| ckontros | Ok. Im off for the night guys. Ill be back tomorrow. | 01:41 |
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| Kokito | hello folks | 02:59 |
| holstein | Kokito: o/ | 02:59 |
| Kokito | hi holstein | 03:00 |
| holstein | Kokito: thanks for offering on the website | 03:01 |
| holstein | as far as quickly updating | 03:01 |
| holstein | ScottL acutally has been trying to get access for quite some time | 03:01 |
| holstein | we are working on it :) | 03:01 |
| Kokito | who is the admin of the website? | 03:01 |
| holstein | Kokito: cannonical | 03:03 |
| holstein | thats the rub | 03:03 |
| holstein | its not trivial getting access | 03:03 |
| Kokito | that sux :) | 03:03 |
| holstein | eh | 03:04 |
| holstein | we'll get it | 03:04 |
| holstein | we got the big site change coming too | 03:04 |
| holstein | i just hope not too many folks assume we are vapor-ware | 03:04 |
| Kokito | heh :) | 03:06 |
| Kokito | is there nobody from the team with permissions to edit the existing content and/or add new content to the website then? | 03:07 |
| holstein | Kokito: right | 03:10 |
| holstein | well, there is | 03:10 |
| holstein | but i think he is MIA | 03:11 |
| Kokito | ah, yes, I recall Scott mentioned something to that effect | 03:11 |
| ScottL | Kokito, holstein : stochastic said he updated the website to mention the new release but asked me for a link to the release notes | 03:54 |
| ScottL | i'm hoping he will now update the release notes as i sent him the link this morning | 03:54 |
| holstein | ScottL: COOL | 03:54 |
| Kokito | nice ScottL :) | 03:55 |
| holstein | ScottL: when you go there | 03:55 |
| holstein | http://ubuntustudio.org/ | 03:55 |
| holstein | is there a log missing? | 03:55 |
| holstein | logo* | 03:55 |
| holstein | or is that something im blocking? | 03:55 |
| ScottL | it's been missing for a while holstein | 03:56 |
| Kokito | the logo seems to be missing | 03:56 |
| ScottL | it has suffered bit rot | 03:57 |
| ScottL | Kokito, this is my understanding of the website: | 03:57 |
| * Kokito listens | 03:57 | |
| ScottL | the website structure, all the .php files and like, are hosted in launchpad in their version control system, bzr | 03:57 |
| ScottL | anyone has access to this as long as they have launchpad account, i believe | 03:58 |
| ScottL | they can download it but can't push to our repo | 03:58 |
| holstein | ScottL: is thats something that stoch can fix real quick? | 03:58 |
| ScottL | rather they can push to their own launchpad account under "code" and then make a merge proposal | 03:58 |
| Kokito | Scott, this is Drupal, so you don't need to push anything to bzr to change and/or add content | 03:59 |
| ScottL | if the person is a ubuntustudio-dev, then they have access to push directly to the bzr branch instead of the merge proposal | 03:59 |
| ScottL | Kokito, but if you want to adjust the "structure" of the website, you do in this case | 03:59 |
| Kokito | not necessarily | 03:59 |
| ScottL | once the -website package is updated then canonical looks over the "code" and pushes this to the canonical hosted website | 03:59 |
| Kokito | a lot can be done through the web interface in Drupal | 03:59 |
| ScottL | Kokito, i know | 03:59 |
| Kokito | you just need the permissions | 03:59 |
| ScottL | Kokito, holstein: the "content" on the site is different, this is accessed through permissions in the website | 04:00 |
| ScottL | you can add new pages, new content, adjust content just as you would expect with a cms or such | 04:00 |
| ScottL | as long as you have access and permissions | 04:00 |
| Kokito | right | 04:01 |
| ScottL | this is the way that canonical controls what is put onto the website in terms of security | 04:01 |
| Kokito | :) | 04:01 |
| ScottL | this is my understanding of our drupal website on the canonical hosting | 04:01 |
| ScottL | holstein, i don't know if it's a quick fix | 04:01 |
| holstein | should be right? | 04:01 |
| holstein | just pointing to logo.whatever | 04:01 |
| ScottL | but i'd rather just push forward and make a new website instead of patching up the old one | 04:01 |
| holstein | i bet somebody just fat-fingered it away | 04:02 |
| holstein | by accident | 04:02 |
| ScottL | holstein, it should be right, but i don't know where that file is or what it was | 04:02 |
| holstein | ScottL: i agree about pushing forward | 04:02 |
| Kokito | ScottL: I am more and more inclined US hosting it's own website by the day :) | 04:02 |
| ScottL | it could be a simple fix or a hard one, don't know because i can't get onto the website :/ | 04:02 |
| holstein | it would be nice if the logo was fixed for now though | 04:02 |
| holstein | IF its simple* | 04:02 |
| ScottL | Kokito, i am tending to agree with you | 04:02 |
| ScottL | holstein, i think it has been mentioend to both cory and eric (stochastic) but it's never mind fixed so i don't know | 04:03 |
| holstein | ScottL: you are talking to eric via email? | 04:03 |
| ScottL | i apparently bought a dell gx280 p4 3.0 ghz with hyperthreading and 1gig of memory for $38 and was delivered today | 04:04 |
| ScottL | the onboard video wasn't supposed to work but it does | 04:04 |
| holstein | w0w | 04:04 |
| ScottL | it was only suppose to have 512megs of memeory too | 04:04 |
| holstein | thats not bad at all | 04:04 |
| ScottL | well, $20 to get it here didn't help, but it's still cheaper | 04:04 |
| holstein | yeah, shipping on that stuff is a drag | 04:04 |
| ScottL | holstein, about eric, i sent him and cory an email asking to update the website for natty | 04:05 |
| ScottL | cory said he couldn't do it this weekend (but i don't think he still has the access) | 04:05 |
| ScottL | and eric responded last night/this morning saying he updated the annoucnement and download link but didn't update the release notes yet | 04:05 |
| ScottL | and he asked for the link | 04:05 |
| ScottL | i sent it to him this morning | 04:05 |
| ScottL | we'll see how long it takes to get it further updates | 04:05 |
| ScottL | i'm just quite happy that we at least got the announcement up | 04:06 |
| ScottL | but this computer will be something that i fix up with ubuntu studio and give away :) | 04:07 |
| paultag | heyya ScottL | 04:08 |
| ScottL | hi paultag | 04:08 |
| ScottL | i'm tempted to take this computer (after some testing) and send it to ailo_ so he can see that i'm not kidding that dell's with onboard audio really do get such low latencies ;) | 04:08 |
| ScottL | paultag, did you finally get your internet sorted? | 04:09 |
| Kokito | forgive my inquisitiveness, but why does US use the alternative installer? | 04:09 |
| paultag | ScottL: *finally* | 04:09 |
| paultag | ScottL: all is well in the world | 04:10 |
| ScottL | paultag, i think i would have gone mental and murdered someone by now :P | 04:10 |
| ScottL | but i'm glad it's working for you again | 04:10 |
| ScottL | Kokito, no need to apologize | 04:10 |
| paultag | ScottL: T-W is so shitty | 04:10 |
| ScottL | Kokito, however, i don't have a good answer, perhaps TheMuso might be able to answer why ubuntustudio uses the alternate installer | 04:10 |
| holstein | i think it was performance | 04:11 |
| ScottL | although i can speculate it was because of package installation and giving the user choices during installation | 04:11 |
| holstein | back then | 04:11 |
| ScottL | heh :) | 04:11 |
| holstein | that would have been before dynebolic | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | Its purely because a gui installer back then involved a live image, which we didn't want. | 04:11 |
| holstein | and all these new fast live discs | 04:11 |
| holstein | OH, even simpler :) | 04:11 |
| holstein | size | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | I believe Colin looked into getting the GTK alternate installer going, but I don't think anything came of that. | 04:11 |
| ScottL | hi TheMuso :) i hope you are doing well | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Not too bad thanks, gearing up for UDS. | 04:12 |
| Kokito | hi TheMuso :) | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | Hi Kokito. | 04:12 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, how did your accessibility pan out for natty? | 04:12 |
| ScottL | you had a short time to get a lot done :/ | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Not as complete as we would have liked for Unity, but some incremental improvements accross the board, but we have tons more to do for oneiric. | 04:13 |
| ScottL | i'm still getting used to unity | 04:14 |
| * Kokito likes Unity | 04:14 | |
| TheMuso | I still can't use it, due to some important bits not being fully enabled for a11y yet. | 04:14 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, what is ally? | 04:17 |
| ScottL | or is that a11y? | 04:17 |
| TheMuso | a11y | 04:17 |
| TheMuso | Its short for accessibility, just like i18n. | 04:18 |
| TheMuso | I.e i18n is short for internationalization. | 04:18 |
| ScottL | ah, yeah | 04:18 |
| ScottL | i knew the i18n, didn't know a11y | 04:18 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 04:19 |
| ScottL | i'm really hoping we can use xubuntu's work on the live cd to create one for ourselves, but i don't think it's going to be stupidly easy though | 04:19 |
| ScottL | and i'm not really expecting it to happen for 11.10 either....there's just too much other work going to be happening | 04:20 |
| holstein | ScottL: we should get a bit of a time line going | 04:21 |
| holstein | and prioritize realistically | 04:21 |
| ScottL | aye, that's what cory was mentioning in one of his emails to the ML | 04:21 |
| holstein | cool | 04:21 |
| ScottL | i'm still disappointed with xchat's behaviour across workspaces with unity | 04:22 |
| holstein | ? | 04:23 |
| holstein | whats it do? | 04:23 |
| ScottL | the icon only half appears on the side of the screen, gives a shake, then disappears for good it seems | 04:23 |
| ScottL | on gnome2 you would get the icon on the top panel flashing and you would get a window listing on the bottom panel which pulsed | 04:23 |
| ScottL | no matter which workspace you were on | 04:23 |
| ScottL | and all you had to do was click on the pushing window listing on the bottom and it would take you to the correct workspace | 04:24 |
| TheMuso | Making a live image will depend on whether Canonical can give you the CPU time you need to build live images, as well as disk space to store them. | 04:24 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i had thought that the live image would replace the alternate, but perhaps you advocate keeping the alternate? | 04:25 |
| ScottL | my original thought was that this wouldn't yield too much additional cpu time/storage | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | I don't advocate either, and yes it would replace the alternate, but the alternate is much easier to build, and requires less disk space and resources. | 04:25 |
| ScottL | right | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | Alternate disks only require one step to be completed. Live disks require 2 steps. | 04:26 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, do you have a suggestion to whom i should speak about trying to make arrangements? | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | The live filesystem image needs to be created and made available to the second step, teh building of the disk image itself. | 04:26 |
| ScottL | the only person i can think of directly is colin | 04:26 |
| ScottL | or scottk | 04:26 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: I think Colin would be the first port of call, he may ask you to contact others, but I doubt it/ | 04:26 |
| ScottL | i'll need to start talking to him this cycle then in preparation for next cycle then | 04:27 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, also, persia had mentioned about pushing the -lowlatency kernel into the universe repository | 04:27 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, but he seems to be hit or miss in attendance | 04:27 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, my thought was to begin talks with another -motu to help us accomplish this, do you have any suggestions on who might be a good candidate to talk with? | 04:28 |
| TheMuso | Right, I waswanting to help with this, however to make things easier to manage, we need to base on top of the Ubuntu kernel. The kernel team have a work item to document how they create their derivative kernel branches, but afaik this document is not yet complete. | 04:28 |
| ScottL | yes, i've been watching that blueprint, i think persia was quite disappointed as well | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | I'll ask them at UDS about this procedure. I dare say they could tell me and I could whip something up to help us get lowlatency done. | 04:29 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, persia's point was that UKT doesn't really have purview directly over this as the -lowlatency kernel would be community maintained and hosted in universe | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | I'll bug Andy. I get along well with him, so I think he will be able to explain it to me without too much fuss. | 04:29 |
| TheMuso | Thats right, but we need to knwo how to properly base on top of the kernel team's work, so its less work for us. | 04:30 |
| ScottL | he was tired of waiting for UKT to finish the documentation and wanted to move forward :P | 04:30 |
| TheMuso | Right, which is why I'm saying that I'll just talk to a kernel team member, and find out how its done, and go from there. | 04:30 |
| ScottL | okay :) | 04:30 |
| holstein | is that something JFo would know? | 04:31 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i think there is a bit of misinformation within UKT though about this kernel, they seem to think it takes an extensively invasive patch, much like the -rt kernel | 04:31 |
| holstein | eh, its a little late here | 04:31 |
| holstein | maybe JFo is out | 04:31 |
| ScottL | abogani starts with ubuntu's -generic kernel and only makes run time flag changes | 04:31 |
| holstein | i can understand the need for consistancy though | 04:32 |
| ScottL | sorry, not "run" time but "compile" time | 04:32 |
| TheMuso | I know that, and I can be sure that it is made clear when I talk to Andy. | 04:32 |
| TheMuso | I am not sure if JFO knows, as he is not involved with kernel branch maintenance so far as I've seen. | 04:32 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, that would be outstanding! thank you :) | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | np | 04:33 |
| ScottL | oh, i just realized Andy is the APW most likely and the one responsible for the derivative kernel documentation | 04:33 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 04:35 |
| ScottL | i don't think i'll make UDS this year either :( | 04:41 |
| ScottL | work has been very, very busy because our parent company bought our competitor and now we are integrating our product lines | 04:42 |
| ScottL | i'm responsible, with two others from the other company, to oversee and effect the integration of the detailing departments | 04:42 |
| ScottL | i probably will not have the latitude to take a week of during the rest of the year | 04:43 |
| ScottL | i wish the workspace switch had a key shortcut | 04:44 |
| ScottL | in unity | 04:44 |
| ScottL | i do like that when i'm in the workspace switch that i can drag and drop windows to other workspaces...that's pretty cool actually :) | 04:45 |
| TheMuso | You can move between workspaces with control + alt + arrows. | 04:50 |
| TheMuso | And add shift to that to move a window between workspaces. | 04:50 |
| ScottL | hmmm, control + alt + arrows isn't working right | 04:51 |
| ScottL | but adding shit does move the window correctly | 04:52 |
| ScottL | scratch that, control + alt + arrows works...i was using shift + alt | 04:53 |
| TheMuso | heh | 05:11 |
| * ckontros waves. | 22:47 | |
| holstein | ckontros: o/ | 22:51 |
| ckontros | ScottL: Gonna have time to write.hack tonight? | 22:55 |
| ckontros | *write/hack | 22:55 |
| scott-work | ckontros: aye, i will | 22:56 |
| * scott-work is leaving work, picking up kids, and heading home now | 22:56 | |
| ckontros | I pulled a branch, made 1 change and tried to push. Got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603012 I'm using bzr from the Natty repo. Not I looked up "rich-root support" and then tried a "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack ." Said branch was v.7 and I couldnt go to v.6. So I'm stuck. | 23:38 |
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