[01:41] <ckontros> Ok. Im off for the night guys. Ill be back tomorrow.
[02:59] <Kokito> hello folks
[02:59] <holstein> Kokito: o/
[03:00] <Kokito> hi holstein 
[03:01] <holstein> Kokito: thanks for offering on the website
[03:01] <holstein> as far as quickly updating
[03:01] <holstein> ScottL acutally has been trying to get access for quite some time
[03:01] <holstein> we are working on it :)
[03:01] <Kokito> who is the admin of the website?
[03:03] <holstein> Kokito: cannonical 
[03:03] <holstein> thats the rub
[03:03] <holstein> its not trivial getting access
[03:03] <Kokito> that sux :)
[03:04] <holstein> eh
[03:04] <holstein> we'll get it
[03:04] <holstein> we got the big site change coming too
[03:04] <holstein> i just hope not too many folks assume we are vapor-ware
[03:06] <Kokito> heh :)
[03:07] <Kokito> is there nobody from the team with permissions to edit the existing content and/or add new content to the website then?
[03:10] <holstein> Kokito: right
[03:10] <holstein> well, there is
[03:11] <holstein> but i think he is MIA
[03:11] <Kokito> ah, yes, I recall Scott mentioned something to that effect
[03:54] <ScottL> Kokito, holstein : stochastic said he updated the website to mention the new release but asked me for a link to the release notes
[03:54] <ScottL> i'm hoping he will now update the release notes as i sent him the link this morning
[03:54] <holstein> ScottL: COOL
[03:55] <Kokito> nice ScottL :)
[03:55] <holstein> ScottL: when you go there
[03:55] <holstein> http://ubuntustudio.org/
[03:55] <holstein> is there a log missing?
[03:55] <holstein> logo*
[03:55] <holstein> or is that something im blocking?
[03:56] <ScottL> it's been missing for a while holstein 
[03:56] <Kokito> the logo seems to be missing
[03:57] <ScottL> it has suffered bit rot
[03:57] <ScottL> Kokito, this is my understanding of the website:
[03:57]  * Kokito listens
[03:57] <ScottL> the website structure, all the .php files and like, are hosted in launchpad in their version control system, bzr
[03:58] <ScottL> anyone has access to this as long as they have launchpad account, i believe
[03:58] <ScottL> they can download it but can't push to our repo
[03:58] <holstein> ScottL: is thats something that stoch can fix real quick?
[03:58] <ScottL> rather they can push to their own launchpad account under "code" and then make a merge proposal
[03:59] <Kokito> Scott, this is Drupal, so you don't need to push anything to bzr to change and/or add content
[03:59] <ScottL> if the person is a ubuntustudio-dev, then they have access to push directly to the bzr branch instead of the merge proposal
[03:59] <ScottL> Kokito, but if you want to adjust the "structure" of the website, you do in this case
[03:59] <Kokito> not necessarily
[03:59] <ScottL> once the -website package is updated then canonical looks over the "code" and pushes this to the canonical hosted website
[03:59] <Kokito> a lot can be done through the web interface in Drupal
[03:59] <ScottL> Kokito, i know
[03:59] <Kokito> you just need the permissions
[04:00] <ScottL> Kokito, holstein:  the "content" on the site is different, this is accessed through permissions in the website
[04:00] <ScottL> you can add new pages, new content, adjust content just as you would expect with a cms or such
[04:00] <ScottL> as long as you have access and permissions
[04:01] <Kokito> right
[04:01] <ScottL> this is the way that canonical controls what is put onto the website in terms of security
[04:01] <Kokito> :)
[04:01] <ScottL> this is my understanding of our drupal website on the canonical hosting
[04:01] <ScottL> holstein, i don't know if it's a quick fix
[04:01] <holstein> should be right?
[04:01] <holstein> just pointing to logo.whatever
[04:01] <ScottL> but i'd rather just push forward and make a new website instead of patching up the old one
[04:02] <holstein> i bet somebody just fat-fingered it away
[04:02] <holstein> by accident
[04:02] <ScottL> holstein, it should be right, but i don't know where that file is or what it was
[04:02] <holstein> ScottL: i agree about pushing forward
[04:02] <Kokito> ScottL: I am more and more inclined US hosting it's own website by the day :)
[04:02] <ScottL> it could be a simple fix or a hard one, don't know because i can't get onto the website :/
[04:02] <holstein> it would be nice if the logo was fixed for now though
[04:02] <holstein> IF its simple*
[04:02] <ScottL> Kokito, i am tending to agree with you
[04:03] <ScottL> holstein, i think it has been mentioend to both cory and eric (stochastic) but it's never mind fixed so i don't know
[04:03] <holstein> ScottL: you are talking to eric via email?
[04:04] <ScottL> i apparently bought a dell gx280 p4 3.0 ghz with hyperthreading and 1gig of memory for $38 and was delivered today
[04:04] <ScottL> the onboard video wasn't supposed to work but it does
[04:04] <holstein> w0w
[04:04] <ScottL> it was only suppose to have 512megs of memeory too
[04:04] <holstein> thats not bad at all
[04:04] <ScottL> well, $20 to get it here didn't help, but it's still cheaper
[04:04] <holstein> yeah, shipping on that stuff is a drag
[04:05] <ScottL> holstein, about eric, i sent him and cory an email asking to update the website for natty
[04:05] <ScottL> cory said he couldn't do it this weekend (but i don't think he still has the access)
[04:05] <ScottL> and eric responded last night/this morning saying he updated the annoucnement and download link but didn't update the release notes yet
[04:05] <ScottL> and he asked for the link
[04:05] <ScottL> i sent it to him this morning
[04:05] <ScottL> we'll see how long it takes to get it further updates
[04:06] <ScottL> i'm just quite happy that we at least got the announcement up
[04:07] <ScottL> but this computer will be something that i fix up with ubuntu studio and give away :)
[04:08] <paultag> heyya ScottL 
[04:08] <ScottL> hi paultag 
[04:08] <ScottL> i'm tempted to take this computer (after some testing) and send it to ailo_ so he can see that i'm not kidding that dell's with onboard audio really do get such low latencies ;)
[04:09] <ScottL> paultag, did you finally get your internet sorted?
[04:09] <Kokito> forgive my inquisitiveness, but why does US use the alternative installer?
[04:09] <paultag> ScottL: *finally*
[04:10] <paultag> ScottL: all is well in the world
[04:10] <ScottL> paultag, i think i would have gone mental and murdered someone by now :P
[04:10] <ScottL> but i'm glad it's working for you again
[04:10] <ScottL> Kokito, no need to apologize
[04:10] <paultag> ScottL: T-W is so shitty
[04:10] <ScottL> Kokito, however, i don't have a good answer, perhaps TheMuso might be able to answer why ubuntustudio uses the alternate installer
[04:11] <holstein> i think it was performance
[04:11] <ScottL> although i can speculate it was because of package installation and giving the user choices during installation
[04:11] <holstein> back then
[04:11] <ScottL> heh :)
[04:11] <holstein> that would have been before dynebolic
[04:11] <TheMuso> Its purely because a gui installer back then involved a live image, which we didn't want.
[04:11] <holstein> and all these new fast live discs
[04:11] <holstein> OH, even simpler :)
[04:11] <holstein> size
[04:11] <TheMuso> I believe Colin looked into getting the GTK alternate installer going, but I don't think anything came of that.
[04:12] <ScottL> hi TheMuso :)  i hope you are doing well
[04:12] <TheMuso> ScottL: Not too bad thanks, gearing up for UDS.
[04:12] <Kokito> hi TheMuso :)
[04:12] <TheMuso> Hi Kokito.
[04:12] <ScottL> TheMuso, how did your accessibility pan out for natty?
[04:12] <ScottL> you had a short time to get a lot done :/
[04:13] <TheMuso> ScottL: Not as complete as we would have liked for Unity, but some incremental improvements accross the board, but we have tons more to do for oneiric.
[04:14] <ScottL> i'm still getting used to unity
[04:14]  * Kokito likes Unity
[04:14] <TheMuso> I still can't use it, due to some important bits not being fully enabled for a11y yet.
[04:17] <ScottL> TheMuso, what is ally?
[04:17] <ScottL> or is that a11y?
[04:17] <TheMuso> a11y
[04:18] <TheMuso> Its short for accessibility, just like i18n.
[04:18] <TheMuso> I.e i18n is short for internationalization.
[04:18] <ScottL> ah, yeah
[04:18] <ScottL> i knew the i18n, didn't know a11y
[04:19] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:19] <ScottL> i'm really hoping we can use xubuntu's work on the live cd to create one for ourselves, but i don't think it's going to be stupidly easy though 
[04:20] <ScottL> and i'm not really expecting it to happen for 11.10 either....there's just too much other work going to be happening
[04:21] <holstein> ScottL: we should get a bit of a time line going
[04:21] <holstein> and prioritize realistically
[04:21] <ScottL> aye, that's what cory was mentioning in one of his emails to the ML
[04:21] <holstein> cool
[04:22] <ScottL> i'm still disappointed with xchat's behaviour across workspaces with unity
[04:23] <holstein> ?
[04:23] <holstein> whats it do?
[04:23] <ScottL> the icon only half appears on the side of the screen, gives a shake, then disappears for good it seems
[04:23] <ScottL> on gnome2 you would get the icon on the top panel flashing and you would get a window listing on the bottom panel which pulsed
[04:23] <ScottL> no matter which workspace you were on
[04:24] <ScottL> and all you had to do was click on the pushing window listing on the bottom and it would take you to the correct workspace
[04:24] <TheMuso> Making a live image will depend on whether Canonical can give you the CPU time you need to build live images, as well as disk space to store them.
[04:25] <ScottL> TheMuso, i had thought that the live image would replace the alternate, but perhaps you advocate keeping the alternate?
[04:25] <ScottL> my original thought was that this wouldn't yield too much additional cpu time/storage
[04:25] <TheMuso> I don't advocate either, and yes it would replace the alternate, but the alternate is much easier to build, and requires less disk space and resources.
[04:26] <ScottL> right
[04:26] <TheMuso> Alternate disks only require one step to be completed. Live disks require 2 steps.
[04:26] <ScottL> TheMuso, do you have a suggestion to whom i should speak about trying to make arrangements?
[04:26] <TheMuso> The live filesystem image needs to be created and made available to the second step, teh building of the disk image itself.
[04:26] <ScottL> the only person i can think of directly is colin
[04:26] <ScottL> or scottk
[04:26] <TheMuso> ScottL: I think Colin would be the first port of call, he may ask you to contact others, but I doubt it/
[04:27] <ScottL> i'll need to start talking to him this cycle then in preparation for next cycle then
[04:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, also, persia had mentioned about pushing the -lowlatency kernel into the universe repository
[04:27] <ScottL> TheMuso, but he seems to be hit or miss in attendance
[04:28] <ScottL> TheMuso, my thought was to begin talks with another -motu to help us accomplish this, do you have any suggestions on who might be a good candidate to talk with?
[04:28] <TheMuso> Right, I waswanting to help with this, however to make things easier to manage, we need to base on top of the Ubuntu kernel. The kernel team have a work item to document how they create their derivative kernel branches, but afaik this document is not yet complete.
[04:29] <ScottL> yes, i've been watching that blueprint, i think persia was quite disappointed as well
[04:29] <TheMuso> I'll ask them at UDS about this procedure. I dare say they could tell me and I could whip something up to help us get lowlatency done.
[04:29] <ScottL> TheMuso, persia's point was that UKT doesn't really have purview directly over this as the -lowlatency kernel would be community maintained and hosted in universe
[04:29] <TheMuso> I'll bug Andy. I get along well with him, so I think he will be able to explain it to me without too much fuss.
[04:30] <TheMuso> Thats right, but we need to knwo how to properly base on top of the kernel team's work, so its less work for us.
[04:30] <ScottL> he was tired of waiting for UKT to finish the documentation and wanted to move forward :P
[04:30] <TheMuso> Right, which is why I'm saying that I'll just talk to a kernel team member, and find out how its done, and go from there.
[04:30] <ScottL> okay :)
[04:31] <holstein> is that something JFo would know?
[04:31] <ScottL> TheMuso, i think there is a bit of misinformation within UKT though about this kernel, they seem to think it takes an extensively invasive patch, much like the -rt kernel
[04:31] <holstein> eh, its a little late here
[04:31] <holstein> maybe JFo is out
[04:31] <ScottL> abogani starts with ubuntu's -generic kernel and only makes run time flag changes
[04:32] <holstein> i can understand the need for consistancy though
[04:32] <ScottL> sorry, not "run" time but "compile" time
[04:32] <TheMuso> I know that, and I can be sure that it is made clear when I talk to Andy.
[04:32] <TheMuso> I am not sure if JFO knows, as he is not involved with kernel branch maintenance so far as I've seen.
[04:33] <ScottL> TheMuso, that would be outstanding!  thank you :)
[04:33] <TheMuso> np
[04:33] <ScottL> oh, i just realized Andy is the APW most likely and the one responsible for the derivative kernel documentation
[04:35] <TheMuso> Yep.
[04:41] <ScottL> i don't think i'll make UDS this year either :(
[04:42] <ScottL> work has been very, very busy because our parent company bought our competitor and now we are integrating our product lines
[04:42] <ScottL> i'm responsible, with two others from the other company, to oversee and effect the integration of the detailing departments
[04:43] <ScottL> i probably will not have the latitude to take a week of during the rest of the year
[04:44] <ScottL> i wish the workspace switch had a key shortcut
[04:44] <ScottL> in unity
[04:45] <ScottL> i do like that when i'm in the workspace switch that i can drag and drop windows to other workspaces...that's pretty cool actually :)
[04:50] <TheMuso> You can move between workspaces with control + alt + arrows.
[04:50] <TheMuso> And add shift to that to move a window between workspaces.
[04:51] <ScottL> hmmm, control + alt + arrows isn't working right
[04:52] <ScottL> but adding shit does move the window correctly
[04:53] <ScottL> scratch that, control + alt + arrows works...i was using shift + alt 
[05:11] <TheMuso> heh
[22:47]  * ckontros waves.
[22:51] <holstein> ckontros: o/
[22:55] <ckontros> ScottL: Gonna have time to write.hack tonight?
[22:55] <ckontros> *write/hack
[22:56] <scott-work> ckontros: aye, i will
[22:56]  * scott-work is leaving work, picking up kids, and heading home now
[23:38] <ckontros> I pulled a branch, made 1 change and tried to push. Got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603012 I'm using bzr from the Natty repo. Not I looked up  "rich-root support" and then tried a "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack ." Said branch was v.7 and I couldnt go to v.6. So I'm stuck.