linux user since 1996.
[21:07]  * iulian notices loads of italians on the agenda today.
[21:07] <Andy80> I'm president of "Pistoia Linux User Group", a local (Pistoia is the city where I live) Linux user group, founded in 2001
[21:07] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaGrandi
[21:07] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi
[21:08] <Andy80> we meet once a week and people come to our location and we help them directly for any Linux problem/question
[21:08] <popey> wow, once a week!
[21:08] <Andy80> (tell me when it's enough and I've to stop introducing myself :) )
[21:09] <Andy80> yeah... we have the luck to have a room with some PC, internet connection and lot of space (we also have a dedicated room where we make tutorials/courses ecc...)
[21:09] <popey> Are you involved in the Italian testing team at all?
[21:09] <popey> They seem very successful.
[21:10] <Andy80> popey: not exactly..... I neither use the italian version of the operating system
[21:10]  * highvoltage has not questions
[21:10] <Andy80> I prefer to use the english version for a main reason: when I've a problem, it's easier to google the error message in english :)
[21:10] <popey> You can still test the English version :)
[21:11] <iulian> Andy80: Except the LUG stuff, what are your contributions to Ubuntu?  Are you a member of a LoCo team?  In what ways are you contributing to Ubuntu?
[21:11] <Andy80> when I find some bug I like to report it, test the fix ecc.... but, as I already said, I'm mainly active in helping people directly here at our LUG
[21:11] <ogra_> it would be good if you could list your bugs on the wiki
[21:11]  * iulian nods.
[21:11] <Andy80> iulian: well.... reporting bugs mainly... spreading Ubuntu during conferences we organize ecc..... and no, I'm not member of a LoCo team
[21:12] <Andy80> oh... I just linked my Launchpad profile https://launchpad.net/~andreagrandi it should contains all my contributions.... does it?
[21:12] <popey> yeah, i posted that earlier, no problem
[21:12] <popey> Any more questions?
[21:13]  * iulian has no more questions.
[21:13]  * ogra_ neither
[21:13] <popey> Ok
[21:13] <popey> We're going to vote in a moment on Andy80's membership, only those in the EMEA board are to vote.
[21:13] <popey> [VOTE] On the membership of Andy80
[21:13] <MootBot> Please vote on:  On the membership of Andy80.
[21:13] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:13] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:13] <popey> -1
[21:13] <MootBot> -1 received from popey. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:13] <highvoltage> +0 [ Good enthusiasm and free software contributions, but no documentation of sustained and significant contributions within Ubuntu yet ]
[21:13] <MootBot> Abstention received from highvoltage. 0 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:14] <popey> I'm not seeing a evidence of a significant and sustained contribution on the wiki page.
[21:14] <stgraber> -1 [ Would have liked some testimonials and more documentation ]
[21:14] <MootBot> -1 received from stgraber. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:14] <ogra_> +0 [some testimonial would be good and some more details about contributions]
[21:14] <MootBot> Abstention received from ogra_. 0 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:14] <AndreaAzzarone> +1
[21:14] <MootBot> +1 received from AndreaAzzarone. 1 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -1
[21:14] <iulian> -1 from me - I would very much like to see more contributions to Ubuntu.  I see that you're doing loads of good work in organizing meetings and that kind of stuff but it's not enough.
[21:14] <MootBot> -1 received from iulian. 1 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2
[21:14] <popey> grrr AndreaAzzarone
[21:15] <popey> [ENDVOTE]
[21:15] <MootBot> Final result is 1 for, 3 against. 2 abstained. Total: -2
[21:15] <AndreaAzzarone> popey, why? :)
[21:15] <popey> ok, not successful this time Andy80
[21:15] <highvoltage> so that's really a -3, right?
[21:15] <ogra_> yes
[21:15] <popey> AndreaAzzarone: only members of the EMEA board are to vote
[21:15] <popey> i.e. not you :)
[21:15] <iulian> AndreaAzzarone: <popey> We're going to vote in a moment on Andy80's membership, only those in the EMEA board are to vote.
[21:15] <Andy80> ok, thanks anyway :)
[21:15] <popey> thanks Andy80
[21:16] <popey> valix is up next, are you here?
[21:16] <highvoltage> Andy80: thanks, I'm sure we'll see you be an ubuntu member one day
[21:16] <valix> popey, yes
[21:16] <AndreaAzzarone> popey, sorry!
[21:16] <popey> great, please introduce yourself valix
[21:16] <valix> Hi, my name is Alberto Russo aka valix, and I'm Ubuntu-it Member since March 2010.
[21:16] <highvoltage> ah so that's where Puglia is
[21:16] <valix> My wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlbertoRusso and my account in launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~valix.
[21:17] <valix> I contribute in several Ubuntu Italian Community projects, like the Ubuntu Italian Marketing Team and the Ubuntu Italian Testing Team.
[21:17] <valix> In particular I'm a Administrator of Italian Newsletter and Italian SpreadUbuntu Project.
[21:17] <popey> Nice testimonials you have there.
[21:17] <iulian> highvoltage: Puglia?
[21:17] <valix> I finished.
[21:18] <totopalma> Alberto is very active in the Ubuntu Italian Marketing (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione), particularly in the projects Diffondi Ubuntu (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/DiffondiUbuntu) and Newsletter Italiana (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/NewsletterItaliana); further, he actively contributes in the Gruppo Test (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest). Therefore he really deserves the membership, in my opinion! :)
[21:18] <valix> highvoltage, Puglia is a region of South of Italy
[21:18] <popey> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti/11.04 shows the work valix has done on the Italian Testing Team
[21:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoTest/Casi/Svolti/11.04 shows the work valix has done on the Italian Testing Team
[21:19] <highvoltage> valix: if you could change one thing in Ubuntu, what would that be?
[21:19] <valix> highvoltage, nice question
[21:20] <popey> "switch to xfce" by the look of the testing you've done :D
[21:20] <ogra_> geez, thats an impressive test list
[21:21]  * ogra_ has no questions
[21:22]  * iulian has no questions either.
[21:22] <popey> valix: still there?
[21:22] <popey> or typing a massive answer... :)
[21:22] <valix> highvoltage, I don't like banshee as default player, I would rather get back to rythmbox
[21:22]  * stgraber is ready to vote
[21:22]  * highvoltage too
[21:22] <ogra_> o/
[21:22] <popey> ok
[21:23] <popey> again, we're going to vote. ONLY EMEA MEMBERSHIP BOARD MEMBERS VOTE (pretty please)
[21:23] <popey> [VOTE] on valix's membership
[21:23] <MootBot> Please vote on:  on valix's membership.
[21:23] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:23] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:23] <popey> +1
[21:23] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:23] <iulian> +0
[21:23] <MootBot> Abstention received from iulian. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:23] <highvoltage> =1 [ goot testing and documentation/marketing efforts ]
[21:23] <popey> love the testing work, nice testimonials from your team
[21:23] <stgraber> +1
[21:23] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:23] <ogra_> +1 [not only for the banshee comment ... ]
[21:23] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:23] <popey> highvoltage: what's that? :)
[21:23] <highvoltage> +1 [ good testing and documentation/marketing efforts ]
[21:23] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:23] <stgraber> highvoltage: you probably want a +
[21:23] <stgraber> ;)
[21:23] <popey> heh
[21:23] <highvoltage> yeah yeah
[21:24] <iulian> :)
[21:24] <popey> [ENDVOTE]
[21:24] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[21:24] <popey> rocking!
[21:24] <popey> welcome valix and keep up the fantastic work!
[21:24] <iulian> valix: Congratulations!
[21:24] <highvoltage> valix: congratulations and welcome
[21:24] <valix> thanks
[21:24] <popey> next up is the_eye_ , are you around?
[21:25] <warp10> rock on, valix! \o/ /me waves an italian flag
[21:25] <the_eye_> hi
[21:25] <highvoltage> the_eye_: I visit your blog *very* regularly
[21:25] <iulian> warp10: Haha, nice one.
[21:25] <popey> the_eye_: please take a moment to introduce yourself.
[21:25] <warp10> iulian: :)
[21:25] <the_eye_> Greatings from Greece, my name is Dimitrios Ntoulas,
[21:26] <the_eye_> I'm 32 year old. I use Ubuntu since since 2006 6.06.
[21:26] <popey> that is the _most_ testimonials I have ever seen on one page
[21:26] <the_eye_> I am a member of a local club for open source. klug.gr
[21:26] <the_eye_> We have a public lab with pc running ubuntu making install fests,
[21:27] <the_eye_> presentation, etc. We also have a local support forum. http://klug.gr/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=28
[21:27] <iulian> highvoltage: I think it is the most visited blog in the entire world.
[21:27] <popey> you made http://troubleshooting.ubuntu-gr.org/ ?
[21:27] <the_eye_> :)
[21:27] <the_eye_> yes
[21:27] <popey> fantastic idea, love it
[21:27] <the_eye_> Also I contribute in ubuntu-gr.org forum as o moderator/ administrator and server co administrator (over 7000 members). I recently fix the new ubuntu look theme.
[21:28] <the_eye_> I am good with php ;)
[21:28] <the_eye_> I also write some articles in online magazine ubuntistas. http://ubuntistas.ubuntu-gr.org/
[21:28] <simosx> iulian: i did some editing on the_eye_ blog (to correct the English text), and I messed up the blog URL. i am at fault for that one ;-(
[21:28] <the_eye_> and as you can see in launchpad I help to translate some project to my native language.
[21:28] <simosx> iulian: i did some editing on the_eye_ wiki page (to correct the English text), and I messed up the blog URL. i am at fault for that one ;-(
[21:29] <highvoltage> No questions from me
[21:29] <stgraber> me neither
[21:30] <ogra_> neither here
[21:30]  * iulian is ready to vote.
[21:30]  * ogra_ is impressed by that wikipage
[21:30] <popey> ok
[21:30] <ogra_> and ready too
[21:30] <popey> [TOPIC] vote on the_eye_'s ubuntu membership please
[21:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  vote on the_eye_'s ubuntu membership please
[21:30] <popey> +1
[21:30] <highvoltage> +1 [ local forums work and local community groundwork ]
[21:30] <popey> great work, rocking the Greek team!
[21:30] <iulian> +1 - brilliant work!
[21:30] <ogra_> +1 [go hellas !]
[21:31] <michael_k> Thx! on behalf of tema
[21:31] <michael_k> *team
[21:31]  * popey tickles stgraber 
[21:31] <ogra_> heh, popey messed it up
[21:31] <popey> i did?
[21:31] <popey> oh, i did
[21:31] <popey> bum
[21:31] <stgraber> sorry :)
[21:31] <popey> sorry
[21:31] <stgraber> +1
[21:31] <popey> [VOTE] vote on the_eye_'s ubuntu membership please
[21:31] <MootBot> Please vote on:  vote on the_eye_'s ubuntu membership please.
[21:31] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[21:31] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[21:31] <popey> ahem
[21:31] <highvoltage> +1 [ local forums work and local community groundwork ]
[21:31] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:31] <popey> +1
[21:31] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:31] <ogra_> +1 [go hellas !]
[21:31] <MootBot> +1 received from ogra_. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:31] <iulian> +1 - brilliant work!
[21:31] <MootBot> +1 received from iulian. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:31] <popey> (still great work)
[21:31] <stgraber> +1
[21:31] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:32] <popey> [ENDVOTE]
[21:32] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:32] <highvoltage> the_eye_: congratulations and welcome
[21:32] <popey> Sorry about that
[21:32] <the_eye_> ;) thankssss !!!
[21:32] <popey> Congratulations the_eye_ !
[21:32] <popey> Keep on rocking!
[21:32] <michael_k> Well done the_eye!!!
[21:32] <the_eye_> keep ubunting ;)
[21:32] <iulian> Indeed. :)
[21:32] <iulian> Congrats.
[21:32] <popey> mlazzari2: you're up next! Are you around?
[21:33] <mlazzari2> Hi there,
[21:33] <popey> hey!
[21:33] <popey> Could you take a moment to introduce yourself please
[21:33] <mlazzari2> yep
[21:33] <mlazzari2> i'am Matteo Lazzari , an italian locoteam member ( https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-members ).
[21:34] <mlazzari2> I joined Ubuntu on November 2007 with Ubuntu 7.04
[21:34] <mlazzari2> I started to contribute to the end of 2008 in Documentation Italian Team.
[21:34] <mlazzari2> Now I'm an Administrator of *Ubuntu Italian Documentation Team* → https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-doc/+members#active and coordinator of three projects an *Ubuntu Italian Marketing Team* :
[21:34] <mlazzari2> * Ubuntu Pre-installed:( http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/VenditoriUbuntu )
[21:34] <mlazzari2> * Consumer Associations:( http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/AssociazioniConsumatori )
[21:34] <mlazzari2> * Spread Ubuntu: ( http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/DiffondiUbuntu )
[21:34] <mlazzari2> More info on my pages:
[21:34] <mlazzari2> LP → https://launchpad.net/~mlazzari2
[21:34] <mlazzari2> Wiki EN → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatteoLazzari
[21:34] <mlazzari2> Wiki IT → http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/MatteoLazzari
[21:34] <mlazzari2> Wiki IT → http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/MatteoLazzari/Prove0
[21:35]  * popey lols a bit at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gastro-team
[21:35] <mlazzari2> Finish  ;)
[21:35] <totopalma> Matteo is very active in the Ubuntu Italian Documentation (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoDocumentazione), reviewing several community-made guides. He is also active in the Ubuntu Italian Marketing (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione), particularly in the projects Associazioni Consumatori (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/AssociazioniConsumatori), Venditori Ubuntu (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/Vendito
[21:35] <totopalma> riUbuntu) and Diffondi Ubuntu (http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/DiffondiUbuntu); therefore he really deserves the membership, in my opinion!
[21:35]  * popey joins
[21:35] <mlazzari2> popey yep
[21:35] <warp10> popey: extremely important team, let me say :)
[21:36] <popey> mlazzari2: what activites do you do to market Ubuntu in the Marketing Team?
[21:37] <mlazzari2> i'm coordinator http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/VenditoriUbuntu
[21:38] <mlazzari2> and http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoPromozione/AssociazioniConsumatori
[21:39] <popey> any more questions?
[21:39] <highvoltage> nope
[21:39] <popey> ok
[21:39]  * popey tries to get the right mootbot incantation
[21:40] <popey> [VOTE] on mlazzari2's Ubuntu membership..
[21:40] <MootBot> Please vote on:  on mlazzari2's Ubuntu membership...
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[21:40] <iulian> Ready to go.
[21:40] <highvoltage> +1 [ loco team and community involvement ]
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[21:40] <popey> +1
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[21:40] <ogra_> +1
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[21:40] <iulian> +1
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[21:40] <stgraber> +1
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[21:40] <popey> great loco work, keep it up!
[21:40] <popey> [ENDVOTE]
[21:40] <ogra_> ++
[21:40] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:40] <highvoltage> mlazzari2: congratiolations and welcome
[21:40] <Claudinux> mlazzari2, congrats \o/
[21:41] <mlazzari2> thanks at all, i'm very happy  :-)
[21:41] <popey> mlazzari2: awesome stuff!
[21:41] <valix> mlazzari2, congrats \o/
[21:41] <warp10> mlazzari2 FTW! \o/ /me waves the italian flag again
[21:41] <popey> hehe
[21:41] <mlazzari2> warp10,  thx my friend
[21:41] <iulian> :)
[21:42] <popey> that flag is getting some use this evening!
[21:42]  * iulian nods.
[21:42] <popey> ricsipontaz: you around, you're up next.
[21:42] <ricsipontaz> okay
[21:42] <ricsipontaz> hi all
[21:42] <ricsipontaz> My name is Richard Somlói and I'm from Hungary. I'm 23 years old.
[21:42] <highvoltage> is that why I'm feeling like eating italian ice-cream tonight?
[21:42] <ricsipontaz> My hobbies are the sports (mostly ball games), the music and the IT.
[21:42] <ricsipontaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ricsipontaz
[21:43] <highvoltage> what kind of music?
[21:43] <ricsipontaz> rock/punk/alternative
[21:43] <popey> really nicely documented wiki page
[21:43] <ricsipontaz> thanks :)
[21:43] <stgraber> ricsipontaz: are you going to be at UDS next week ?
[21:44] <ricsipontaz> yes
[21:44]  * highvoltage is excited about Hungary
[21:45]  * ogra_ too ... i hope i'll find my way :)
[21:45]  * ogra_ comes by car
[21:45]  * popey will miss you all
[21:45] <ogra_> you dont come ?
[21:45] <stgraber> ogra_: hehe, how long a drive is that ? (not really on topic but as you started it ...)
[21:45] <highvoltage> ogra_: with the red "porche"?
[21:45] <ogra_> highvoltage, i upgraded ... its a white one now
[21:45] <ogra_> anyway, i didnt want to distract
[21:46] <popey> ricsipontaz: on the subject of full circle, does a Hungarian version of the PDF get generated?
[21:46] <ogra_> and have no questions
[21:46] <popey> ricsipontaz: or is it just the articles that get translated individually?
[21:46] <highvoltage> I could ask ricsipontaz lots of questions but I've already made up my mind
[21:46]  * ogra_ too
[21:46] <ricsipontaz> Yes, we generate hungarian PDF, but now our page (http://fullcircle) doen't works. :(
[21:46] <popey> ok, thats cool
[21:47] <ricsipontaz> but you can find it at the official homepage too.
[21:47] <popey> ah, ok
[21:47] <mlazzari2> bye
[21:48] <popey> ok, lets vote...
[21:48] <popey> [VOTE] on ricsipontaz's Ubuntu membership please
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[21:48] <highvoltage> +1 [ great translations and loco team involvement ]
[21:48] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:48] <popey> +1
[21:48] <ogra_> +1 [great translation work<9
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[21:48] <iulian> +1
[21:48] <stgraber> +1
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[21:48] <popey> Great work, well documented, a great example
[21:48] <highvoltage> ricsipontaz: congratulations and welcome, and say hi to us at UDS!
[21:48] <ogra_> yeah
[21:48] <ricsipontaz> okay, thanks all :)
[21:49] <popey> [ENDVOTE]
[21:49] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:49] <popey> well done
[21:49] <highvoltage> 4 new members, that's a good meeting!
[21:49] <popey> rock on!
[21:49] <ogra_> Andy80, you too btw
[21:49] <iulian> Heh.
[21:49] <popey> yeah, thanks to everyone for coming
[21:49] <ogra_> (say hi at UDS i mean)
[21:49] <Andy80> let's hope next time :)
[21:49] <popey> same time next month :)
[21:49] <ogra_> stgraber, according to google its 1000km ... 8-9h
[21:50] <Andy80> by the way... I don't think I'll change much :\
[21:50] <popey> Andy80: my recommendation is update the documentation on your wiki page and get involved in the loco :)
[21:50] <iulian> + testimonials.
[21:50] <ogra_> and if you are at UDS and contribute you should link the specs that result from this
[21:50] <Andy80> I already spend lot of time in the activities I described, so.... it's difficoult I'll find more time to contribute Ubuntu directly :(
[21:50] <popey> that also
[21:50] <Andy80> ok, I'll join a LoCo at least ;)
[21:50] <stgraber> ogra_: good thing it's Europe and not the US ;) 1000km in 8-9h is quite fast :)
[21:51] <popey> #endmeeting
[21:51] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:51.
[21:51] <ogra_> well, thats what google thinks ;)
[21:51] <popey> thanks again everyon!
[21:51] <popey> +e
[21:51] <Andy80> see ya at UDS guys :)
[21:51] <ogra_> thanks popey for chairing
[21:51] <popey> np
[21:51] <ricsipontaz> thanks all, bye!
[21:51] <highvoltage> yep, thanks popey indeed
[21:51] <stgraber> see you all at UDS (for these who'll be there)!
[21:51] <stgraber> thanks popey
[21:51] <popey> enjoy!
[21:51] <popey> Make O-O (can't spell it) rock!
[21:51] <iulian> Cheers!
[21:51] <iulian> Haha.
[22:00] <Technoviking> who do we have here from the CC?
[22:00] <popey> o/
[22:00]  * pleia2 waves
[22:01] <Technoviking> I don't think we will have a quorum, but we will go ahead and start
[22:01]  * popey query mdke
[22:01] <popey> bah!
[22:01] <Technoviking> #startmeeting
[22:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:01. The chair is Technoviking.
[22:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:01] <pleia2> we can defer the first item to UDS, since we will have a session there to review
[22:02] <Technoviking> [TOPIC] Community Council Meeting 3-May-2001 Chair: Technoviking
[22:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Community Council Meeting 3-May-2001 Chair: Technoviking
[22:02] <Technoviking> ok
[22:02] <Technoviking> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[22:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[22:03] <Technoviking> is nathan-bahn here?
[22:04] <Technoviking> we will give him a few minutes.
[22:05] <Technoviking> anything for the CC while we wait for nathan?
[22:06] <popey> hi mdke
[22:06] <mdke> heya, sorry I'm late
[22:08] <Technoviking> no problem
[22:09] <Technoviking> ok looks like nathan will not be here.
[22:09] <pleia2> I think that's all we really had
[22:10] <Technoviking> I feel discussed the Sounder ad-nasuem last time, and I feel the wider Ubuntu community is very ok with what happened
[22:10] <Technoviking> anything else?
[22:11] <mdke> for what it's worth, I thoroughly agree on that subject - I wasn't at the last meeting but have followed the issue
[22:11] <popey> well, I'd expected more people to turn up to be honest
[22:11] <popey> I was anticipating more people to come to this meeting and voice their concern/objections
[22:12] <Technoviking> We were willing to discuss it agin, so I think all time zone have been covered well
[22:12]  * ogra_ is surprised as well, given the noise on ubuntu-users this causes recently
[22:13] <amedee> (test... is my message on channel? It's been a while since I used irssi)
[22:13] <amedee> sorry for the test. popey invited me
[22:13] <ogra_> amedee, it is
[22:13] <amedee> I came here for the sounder topic
[22:14] <popey> you're welcome to speak freely amedee
[22:14] <amedee> thank you, popey
[22:15] <amedee> first I would like to say that I agree with a lot of what was said in the last meeting (I read the log): sounder was getting out of control
[22:17] <amedee> It's just that the solution to the problem seemed a bit drastic. Suppose I read an article in my local newspaper about some government agency that is switching all of their computers to Ubuntu, where can I make some sound about that? In the current situation it's not allowed on ubuntu-users, because it's not technical.
[22:18] <popey> We have marketing mailing lists.
[22:18] <popey> There's actually mailing lists, forums, irc channels and other communication mediums for pretty much any topic you want to discuss that would have been discussed on sounder...
[22:19] <amedee> do you? That's good to know. I may have looked over them, the page with all the mailing lists is really long
[22:19] <mdke> that would also be suited to the UWN
[22:19] <popey> ... except religion, politics and history.
[22:19] <pleia2> and ubuntu-news-team for sending articles to be included in ubuntu weekly news
[22:19] <pleia2> or on ubuntu-news.org
[22:19] <amedee> popey: why wasn't moderation considered? For example you moderated here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-April/243224.html
[22:20] <popey> It was used on a few occasions.
[22:21] <popey> but it got to the point where there were only a few people talking, and those few people repeatedly abused the 'rules'
[22:21] <amedee> I wouldn't mind if it had been used a bit more. You know who I'm talking about. It was always the same people that brought up religion etc
[22:21] <popey> Sure, and to some degree I agree with you.
[22:21] <popey> But it would have ended up being a ghost-town
[22:22] <popey> making it somewhat pointless
[22:22] <envygeeks> popey: why would they not have just been banned from the list?
[22:22] <ogra_> well, it was a good garbage can for ubuntu-users ...
[22:22] <amedee> perhaps, perhaps not. We'll never know.
[22:22] <popey> anyway, that wasnt the actual reason I called for it to be shut down
[22:22] <ogra_> and its noticeable missing as that function now
[22:22] <mdke> for me, and I may take a more extreme view than some other CC members (I don't know), I'm really not concerned that the concept of the list serves a justifiable purpose for the community, quite apart from the issue of whether posts were on-topic there or not
[22:22] <popey> the reason I called for it to be shutdown was because it didnt fulfil its original function, it wasnt needed anymore
[22:23] <amedee> ogra_: I disagree. Garbage shouldn't be put on the internet in the first place. If people can't have some restraint then they have no place online.
[22:23] <pleia2> I haven't really noticed the sounder traffic moving to -users all that much (there is some unity discussion, but I don't see that as horribly off-topic for -users)
[22:23] <mdke> s/concerned/convinced
[22:23] <ogra_> amedee, i wasnt meaning to praise that function at all :)
[22:23] <popey> ogra_: thats fair comment. but I dont believe we should provide garbage bins for people
[22:23] <mdke> ogra_: having a "users bin" isn't really a good justification for having a separate list
[22:23] <popey> there are plenty of other places people can chat
[22:23] <ogra_> popey, totally now
[22:23] <ogra_> *not
[22:24] <popey> As one friend of mine often says "Goodbye and enjoy the rest of the internet"
[22:24] <ogra_> what I#m saying is that we now end up with a lot of offtopic stuff on -users
[22:24] <popey> the internet is big, Canonical/Ubuntu isn't obliged to provide a forum for everyone to discuss everything
[22:24] <amedee> popey: could you please remind me of the original function?
[22:24] <mdke> ogra_: the answer is just to deal with that, rather than shunting it off
[22:24] <popey> ogra_: sure, we do, and I really appreciate the amount of work you've done on that list recently
[22:25] <popey> amedee: take a look at the archive, look at the first few months of the list
[22:25] <ogra_> mdke, i'm not saying its good to have a grabage can list :)
[22:25] <ogra_> its just something i noticed ...
[22:25] <mdke> ogra_: I may have misunderstood you then
[22:25] <amedee> feel free to give the boot to people who go off topic on ubuntu-users, after some fair warning
[22:25] <popey> amedee: we have done that as you pointed out
[22:26] <popey> I've set two people to moderation in the last week on -users
[22:26] <popey> i try to keep the moderation low, and not publicise it too much otherwise you end up with gargantuan threads about moderation
[22:26] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[22:26] <popey> I do think it's somewhat telling that nobody at all turned up to the last cc meeting
[22:27] <popey> and you are the only person who has turned up to this one
[22:27] <NoOp_> NoOp (Gary Lee) requesting permission to comment re: sounder list
[22:27] <popey> NoOp_: go ahead
[22:27] <ogra_> NoOp_, just speak
[22:27] <popey> (okay, may that two)
[22:27] <ogra_> no formalities here :)
[22:27] <amedee> I'm taking a look at
[22:27] <amedee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2004-August/thread.html
[22:28] <popey> amedee: that's it.
[22:29] <amedee> popey: I understand. You already have the reputation of being the list-nazi for some people. ;-) I know what it's like. I have moderated a forum for a couple of years.
[22:30]  * ogra_ thinks popey does an awesome job
[22:30]  * popey will miss ogra_'s hugs at UDS
[22:30] <sladen> awhhh
[22:30]  * ogra_ will miss you too :'-( 
[22:30] <amedee> lots of technical topics on sounder in august 2004. Seems like it didn't service any additional purpose back then either.
[22:30] <mdke> amedee: the month before ubuntu-users was created, it looks like :) But the Ubuntu community doesn't bear much resemblance now to then, so it is quite difficult to make comparisons. I think we need to assess whether sounder had value for the current community
[22:31] <mdke> and our conclusion was that it didn't
[22:32]  * ogra_ wonders if NoOp_ will say something :)
[22:32] <amedee> mdke: don't worry, in the broader perspective I tend to agree with the decision, or at least I understand the motivation.
[22:33] <popey> I know I got a lot of flak for this, as if it was entirely my decision (or for some, that it was Canonical's decision) but neither of those are true.
[22:34]  * mdke nods
[22:34] <popey> people have other places to go.
[22:34] <popey> there's the new bikeshed google group which has 38 or so people on it, mostly refugees from sounder
[22:34] <mdke> it's a shame popey took flak for this, because it was unanimous on the part of the CC afaics
[22:34] <popey> bear in mind some interesting numbers...
[22:34] <popey> 20-25 people spoke on sounder regularly
[22:34] <popey> 400 people subscribed
[22:34] <amedee> Well then, I guess I was the only 'regular' user from the mailing lists that made an effort to be heard on irc. I don't want to start about religion but there's this story about a city that's going to be burned to the ground and about a number of righteous men. :)
[22:35] <NoOp_> sorry - small irc glitch. For the record I think that sounder was out of control. However I also think that early moderation could have prevented that. Whilst it may have ended up a 'ghost town' the end result would have been better than simply shutting it down.
[22:35] <pleia2> thanks for coming and voicing your thoughts, amedee :)
[22:35] <popey> take another random mailing list - the ubuntu loco list, has 700 members! the sounder list just flat out wasn't representative of the project, in any way.
[22:36] <popey> *ubuntu-uk loco
[22:36] <mdke> I have to say that if I had thought that the list served a useful purpose in the community, I would also have looked for another solution. Shutting a valid list down is not a solution. But I don't think the list served or could serve a useful purpose
[22:36] <pleia2> mdke: +1
[22:36] <amedee> popey: I used to be on the ubuntu-be loco list a couple of years ago :)
[22:36] <sladen> sounder was of a time and place... a time and place where everyone involved in Ubuntu was on it
[22:36] <mdke> so for me, moderation wasn't a solution
[22:36] <mdke> sladen: agreed
[22:37] <lmario> anyway, ubuntu-users is now full of OTs...
[22:37] <amedee> sounder became sodom, and we all know how that ended :)
[22:37] <mdke> it can sometimes be hard to let that sort of history go, but it's also healthy
[22:37] <amedee> mdke: pruning of branches to let the flowers grow, to use a gardening analogy
[22:38] <ogra_> lmario, as i stated above, -users is missing its grabage can now, but that points out a problem with -users (that it actually needs a garbage can)
[22:38] <popey> its not full of OT
[22:38] <popey> there are some
[22:38] <amedee> ogra_: I think the only good garbage can for a mailing list is moderation
[22:38] <popey> and I anticipated this after sounder shutdown
[22:39] <ogra_> not full, but more than there were two months ago
[22:39] <mdke> I think the -users issue, if there is an issue, can be discussed and dealt with as a separate topic. Perhaps more moderators are needed
[22:39] <lmario> @ogra: that is some kind of moderation?
[22:39] <popey> perhaps we'll try and calm that down a bit after a while
[22:39]  * ogra_ just doesnt want to end up with two merged lists 
[22:39] <Technoviking> thinking we need to build a Mailing list community, like the forums and irc have
[22:39] <popey> amedee: you may or may not be surprised to hear there aren't many volunteers to help with mailing list moderation!
[22:39] <ogra_> where one exists through the OT tag
[22:40]  * mdke nods at Technoviking 
[22:40] <popey> Technoviking: yeah, I have pondered that also
[22:40] <pleia2> I agree that this should be picked up in a separate topic and handled as a -users issue
[22:40] <mdke> ogra_: agreed, the topic of the users mailing list should also be defined and applied properly
[22:40] <popey> a bunch of people who run listadmin regularly and keep on top of the threads
[22:40] <pleia2> popey: *nod*
[22:40] <mdke> who is doing that now?
[22:40] <popey> but it's also worth noting that the -users list has also had a lot of unity traffic
[22:40] <popey> mdke: o/
[22:41] <ogra_> right
[22:41] <popey> maybe a topic for UDS?
[22:41] <amedee> popey: I already said that I was a forum moderator for a couple of years. Let me add that I was the _only_ moderator for 5 years on a forum with >6000 registered users and >100 active users/day. I *know* the problem.
[22:41] <pleia2> I am listed as one of the list admins, but I think it just landed on my lap because I didn't step back :) I don't actually have the time to help with moderation
[22:41]  * ogra_ suspects that will go on for a while 
[22:41] <popey> a blueprint for mailing list admin team?
[22:41] <mdke> popey: why not
[22:41] <JanC> amedee: you want to be the moderator of sounder?  :P
[22:42] <amedee> and there we have the person who gave me an Ubuntu coaster back in 2004. Hi JanC!
[22:42] <JanC> (I can confirm amedee was the only really active moderator on that forum)
[22:43] <amedee> Or was it 2005? Never mind, it was a long time ago.
[22:43] <JanC> at some point  ;)
[22:43] <popey> I have slacked off the moderation of -users over the last month, as a result of sounder closure, and unity release.
[22:43] <NoOp_> previously on the users list when subjects became too OT, but still Ubuntu related (Unity for example), one could suggest taking the conversation to sounder. That is no longer possible. Now the options got to forums or usenet.
[22:44] <popey> it would be great if there was a team who could jump on the OT and wild topics on -users, for sure
[22:44] <amedee> I'll have to watch my words now, because JanC knows me IRL. :)
[22:44] <pleia2> popey: blueprint sounds good
[22:44] <mdke> NoOp_: but that's just an extension of the dustbin argument; there should be a list to pick up all the stuff that doesn't fall on topic of other lists; that's not a great concept for a list!
[22:44] <mdke> (IMO)
[22:44] <popey> There are nearly 5000 people on -users compared to ~400 on sounder!
[22:45] <mdke> a list should have a topic, not an un-topic
[22:45] <pleia2> I think we're getting into a loop now and we should probably wrap up :)
[22:45] <popey> ok, I'm happy to create a blueprint for UDS
[22:45] <pleia2> great!
[22:45] <popey> but someone at UDS will need to drive it
[22:45]  * popey flutters his eyelashes at 
[22:45] <popey> Technoviking
[22:46] <popey> and/or pleia2 :)
[22:46]  * Technoviking whistles
[22:46] <pleia2> I'm a bit overwhelmed at UDS already, if Technoviking could that'd be great, I'll attend and help
[22:46] <Technoviking> I can
[22:46] <mdke> good call
[22:46] <popey> great
[22:46]  * ogra_ will attend if schedule allows
[22:47] <Technoviking> So, Popey will write out a blueprint and I will try to get it on the schedule and drive it at UDS
[22:47] <mdke> on the -users issue.
[22:47] <pleia2> sounds good
[22:48] <popey> yes
[22:48] <Technoviking> If nothing else, I'm sure we can discuss at an community roundtable
[22:48] <mdke> As for the sounder issue, if anyone has any comments and wasn't able to attend the meeting, we can follow up by email if necessary
[22:48] <popey> well, general mailing list moderation
[22:48] <popey> focussed on -users
[22:48] <amedee> JanC: no I do not want to be the moderator of sounder. You know what will happen! ;-)
[22:48] <ogra_> popey, well, that should be announced at -users (with a link about remote participation at UDS)
[22:48] <popey> good point ogra_
[22:49] <Technoviking> I will ping -user, when I get a session scheduled
[22:49] <popey> great
[22:49] <mdke> thanks for driving that popey and Technoviking
[22:49] <Technoviking> ok is there anything else people want to discuss with the CC
[22:50] <Technoviking> 3...
[22:50] <Technoviking> 2...
[22:50] <Technoviking> 1...
[22:50] <NoOp_> mdke: but on occasion the dustbin does pick up some good bits. anyway, looks as it there isn't anything further re: sounder - thanks for allowing comments.
[22:50] <pleia2> thanks for coming, NoOp_
[22:50] <ogra_> yeah
[22:50] <popey> if anyone has further comments, do please send them to us directly
[22:50] <mdke> yes, thanks all
[22:50] <popey> community-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[22:50] <Technoviking> #endmeeting
[22:50] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:50.
[22:51] <amedee> thanks for listening to NoOp_ & myself
[22:51] <ogra_> thats what the CC is there for ;)
[22:51] <Technoviking> no rpoblem
[22:51] <mdke> thanks for the constructive discussion
[22:51] <Technoviking> problem:)
[23:29] <MrChrisDruif> Community Council meeting moved?
[23:34] <Pendulum> MrChrisDruif: I think it was an hour ago