[00:03] <LjL> btw feel free to review cam's ban. i personally have zero tolerance for gratuitous bashing of people who made a small mistake.
[00:31] <bazhang> arphetic does not seem to be so much asking for support , as complaining about he/she does not like Natty
[00:32] <genii-around> Maybe we need #ubuntu-complaints-dept
[00:34] <Jordan_U> Don't expect me to op at the moment as I have severe lag.
[00:34] <Jordan_U> But I agree that arphetic is pushing it.
[00:34] <bazhang> "Microsoft Ubuntu 11.04"
[00:46] <Jordan_U> bazhang: I think it's probably time to deal with arphetic, and I can't due to lag.
[09:30] <gartral> I have a request: can we make a ubottu trigger to instruct people on how too switch too Gnome-classic?
[09:31] <topyli> !classic
[09:31] <topyli> like that :)
[09:33] <gartral> ohh. i didn't see it in the list! thanks! I was getting of typing it out, lol
[09:33] <topyli> :)
[09:33] <pennnn> i wpuld complain about starminN
[09:34] <pennnn> [10:33] <Starminn> !enter > pennnn [09:34] <gartral> have a good day ops!
[10:01] <Starminn> For all the is pure and good, could somebody please have a talk with pennnn from the #ubuntu channel?
[10:01] <Starminn> /s/the/that
[10:41] <ASEDDDD> hello
[10:42] <jussi> good afternoon ASEDDDD
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> why cant get help in ubuntu-offtopic
[10:43] <jussi> ASEDDDD: because its offtopic ?
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> no look:
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> thegoodcushion>
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> [11:36] == ASEDDDD [57976a33@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.151.106.51] has joined #ubuntu-offtopic [11:36] <ASEDDDD> hi i am not sure if gnome 3 oir kde is besser [11:36] <chu_> Most people won't read, so sounds good. [11:36] <Flannel> chu_: or this: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi [11:36] <chu_> ASEDDDD: Neither, use awesome [11:36] <ASEDDDD> chu_ dont like awesome :( [11:37] <chu_> Missing out [11:37] <chu_> Flannel: Good arti
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> no
[10:43] <ASEDDDD> its wrong sorry
[10:44] <jussi> ASEDDDD: Im there, and can read backsrcoll.
[10:44] <ASEDDDD> i9ts in
[10:44] <ASEDDDD> ubuntu-offtopic
[10:44] <ASEDDDD> I asked about advice and chu_ always telled me his shit
[10:44] <ASEDDDD> about awesome
[10:44] <ASEDDDD> and when i said, i dont want it, he said, so you dont get help here
[10:46] <jussi> ASEDDDD: its likely you should know that you dont get help there. as I mentioned via ubottu in #ubuntu, "which is best" questions should be asked from bestbot
[10:47] <ASEDDDD> i asked if a ppa is safe
[10:47] <ASEDDDD> should i ask this to bot ? lol
[10:47] <ASEDDDD> lol
[10:48] <jussi> no, you asked whether gnome 3 or kde is better...
[10:48] <ASEDDDD> wwhy do you lie jussie?
[10:48] <jussi> [11:36] <ASEDDDD> hi i am not sure if gnome 3 oir kde is besser
[10:48] <ASEDDDD> [11:40] <ASEDDDD> gnome 3 is only available per ppa [11:40] <ASEDDDD> and it can be very buggy, righ t? [11:41] <chu_> Ok... Awesome is available from the repos.
[10:49] <ASEDDDD> i asked about gnome 3
[10:49] <ASEDDDD> and he told me awesome
[10:49] <ASEDDDD>  
[10:52] <bazhang> this is gurke_ et al
[10:58] <bazhang> Pici, he somehow got around the wildcard ban
[12:12] <LjL> good morning. did the bots do anything untoward this night?
[12:22] <bazhang> LjL, not that I saw
[12:25] <LjL> good good
[12:56] <LjL> i think i am supposed to lose my +o in #ubuntu today, so i'm not doing op actions unless i'm given the go-ahead...
[13:11] <ikonia> LjL: if you've got it - just keep hold of it, help is appreciated
[13:32] <bazhang> LjL, indeed, it'd be nice for you to keep it
[13:33] <LjL> it's gone now ;) but maybe i'll apply for ops
[13:55] <topyli> LjL: i would assume your application wouldn't be badly hurt even if your wiki page isn't the best ever :)
[13:55] <topyli> (didn't look, maybe it is!)
[13:59] <LjL> that's a relief topyli, i have a hatred for shiny personal wiki page =)
[13:59] <topyli> do make one though
[13:59] <LjL> i have one
[13:59] <topyli> right
[14:01] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LorenzoJLucchini
[14:02] <Pici> hah
[14:03] <topyli> right :)
[14:03] <Pici> LjL: You forgot the unfinished floodbots ;)
[14:05] <topyli> just add a section for endorsements and this will be the most contradictory wiki page ever
[14:05] <LjL> yeah i should probably talk about the bots a little, at least they're relevant to ubuntu
[14:06] <topyli> oh yes there is nothing about either irc or ubuntu
[14:07] <bazhang> he never helps there!
[14:07] <topyli> oh ubuntu is mentioned though
[14:07] <bazhang> "watches the watchers"
[14:08] <bazhang> we need it tbh
[14:11] <jussi> epic wiki page :D
[14:11]  * LjL never remembers the ubuntu wiki syntax, how do you make a named internal link?
[14:13] <LjL> oh it's just like metawiki, somehow i assumed it had to be different :P
[14:13] <LjL> mediawiki even
[14:13] <bazhang> I just copy and paste once in unlocked/editing mode
[14:15] <LjL> bots added!
[14:15] <bazhang> irc 24/7 support added!
[14:16] <jussi> bazhang: LjL 24/7? nahh... have you _ever_ seen LjL here between 0600 and 1300 italian time?
[14:16] <jussi> :P
[14:17] <LjL> i thought those were just fictional hours...?
[14:18] <jussi> LOL
[14:18] <LjL> section about bots now made better
[14:18] <jussi> hahaha: It's fun because the categories it guesses are never right.
[14:19] <jussi> funny, but close to true :P :P
[14:19]  * jussi hugs LjL
[14:19] <jussi> mostly because not many people teach it stuff
[14:19] <LjL> blame bayes!
[14:19] <LjL> naah, i've spent ages teaching it, and it never improved :P
[14:19] <jussi> hehe
[14:20] <bazhang> hehe
[14:28] <LjL> jussi: anyway i think you ought to do op recruitment before releases, not after :P
[14:52] <knome> Ungika is throwing the 'bruder' stuff at #xubuntu, was he a known troll?
[14:52] <Pici> still?
[14:52] <knome> yes
[14:52] <knome> and pinging ba zhang, you and ik onia
[14:54] <Pici> I'm trying the ignore him and maybe he'll stop approach.
[14:54] <LjL> it never worked with me
[14:57] <ikonia> I'm actually speaking with him now
[14:57] <ikonia> see'ing if we could just let him use the channels normally
[15:00] <Pici> ikonia: good luck
[15:01] <ikonia> time has passed, maybe time to resolve ?
[15:02] <ikonia> he's just ignoring me now, he pm'd me saying "ola" but hasn't responded,
[15:04] <ikonia> no joy at all
[15:34] <bazhang> appears to be indeed
[15:35] <Pici> So now this bot is free to come back and terrorize another channel since idoru didn't kill it?
[15:35] <LjL> Pici: maybe, but other channels *are* now being terrorized but by *different* IPs
[15:35] <LjL> these people don't tend to reuse an IP in the first place
[15:38] <LjL> still, idoru could be fine. it just needs to be tuned a bit. i'm looking forward for that to happen.
[17:22]  * Pici sighs
[19:29] <pankaj> hi there
[19:32] <Pici> pankaj: Hi. How can we help you today?
[19:42] <Pici> I wonder if theres a way to tell how many users have decided to use Classic Ubuntu versus Unity.
[19:52] <IdleOne> create a poll, send to all ubuntu mailing lists?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> won't that be in popcon?
[19:58] <Pici> charlie-tca: As I understand it, package installs are in popcon, not what settings users have chosen to use, and since they both are installed by default..
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I see.
[20:43] <Pici> I'm really really unhappy that we're hitting peaks in #ubuntu days after a release.
[20:47] <Jordan_U> A survey is more likely to be filled out by people with a strong opinion on the issue, and strong opinions are much more likely to be unfavorable than favorable.
[20:47] <Pici> Indeed.
[20:47] <Corey> Pici: Peaks in what sense?
[20:48] <Pici> Corey: More people in #ubuntu right now than there were on release day.
[20:48] <Corey> Pici: Why does that make you unhappy?
[20:48] <Corey> Indicative of things breaking?
[20:49] <Pici> Corey: Exactly.
[20:49] <Corey> Yeah, my netbook ate itself upon upgrade for the second consecutive release. :-/
[20:51] <Corey> I realize that my anecdote isn't data, but still...
[20:53] <Jordan_U> It's data, just not information ;)
[20:55] <LjL> Pici: not like breakage wasn't to be expected with this release, though
[20:56] <LjL> Pici: do you have precise usercount stats for previous releases as well? i don't have those
[20:56] <Pici> LjL: Just because it was expected doesn't mean I have to like it.
[20:56] <Pici> LjL: I have 10.04 on this graph: http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/irccount.html
[20:58] <LjL> Pici: interesting graphs but would need other releases to compare to i guess. i can get graphs of message activity (if i can resurrect the scripts that do that), but not user count itself, although maybe activity is a better indicator anyway, not sure
[20:59] <LjL> Pici: also, of course you have to like it, ubuntu is not about sadness and hatred
[21:03] <Pici> LjL: I have an activity graph as well.
[21:04] <LjL> my graphs are better than your graphs
[21:05] <Pici> The insecure SQL graphs?
[21:10] <LjL> :(
[21:10] <LjL> y u call my lack of security insecure
[21:18] <Pici> LjL: Because I remember you specifically warning me not to share the link because it was insecure.
[21:23] <LjL> Pici: on an unrelated note, i wonder why my server's hard drive has got corrupted. every sector contains a string "PICI TOLD ME TO DO THIS", it must be some magnetic interference
[21:45] <hypatia> Magizian spammity spam spam
[21:46] <Pici> Yeah, I ended up banning them in #ubuntu too
[21:47] <hypatia> Pici: fromt he googles he seems to go way back as a net.kook