[05:58] <G> Hope anyone based North Shore way is okay
[21:01] <snail> morning all
[21:03] <Atamira> mornin
[21:08] <ajmitch> morning
[22:29] <ibeardslee> mumblemorning
[22:29] <ibeardslee> seems an update for nvidia is broken in Natty
[22:29] <ajmitch> what breaks?
[22:30] <ibeardslee> the ability to get anything useful on the screen
[22:30] <ajmitch> after rebooting?
[22:30] <ibeardslee> yeap
[22:30] <ibeardslee> the updates that happened yesterday
[22:31] <ibeardslee> did the reboot and nothing on the screen .. well apart from the moment the ubuntu logo with the dots under appears
[22:31] <ajmitch> did dkms not rebuild the kernel module?
[22:32] <ajmitch> you may be able to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's blowing up
[22:32] <ibeardslee> not sure .. now I know what packages are causing the problem I'm looking a bit deeper at it
[22:32] <ibeardslee> apt-get purge nvidia*
[22:32] <ibeardslee> and a reboot, lets me get a gui back
[22:33] <ajmitch> which means it could be switching back to the nouveau driver there
[22:34] <ibeardslee> if I load the additional drivers, installing nvidia-current and reboot it dies
[22:34] <ajmitch> check the xorg log after it dies to see what went wrong
[22:35]  * ajmitch had surprisingly few issues with upgrading to natty, but hasn't applied updates lately
[22:36] <ibeardslee> I had been blaming the SSSD problem
[22:36] <ibeardslee> I've just had those two technical glitches ... SSSD and nvidia
[22:37] <ibeardslee> and number of usage glitches though :/
[22:37] <ajmitch> yeah, I've had issues with system going OOM & thrashing about for ages
[22:37] <ajmitch> but I also had swap disabled when that happened
[22:44] <ibeardslee> I had that happen to me at some stage .. but can't remember at what point
[22:44]  * ibeardslee is slowing going insane
[22:46] <ajmitch> going?
[22:54] <hads> I installed one at beta and upgraded both my desktop and laptop just before release with surprisingly no issues at all.
[22:55] <hads> Well except that annoying scrollbar.
[22:55]  * ajmitch didn't really notice the scrollbar
[22:55] <hads> Do you use Evolution?
[22:55] <ajmitch> yes
[22:56] <hads> If I have Evolution maximized and go to scoll a message in the preview pane I have to move the cursor all the way to the right edge of the screen and then back a few pixels to grab the handle.
[22:56] <ajmitch> I don't think I ever really use the scrollbars there, and I use evolution maximised
[22:57] <ajmitch> but I don't remember having the issues you describe
[22:57] <ajmitch> I could just be blind
[22:58] <hads> It could be my workflow being broken. I've never quite settled in with Evolution.
[22:59] <hads> The keyboard shortcuts don't fit with me quite so well. I'm aLways switching messages when trying to scroll and silly things like that.
[23:11] <ibeardslee> hmm dropped back to the -8 kernel and it seems to work
[23:12] <ajmitch> ibeardslee: it sort of indicates that it wasn't building the module for the kernel you're running
[23:14] <ibeardslee> .. actually maybe not :(
[23:17] <ajmitch> btw, http://askubuntu.com/ is a useful (& now official) support site
[23:20] <ibeardslee> damn .. I'll have to come back to it and work with just the one monitor for now .. get some people off my back
[23:20] <ibeardslee> sudo reboot
[23:20] <ibeardslee> gah
[23:29] <timClicks> i'm having issues w/ Python in 11.04..
[23:30] <timClicks> upgrade to py 2.7 seems to have broken python-setuptools
[23:30] <timClicks> which, makes life... challenging
[23:34] <timClicks> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/382524/
[23:36] <ajmitch> timClicks: /usr/local/bin?
[23:43] <timClicks> ajmitch, hrm
[23:43] <timClicks> /usr/local/bin/easy_install borks, /usr/bin/easy_install is okay
[23:43] <ajmitch> probably got an old copy in /usr/local
[23:43] <timClicks> is is best just to rm
[23:43] <ajmitch> yeah, I think so
[23:48] <mwhudson> wow i have stuff in /usr/local
[23:48] <mwhudson> how did that get there?
[23:48]  * ajmitch has very little in /usr/local/bin, thankfully
[23:49] <mwhudson> i appear to have some wifi stuff ... that's probably not a good thing
[23:49] <mwhudson> madwifi from 2008?
[23:50]  * ajmitch just has 1 python egg in /usr/local/lib