[01:14] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/sony-attacked-again-12700-non-us-cc-numbers-feared-stolen.ars [01:14] gah! [01:20] Blazeix: heard much on the arch stable-ing out? [01:21] rick_h__: tough to tell, I'm pretty pissed that they moved from gtk2 to gtk3. [01:22] my boss made the switch this weekend [01:22] next day gnome3 [01:22] since there's only one gtk3 theme out there, you're going to lose your look/feel, assuming gtk factors into it. [01:22] he hopped on IM there and was just "talk about bad timing!" [01:22] yeah, luckily I use chrome/rxvt pretty much exclusively [01:22] yea, fortunately I've not gone gtk for much of anything at this point, though I know chrome/firefox pay some attention to it [01:23] so it isn't too bad, but chrome is ugly [01:23] ugh [01:23] bah, keep failing to install this pencil package as well [01:23] this is the default look for nautilus now: http://frabjous.ath.cx/files/upload/nautilus-adwaita.png [01:23] makes my eyes bleed. That's how it's supposed to look. [01:23] giant! [01:23] yea, I've been a long time thunar user [01:24] yeah, thunar looks terrible now, since I don't think there's an xfce/gtk3 integration [01:24] ugh [01:24] yea, I used to use lxappearance to help with my apps that listen to gtk stuff [01:24] guessing that's out the window [01:25] yeah, there's gnome-tweak-tool, and a config file you can edit to tweak stuff [01:25] gnome-tweak-tool will crash if you don't have gnome-shell installed, though. [01:25] the shots I've seen of the gnome3 desktop though is quite horrid [01:25] The whole thing just feels very raw. [01:25] welcome to OSS in 2011 [01:25] these are the times that test us... [01:26] it's almost enough to make me switch to a Qt desktop [01:26] almost [01:26] so I wonder how this is in ubuntu/unity land [01:26] that's gtk3 right? [01:26] not sure [01:26] wonder how other apps look with it [01:27] actually, I'm not sure if it's gtk3 [01:28] bah, this sucks. Can't get the app to install so do I sign up for a web service or not, that is the question [01:29] Unity is still gtk2 [01:30] just switch all to kubuntu and your life will be better [01:31] Yeah, after all, once the baby is out, who needs bathwater? [01:32] dammit, and twitter guys by client I finally like [01:32] the world is full of suck today [01:32] Which client? [01:32] tweetdeck [01:32] Brillant. ;) [01:33] Well, look on the bright side: it'll be supported the rest of it's life [01:33] wonder if I can get single use CC nubmers for my debit card [01:33] man I don't trust anyone right now [01:33] whether if that's tomorrow or two years from now is anybody's guess. :) [01:33] @#$@#% and chase is down? wtf people [01:34] I hear HP just bought lenovo, too. [01:35] and all tiling window managers are halting development [01:35] wha? [01:35] rick_h__: Time for the hermit life [01:35] greg-g: not actually [01:35] greg-g: just painting rick_h__'s worst nightmare [01:35] Blazeix: that's what I get for only switching over to this desktop and just reading one line of scroll back [01:35] heh [01:35] I'm going into depression/the bunker [01:35] sony hacked a freaking gain [01:35] HP buys Lenovo, Awesome stops development, and work mandates that everyone uses OSX [01:36] packages won't install, want to use a single use CC number for my debit card, but bank website is down and don't htink they support it [01:36] Including the servers [01:36] oh hell, now you're just doing crazy talk [01:36] rick_h__: What packages are you installing that require a debit card? [01:37] pencil install fails, so signing up for http://gomockingbird.com [01:37] oh lovely, if I was a mid-sized business chase would give me a single use account number [01:37] rick_h__: I'm sorry... I'm really sorry [01:37] but not little ole me [01:38] (that's what Doctor Who says before the other shoe drops" [01:38] that's it, emailing them I want a paypal option since I don't trust them with my CC number [01:38] rick_h__: will the AUR pencil-svn package not work? [01:39] Blazeix: no, build fails and not sure why tbh [01:39] trace isn't clear to me on what's failing/missing [01:39] rick_h__: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qG5/ <- I'm sorry, I'm really sorry. [01:40] What exactly is pencil supposed to do anyway? [01:40] oh interesting, I missed that it was FF based [01:40] that's probably it, sayhs ff3.5 [01:41] snap-l: mockup tool [01:41] I need to mock some bookie ui layouts [01:41] I don't think Pencil is what you're looking for [01:42] This appears to be a 2D animation tool [01:43] http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx [01:43] yea, wrong thing [01:44] Jesus, how many of these damn things are out there? [01:44] I've seen three, two of which were $80 [01:44] all web-based. [01:46] And it was at this moment that snap-l realized why that was, and snuck back to the rock to which he craweld from. [01:46] huh? [01:46] You're mocking up web-based interfaces, no? [01:46] So, naturally, you'd want something web-based. ;) [01:47] well I am, but mocking is just mocking [01:47] ColonelPanic001: you're needed in #bookie [04:08] Nuts, I think I cooked a motion sensor because I didn't understand how to hook it up right [13:21] g'morning [13:22] party [13:22] lots of $5 albums on amazon mp3 land [13:22] woo! new music to start the new day [13:28] party [13:28] but don't let snap-l hear that you're using and enjoying Amazon MP3.... :-) [13:31] hah, how can I use ubuntu one? I don't run ubuntu :P [13:33] !openmetalcast 20, recorded live at !penguicon. 19 people saw what went in, but nobody heard what came out. http://ur1.ca/42oc4 Scary! [13:34] wolfger: I prefer Ubuntu One because of the syncing. There's no question that Amazon has better sales. [13:34] rick_h__: It's only a matter of time before you're back to Ubuntu. ;) [13:34] heh, why sync, I've bought 10 albums and not downloaded one :) [13:35] rick_h__: Because I like having my music not suddenly vanish. ;) [13:35] Y'know... like a cloud on a windy day. [13:36] snap-l: they also have a new feature, it'll auto download [13:36] When you save your Amazon MP3 purchases to Cloud Drive, you can download new purchases from Cloud Drive to this computer automatically. [13:36] This setting is unique to each of your computers and must be set from Your Account > Your Amazon MP3 Settings from each computer. This setting can also be set for your Android device. [13:36] Ah, cool. [13:36] boom! [13:36] :P [13:36] May consider using it again [13:36] HEy, that was my biggest beef. If they fixed it, I'm settled. [13:36] not that I don't like supporting my canonical buddies, but sorry... [13:37] snap-l: the big thing is that U1 would do better sycning your existing stuff [13:37] uploading your stuff to cloud drive is a bit of a pita [13:39] Yeah, u1 needs to excell in that areal [13:39] Bah, where'd that extra l come from [13:42] the amazon mp3 player is pretty cool use it on my android all the time [13:42] uploaded my running music playlist to it, and then use the mp3 + my tracks when i run [13:43] mp3 player pauses when my tracks announces my time [15:43] I'm just joining this channel because greg-g is awesome [15:43] I love that guy. [15:43] Yeah, we're fans as well. [15:43] welcome to #greg-g-fanclub [15:43] :D [15:44] just as long as you're not here because you think brousch is awesome... :-p [15:44] heya paroneayea :) [15:44] I was about ready to give up computers and become a hermit until I met greg-g. Now I hang out in IRC all day and stroke the picture of greg-g that I have in my office. [15:44] He's so dreamy. [15:45] | <-- line snap-l --> * [15:45] * paroneayea pets greg-g's head softly [15:45] :) [15:45] too bad greg-g's already engaged. [15:45] and that I'm married. [15:45] * wolfger puts on the bow-chika-wow-wow music [15:45] * _stink_ gets the camcorder [15:46] ...it's like Penguicon all over again [15:46] only with less furries [15:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY <- Replace Ace Rimmer with greg-g, and you'll get it mostly right. [15:46] <_stink_> someone put on a wizard hat [15:46] yay, Red Dwarf! [15:47] greg-g: you don't know how we're all dressed. this is the internet! [15:47] wizard hat! I have one of those [15:47] % [15:47] \'. [15:47] \ '. [15:48] \ \ [15:48] _L__L_ [15:48] //~ ~ [15:48] G > [15:48] greg-g: Yeah. brousch is wearing his fursuit [15:48] / \\\\-------.__ * * * * [15:48] / ' \\\______ |T * MAGIC * [15:48] | \ \\ \| * * * * [15:48] warning, paroneayea likes his ascii art, he is my resident ascii art friend :) [15:48] percentage-wise, that would make this channel more furry-inhabited than pcon [15:49] <_stink_> COWSAY plz [15:51] paroneayea: Where's the magic stick? [15:51] Milyardo: greg-g doesn't need his magic stick [15:55] \'. [15:55] \ '. [15:55] \ \ [15:55] _L__L_ _ [15:55] //~ ~ / / [15:55] G > // [15:55] no magic sticks please. let's keep this sfw [15:55] / \\\\-------._// [15:55] / ' \\\______ |T3 [15:55] | \ \\ \// [15:55] oh man, i bogarted the ascii art [15:56] "Are dragons gay, Phil? Mighty warrior priests wielding golden staffs, I suppose they’re gay too. [16:33] http://imgur.com/xlAkI [16:41] lol [17:01] http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3163 [17:03] <_stink_> what a guy. [17:05] um, crap. SSDs fail a lot http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html [17:06] brousch: Yeah, and catastrophically. [17:07] this is not news i wanted to hear. make it go away [17:11] but the hotness [17:12] heh, never going to be on non-ssd here [17:12] never had issues with my intels. 2yr out of my old one before I sold it and a year into this one [17:17] i love that he references the hot/crazy scale. [17:38] greg-g: http://ejohn.org/blog/next-steps-in-2011/ kind of cool [17:38] open course type stuff it sounds like [17:42] rick_h__: cool, yeah, Khan Academy is pretty neat. I'm very glad that they have someone from Mozilla starting there working on Open Source stuff [21:27] https://twitter.com/#!/zedshaw/statuses/65510057437184001 [21:39] lol [21:39] <3 zedshaw [21:41] jcastro: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/308/ [21:41] jcastro: You're a freaking mind-worm. ;) [21:43] it was only 150 yrs ago. [21:43] Standard Time didn't come into existence until rail travel necessitated it. [21:43] and people did it according to the town tower. That is why towns had clock towers. [21:44] She just got a pocket watch, so that's where the question came up [21:44] tell her to find a town clock tower. [21:44] mine is at ntp.ubuntu.com :) [21:45] har har. :) [21:46] All I know is I wish everything I owned either set time via the internet or via WWVB [21:46] Or CallerID [21:47] There is no reason I should have to set the Wii's clock manually [21:51] Is there a way to use two power supplies to power *one* graphics card? If so would this solve the problem of a lower then recommended power supply? My power supply is a 250 watt and It is powering the motherboard and graphics card, I have another 250 watt power supply powering all of the fans and drives. I've disabled the pci slots, serial port, parelle port, mouse * keyboard port to save po [21:52] wer (I'm unsure if that made a difference or not however). [21:52] TeamXlink: Um... [21:53] Where oh where to begin... [21:53] Its amps that matter though right? [21:53] More then watts? [21:54] Well, let's just say if you're running two power supplies, and still not getting enough juice, that's indicative that there might be something else wrong [21:54] I guess my first question would be what prompted you to think you need more power for the vid card? [21:54] The recommended specifications and results of online searches. [21:55] does the video card have a separate power input? and you are using it on the secondary PS? [21:55] if it is a beefy enough video card, it is likely you don't have enough power. [21:55] 250W is very little. [21:56] Well, it's also likely you don't have the right connector either [21:56] also, the Vid Card spec should say how much it needs on the 5V rail. [21:56] snape-I: And the auto tune in the ati overdrive underclocks my graphics card due to insufficent power, or thats the reason I think it does that. [21:57] The graphics card has a 4 pin connector on it that is plugged into the power supply that is powering the motherbard and graphics card [21:57] Right, OK. [21:57] So it's drawing power from the Mobo and this separate cable? [21:58] Yes. [21:58] jrwren: I'll go fetch the link for you. [21:58] Yeah, I think you're not going to be easily able to drive that with two PS units. [21:59] It says 1.5v for agp4x [21:59] what kind of card? [21:59] AGP??/ zomg, ancient, how much power can it need? [21:59] http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD3650-Video-100258L/dp/B001L62INY [22:00] It is a 8x agp card but supports 4x agp [22:00] The fan on the one that arrived is different then the fan in the first pic, it looks like this one http://ec5.images-amazon.com/images/I/2185DP%2BbquL.jpg but it keeps temperatures realtively low. [22:01] 300W min. [22:01] yeah [22:01] so I'd try pluging the secondary power supply into the 4pin [22:01] Mine has 2 dvi ports as well I just noticed. [22:01] Alright. [22:01] maybe it will balance some from mobo and some from secondary [22:01] But that one is powering all of the other devices? [22:01] but its a gamble. [22:01] what "other devices" ? [22:01] drives dont' pull much. [22:02] jrwren: Newer drives don't. ;) [22:02] Hard drive 4 case fans [22:02] I used to have some 150MB Wren drives that needed a separate case / PSU to run. ;) [22:02] i don't know about fans, but given they are just electric motors like a hard drive, its going to be nearly nothing. [22:02] snap-l: right. [22:02] not just "newer drives" [22:02] It is filling the space where the disc drives would go so I don't have any disc drives installed unfortuenataly. [22:02] but anything even remotely modern. [22:03] jrwren: Yeah, just reminded me of that case. [22:03] It is a 60gb Western Digital WDC WD600BB-75CAA0 [22:04] TeamXlink: Yeah, you should be fine [22:04] TeamXlink: anything made within the last 15 yrs is going to be fine and draw very little power. [22:04] Alright thank you. [22:05] I eventually want to either get a power supply I can use for everything or find another way to mount the extra powersupply, using my drives in an external drive usb setup is vary slow. and I still haven't found a way to use the floppy drive as well. [22:06] one of 'em is a 60G... you could get a 2TB and a 400W seasonic for well under $150 [22:06] Thats more then I payed for the computer, lol [22:07] The computer was originally a Dell Optiplex GX 260, but the only thing left of that setup is the case and motherboard, everything else is different. [22:09] old stuff is a bummer. [22:09] Its not that old. [22:10] The graphics card is miles better then my old one. [22:10] The only thing I don't like about it is the ram setup. [22:10] It has a maximum of 1gb of ram. [22:11] ancient. [22:13] The processor isn't stock either I just realized, the one I have is a 2 ghz. [22:13] Thank you for the help everyone! [22:15] hmmm. [22:15] Dells specs about the ram limit are different then the specs elsewhere on the internet. [22:15] Maybe it was changed in a bios upgrade. [22:21] Yeah it is 2gb, sweet! [22:21] I have a question though. [22:22] I have 3 x 1gb ram chips that wouldn't fit the slots in my computer however they work on the family computer, I still don't know what the differences are though. [22:22] I think my computer requires ddr while the other one requires ddr2 [22:23] http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx260/en/ug/specs.htm#1110653 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dime521/en/sm_en/specs.htm would any ddr ram work? [22:23] any DDR1. [22:25] Alright, sweet thank you! [22:26] I'm going to post an add on craigslist to see if I can trade the 1gb ddr2 chips for 1gb ddr1 chips. [22:26] Thank you everyone for the help again! [23:35] WHats with some people and blind hostility towards Mono? [23:37] mono is the evil spawn of that sell-out miguel de icaza and steve ballmer [23:37] no good can come from such a union [23:38] Not sure about how Ballmer is involved, but Miguel is nicest guy [23:39] i was just channeling the haters [23:43] the hostility comes from mono being based on a microsoft product [23:44] like WINE? [23:44] Where's the Alexander hate then? [23:44] wine is more trying to find a way around microsoft [23:44] mono embrasses the microsoft [23:45] embraces [23:45] wine is a hackish way of fighting the man. mono acknowledges that MS has something worthwhile [23:46] Not sure if I see how reimplementing .NET isn't any less finding a way around MS as say OpenJDK reimplementing Java [23:46] *and finding away around Sun/Oracle [23:47] acknowledging sun has something worthwhile is much more acceptable than MS [23:47] What about Samba then? [23:48] hackish [23:48] you're looking at this far too logically to understand the haters [23:48] I'm trying and failing [23:51] MS is the great devil [23:51] anything provided by MS is evil [23:52] so happily accepting and embracing their technology makes you evil [23:53] people only use samba because their boss makes them work with windows computers [23:53] people use wine because they want to play games on linux