[10:52] <JonathanD> Morning PA
[10:56] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:57] <teddy-dbear> morning JonathanD
[10:57] <JonathanD> Hi rmg51
[10:57] <JonathanD> and teddy-dbear of course.
[10:58] <teddy-dbear> o/
[12:48] <JonathanD> slow morning, rmg51
[12:54] <andrew> morning
[13:09] <toggles> bacon
[13:15] <JonathanD> hello andrew, toggles
[13:50] <InHisName> toggles:  Buy everything bacon here http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/bacon/
[13:50] <PennBot> Title: ThinkGeek :: Caffeine & Edibles :: Bacon (at www.thinkgeek.com)
[13:53] <toggles> mmmm bacon.. how i miss thee...
[14:07] <andrew> Hrm...
[14:08] <andrew> mission accomplished
[14:08] <andrew> ccsm -> unity plugin -> (super -> shift+super)
[14:08] <andrew> now gnome-do works again (super+space)
[14:09] <andrew> and I can lock the screen with super+l
[14:11] <toggles> mission accomplished would be getting gnome-3 installed
[14:29] <andrew> True
[14:29] <andrew> but until then
[14:29] <andrew> I also like that I can finally choose the "Span" option for desktop wallpaper
[14:33] <InHisName> what is a "Span" option, andrew ?
[14:37] <andrew> InHisName: When one has a dual-screen setup, it's nice to be able to have one image spanned across both screens, enabling the use of wallpapers like: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/Df79dcc3/01120_mossbraefalls2_3360x1050.jpg
[14:37] <InHisName> Kewwwwwl
[14:39] <InHisName> Have you tried taking your own big pictures like that one ?    There is a waterfall north of Doylestown that could look pretty spiffy in one of those long pictures.
[14:49] <andrew> InHisName: This was my 3-screen wallpaper for a while: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/4632293571/
[14:49] <PennBot> Title: Mt Tammany | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[14:49] <andrew> There's also this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/4632292769/
[14:49] <PennBot> Title: Sunfish Lake | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
[14:50] <InHisName> I like the first one better, but 2nd is pretty nice too.
[14:50] <andrew> InHisName: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/tags/panorama/
[14:50] <PennBot> Title: Flickr: ahotw's stuff tagged with panorama (at www.flickr.com)
[14:52] <andrew> InHisName: a few more there ^
[14:53] <InHisName> the snowy one has some character but doesn't trim well to rectangle.   I still like st one best so far....
[14:54] <andrew> snowy one?
[14:55] <InHisName> No snow just jagged white space below rocks.
[14:55] <andrew> Seneca?
[14:56] <InHisName> Could be,  I used to hang out around there 35 years ago cave exploring alot.
[14:57] <andrew> Those photos have names
[14:57] <andrew> one says "seneca"
[14:57] <InHisName> So I see now
[14:57] <andrew> I'll most likely have a chance to redo that photo this summer
[14:58] <InHisName> If you catch a blue sky day, I may want a copy too.
[14:59] <andrew> I'm planning on spending a few days in the area, so we'll see
[14:59] <andrew> My brother is Interning a few miles away this summer
[15:00] <InHisName> Well maybe do it on a cloudy day for comparison.  Greens maybe lots better on cloudy days.
[15:01] <InHisName> I found the rainy wet miseralble biking camping days had the most gorgeous greens ever, If I could remember to lift my head up and look now and then.
[15:02] <andrew> I've tagged a few more photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/tags/panorama/
[15:03] <andrew> and I've got a couple here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahotw/tags/stereographicprojection/
[15:06] <andrew> hrm
[15:06] <andrew> @ping
[15:06] <PennBot> pong
[15:06] <andrew> kk
[16:26] <ChinnoDog> lamalex: so how did it go?
[16:26] <lamalex> i got home around 4:30
[16:26] <ChinnoDog> am?
[16:44] <ssweeny> aww
[16:44] <ssweeny> now we don't get to hear
[16:52] <andrew> oh well
[17:55] <InHisName1> test box graphic back working...    system>preferences>monitors shows "unknown" for monitor name.    HOW To fix ?
[17:56] <InHisName1> It used to work in earlier version, now its 10.10
[18:15] <InHisName1> trying something ....    reboot ...
[18:18] <InHisName> Grr, disk drive check
[18:19] <toggles> ahh yeah, gnome shell.. thank $deity
[18:35] <InHisName1> last item: needed an xorg.conf to force monitor recognition
[19:14] <InHisName> Wish me luck,  I started down the path of upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 on the test box.
[19:43] <toggles> InHisName: good luck...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/648180
[19:43] <PennBot> Title: Bug #648180 in unity (Ubuntu): “Unity is not an adequate replacement for Gnome2 (and sucks a little bit less then it used to)” (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[19:46] <jedijf> all those kind of reports are invalid until trying for like 6 weeks....humans hate change...try it a bit, realize what it said on the wiki, that they just wanted to get it out there with some 'best choice' defaults...
[19:47] <ssweeny> yeah i'm using both gnome 3 an unity (on diff machines) and both have taken a lot of getting used to
[19:47] <jedijf> and let's see what happens
[19:47] <jedijf> first night i couldn't stand the up/down workplaces....i've mellowed
[19:48] <jedijf> when my 82 year old buddy said he's kinda liking it, after initial 'i hate it', it gave me hope
[19:48] <jedijf> llavins++
[19:50] <jedijf> and honestly...i am being more temperant because of team members and their work lamalex++ ssweeny soon.....
[19:50] <jedijf> now, it's personal
[19:50]  * ssweeny will not be on the DX team, but some stuff i do may end up in ubu eventually
[19:51] <jedijf> i'll buy the watch or the toaster ;)
[19:53] <ssweeny> excellent
[19:53] <jedijf> or the MarkPad
[19:54] <pleia2> llavins++
[20:05] <ChinnoDog> So is there a place to buy an eCAFE Slim HD yet?
[20:43] <JonathanD> I've been seeing a lot of unity bashing. It's unfamiliar, but on my test box I don't find it that bad...
[20:44] <andrew> I've started to learn to bend it to my needs
[20:44] <ssweeny> generally you're going to hear mostly from people who are having problems
[20:44] <ssweeny> the people for whom it works have less incentive to talk about it
[20:44] <JonathanD> Also this isn't an upgrade, for me, this is a clean install on a clean box.
[20:44] <andrew> So, I think I'm going to awaken my blog with a post about what changes I made to overcome my problems
[20:45] <JonathanD> I'm carrying my T41 as a spare now, so I might install it on that next
[20:45] <JonathanD> if the video card is up for it.
[20:47] <ssweeny> unity-2d is actually pretty slick
[20:47] <ssweeny> it's good for non-3d-enabled hardware
[20:47] <JonathanD> (no more dual booting, I'll just carry two laptops. Now thats progress ;) )
[20:52] <jedijf> JonathanD: llavins installed on t41
[20:53] <JonathanD> It's got an ATI something or other.
[20:53] <jedijf> andrew: a blog post on how you resolved issues during a transition would be great
[20:54] <JonathanD> I do think the app finding is a little awkward.
[20:54] <JonathanD> I like tree-ing menus.
[20:54] <jedijf> andrew: prolly good idea to follow all the admistriva channels; especially for this issue
[20:54] <jedijf> issue...change...transition
[20:55] <JonathanD> figures I just got the 41 setup nicely though.
[20:55] <JonathanD> I should have waited :P
[20:55] <jedijf> JonathanD: wait for andrew's post...and then gnome-do will make you love it
[20:56]  * jedijf applies pressure
[20:56] <andrew> back
[20:57] <andrew> jedijf: You can tree, to an extent
[20:57] <JonathanD> I'll install windows ME in the meantime while I'm waiting for andrew's blog post.
[20:57] <JonathanD> jedijf: is that suitable pressure?
[20:57] <andrew> JonathanD: no, install slackware
[20:59] <andrew> so far, all my tweeks have been fairly standard settings, nothing that includes scary anti-ubuntu stuff
[21:00] <andrew> ("What? wget and run this script from the intrawebs? OKAY!!!")
[21:57] <andrew> jedijf: http://www.ahotw.com/2011/05/03/ubuntu-11-04-tweaks-and-hints/
[21:59] <JonathanD> "padre" doesn't appear to work for me on 11.04
[22:02] <JonathanD> eh, known bug too
[22:02] <JonathanD> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10763383
[22:02] <PennBot> Title: [ubuntu] Padre won't start after distro upgrade (lib missing?) - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)