[01:14] <rick_h__> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/05/sony-attacked-again-12700-non-us-cc-numbers-feared-stolen.ars
[01:14] <rick_h__> gah!
[01:20] <rick_h__> Blazeix: heard much on the arch stable-ing out?
[01:21] <Blazeix> rick_h__: tough to tell, I'm pretty pissed that they moved from gtk2 to gtk3.
[01:22] <rick_h__> my boss made the switch this weekend
[01:22] <rick_h__> next day gnome3
[01:22] <Blazeix> since there's only one gtk3 theme out there, you're going to lose your look/feel, assuming gtk factors into it.
[01:22] <rick_h__> he hopped on IM there and was just "talk about bad timing!"
[01:22] <Blazeix> yeah, luckily I use chrome/rxvt pretty much exclusively
[01:22] <rick_h__> yea, fortunately I've not gone gtk for much of anything at this point, though I know chrome/firefox pay some attention to it
[01:23] <Blazeix> so it isn't too bad, but chrome is ugly
[01:23] <rick_h__> ugh
[01:23] <rick_h__> bah, keep failing to install this pencil package as well
[01:23] <Blazeix> this is the default look for nautilus now: http://frabjous.ath.cx/files/upload/nautilus-adwaita.png
[01:23] <Blazeix> makes my eyes bleed. That's how it's supposed to look.
[01:23] <rick_h__> giant!
[01:23] <rick_h__> yea, I've been a long time thunar user
[01:24] <Blazeix> yeah, thunar looks terrible now, since I don't think there's an xfce/gtk3 integration
[01:24] <rick_h__> ugh
[01:24] <rick_h__> yea, I used to use lxappearance to help with my apps that listen to gtk stuff
[01:24] <rick_h__> guessing that's out the window
[01:25] <Blazeix> yeah, there's gnome-tweak-tool, and a config file you can edit to tweak stuff
[01:25] <Blazeix> gnome-tweak-tool will crash if you don't have gnome-shell installed, though.
[01:25] <rick_h__> the shots I've seen of the gnome3 desktop though is quite horrid
[01:25] <Blazeix> The whole thing just feels very raw.
[01:25] <rick_h__> welcome to OSS in 2011
[01:25] <rick_h__> these are the times that test us...
[01:26] <Blazeix> it's almost enough to make me switch to a Qt desktop
[01:26] <Blazeix> almost
[01:26] <rick_h__> so I wonder how this is in ubuntu/unity land
[01:26] <rick_h__> that's gtk3 right?
[01:26] <Blazeix> not sure
[01:26] <rick_h__> wonder how other apps look with it
[01:27] <Blazeix> actually, I'm not sure if it's gtk3
[01:28] <rick_h__> bah, this sucks. Can't get the app to install so do I sign up for a web service or not, that is the question
[01:29] <snap-l> Unity is still gtk2
[01:30] <jjesse> just switch all to kubuntu and your life will be better
[01:31] <snap-l> Yeah, after all, once the baby is out, who needs bathwater?
[01:32] <rick_h__> dammit, and twitter guys by client I finally like
[01:32] <rick_h__> the world is full of suck today
[01:32] <snap-l> Which client?
[01:32] <rick_h__> tweetdeck
[01:32] <snap-l> Brillant. ;)
[01:33] <snap-l> Well, look on the bright side: it'll be supported the rest of it's life
[01:33] <rick_h__> wonder if I can get single use CC nubmers for my debit card
[01:33] <rick_h__> man I don't trust anyone right now
[01:33] <snap-l> whether if that's tomorrow or two years from now is anybody's guess. :)
[01:33] <rick_h__> @#$@#% and chase is down? wtf people
[01:34] <Blazeix> I hear HP just bought lenovo, too.
[01:35] <Blazeix> and all tiling window managers are halting development
[01:35] <greg-g> wha?
[01:35] <snap-l> rick_h__: Time for the hermit life
[01:35] <Blazeix> greg-g: not actually
[01:35] <Blazeix> greg-g: just painting rick_h__'s worst nightmare
[01:35] <greg-g> Blazeix: that's what I get for only switching over to this desktop and just reading one line of scroll back
[01:35] <Blazeix> heh
[01:35] <rick_h__> I'm going into depression/the bunker
[01:35] <rick_h__> sony hacked a freaking gain
[01:35] <snap-l> HP buys Lenovo, Awesome stops development, and work mandates that everyone uses OSX
[01:36] <rick_h__> packages won't install, want to use a single use CC number for my debit card, but bank website is down and don't htink they support it
[01:36] <snap-l> Including the servers
[01:36] <rick_h__> oh hell, now you're just doing crazy talk
[01:36] <snap-l> rick_h__: What packages are you installing that require a debit card?
[01:37] <rick_h__> pencil install fails, so signing up for http://gomockingbird.com
[01:37] <rick_h__> oh lovely, if I was a mid-sized business chase would give me a single use account number
[01:37] <snap-l> rick_h__: I'm sorry... I'm really sorry
[01:37] <rick_h__> but not little ole me
[01:38] <snap-l> (that's what Doctor Who says before the other shoe drops"
[01:38] <rick_h__> that's it, emailing them I want a paypal option since I don't trust them with my CC number
[01:38] <Blazeix> rick_h__: will the AUR pencil-svn package not work?
[01:39] <rick_h__> Blazeix: no, build fails and not sure why tbh
[01:39] <rick_h__> trace isn't clear to me on what's failing/missing
[01:39] <snap-l> rick_h__: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qG5/ <- I'm sorry, I'm really sorry.
[01:40] <snap-l> What exactly is pencil supposed to do anyway?
[01:40] <rick_h__> oh interesting, I missed that it was FF based
[01:40] <rick_h__> that's probably it, sayhs ff3.5
[01:41] <rick_h__> snap-l: mockup tool
[01:41] <rick_h__> I need to mock some bookie ui layouts
[01:41] <snap-l> I don't think Pencil is what you're looking for
[01:42] <snap-l> This appears to be a 2D animation tool
[01:43] <rick_h__> http://pencil.evolus.vn/en-US/Home.aspx
[01:43] <rick_h__> yea, wrong thing
[01:44] <snap-l> Jesus, how many of these damn things are out there?
[01:44] <snap-l> I've seen three, two of which were $80
[01:44] <snap-l> all web-based.
[01:46] <snap-l> And it was at this moment that snap-l realized why that was, and snuck back to the rock to which he craweld from.
[01:46] <rick_h__> huh?
[01:46] <snap-l> You're mocking up web-based interfaces, no?
[01:46] <snap-l> So, naturally, you'd want something web-based. ;)
[01:47] <rick_h__> well I am, but mocking is just mocking
[01:47] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: you're needed in #bookie
[04:08] <snap-l> Nuts, I think I cooked a motion sensor because I didn't understand how to hook it up right
[13:21] <greg-g> g'morning
[13:22] <rick_h__> party
[13:22] <rick_h__> lots of $5 albums on amazon mp3 land
[13:22] <rick_h__> woo! new music to start the new day
[13:28] <wolfger> party
[13:28] <wolfger> but don't let snap-l hear that you're using and enjoying Amazon MP3.... :-)
[13:31] <rick_h__> hah, how can I use ubuntu one? I don't run ubuntu :P
[13:33] <snap-l> !openmetalcast 20, recorded live at !penguicon. 19 people saw what went in, but nobody heard what came out. http://ur1.ca/42oc4 Scary!
[13:34] <snap-l> wolfger: I prefer Ubuntu One because of the syncing. There's no question that Amazon has better sales.
[13:34] <snap-l> rick_h__: It's only a matter of time before you're back to Ubuntu. ;)
[13:34] <rick_h__> heh, why sync, I've bought 10 albums and not downloaded one :)
[13:35] <snap-l> rick_h__: Because I like having my music not suddenly vanish. ;)
[13:35] <snap-l> Y'know... like a cloud on a windy day.
[13:36] <rick_h__> snap-l: they also have a new feature, it'll auto download
[13:36] <rick_h__> When you save your Amazon MP3 purchases to Cloud Drive, you can download new purchases from Cloud Drive to this computer automatically.
[13:36] <rick_h__> This setting is unique to each of your computers and must be set from Your Account > Your Amazon MP3 Settings from each computer. This setting can also be set for your Android device.
[13:36] <snap-l> Ah, cool.
[13:36] <rick_h__> boom!
[13:36] <rick_h__> :P
[13:36] <snap-l> May consider using it again
[13:36] <snap-l> HEy, that was my biggest beef. If they fixed it, I'm settled.
[13:36] <rick_h__> not that I don't like supporting my canonical buddies, but sorry...
[13:37] <rick_h__> snap-l: the big thing is that U1 would do better sycning your existing stuff
[13:37] <rick_h__> uploading your stuff to cloud drive is a bit of a pita
[13:39] <snap-l> Yeah, u1 needs to excell in that areal
[13:39] <snap-l> Bah, where'd that extra l come from
[13:42] <jjesse> the amazon mp3 player is pretty cool use it on my android all the time
[13:42] <jjesse> uploaded my running music playlist to it, and then use the mp3 + my tracks when i run
[13:43] <jjesse> mp3 player pauses when my tracks announces my time
[15:43] <paroneayea> I'm just joining this channel because greg-g is awesome
[15:43] <paroneayea> I love that guy.
[15:43] <snap-l> Yeah, we're fans as well.
[15:43] <wolfger> welcome to #greg-g-fanclub
[15:43] <paroneayea> :D
[15:44] <wolfger> just as long as you're not here because you think brousch is awesome... :-p
[15:44] <greg-g> heya paroneayea :)
[15:44] <snap-l> I was about ready to give up computers and become a hermit until I met greg-g. Now I hang out in IRC all day and stroke the picture of greg-g that I have in my office.
[15:44] <snap-l> He's so dreamy.
[15:45] <greg-g>      | <-- line     snap-l --> *
[15:45]  * paroneayea pets greg-g's head softly
[15:45] <greg-g> :)
[15:45] <paroneayea> too bad greg-g's already engaged.
[15:45] <paroneayea> and that I'm married.
[15:45]  * wolfger puts on the bow-chika-wow-wow music
[15:45]  * _stink_ gets the camcorder
[15:46] <wolfger> ...it's like Penguicon all over again
[15:46] <greg-g> only with less furries
[15:46] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibNrYDjdY <- Replace Ace Rimmer with greg-g, and you'll get it mostly right.
[15:46] <_stink_> someone put on a wizard hat
[15:46] <greg-g> yay, Red Dwarf!
[15:47] <brousch> greg-g: you don't know how we're all dressed. this is the internet!
[15:47] <paroneayea> wizard hat!  I have one of those
[15:47] <paroneayea> %
[15:47] <paroneayea>    \'.
[15:47] <paroneayea>     \ '.
[15:48] <paroneayea>      \  \
[15:48] <paroneayea>      _L__L_
[15:48] <paroneayea>      //~ ~
[15:48] <paroneayea>      G   >
[15:48] <wolfger> greg-g: Yeah. brousch is wearing his fursuit
[15:48] <paroneayea>      / \\\\-------.__  * * * *
[15:48] <paroneayea>     / ' \\\______ |T  * MAGIC *
[15:48] <paroneayea>    |   \ \\      \|    * * * *
[15:48] <greg-g> warning, paroneayea likes his ascii art, he is my resident ascii art friend :)
[15:48] <wolfger> percentage-wise, that would make this channel more furry-inhabited than pcon
[15:49] <_stink_> COWSAY plz
[15:51] <Milyardo> paroneayea: Where's the magic stick?
[15:51] <snap-l> Milyardo: greg-g doesn't need his magic stick
[15:55] <paroneayea>    \'.
[15:55] <paroneayea>     \ '.
[15:55] <paroneayea>      \  \
[15:55] <paroneayea>      _L__L_           _
[15:55] <paroneayea>      //~ ~           / /
[15:55] <paroneayea>      G   >           //
[15:55] <brousch> no magic sticks please. let's keep this sfw
[15:55] <paroneayea>      / \\\\-------._//
[15:55] <paroneayea>     / ' \\\______ |T3
[15:55] <paroneayea>    |   \ \\      \//
[15:55] <brousch> oh man, i bogarted the ascii art
"Are dragons gay, Phil?  Mighty warrior priests wielding golden staffs, I suppose they’re gay too.</it_crowd>
[16:33] <snap-l> http://imgur.com/xlAkI
[16:41] <jrwren> lol
[17:01] <snap-l> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3163
[17:03] <_stink_> what a guy.
[17:05] <brousch> um, crap. SSDs fail a lot http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html
[17:06] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, and catastrophically.
[17:07] <brousch> this is not news i wanted to hear. make it go away
[17:11] <Milyardo> but the hotness
[17:12] <rick_h__> heh, never going to be on non-ssd here
[17:12] <rick_h__> never had issues with my intels. 2yr out of my old one before I sold it and a year into this one
[17:17] <jrwren> i love that he references the hot/crazy scale.
[17:38] <rick_h__> greg-g: http://ejohn.org/blog/next-steps-in-2011/ kind of cool
[17:38] <rick_h__> open course type stuff it sounds like
[17:42] <greg-g> rick_h__: cool, yeah, Khan Academy is pretty neat. I'm very glad that they have someone from Mozilla starting there working on Open Source stuff
[21:27] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/zedshaw/statuses/65510057437184001
[21:39] <jrwren> lol
[21:39] <jrwren> <3 zedshaw
[21:41] <snap-l> jcastro: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/308/
[21:41] <snap-l> jcastro: You're a freaking mind-worm. ;)
[21:43] <jrwren> it was only 150 yrs ago.
[21:43] <jrwren> Standard Time didn't come into existence until rail travel necessitated it.
[21:43] <jrwren> and people did it according to the town tower. That is why towns had clock towers.
[21:44] <snap-l> She just got a pocket watch, so that's where the question came up
[21:44] <jrwren> tell her to find a town clock tower.
[21:44] <jrwren> mine is at ntp.ubuntu.com :)
[21:45] <snap-l> har har. :)
[21:46] <snap-l> All I know is I wish everything I owned either set time via the internet or via WWVB
[21:46] <snap-l> Or CallerID
[21:47] <snap-l> There is no reason I should have to set the Wii's clock manually
[21:51] <TeamXlink> Is there a way to use two power supplies to power *one* graphics card? If so would this solve the problem of a lower then recommended power supply? My power supply is a 250 watt and It is powering the motherboard and graphics card, I have another 250 watt power supply powering all of the fans and drives. I've disabled the pci slots, serial port, parelle port, mouse * keyboard port to save po
[21:52] <TeamXlink> wer (I'm unsure if that made a difference or not however).
[21:52] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Um...
[21:53] <snap-l> Where oh where to begin...
[21:53] <TeamXlink> Its amps that matter though right?
[21:53] <TeamXlink> More then watts?
[21:54] <snap-l> Well, let's just say if you're running two power supplies, and still not getting enough juice, that's indicative that there might be something else wrong
[21:54] <snap-l> I guess my first question would be what prompted you to think you need more power for the vid card?
[21:54] <TeamXlink> The recommended specifications and results of online searches.
[21:55] <jrwren> does the video card have a separate power input?  and you are using it on the secondary PS?
[21:55] <jrwren> if it is a beefy enough video card, it is likely you don't have enough power.
[21:55] <jrwren> 250W is very little.
[21:56] <snap-l> Well, it's also likely you don't have the right connector either
[21:56] <jrwren> also, the Vid Card spec should say how much it needs on the 5V rail.
[21:56] <TeamXlink> snape-I: And the auto tune in the ati overdrive underclocks my graphics card due to insufficent power, or thats the reason I think it does that.
[21:57] <TeamXlink> The graphics card has a 4 pin connector on it that is plugged into the power supply that is powering the motherbard and graphics card
[21:57] <snap-l> Right, OK.
[21:57] <snap-l> So it's drawing power from the Mobo and this separate cable?
[21:58] <TeamXlink> Yes.
[21:58] <TeamXlink> jrwren: I'll go fetch the link for you.
[21:58] <snap-l> Yeah, I think you're not going to be easily able to drive that with two PS units.
[21:59] <TeamXlink> It says 1.5v for agp4x
[21:59] <jrwren> what kind of card?
[21:59] <jrwren> AGP??/ zomg, ancient, how much power can it need?
[21:59] <TeamXlink> http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-HD3650-Video-100258L/dp/B001L62INY
[22:00] <TeamXlink> It is a 8x agp card but supports 4x agp
[22:00] <TeamXlink> The fan on the one that arrived is different then the fan in the first pic, it looks like this one http://ec5.images-amazon.com/images/I/2185DP%2BbquL.jpg but it keeps temperatures realtively low.
[22:01] <jrwren> 300W min.
[22:01] <snap-l> yeah
[22:01] <jrwren> so I'd try pluging the secondary power supply into the 4pin
[22:01] <TeamXlink> Mine has 2 dvi ports as well I just noticed.
[22:01] <TeamXlink> Alright.
[22:01] <jrwren> maybe it will balance some from mobo and some from secondary
[22:01] <TeamXlink> But that one is powering all of the other devices?
[22:01] <jrwren> but its a gamble.
[22:01] <jrwren> what "other devices" ?
[22:01] <jrwren> drives dont' pull much.
[22:02] <snap-l> jrwren: Newer drives don't. ;)
[22:02] <TeamXlink> Hard drive 4 case fans
[22:02] <snap-l> I used to have some 150MB Wren drives that needed a separate case / PSU to run. ;)
[22:02] <jrwren> i don't know about fans, but given they are just electric motors like a hard drive, its going to be nearly nothing.
[22:02] <jrwren> snap-l: right.
[22:02] <jrwren> not just "newer drives"
[22:02] <TeamXlink> It is filling the space where the disc drives would go so I don't have any disc drives installed unfortuenataly.
[22:02] <jrwren> but anything even remotely modern.
[22:03] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, just reminded me of that case.
[22:03] <TeamXlink> It is a 60gb Western Digital WDC WD600BB-75CAA0
[22:04] <snap-l> TeamXlink: Yeah, you should be fine
[22:04] <jrwren> TeamXlink: anything made within the last 15 yrs is going to be fine and draw very little power.
[22:04] <TeamXlink> Alright thank you.
[22:05] <TeamXlink> I eventually want to either get a power supply I can use for everything or find another way to mount the extra powersupply, using my drives in an external drive usb setup is vary slow. and I still haven't found a way to use the floppy drive as well.
[22:06] <jrwren> one of 'em is a 60G... you could get a 2TB and a 400W seasonic for well under $150
[22:06] <TeamXlink> Thats more then I payed for the computer, lol
[22:07] <TeamXlink> The computer was originally a Dell Optiplex GX 260, but the only thing left of that setup is the case and motherboard, everything else is different.
[22:09] <jrwren> old stuff is a bummer.
[22:09] <TeamXlink> Its not that old.
[22:10] <TeamXlink> The graphics card is miles better then my old one.
[22:10] <TeamXlink> The only thing I don't like about it is the ram setup.
[22:10] <TeamXlink> It has a maximum of 1gb of ram.
[22:11] <jrwren> ancient.
[22:13] <TeamXlink> The processor isn't stock either I just realized, the one I have is a 2 ghz.
[22:13] <TeamXlink> Thank you for the help everyone!
[22:15] <TeamXlink> hmmm.
[22:15] <TeamXlink> Dells specs about the ram limit are different then the specs elsewhere on the internet.
[22:15] <TeamXlink> Maybe it was changed in a bios upgrade.
[22:21] <TeamXlink> Yeah it is 2gb, sweet!
[22:21] <TeamXlink> I have a question though.
[22:22] <TeamXlink> I have 3 x 1gb ram chips that wouldn't fit the slots in my computer however they work on the family computer, I still don't know what the differences are though.
[22:22] <TeamXlink> I think my computer requires ddr while the other one requires ddr2
[22:23] <TeamXlink> http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx260/en/ug/specs.htm#1110653 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dime521/en/sm_en/specs.htm  would any ddr ram work?
[22:23] <jrwren> any DDR1.
[22:25] <TeamXlink> Alright, sweet thank you!
[22:26] <TeamXlink> I'm going to post an add on craigslist to see if I can trade the 1gb ddr2 chips for 1gb ddr1 chips.
[22:26] <TeamXlink> Thank you everyone for the help again!
[23:35] <Milyardo> WHats with some people and blind hostility towards Mono?
[23:37] <brousch> mono is the evil spawn of that sell-out miguel de icaza and steve ballmer
[23:37] <brousch> no good can come from such a union
[23:38] <Milyardo> Not sure about how Ballmer is involved, but Miguel is nicest guy
[23:39] <brousch> i was just channeling the haters
[23:43] <brousch> the hostility comes from mono being based on a microsoft product
[23:44] <Milyardo> like WINE?
[23:44] <Milyardo> Where's the Alexander hate then?
[23:44] <brousch> wine is more trying to find a way around microsoft
[23:44] <brousch> mono embrasses the microsoft
[23:45] <brousch> embraces
[23:45] <brousch> wine is a hackish way of fighting the man. mono acknowledges that MS has something worthwhile
[23:46] <Milyardo> Not sure if I see how reimplementing .NET isn't any less finding a way around MS as say OpenJDK reimplementing Java
[23:46] <Milyardo> *and finding away around Sun/Oracle
[23:47] <brousch> acknowledging sun has something worthwhile is much more acceptable than MS
[23:47] <Milyardo> What about Samba then?
[23:48] <brousch> hackish
[23:48] <brousch> you're looking at this far too logically to understand the haters
[23:48] <Milyardo> I'm trying and failing
[23:51] <brousch> MS is the great devil
[23:51] <brousch> anything provided by MS is evil
[23:52] <brousch> so happily accepting and embracing their technology makes you evil
[23:53] <brousch> people only use samba because their boss makes them work with windows computers
[23:53] <brousch> people use wine because they want to play games on linux