[00:02] <reyeryshs> what is the differnces between ubuntu-server vs ubuntu enterpise cloud server???
[00:04] <SpamapS> reyeryshs: there's no real difference. UEC is just the integration of Eucalyptus with Ubuntu Server
[00:08] <reyeryshs> anyone know  a guide/pdf for free on web for ubuntu server and for ubuntu epnterpise cloud
[00:17] <reyeryshs> I've guess I should just install ubuntu server
[00:36] <habriel>  hello i am installing mrtg and i have it problem Use of uninitialized value $first in hash element at /usr/bin/indexmaker line 353
[00:36] <habriel> could you any help me please
[01:41] <DAVdaBRAV> Hello. I got another stupid question.
[01:42] <DAVdaBRAV> anyone on the channel?
[01:48] <andygraybeal_> i'm here but most likely i am to new to help
[01:48] <andygraybeal_> shoot though.. i got nothing else going on.
[01:48] <andygraybeal_> i want to hear your problem
[01:55] <twb> andygraybeal_: a veteran would just say "!anybody" :P
[01:57] <andygraybeal_> nice, is it a prompt for someone not to ask about anybody?
[02:00] <twb> !anybody
[02:22] <DAVdaBRAV> how come whenever I login to my server it displays a time that isn't correct even thought it gets the last logged in time perfect?
[02:25] <twb> timezone?
[02:26] <twb> What does date --rfc-3339=seconds report?
[02:33] <DAVdaBRAV> the correct time.
[02:33] <DAVdaBRAV> eastern US
[02:34] <Angryfurby> good evening guys i loaded up my site on ubuntu 10.10 server with a godaddy cert upload and configured the sites-available to the best i could and i still get the selfsigned cert not the gd oone
[02:36] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: not sure which time is wrong, then
[02:37] <DAVdaBRAV> well it seems to know what time it is at least.
[02:37] <twb> Angryfurby: /etc/apache2/conf.d/security
[02:39] <Angryfurby> twb: ok what do i look there
[02:39] <twb> Angryfurby: er, where it refers to snakeoil certs?
[02:39] <Angryfurby> twb: want me to pastbin it
[02:39] <twb> Maybe it doesn't by default
[02:39] <twb> Mine apache2 config is a little odd
[02:40] <qman__> it used to be in the ssl site config
[02:40] <qman__> but I don't know on the latest stuff
[02:41] <DAVdaBRAV> twb: it says: Linux computername 2.6.32-28-generic-pae #55-Ubuntu SMPP Mon Jan 10 22:34:08 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:41] <DAVdaBRAV> I guess that's not reporting the time. :S what is it?
[02:41] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: that's UTC time
[02:42] <twb> UTC = GMT = +0000
[02:44] <DAVdaBRAV> Any idea why I can't do: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql stop ?! >:{
[02:44] <qman__> not without the error message
[02:45] <qman__> also, that method is being deprecated
[02:45] <qman__> the service command works with both sysvinit and upstart, so that's what I recommend
[02:46] <DAVdaBRAV> well what am I supposed to do then? I have no idea how to use the service command to stop mysql I try and it returns unrecognized instance or some such.
[02:46] <qman__> then it's not running
[02:46] <qman__> at least not as a service
[02:47] <qman__> also, `sudo service [service] [start|stop|restart|...]`
[02:47] <DAVdaBRAV> any idea how to show running sevices so I can get what it's called?
[02:48] <qman__> ps aux | grep mysql
[02:48] <qman__> also, service has tab completion
[02:48] <qman__> in fact, most things have tab completion now
[02:48] <qman__> it's incredibly convenient
[02:49] <Macer> qman__: i noticed that heh. pretty nice to have
[02:49] <Macer> tab ftw
[02:49] <DAVdaBRAV> what is tab completiong?
[02:49] <qman__> start typing something in a shell and press tab
[02:49] <DAVdaBRAV> :O
[02:49] <qman__> it's only the most useful thing ever
[02:49] <DAVdaBRAV> wow
[02:49] <qman__> tap it twice to show ambiguous results
[02:50] <DAVdaBRAV> you're a freaking genius qman! :D
[02:51] <qman__> that's just shell 101
[02:52] <qman__> though if you've never learned from a book, class, or another person, I guess you wouldn't have known
[02:52] <DAVdaBRAV> true
[02:53] <Macer> haha
[02:54] <Macer> it  is odd because i am right in front of my kubuntu desktop and i am still using my phone  for irc
[02:54] <DAVdaBRAV> now: mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables & doesn't work.
[02:54] <qman__> I prefer screen + irssi, and I use an ssh app on my phone
[02:55] <Macer> me  too
[02:55] <qman__> running xchat here because I'm too lazy to configure it on this computer
[02:55] <Macer> that is what im doing
[02:55] <Macer> ew
[02:55] <Macer> i havent used a  ui irc client in  years
[02:55] <qman__> set it up like five years ago and haven't touched it
[02:55] <Macer> ever since ircii
[02:56] <DAVdaBRAV> any ideas how I can start mysql server w/o password now?
[02:56] <qman__> IIRC there is an external password reset command
[02:56] <qman__> but I haven't used it in a while, don't know off the top of my head
[02:56] <Macer> DAVdaBRAV: try  #mysql
[02:57] <Macer> they might know more than us
[02:57] <DAVdaBRAV> ok
[02:57] <DAVdaBRAV> thanks
[02:57] <Macer> other than setting up a quick db for wp i never really  used it
[02:57] <Macer> but i have been where you are and it sucks to lose the root pw to mysql
[02:57] <qman__> for future reference, "it doesn't work" isn't very useful without the error message or other output you get
[02:58] <qman__> that's critical to finding out why
[02:59] <Macer> android sure has come along since my old g1 :)
[02:59] <DAVdaBRAV> for future reference, it was "command not found"
[03:00] <qman__> find / | grep mysqld_safe
[03:00] <qman__> or
[03:00] <qman__> locate mysqld_safe
[03:00] <qman__> it's probably /usr/sbin, but it could be somewhere else
[03:00] <qman__> I don't have time to look for it myself right now
[03:03] <DAVdaBRAV> it is there
[03:04] <qman__> then try it with the full path, `sudo /usr/sbin/mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables &`
[03:04] <DAVdaBRAV> it says starting :D
[03:05] <DAVdaBRAV> I tried without sudo the first time. thanks.
[03:05] <qman__> ah, yeah, daemons need root
[03:05] <DAVdaBRAV> (How can I be such a noob not to always do sudo when it doesn't work the first time)
[03:12] <DAVdaBRAV> thanks qman_. there's no one in #mysql, and this tutorial (http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html) didn't work, so unless you have a clue why, do I need to re-install Ubuntu or just mysql?
[03:14] <qman__> if you purge and reinstall mysql, it should solve the problem
[03:14] <qman__> simply removing it will not, though
[03:15] <DAVdaBRAV> what's the difference?
[03:15] <qman__> removing software leaves configuration files and databases behind
[03:15] <qman__> purging deletes them
[03:16] <DAVdaBRAV> can you please tell me how to purge mysql and phpmyadmin so that I can reinstall them correctly?
[03:16] <qman__> pastebin the output of `dpkg -l | grep mysql`
[03:16] <qman__> or just list the package names
[03:17] <DAVdaBRAV> O_O pastebin?
[03:17] <qman__> !pastebin
[03:17] <DAVdaBRAV> dpkg -l | grep mysql
[03:17] <DAVdaBRAV> dang wrong keyboard
[03:17] <qman__> you just need the package names it lists
[03:18] <qman__> then `sudo apt-get purge [those package names] phpmyadmin`
[03:18] <DAVdaBRAV> ok
[03:19] <qman__> then install again after that's done
[03:19] <qman__> it should start the debconf bit over and ask you for a new root mysql password
[03:19] <DAVdaBRAV> ok... this will take a while... but thanks :)
[03:20] <DAVdaBRAV> wait
[03:20] <DAVdaBRAV> ""
[03:20] <DAVdaBRAV> " then `sudo apt-get purge [those package names] phpmyadmin`" including phpmyadmin?
[03:20] <qman__> yes
[03:21] <qman__> if you want to start over with phpmyadmin as well
[03:21] <qman__> if not, don't
[03:21] <DAVdaBRAV> wait, don't I have to purge mysql and phpmyadmin separately?
[03:21] <qman__> nope
[03:21] <DAVdaBRAV> :O
[03:21] <qman__> you can apply any number of package changes in one action
[03:22] <qman__> that's the benefit of a good package management system
[03:22] <qman__> it's not bulletproof, bugs do happen
[03:22] <DAVdaBRAV> Even if I didn't use apt-get to get myadmin?
[03:22] <qman__> but it's designed so that you should be able to
[03:22] <qman__> if you didn't, you should delete the files you installed and use apt to reinstall it
[03:23] <DAVdaBRAV> everywhere except here says not to use apt-get
[03:23] <qman__> the biggest benefit to doing it that way is when updates happen, you get them
[03:24] <qman__> that's because most other places aren't ubuntu and debian centric
[03:24] <qman__> and most other distributions don't have a nice package to make it easy
[03:24] <DAVdaBRAV> so even though the project hasn't been updated if 4 versions apt-get is actually better for updates o.O ?
[03:24] <qman__> as a system administrator, the more you can use apt-get, the better
[03:25] <qman__> that's not always black and white
[03:25] <qman__> it may be an older version, but it's likely that the ubuntu package has been patched separately
[03:26] <twb> Not so much using apt-get, as using apt and dpkg with official packages
[03:26] <qman__> for example, php
[03:26] <twb> You lose a large part of the benefits if you go around installing PPAs from e.g. webmin or zimbra
[03:26] <DAVdaBRAV> ok then. :)
[03:26] <qman__> the current PHP version in ubuntu is not the same version as on PHP's site
[03:26] <twb> Because they do not adhere to the strict packaging policies that Debian has created to ensure that packages work well together
[03:26] <qman__> it's a couple behind, but it has a -ubuntu1 or -ubuntu2, etc on the end
[03:27] <qman__> because the ubuntu maintainers patched the holes
[03:27] <twb> qman__: and performed integration testing
[03:27] <qman__> once in a while you run into something that is packaged but horribly out of date
[03:27] <qman__> but it's not very often, and it's definitely not the case for popular software like phpmyadmin
[03:28] <DAVdaBRAV> phpbb3 guys said the 4 versions thing.
[03:28] <twb> IMO you shouldn't be performing administration from a web UI
[03:29] <twb> Especially not for a database, especially not from PHP
[03:29] <qman__> you can go the other route, but then it's up to you to update the software manually each time a patch comes out
[03:29] <qman__> with apt, you can just run it in one sweep with your system updates
[03:29] <qman__> less work and still reasonably up to date and secure
[03:30] <DAVdaBRAV> so you think I should ditch the wget version of phpbb3 too?
[03:30] <qman__> I would, but I have a lot of servers to maintain, and not much time to maintain them
[03:32] <DAVdaBRAV> I will do the easy way too then.
[03:32] <qman__> most of the security holes that get patched can be mitigated by good practice anyway
[03:33] <qman__> and if you're really paranoid, just pull the admin panel out of the web root when you're not using it
[03:34] <qman__> or use some other authentication method, or restrict hosts that can connect
[03:34] <qman__> something like that
[03:35] <qman__> anyway, I must be going, good luck with your server
[03:36] <DAVdaBRAV> thank you.
[04:53] <Angryfurby> good evinging guys i am having a issue with apache loading the default self signed cert and not the cert i configured for. on ubuntu 10.10
[05:35] <ckrailo> all: for ubuntu server 11.04, what's the best way to start a program in screen on boot?
[05:51] <wjlafrance> Yo
[05:51] <wjlafrance> Is there a way to install Ubuntu Server on a headless box?
[05:53] <twb> wjlafrance: yes
[05:55] <wjlafrance> twb: care to give me a pointer?
[05:57] <twb> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apb.html.en
[05:57] <twb> Or just install it normally then transplant the HDD
[05:57] <wjlafrance> Cool, thanks.
[06:20] <micahg> is there a metapackage to install ubuntu-server from a minimal install?
[06:21] <twb> micahg: er, just don't install anything.
[06:21] <twb> micahg: it probably enables ubuntu-standard by default, but you can opt out of that
[06:21] <twb> The ubuntu-minimal package, plus a kernel, should be enough to boot and install additional packages
[06:22] <micahg> yeah, I've got minimal and I can install stuff
[06:22] <twb> Oh, I misread your question
[06:23] <twb> servers are diverse enough that a single "server" metapackage wouldn't be helpful (cf. "ubuntu-desktop").
[06:23] <twb> You can run tasksel or aptitude to see separate tasks for e.g. www or dns server
[06:25] <micahg> twb: ok, was just a misconception in my head then, np
[06:35] <DAVdaBRAV> can I use apt-get to install to a particular directory? like: /var/www so that I can use URL: Http://<domain>/phpBB3/ and actually see phpBB3?
[06:39] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: /var/www is not used in Ubuntu
[06:40] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: rather, apache2 (assuming you use that httpd) will be told in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ to serve specific filesystem trees for specific HTTP dirs/vhosts/whatever.
[06:42] <DAVdaBRAV> twb: Huh?
[06:43] <DAVdaBRAV> ok, but how?
[06:43] <twb> DAVdaBRAV: so for example phpbb3 will install itself to somewhere like /usr/lib/phpbb3/bin and /usr/share/phpbb3/data, and apache will be told to serve the former as cgi-bin and the latter as /
[06:43] <twb> exactly how will depend on how the package maintainer has set it up
[06:44] <twb> Try reading the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/<package name>/
[06:44] <DAVdaBRAV> ok.....
[06:45] <DAVdaBRAV> wouldn't I need to read apache docs instead?
[06:48] <twb> Those too
[07:00] <STF> hi i even installed ubuntu-server, when start the system i have now the problem, that i have the english layout, but i need the german one
[07:01] <STF> how to change this now (and permanently)
[07:02] <twb> STF: on the console?
[07:02] <twb> STF: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[07:02] <STF> yes
[07:02] <twb> Good luck typing it tho :-)
[07:05] <STF> ehm that doesn't help me
[07:06] <STF> there i cannot change the language, i need qwertz support not qwerty
[07:14] <twb> STF: there should be an option to pick the keyboard type
[07:15] <STF> is the change immediately?
[07:15] <STF> or does it need a reboot
[07:15] <STF> ?
[07:17] <twb> It's immediate if you're in the tty
[07:17] <twb> If you're in screen, no
[07:17] <twb> Run "tty" and see if it reports /dev/tty[1-6]
[07:17] <STF> it do
[07:18] <twb> Not sure then
[07:18] <STF> "/dev/tty1
[07:18] <twb> It should be immediate
[07:18] <STF> it isn't and it is not after restart
[07:18] <twb> I suppose you might not have the relevant packages installed, but unless you've gone through removing things, you should have them
[07:18] <twb> IIRC they would be console-setup, xkb-data, and kbd or console-tools
[07:19] <STF> i chat with you over the secondary pc
[07:19] <twb> Whatever
[07:25] <STF> i give it up
[07:25] <twb> Too bad
[07:25] <twb> Sorry I couldn't help
[07:37] <STF> twb; you wasn't totaly wrong, but it is console-data, which need to be installed an reconfigure ;)
[07:38] <twb> Ah, sorry
[07:38] <STF> wait, it wasn't permanent, oh man that so stupid#
[07:38] <twb> It's console-setup in debian sid
[08:19] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: pong
[08:26] <twb> When using libvirtd on a headless server, and a remote virt-install with qemu+ssh://twb@theta/system, how do you convince virt-install the disks are on the server, not the client?
[08:32] <twb> AHA
[08:32] <twb> --disk pool=default,format=qcow2,size=1
[09:40] <ChrisBuchholz> Hey guys. On my ubuntu 11.04 server, when i add a ppa, via add-apt-repository, apt-get doenst use it. Or, not fully anyways. As you can see here: https://gist.github.com/952345 I add the repository and update, but its not on the list over loaded repos. I did a strace that shows it actually does "see" the repo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/602496/
[09:40] <ChrisBuchholz> Can you guys help me out?
[10:02] <twb> Please make logs with LC_ALL=C so they're in English
[10:02] <pracrash> how to make a bootable usb drive for windows 7 from ubuntu
[10:02] <twb> pracrash: last time I looked, Windows did not support booting from USB
[10:03] <pracrash> twb, really but my cd rom doesnt works is there any other solution
[10:04] <ChrisBuchholz> pracrash twb: sure you can make a windows 7 usb pen (or drive)
[10:04] <ChrisBuchholz> but i dont know about doing it from ubuntu
[10:05] <pracrash> ChrisBuchholz, twb i searched in google there r but im a new user n ubuntu so i don kno
[10:06] <ChrisBuchholz> pracrash: but it can be done. This guide shows how to make an usb-pen installer for windows, and how can you make an usb pen "bootable": http://www.intowindows.com/how-to-install-windows-7vista-from-usb-drive-detailed-100-working-guide/
[10:06] <ChrisBuchholz> maybe it can help you
[10:06] <pracrash> ChrisBuchholz thanks man
[10:12] <pracrash> ChrisBuchholz, but is there any way to make it from ubuntu
[10:13] <pracrash> ChrisBuchholz, cuz the link u gave only has how to make from windows
[10:14] <twb> Really oneiric ?  Do you expect the unwashed to even be able to SPELL that correctly?
[10:15]  * twb grumles
[10:15] <twb> *grumbles
[10:16] <maxb> Mark Shuttleworth is expanding our vocabularies, one adjective at a time? :-)
[10:16] <twb> At least it's not another synonym for dapper
[10:18] <twb> GOod heavens, natty's installer has a magenta background instead of blue
[10:18] <maxb> That amused me too :-)
[10:18] <ChrisBuchholz> pracrash: as i said, i dont know how to make from ubuntu. But it can might give you some ideas
[10:19] <twb> I would use lucid except fb=false is broken in lucid d-i :-/
[10:19] <twb> Can you do an oem install from d-i?
[10:20] <twb> Where's the syslinux file from a conventional install CD...
[10:30] <twb> Looks like I just ensure the preseed installs oem-config
[10:33] <twb> OR, I include oem-config-udeb in the installer component list
[10:39] <pimperle> after installing 11.04 server and selecting de:nodeadkeys during installation, the keyboard layout is set to us per default. How can i fix this?
[10:39] <pimperle> is this a known issue (i couldn't find anything related on lp)
[10:43] <twb> 16:37 <STF> twb; you wasn't totaly wrong, but it is console-data, which need to be installed an reconfigure ;)
[10:43] <twb> pimperle: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[10:43] <pimperle> twb: console-data is not installed
[10:44] <twb> Then I guess you need to install it
[10:46] <pimperle> twb: after installation i could select the correct layout, but it didn't change / fix the problem
[10:46] <twb> Shrug
[10:46] <pimperle> now i tried reconfigure and it worked... lets see, if it sustains a reboot
[10:48] <pimperle> after a reboot the changes are gone
[10:48] <twb> 16:18 <twb> I suppose you might not have the relevant packages installed, but unless you've gone through removing things, you should have them
[10:48] <twb> 16:18 <twb> IIRC they would be console-setup, xkb-data, and kbd or console-tools
[10:56] <pimperle> the box was freshly installed, so i can say i didn't manually remove them
[10:57] <pimperle> i'll check if they are installed
[10:57] <pimperle> all are there
[10:57] <pimperle> i already noticed this behaviour on the betas and it didn't vanish
[10:58] <pimperle> #740818 is the same issue
[10:58] <pimperle> but it doesn't seem to get a lot of attention
[11:41] <Kream> Hi all, when I try and boot Ubuntu Server 10.04.02 LTS I get the error : No common CD-ROM drive was detected . anyone know how I can fix this?
[11:48] <twb> put a CD in?
[11:58] <Kream> lol
[11:59] <Kream> its a bug
[11:59] <Kream> that first came up in 8.04
[12:42] <amero> does anyone have any idea why rsync seems to always fail to files/dirs permission
[12:42] <amero> --chmod=Da+rwx,Fa+wr
[12:43] <amero> am i missing something?
[13:09] <pmatulis> amero: dunno, never tried --chmod with rsync, i'm guessing you don't have the permissions to do that
[13:11] <amero> don't have the permission? im syncing folders in the same user acc as i run rsync with
[13:12] <pmatulis> amero: use --verbose to get more info
[13:15] <pmatulis> amero: --chmod will have no effect if --perms is not also used
[13:16] <amero> not much useful info. just list of folder/files being synced
[13:16] <amero> and these
[13:16] <amero> sent 31787052 bytes  received 755 bytes  21191871.33 bytes/sec
[13:16] <amero> total size is 31780310  speedup is 1.00
[13:17] <amero> that's what it showed with the verbose flag
[13:18] <pmatulis> amero: what is the complete command you're using?
[13:20] <amero> nice -n 19 rsync -r --chmod=Duo+rwx,Fa+wr --delete --delete-excluded --size-only --verbose --exclude-from '/home/user/serverfiles/sync_exclude.txt' syncthis/ /home/user/rsynctest/
[13:24] <pmatulis> amero: right, so use --perms
[13:25] <pmatulis> amero: this is the global directive to manage permissions
[13:25] <pmatulis> amero: usually used to preserve source permissions
[13:25] <pmatulis> amero: but if you're creating your own, you still need that option
[13:30] <amero> aha it works now :)
[13:31] <amero> is it possible to exclude or auto delete empty dirs in the dest dirs?
[13:32] <amero> their contents get excluded by the exclude list but rsync created those folders anyway
[13:33] <pmatulis> amero: probably, read the man page (that's how i answered your first question)
[13:36] <amero> :p
[13:43] <zul> morning
[13:43] <hggdh> moi zul
[13:43] <zul> hey hggdh you are up early
[13:44] <hggdh> aye
[13:58] <liekzomg> anyone tried luks on raid5? i'm getting like 1/6th non-encrypted performance. any pointers in the right direction would be appreciated.
[14:05] <patdk-wk> liekzomg, luks is limited to a single cpu, per luks volume
[14:05] <liekzomg> patdk-wk: it's only using like 5% cpu in top
[14:11] <STF> how can i manipulate the keymap.sh in that way that i have my german layout
[14:16] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: howdy! So I was looking into the orchestra stuff and I was wondering if the import script should be setting the preseed automatically?
[14:16] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: hey :)
[14:17] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: it does set the preseed automatically afaik
[14:17] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: there's an import-isos script that takes care of that, I think it's not running on install though
[14:18] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: we're working towards having orchestra stable for next week's event
[14:18] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: cool. I have installed it yesterday (only the provisioning server) and seems stable enough to me so far
[14:19] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: we're still missing some pieces, rsyslog and collectd and also polish a bit the puppet integration
[14:19] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: and importing mini ISO's is not setting the preseed automatically because the script imports mini.iso's. But I'll take care of that ;)
[14:20] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: yeah, that's the bug we filled up, I think you're following that one up right?
[14:20] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: yeah but i've seen you guys have done quite a bit already so I don't think you'll have major issues.
[14:21] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: yeah the week with kirkland was extra fruitful
[14:21] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman: yeah I already release a fix for the mini iso import though, the issue is given when trying to create repos. Since the mini.iso does not have any info about it, then we still have to import it by specifying breed and os_version, and we need to speicfy kickstart too
[14:30] <STF> hi i need to know how to manipulate my ubuntu-server that i have my de-latin1-nodeadkeys and not the stupid, through bugs in the install routine setted, qwerty-default
[14:32] <STF> can anyone of you give me a step-by-step introduction, cause reconfigure console-data, or sth else doesn't work
[14:45] <zoopster> STF: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" will allow you to select the keyboard you want if you chose the wrong one during the install
[14:48] <dob_> somebody using mysql with ipv6?
[14:49] <dob_> I am using ubuntu 10.04 and want that my mysql server listens on the ipv6 interface.
[14:50] <STF> zoopster: you don't listening to me that doesn't work, and i am do not know why, in the procedure of console-setup, i won't get the question after layout it self
[14:51] <zoopster> STF: you are right. I'm reading and you never said you used dpkg-reconfigure console-setup so good luck.
[14:52] <STF> zoopster: sry for failing information
[14:53] <Steve[cug]> question for you guys.  anyone happen to know the success rate offhand of upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 using do-release-upgrade?
[14:54] <zoopster> 50% - either it works or it doesn't
[14:55] <zoopster> just kidding...doubt there are metrics on it - it's word of mouth
[14:55] <Steve[cug]> >.<
[14:55] <zoopster> in testing they likely need a pretty high success rate
[14:55] <Steve[cug]> yeah well I have been burned in the past when trying to go LTS to LTS
[14:56] <Steve[cug]> im hoping going from release to release is a bit easier
[14:56] <zoopster> there are many factors as you know so your mileage may vary
[14:56] <Steve[cug]> yeah
[14:56] <zoopster> I've not had much trouble, but my setup is rather simple
[14:56] <Steve[cug]> most of my VMs are pretty simple.  the only thing even marginally complex is the KVM server
[14:56] <Steve[cug]> KVM + LVM for disk
[14:57] <zoopster> it's impractical to test all of the possible scenarios
[15:01] <zoopster> STF: if you know the layout, then just change /etc/default/console-setup and restart it
[15:04] <STF> zoopster: where need i change /etc/default/console-setup
[15:07] <zoopster> STF: in my 10.10 server the last section is the keyboard configuration section but I don't know the exact syntax you need for your keyboard layout so you'll need to search on it  - that's why using the reconfigure option helps with it's picklist
[15:11] <STF> zoopster: i am not sure if did the right things in the right order, or if had only luck. now i have my german layout
[15:13] <zoopster> STF: well...computers don't know about luck so you must have done the right thing.
[15:14] <STF> zoopster: first i had edit the /etc/default/keyboard, than i run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, after this i run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, and now it is fine
[15:17] <STF> zoopster: maybe and here i am not sure, but i also the reconfigure of console-setup at beginning, but this i think should not have any effects on the following commands
[15:40] <dob_> is there already any 5.5 backport for mysql?
[15:48] <MTecknology> Is there much difference in performance between Ext4 with journaling turned off and Ext2?
[15:53] <patdk-wk> damn :( imp 5.0.2 broke :(
[15:53] <patdk-wk> mtecknology, yes, but not much, mainly just extents
[15:54] <patdk-wk> oh, performance :)
[15:54] <patdk-wk> dunno
[16:02] <ikonia> well, my session with Ungika went nowhere, it ended with him saying "I'll hack the ban and change ip"
[16:02] <ikonia> dissapointed
[16:16] <ikonia> oops, wrong channel
[16:25] <ppetraki> MTecknology, you're assuming that EXT4 hasn't made any improvements in other areas in the meantime.
[16:26] <ppetraki> MTecknology, best way to find out is test
[16:26] <ppetraki> MTecknology, just for the sake of supportability, you might want to stick with the newer incarnation of the filesystem
[16:27] <MTecknology> ppetraki: the system we're dealing with defaults to installing with ext2; that's why the curiousity
[16:29] <ppetraki> MTecknology, it's a curious observation, though short of an FS expert, the next best way to get the requisite data is to test, or ask on the ext mailing list
[16:29] <Angryfurby> morning guys i am having a issue of apache on ubuntu 10.10 not loading the correct certificates
[16:29] <Angryfurby> even though the  configs are correct
[16:38] <axisys> it does not look like motd gets updated..
[16:38] <axisys> it is showing old message
[16:38] <axisys> 20 packages can be updated.
[16:38] <axisys> 7 updates are security updates.
[16:38] <axisys> I already updated them few days ago
[16:38] <axisys> it is 10.04.2 LTS
[17:05] <Angryfurby> does anyone know what ubuntu renamed the httpd binarys too
[17:09] <zul> apache2
[17:11] <Angryfurby> how do i run the httpd -S command on ubuntu
[17:11] <Angryfurby> sorry newbie question
[17:26] <zul> apache2 -S
[17:26] <tsrk> When I try to "modprobe amd64_edac_mod" I get this error: "FATAL: Error inserting amd64_edac_mod (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-server/kernel/drivers/edac/amd64_edac_mod.ko): No such device". Why is this happening?
[17:28] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: where you able to test squid-deb-proxy?
[17:30] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: arg, no, i had to reinstall my desktop yesterday
[17:30] <kirkland> nijaba: are you filing (or have you filed) blueprints for PaaS stacks for UDS?
[17:31] <Angryfurby> anyone know how to fix apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}
[17:32] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: no worries ;). just let me know if you want me to work on something related before UDS
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: how about a wiki page in http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler ?
[17:32] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: with a step-by-step how-to on getting Cobbler running on 11.04?
[17:32]  * RoAkSoAx checks
[17:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: *that* would be outstanding before UDS ;-)
[17:33] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: sure I can do that
[17:33] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: poke me as soon as you do, and I'll walk through the instructions and enhance as necessary
[17:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will do
[17:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: rock
[17:49] <koolhead17> zul: ping
[17:55] <zilleplus> any1 who could help with configuring a ircd-hybrid server?
[17:58] <zul> koolhead17: pong
[17:59] <koolhead17> zul: saw your blog regarding cobbler install on natty.
[18:00] <zul> koolhead17: cool
[18:00] <koolhead17> I am also following http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/09/17/travelling-linux-lab-controller-in-a-box/ blog. i wanted to know do i have to manually install dhcp server?
[18:00] <koolhead17> i am not touching koan as of now :P
[18:00] <koolhead17> i just need to see PXEinstall running via virtualbox enviornment
[18:01] <koolhead17> i find the GUI for the same overloaded with infos so what will be your suggestion :)
[18:03] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: as a matter of fact I'm in the process of writing documentation on how to get cobbler up and running, and importing ISO's
[18:03] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: deploying VM's with koan in KVM
[18:03] <RoAkSoAx> etc
[18:04] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: cool. when is it coming?
[18:06] <koolhead17> wanna give it a try on virtualbox right away :P
[18:08] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: I expect it to have it finished in the next couple of days
[18:10] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: nice. but can you suggest me if i really need to install dhcp server saperately? i don`t want koan to run pxe install i suppose. koan creats a virtual bridge as well
[18:10] <Blulix> Um hey.
[18:11] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: koan uses a virtual bridge
[18:12] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: yes. i want to know in order to use simple PXEinstall(without koan) do i need to install dhcp server as well on system which has cobbler installed?
[18:12] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: in KVM for example, you need to PXE from a VM that uses br0 (the bridge), while with koan, we can make the VM use both, the bridge (br0) or NAT (virbr0)
[18:13] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: yes you would need a DHCP server somewhere, not necessarily in the machine running cobbler
[18:13] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: however, you need to tell that dhcp server that the PXE is the machine running cobbler
[18:13] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: /etc/cobbler/settings
[18:14] <koolhead17> and i can use the dhcp template available with cobbler to run my dhcp server at same time
[18:14] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: by default in the installation you won't need a dhcp server
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: for example, in my case, my DHCP server is a router running dd-wrt. For it to allow me to PXE, I need to tell my router's DNSMasq that the PXE server is *another* machine
[18:16] <koolhead17> hmm but when am defining my system i have to tell it the IP it should use?
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: so, I added this as additional DNSMasq options = "dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,,192.168.X.X" where 192.168.X.X is the address of my cobbler server
[18:17] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: so, I added this as additional DNSMasq options = "dhcp-boot=pxelinux.0,,192.168.X.X" where 192.168.X.X is the address of my cobbler server
[18:17] <koolhead17> it mean i should not install saperate dhcp server
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: if you don't have a DHCP server already somewhere in the network, yes you need one
[18:18] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: if you *do have* one already, then you don't need one. You just need to tell it to use the cobbler server as the PXE server
[18:19] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: i will install one, then and put the same credentials in inside the cobbler settings file.
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: i haven'
[18:20] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: https://answers.launchpad.net/cobbler/+question/155633  i also have this issue
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: i haven't personally used cobbler with DHCP, but let me know how it goes!
[18:20] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: doing right away
[18:20] <koolhead17> i will simply install cobbler not koan though :P
[18:20] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: that's nothing to worry about
[18:21] <koolhead17> ooh ok
[18:21] <koolhead17> lemme install cobbler then
[18:25] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: aah. my modem has dhcp server running. :)
[18:26] <Blulix> Is there anyone here with the time to help me sort of a problem or two with this cloud/cluster setup?
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: ahh that might be a problem if you are not able to tell your DHCP server that the PXE server is your cobbler machine
[18:26] <RoAkSoAx> @ask | Blulix
[18:27] <RoAkSoAx> !ask | Blulix
[18:27] <Blulix> Uh okay? Just wondered since this is ubuntu-server, but there's not many active people in ubuntu-cloud
[18:28] <RoAkSoAx> Blulix: yeah just ask your qestion and if someone knows the answer we'll be happy to help ;)
[18:28] <koolhead17> Blulix: :)
[18:28]  * koolhead17 is on ubuntu-cloud too :P
[18:28] <Blulix> Ehehe, I'll try to summarise then.
[18:28] <koolhead17> sure :P
[18:29] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, o/
[18:30] <Blulix> Basically I have my controller and node controller connected to my router which is on the internet but during node controller install it refuses to see the controller and if i type in the controller host name it then sees it but says that walrus isn't running or something, even though the controller has everytbign except the node-controller installed.
[18:30]  * Blulix just realised that isn't actually a question. xD
[18:30] <koolhead17> is it eucalyptus
[18:30] <Blulix> Yup
[18:30] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: o/
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> Blulix: have you tried to register everything manually?
[18:31] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: how's it going?
[18:32] <Blulix> RoAkSoAx: Yes, and that causes another myriad of problems where it sees the node but refuses to connect to it becuase the creds are missing even though they arent. >.>
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> Blulix: what ubuntu release are you running?
[18:32] <Blulix> 10.04
[18:32] <RoAkSoAx> Blulix: uhmmm I think that the keys are synced in the wrong place then
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> I remember seeing something similar
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> though I don't recall what was the exact fix
[18:33] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, things are good.  busy but good.  you?
[18:33] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: pretty good actually, not as busy as you I pressume :) (at least not yet)
[18:34] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, haha.  well, it comes in waves sometimes.  it's gotten quieter since our sprint.  if only there were no customers calling.
[18:34] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: by any chance i have to disable apparmor in order to get dhcp working without any issue :D
[18:35] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: hehehe I guess that's one of the benefits of being in my position (not having to deal with customers as much as ytou do :))
[18:35] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: I don't really think so
[18:35] <marrusl> actually, speaking of that I have a question (for anyone really)...  /etc/network/if-up.d/ethtool.  it seems like it's not running at all or at the right time on boot up.
[18:36] <jdstrand> dhcp should work just fine with apparmor enabled (client and server). if not, file a bug
[18:36] <Blulix> Actually, is there possibly another system I could use for a cluster running client VM's?
[18:36] <marrusl> they're trying to apply HARDWARE_DMA_RING_ rx 512 via /etc/network/interfaces
[18:36] <marrusl> it doesn't apply on boot, but if you ifdown and back up, they apply.
[18:36] <marrusl> might be a question for #upstart :)
[18:37] <koolhead17> jdstrand: sure
[18:37] <marrusl> ugh.  i didn't even look for a bug first.  maybe I should do that first. :)
[18:38] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: are you using web interface for your work? i find it with soo many options :)
[18:39] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: I use both (command line and the web interface)
[18:42] <koolhead17> ok
[18:47] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: you going to UDS this time?
[18:49] <InYourGroove> can anyone help me with a ubuntu server ec2 instance?
[18:55] <patdk-wk> InYourGroove, dunno
[18:56] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, yes!  leaving on saturday.
[18:56] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: cool, same here
[18:56] <marrusl> excellent.
[18:56] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: I'm actually flyiung to NY first
[18:57] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, are you flying from JFK saturday night?
[18:57] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: morning... flight to budapest leaves afternoon
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: flight to budapest leaves at 6:40, maybe we are in the same flight?
[18:58] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, aha.  yup.  same flight.
[18:58] <RoAkSoAx> cool
[18:59] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, Roberto from presales will be there too.
[18:59] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, so we'll have company trying to figure out what the heck is going on when we get there :)
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: there's quite a few other ppl
[18:59] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: I know of at least 2 other ppl from florida in the same flight. One is community member though
[19:00] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, ah, right... makes sense.  i'm so lucky I have a single direct flight  :-D
[19:01] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: hehe yeah you're lucky as most flights to europe are either from JFK or Ohare
[19:01] <marrusl> JFK++
[19:02] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: as long as my bags don't get lose I'm fine with layovers
[19:02] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: last time coming from austing I left like 9.30 and arrived to MIA like 10.30
[19:02] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, that's the danger I guess.
[19:02]  * RoyK just setup a nice quad-server-box, 2U thing from supermicro with 4 mobos with 64GB and 2 x 12-core opterons - COOL
[19:03] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, yes.   I also had a *grueling* 43 minute flight from NY to MTL for the sprint.  so tired after that.  ;)
[19:04] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: hehe well I guess those just oour "occupational hazards"
[19:04] <RoAkSoAx> hehe
[19:04] <RoAkSoAx> s/our/our only
[19:04] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, yep.  actually UDS this time will be my first big jet lag for work.  i've been lucky so far.
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: don't sleep when we get there. Try to stay awake you wont be jetlagged the rest of the week
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: I did that when we went to Belgium...
[19:05] <RoAkSoAx> and had an amazing, not jetlagged week
[19:06] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, nice.  I will give it a try.
[19:07] <marrusl> I can't reproduce my customer's ethtool error it seems.  grrr.
[19:07] <RoAkSoAx> the weirdness of upstart
[19:08]  * marrusl zips lip.
[19:09] <remix_tj> hi guys! anyone working with vmware esx?
[19:09] <remix_tj> every time i upgrade kernel of a vm i need to reinstall vmware tools... any idea on how to avoid this?
[19:11] <zul> marrusl: i usually go walk around the hotel when i get there
[19:12] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: btw.. where you guys able to test the CLC HA??
[19:12] <marrusl> zul, my walk will probably go as long as it takes to find a good bar.
[19:13]  * RoAkSoAx wants to check the city
[19:13] <zul> marrusl:  to each their own ;)
[19:13] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, I haven't.  You might ask TREllis or TeTeT.
[19:13] <marrusl> :-/  sorry!
[19:14] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: well I guess it doesn't make muchg sense now since Eucalyptus will release their own HA stuff
[19:14] <marrusl> zul, maybe I'll hold off right off the plane though, it will be morning.  :)
[19:14] <zul> marrusl: heh hasnt stopped me before
[19:15] <marrusl> RoAkSoAx, well, there's that.  bet you learned more than you wanted to know about Euca working on it!
[19:16] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: yeah you can say that hehe
[19:16] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl: i think they probably learned more about HA after doing that
[19:17] <RoAkSoAx> (after I released the blogpost and saw that it is simple to do HA ;) )
[19:20] <marrusl> ok, off to do some dishes before my wife gets home!
[19:20] <RoAkSoAx> marrusl_afk: hahah enjoy!!
[19:53] <bastidrazor> i'm using unbound to serve my LAN with dns resolving.. if i get a servfail on a well known website *facebook.com ..how do i tell it, hey stupid facebook is at IP: ......
[20:00] <ahs3> bastidrazor: there's probably several ways to do that with unbound.  i think i'd find out why you got a servfail first, though.
[20:09] <bastidrazor> ahs3: how might i accomplish that?
[20:09] <Defusal_> hi everyone, can anyone tell me how you deal with your servers dns suddenly dying, even though the dns servers are still functional?
[20:13] <ahs3> bastidrazor: dig is your friend -- e.g., dig @server A www.facebook.com
[20:23] <bencc> I think I'm hitting max open file descriptors limit in my server
[20:23] <bencc> "sudo cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr" gives me "1024 0 38001" and it doesn't go over 1024
[20:23] <bencc> I thought that the 1024 limit is per user
[20:23] <bencc> on my server several users are using the file descriptors so how do I hit the limit?
[20:24] <alamar> depends on your configuration? limits.conf or cgroups
[20:25] <bastidrazor> ahs3: weird. all is working well now. i was using dig beforehand as well.
[20:25] <bencc> alamar: in /etc/security/limits.conf I have "root hard nofile 30000" and "root soft nofile 30000"
[20:26] <bencc> alamar: "ulimit -a" gives me 1024
[20:28] <alamar> did you login as root?
[20:28] <bencc> alamar: no, but I'm using sudo
[20:33] <ahs3> bastidrazor: very possible.  unbound does pre-fetching of some entries and does some other optimizations so it's possible that it took a bit for the cache to fill
[20:35] <alamar> bencc: as root you can change the ulimits anyway. as user you cannot define your ulimits. ulimits are set on LOGIN. so sudo doesnt change your limits
[20:37] <bencc> alamar: I didn't know that
[20:38] <bencc> alamar: I still don't understand why am I hitting the 1024 limit if each user uses only part of it
[20:38] <bencc> I thought the 1024 limit is per user and not a global limit
[20:38] <bencc> "more /proc/sys/fs/file-max" gives me 38001
[20:39] <alamar> bencc: depends on the limit configuration in your limits.conf
[20:40] <alamar> and or other restrictions by your environment (like openvz/cgroups or whatever)
[20:40] <bencc> in /etc/security/limits.conf I have "root hard nofile 30000" and "root soft nofile 30000"
[20:40] <bencc> I'm running ubuntu on slicehost. not sure about openvz/cgroups
[20:45] <RoyK>  21:45:48 up  5:00,  2 users,  load average: 24.51, 24.42, 22.64
[20:47] <JanC> RoyK: cool  :P
[20:47] <JanC> (well, probably things are getting hot instead)
[20:48] <RoyK> JanC: it took those scientists a couple of hours to fill all the new compute nodes to the rim
[20:48] <RoyK> 96 cores in 2U is rather nice :D
[20:48] <JanC> RoyK: wait, how many cores do you have?  :P
[20:49] <JanC> lol
[20:49] <RoyK> it's four 2x12core + 64GB RAM servers in 2U
[20:49] <JanC> so 24 is 30% usage or so?  ☺
[20:49] <RoyK> JanC: no, that's per node
[20:49] <JanC> ah
[20:50] <JanC> right
[20:50] <RoyK> so a total of 96 cores and 256GB RAM in 2U
[20:50] <RoyK> pretty dense
[20:50] <JanC> uhu
[20:50] <JanC> 24 cores & load 24 is nice
[20:51] <RoyK> we have another 24core pizzabox and an older 16core pizzabox (1U both)
[20:51] <JanC> so, you playing Doom on it?  :P
[20:51] <RoyK> nah - met models, mostly
[20:52] <RoyK> backed by 60TB of storage, perhaps half of it in use atm
[20:53] <JanC> RoyK: when I talked to some guy from sara.nl some years ago, they also did "mostly" scientific stuff, but also an occasional game of Quake in their VR room to "test" it  ;)
[20:53] <RoyK> lol
[20:53] <RoyK> perhaps I should try that ;)
[20:53] <JanC> they do have slightly more computing power than you have though
[20:54] <RoyK> I can guess - I'm working for nilu.no - not too much compute power needed here yet
[20:54] <RoyK> but the more they get, they more they crave....
[20:54] <JanC> haha
[20:55] <JanC> RoyK: not using graphics cards for computation?
[20:55] <RoyK> a year back, we had something like 10% of what we have now, but then, the more power, the better the models get, and the more data they feed the models, the more CPU power they need, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum
[20:56] <RoyK> JanC: we're not there yet, a lot of the models are still based on old f77 code. they're working on rewriting that
[20:56] <soren> Jevons paradox
[20:56] <soren> When you acquire or discover more efficient ways of doing "stuff" you just end up doing more of it.
[20:57] <JanC> http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/university-of-antwerp-stuffs-13-gpus-into-fastra-ii-supercompute/ --> 12 teraflops on a 6000 € "supercomputer"
[20:57] <soren> Not *exactly* the same, but very much similar.
[20:58] <RoyK> soren: well, I'm not sure that's the case - in a met model, if you can use smaller cells, you get far better results
[20:59] <RoyK> but I know - GPUs are the best way as of now - we just don't have the code for it (Yet)
[20:59] <adam_g> window 6
[20:59] <RoyK> adam_g: add a / to that
[20:59] <adam_g> of course!
[20:59] <RoAkSoAx> lol
[21:00] <JanC> RoyK: in theory GPUs aren't as fast as possible, but they easily beat other vector processors in price/performance because of volume
[21:00] <JanC> because of volume of sales
[21:01] <RoyK> JanC: I know, and modelling windfields, which is the thing they mostly do, is the perfect application for GPUs
[21:02] <JanC> putting a GPU-like processor on a multiprocessor bus instead of on PCI/PCIE would make them even more performant  ;)
[21:02] <RoyK> pci-e is pretty fast, though
[21:03] <RoyK> so long as you have enough local memory for the GPU
[21:06] <RoyK> hm... running at 100% for an hour or so, these half-width 1U units show a system temperature of 53 degrees C (2x12-core opterons)
[21:06] <RoyK> not that bad
[21:07] <JanC> that's inside the case?
[21:07] <JanC> not bad
[21:09] <RoyK> JanC: as reported by IPMI
[21:09] <RoyK> aka ILOM aka ALOM aka iLO
[21:09] <RoyK> aka BMC...
[21:12] <RoyK> supermicro ILOM is pretty neat - remote console to all four machines earlier today with vitual media - an .iso file with ubuntu 10.04 server x64 - installing all of them in less than an hour - all at once
[21:12] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: is the approach to use cobbler assuming that there's already a DHCP server on the network, or use cobbler as the DHCP too?
[21:15] <JanC> RoyK: my SuperMicro board doesn't have ILOM, but then again, it's a workstation board, not a server board  ;)
[21:15] <RoyK> all (or most) of supermicro server boards have IPMI
[21:16] <JanC> there is software-based IPMI for the workstation boards
[21:16] <RoyK> I have two supermicros without it, one is two years old, the other with a desktop board
[21:16] <RoyK> that doesn't count :P
[21:16] <JanC> right
[21:16] <JanC> hardware-based would have been cool, but probably somewhat uncommon for a desktop  ;)
[21:17] <RoyK> no need for that for most desktops, though
[21:17] <JanC> RoyK: it could be useful in large companies
[21:17] <JanC> with centralised IT
[21:17] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: around
[21:18] <RoyK> JanC: there are some systems for that - centralised desktops - get a 1U system with  VGA over TP and centralise it all
[21:18] <RoyK> even for high-end graphical workstations
[21:18] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: yes
[21:19] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: am having strange issue in configuring the standalone dhcp server
[21:19] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: how so
[21:19] <JanC> RoyK: well, I have played FPS games on a multiseat...  ;)
[21:20] <RoyK> hehe
[21:20] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: no subnet declaration for eth0(ip) and also not configured to listen on any interface.
[21:20] <JanC> unfortunately that's getting more & more complicated since XGL is abandoned...
[21:21] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: you might wanna follow: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/serverguide/C/dhcp.html and add the following to point to the cobbler server:
[21:21] <RoAkSoAx>  next-server 172.28.1.103; filename "pxelinux.0"
[21:21] <RoAkSoAx> ;
[21:22] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: in different lines. anyways I'm off to lunch
[21:22]  * RoAkSoAx starving
[21:22] <koolhead17> ok.
[21:22] <RoyK> JanC: what about aigxl?
[21:23] <JanC> RoyK: that's not a nested X server that supports GL
[21:24] <RoyK> JanC: sorry, I don't get it - what's the difference?
[21:24] <JanC> RoyK: putting different users on each head of a multi-head graphics cards
[21:25] <RoyK> IC
[21:25] <JanC> current max. is 14 users on 7 dual head nvidia cards; and only Asus has a mobo with 7 16x PCIE slots
[21:25] <RoyK> perhaps redhat comes up with a solution for that for just $1k per user per year :P
[21:25] <JanC> AFAIK  ;)
[21:26] <RoyK> JanC: IIRC supermicro has one too
[21:26] <RoyK> or at least 6x
[21:26] <RoyK> we have a few of those
[21:26] <JanC> there are several that have 6x
[21:27] <JanC> but my knowledge might be outdated
[21:28] <JanC> I remember telling the owner of the company that sells Ubuntu multiseats here in Belgium about the 7x mobo last year
[21:28] <JanC> (he's a sponsor of our locoteam)
[21:29] <RoyK> that current max, is that om XGL or AIXGL?
[21:30] <JanC> XGL
[21:30] <RoyK> on AIXGL, what would you get?
[21:30] <JanC> probably 7
[21:30] <RoyK> wtf did they change that?
[21:31] <JanC> AIGLX never was a nested X server
[21:31] <RoyK> I'd guess you could go even further with a proper board
[21:31] <RoyK> ic
[21:31] <JanC> and xephyr & xnest don't support GL
[21:32] <JanC> and ATI graphics cards don't support XGL (they have triple head cards)
[21:32] <JanC> http://www.multiseatcomputer.be/multiseat-voor-twaalf-gebruikers.html to see some pics of a 12-seat machine  ;)
[21:32] <RoyK> I don't get it - what's the point of something with X not supporting GL nowadays?
[21:32] <JanC> it's not that simpel I guess
[21:32] <JanC> simple
[21:33] <JanC> 410 W for 12 users
[21:33] <RoyK> if XGL did it, and the source is open, it should be pretty simple to redo it
[21:33] <RoyK> heh so < 40W per user (minus the monitor, I guess)
[21:33] <JanC> well, somebody was working on GL support in Xephyr last year, but...
[21:34] <JanC> RoyK: including the monitors AFAIK
[21:34]  * RoyK still guesses redhat will come up with a 'genuine solution' soon that will cost a lot
[21:36] <talcite> hi. Is there any way to show the differences between a config file from a repo package and the current config file?
[21:38] <RoyK> talcite: if you've installed the package and then changed the config, not directly, but you could move the config file to somewhere else and reinstall the package (apt-get remove --purge xxx; apt-get install xxx), or perhaps install the source code for the package (apt-get source xxx) and find the config file and look for changes
[21:38] <talcite> RoyK: ah. Can't do that. It's a production server
[21:38] <RoyK> talcite: then install the source and look for the config file
[21:39] <talcite> RoyK: hmm I can do that. Thanks!
[21:39] <RoyK> the source will install in current directory (from where you run apt-get source)
[21:39] <talcite> I see. I'll keep that in mind.
[22:03] <vorlov> hello
[22:03] <vorlov> can anyone help me w/ a slight problem on aws>
[22:03] <vorlov> ?
[22:05] <vorlov> there seems to be a problem with the new natty ami
[22:05] <JanC> !help
[22:06] <vorlov> I have an ec2 setup with natty ami , 64bit EBS... whenever i "stop" (shutdown) the instance, it can never recover again
[22:06] <vorlov> it loads up with mounting problems and then kills itself restarting again and again...
[22:07] <vorlov> here's the startup log excerpt: http://pastebin.com/Acv87Cdr
[22:07] <vorlov> any ideas how to battle that?
[22:08] <vorlov> reboots work fine, until the first shutdown... from the first shutdown one cannot recover...
[22:09] <vorlov> i forgot to mention this is done on an "m1.large"
[22:19] <koolhead17> jdstrand: apparmor is creating the issue with permission denied mknod
[22:20] <teb7030> hi. I was wondering if anyone had some input on my installation problem : Im trying to install ubuntu server 11.04 on a brand new HP DL380G7 via a usb key. Under the installation menu, if i select installl or boot via usb, i get a screen blink, then nuthing happenes.. anyone have any idea?
[22:24] <metalf88011> teb7030 how long are you waiting and what did you use to make the USB installer?
[22:26] <teb7030> metalf88011 : i used that tool ubuntu linked on their website
[22:26] <teb7030> metalf88011 : the menu came up straight after boot, install, boot via usb.. etc.. both blink with a flash (tried 10.4 too) same issue
[22:27] <metalf88011> There are 2 did you use Unetbootin?
[22:27] <metalf88011> did the flash driving come with U3 on it?
[22:27] <RoyK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP0sqRMzkwo
[22:30] <teb7030> metalf88011 : used Universal usb installer
[22:30] <teb7030> metalf88011 : no u3 on it
[22:32] <jdstrand> koolhead17: ok, please file a bug against the source package (dhcp3 or isc-dhcp) and add the 'apparmor' tag. please include your dmesg/kern.log as well and if it is a non-standard configuration, your dhcpd.conf
[22:33] <metalf88011> teb7030: Did you check the MD5SUM of the Ubuntu ISO after you downloaded it? This is most likely not the problem since you tried 2 different version but it still worth looking at
[22:33] <koolhead17> jbernard: i will confirm it once from my side before reporting it as bug :)
[22:38] <teb7030> metalf88011 : ill check that, and ill check with another usb key and another "burner" program
[22:39] <metalf88011> I've had problems using USB drives for installing software in the past when with the same hardware a CD has work just fine
[22:39] <vorlov> have you guys encountered a "no instance data found in start-local" trying to start ec2 w/ ubuntu
[22:39] <vorlov> ?
[22:40] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[22:41] <metalf88011> vorlov: I haven't sorry
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: never mind :)
[22:41] <vorlov> metalf88011: thanks anyways!
[22:41] <metalf88011> sure thing good luck
[22:42] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: howdy
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: haven't yet finished but is comming together
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cobbler
[22:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sweet ;-)
[22:43] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: should be assume a DHCP server is in the network or should cobbler be the DCHP serveR?
[22:43] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, well, that's a toughie
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i don't think we can automatically be the DHCP server
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we should debconf that, eventually
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: perhaps even check on the network if there's already a DHCP server
[22:44] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: i;ll just add a pointer that if there's an external DHCP to configure it to point to cobbler as the PXE then for now
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: and set the default answer in debconf accordingly
[22:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right
[22:45] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we could put a screenshot for something like dd-wrt, and pointers to how to configure other DHCP servers
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: will do
[22:45] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: and yeah, maybe autodetecting a DHCP server and configuring accordingly would be awesome
[22:56] <metalf88011> teb7030 Ubuntu has it's own program for making Live USB keys called " Startup Disk Creator" but I think you need to be running Ubuntu or another version of Linux to be able to use it
[23:47] <apocalipsys> Hi everyone
[23:49] <apocalipsys> have anyone tried to install mysql cluster?
[23:54] <apocalipsys> anyone?
[23:54] <apocalipsys> noone?
[23:58] <SpamapS> apocalipsys: yes
[23:59] <SpamapS> apocalipsys: I'm guessing you had problems because it conflicts w/ the mysql clients / libraries
[23:59] <apocalipsys> actually i'm wondering to have a good guide to beging a test with 3 mysql server
[23:59] <apocalipsys> s