[04:07] <meonkeys> hi guys!
[04:08] <meonkeys> this link in the topic doesn't work for me: http://on.fb.me/ctDyKO
[04:08] <meonkeys> it goes to facebook.com, then an error page shows up saying "the content could not be displayed"
[04:08] <meonkeys> also, I got an HTTP 500 error trying to get to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WashingtonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[04:09] <valorie> wiki opens right up for me
[04:09] <valorie> ubuntu has a problem with their wiki -- it is ancient and creaky
[04:10] <valorie> fb link doesn't work for me either
[04:10] <valorie> have we met, meonkeys?
[04:10] <meonkeys> here's what I see: http://inky.ws/g/aa
[04:10] <valorie> if not, hello
[04:10] <meonkeys> valorie: hi! I don't know.
[04:11] <meonkeys> I was at LFNW, I gave a talk on Vim: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/sessions/beyond-wq-life-changing-vim-plugins
[04:11] <meonkeys> I've been an Ubuntu user for a few years now.
[04:11] <valorie> did you come by the loco table?
[04:11] <valorie> Key Details
[04:11] <valorie>     Date Established - (Thursday 19 October, 2006)
[04:11] <valorie>     Team Contact - Chuck West <chuck@olylug.org>
[04:11] <valorie>     Membership - 28 as of August 2010
[04:11] <valorie>     Mailing List - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wa
[04:11] <valorie>     Laundpad Team - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-washington
[04:11] <valorie>     Forums - http://washington.ubuntuforums.org
[04:11] <valorie>     IRC - #ubuntu-us-wa on irc.freenode.net:6667 
[04:11] <Lancelot> hey valorie 
[04:11] <valorie> from the wiki page
[04:12] <meonkeys> No, I didn't come by the loco table
[04:12] <valorie> hi Lancelot
[04:12] <meonkeys> valorie: yep, saw that on the page too, thanks.
[04:12] <Lancelot> how'd sunday go?
[04:12] <valorie> how did your exams go?
[04:12] <Lancelot> it was alright
[04:12] <valorie> it was much slower
[04:12] <Lancelot> I'll get my mark on wednesday
[04:12] <valorie> but I got to spend quite a bit of time with two beginners
[04:12] <valorie> showing them IRC, and such
[04:12] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:12] <valorie> which was cool
[04:12] <Lancelot> that's nice
[04:12] <valorie> burned quite a few more CDs
[04:13] <Lancelot> did you go to any of the talks?
[04:13] <valorie> gave out maybe 30 or 40
[04:13] <valorie> one on Sat.
[04:13] <valorie> excellent
[04:13] <valorie> the EFF/ACLU talk
[04:13] <Lancelot> I showed up for the last half of it
[04:13] <Lancelot> lost track of time
[04:13] <valorie> I was late as well
[04:13] <valorie> that table was BUSY!
[04:14] <Lancelot> no kidding
[04:14] <valorie> too bad you didn't stop by, meonkeys
[04:14] <Lancelot> it was a pretty popular talk
[04:14] <Lancelot> score
[04:15] <Lancelot> I discovered I have a linux mint image
[04:17] <valorie> I'm so glad I discovered multisystem USB
[04:17] <valorie> used that so often this weekend!
[04:17] <Lancelot> yeah
[04:17] <Lancelot> it looks pretty good
[04:17] <valorie> and burned at least 5 USBs for people
[04:17] <valorie> super easy to use
[04:17] <valorie> and fast, fast, fast
[04:17] <meonkeys> valorie: yep. I didn't spend much time in the expo hall, just to register, then later to hang at the FSF booth during the raffle.
[04:17] <Lancelot> nice
[04:18] <Lancelot> oh, check this out: http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,226435/printable.html
[04:18] <valorie> you were right close!
[04:18] <valorie> 10 feet away
[04:18] <valorie> lol
[04:19] <valorie> heh
[04:19] <Lancelot> :p
[04:19] <valorie> sounds interesting, Lancelot
[04:19] <valorie> except it ain't KDE
[04:20] <valorie> so, not so interesting to ME
[04:20] <Lancelot> ...
[04:20] <valorie> :-)
[04:20] <Lancelot> that's just an example
[04:20] <valorie> right
[04:20] <Lancelot> you really like KDE don't you?
[04:29] <meonkeys> valorie: aha, linda just approved me; now I can see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WashingtonTeam/ApprovalApplication
[04:30] <valorie> I love KDE
[04:30] <valorie> I don't dislike Gnome, or Unity
[04:31] <valorie> I just much prefer KDE
[04:31] <valorie> and I love the kde community
[04:31] <valorie> as well as the ubuntu community
[04:31] <Lancelot> it's alright
[04:41] <meonkeys> anyone know if it's possible to use the GNOME Shell instead of Unity in Natty?
[04:42] <valorie> yes
[04:42] <meonkeys> cool.
[04:42] <valorie> son was trying it out
[04:45] <meonkeys> CJ Collier, are you in here?
[04:45] <Lancelot> from what I've seen so far Unity is failing
[04:45] <Lancelot> really really hard
[04:46] <meonkeys> failing how? people don't want it?
[04:46] <valorie> I dunno -- people resist change
[04:46] <valorie> gnome 3 is basically the same thing as unity
[04:47] <meonkeys> Jack Wallen very much prefers the gnome shell: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/opensource/gnome-shell-vs-ubuntu-unity-which-desktop-wins/2291
[04:47] <Lancelot> the changes in gnome 3 are so stupid
[04:47] <meonkeys> the one thing that really made me want the GNOME shell instead of unity was the lack of a run dialog in Unity
[04:47] <meonkeys> I use the run dialog all the time.
[04:47] <Lancelot> they're the perfect example of why liberal arts majors should work in coffee shops IMO
[04:47] <Lancelot> I mean, basic functionality is not something you mess with
[04:48] <Lancelot> changing something for the sake of changing it is useless
[04:48] <meonkeys> I think they're changing it to try and improve it
[04:48] <meonkeys> (the user interface, that is)
[04:49] <Lancelot> how is removing the minimize and maximize buttons an improvement?
[04:49] <Lancelot> I use those all the time
[04:49] <Lancelot> I don't even think about it
[04:49] <meonkeys> I don't, so, I guess that would be an improvement for me. :)
[04:50] <meonkeys> I usually just hit F11 to maximize or un-maximize, and drag window corners to resize.
[04:50] <meonkeys> The close button seems like a waste of space too, Alt-F4 works great. :)
[04:50] <meonkeys> I guess I just prefer less mouse, more keyboard.
[04:51] <Lancelot> the work I do requires a mouse
[04:51] <Lancelot> design stuff
[04:51] <Lancelot> so I use it a fair bit
[04:51] <Lancelot> even with only a keyboard I use those buttons
[04:51] <meonkeys> ah, gotcha.
[04:51] <meonkeys> Say, do you use Inkscape much?
[04:52] <Lancelot> never heard of it
[04:52] <Lancelot> by design I mean like cad
[04:52] <Lancelot> things like CAD*
[04:52] <meonkeys> ah, ok
[04:52] <meonkeys> yeah, Inkscape is mainly for vector graphics.
[04:53] <meonkeys> I did a little bit of CAD with qcad. That was kinda fun.
[04:53] <Lancelot> I see
[04:53] <Lancelot> I've been looking for a good linux program
[04:53] <Lancelot> freecad looks alright
[04:53] <meonkeys> But then my wife showed me up by designing our entire bathroom remodel in SketchUp
[04:54] <Lancelot> now that I have more free time I'll be able to try more
[04:54] <Lancelot> eww
[04:54] <Lancelot> google...
[04:54] <meonkeys> eww what?
[04:55] <Lancelot> eh, just a personal thing
[04:55] <Lancelot> moving on
[04:56] <meonkeys> *yawn*
[04:56] <meonkeys> bye all, nice "meeting" you! Time to watch Obama's standup at the WHCA dinner.
[04:57] <Lancelot> have fun
[05:28] <Lancelot> valorie: are there any other conferences that happen around washington?
[05:29] <Lancelot> I just looked up linuxcon, but admission is 100 dollars at student pricing
[05:30] <valorie> not that I know of
[05:30] <valorie> I go down to OSCON, but not to anything but the free stuff
[05:31] <valorie> and staff the booth there
[05:31] <valorie> and attend CLS the weekend before
[05:31] <Lancelot> how long of a drive is that?
[05:31] <valorie> which is an unconference, and free
[05:31] <valorie> but not just linux
[05:31] <valorie> that's in Portland
[05:31] <Lancelot> hmm
[05:31] <valorie> there is some other stuff in Portland, but I don't know about free
[05:31] <valorie> portland OR is 3 hours drive for me
[06:37] <Lancelot> ouch
[06:40] <Lancelot> well then this seems alright
[06:42] <Lancelot> so you only get to go to the expo hall for free?
[07:04] <valorie> the expo hall, lightning talks, and Bofs
[07:04] <valorie> I had a lot of fun -- some of my KDE peeps were there too
[07:04] <valorie> speaking
[07:04] <valorie> so I had people to hang out with
[07:15] <Lancelot> sounds okay
[07:15] <Lancelot> I don't think I can drive that far though
[15:42] <meonkeys> what about Open Source Bridge? I've heard that's awesome.
[22:19] <valorie> I haven't gone, so I don't know
[22:19] <valorie> i have heard good things, yes
[23:44] <althara> the link for the release party pictures has probably expired
[23:46] <althara> our facebook group is scheudled to be archived
[23:52] <althara> I just contacted Paul to see if he can handle it or add me as an admin ont he group page.
[23:52] <althara> *on the
[23:57] <valorie> i miss paul