[01:41] Ok. Im off for the night guys. Ill be back tomorrow. [02:59] hello folks [02:59] Kokito: o/ [03:00] hi holstein [03:01] Kokito: thanks for offering on the website [03:01] as far as quickly updating [03:01] ScottL acutally has been trying to get access for quite some time [03:01] we are working on it :) [03:01] who is the admin of the website? [03:03] Kokito: cannonical [03:03] thats the rub [03:03] its not trivial getting access [03:03] that sux :) [03:04] eh [03:04] we'll get it [03:04] we got the big site change coming too [03:04] i just hope not too many folks assume we are vapor-ware [03:06] heh :) [03:07] is there nobody from the team with permissions to edit the existing content and/or add new content to the website then? [03:10] Kokito: right [03:10] well, there is [03:11] but i think he is MIA [03:11] ah, yes, I recall Scott mentioned something to that effect [03:54] Kokito, holstein : stochastic said he updated the website to mention the new release but asked me for a link to the release notes [03:54] i'm hoping he will now update the release notes as i sent him the link this morning [03:54] ScottL: COOL [03:55] nice ScottL :) [03:55] ScottL: when you go there [03:55] http://ubuntustudio.org/ [03:55] is there a log missing? [03:55] logo* [03:55] or is that something im blocking? [03:56] it's been missing for a while holstein [03:56] the logo seems to be missing [03:57] it has suffered bit rot [03:57] Kokito, this is my understanding of the website: [03:57] * Kokito listens [03:57] the website structure, all the .php files and like, are hosted in launchpad in their version control system, bzr [03:58] anyone has access to this as long as they have launchpad account, i believe [03:58] they can download it but can't push to our repo [03:58] ScottL: is thats something that stoch can fix real quick? [03:58] rather they can push to their own launchpad account under "code" and then make a merge proposal [03:59] Scott, this is Drupal, so you don't need to push anything to bzr to change and/or add content [03:59] if the person is a ubuntustudio-dev, then they have access to push directly to the bzr branch instead of the merge proposal [03:59] Kokito, but if you want to adjust the "structure" of the website, you do in this case [03:59] not necessarily [03:59] once the -website package is updated then canonical looks over the "code" and pushes this to the canonical hosted website [03:59] a lot can be done through the web interface in Drupal [03:59] Kokito, i know [03:59] you just need the permissions [04:00] Kokito, holstein: the "content" on the site is different, this is accessed through permissions in the website [04:00] you can add new pages, new content, adjust content just as you would expect with a cms or such [04:00] as long as you have access and permissions [04:01] right [04:01] this is the way that canonical controls what is put onto the website in terms of security [04:01] :) [04:01] this is my understanding of our drupal website on the canonical hosting [04:01] holstein, i don't know if it's a quick fix [04:01] should be right? [04:01] just pointing to logo.whatever [04:01] but i'd rather just push forward and make a new website instead of patching up the old one [04:02] i bet somebody just fat-fingered it away [04:02] by accident [04:02] holstein, it should be right, but i don't know where that file is or what it was [04:02] ScottL: i agree about pushing forward [04:02] ScottL: I am more and more inclined US hosting it's own website by the day :) [04:02] it could be a simple fix or a hard one, don't know because i can't get onto the website :/ [04:02] it would be nice if the logo was fixed for now though [04:02] IF its simple* [04:02] Kokito, i am tending to agree with you [04:03] holstein, i think it has been mentioend to both cory and eric (stochastic) but it's never mind fixed so i don't know [04:03] ScottL: you are talking to eric via email? [04:04] i apparently bought a dell gx280 p4 3.0 ghz with hyperthreading and 1gig of memory for $38 and was delivered today [04:04] the onboard video wasn't supposed to work but it does [04:04] w0w [04:04] it was only suppose to have 512megs of memeory too [04:04] thats not bad at all [04:04] well, $20 to get it here didn't help, but it's still cheaper [04:04] yeah, shipping on that stuff is a drag [04:05] holstein, about eric, i sent him and cory an email asking to update the website for natty [04:05] cory said he couldn't do it this weekend (but i don't think he still has the access) [04:05] and eric responded last night/this morning saying he updated the annoucnement and download link but didn't update the release notes yet [04:05] and he asked for the link [04:05] i sent it to him this morning [04:05] we'll see how long it takes to get it further updates [04:06] i'm just quite happy that we at least got the announcement up [04:07] but this computer will be something that i fix up with ubuntu studio and give away :) [04:08] heyya ScottL [04:08] hi paultag [04:08] i'm tempted to take this computer (after some testing) and send it to ailo_ so he can see that i'm not kidding that dell's with onboard audio really do get such low latencies ;) [04:09] paultag, did you finally get your internet sorted? [04:09] forgive my inquisitiveness, but why does US use the alternative installer? [04:09] ScottL: *finally* [04:10] ScottL: all is well in the world [04:10] paultag, i think i would have gone mental and murdered someone by now :P [04:10] but i'm glad it's working for you again [04:10] Kokito, no need to apologize [04:10] ScottL: T-W is so shitty [04:10] Kokito, however, i don't have a good answer, perhaps TheMuso might be able to answer why ubuntustudio uses the alternate installer [04:11] i think it was performance [04:11] although i can speculate it was because of package installation and giving the user choices during installation [04:11] back then [04:11] heh :) [04:11] that would have been before dynebolic [04:11] Its purely because a gui installer back then involved a live image, which we didn't want. [04:11] and all these new fast live discs [04:11] OH, even simpler :) [04:11] size [04:11] I believe Colin looked into getting the GTK alternate installer going, but I don't think anything came of that. [04:12] hi TheMuso :) i hope you are doing well [04:12] ScottL: Not too bad thanks, gearing up for UDS. [04:12] hi TheMuso :) [04:12] Hi Kokito. [04:12] TheMuso, how did your accessibility pan out for natty? [04:12] you had a short time to get a lot done :/ [04:13] ScottL: Not as complete as we would have liked for Unity, but some incremental improvements accross the board, but we have tons more to do for oneiric. [04:14] i'm still getting used to unity [04:14] * Kokito likes Unity [04:14] I still can't use it, due to some important bits not being fully enabled for a11y yet. [04:17] TheMuso, what is ally? [04:17] or is that a11y? [04:17] a11y [04:18] Its short for accessibility, just like i18n. [04:18] I.e i18n is short for internationalization. [04:18] ah, yeah [04:18] i knew the i18n, didn't know a11y [04:19] Right. [04:19] i'm really hoping we can use xubuntu's work on the live cd to create one for ourselves, but i don't think it's going to be stupidly easy though [04:20] and i'm not really expecting it to happen for 11.10 either....there's just too much other work going to be happening [04:21] ScottL: we should get a bit of a time line going [04:21] and prioritize realistically [04:21] aye, that's what cory was mentioning in one of his emails to the ML [04:21] cool [04:22] i'm still disappointed with xchat's behaviour across workspaces with unity [04:23] ? [04:23] whats it do? [04:23] the icon only half appears on the side of the screen, gives a shake, then disappears for good it seems [04:23] on gnome2 you would get the icon on the top panel flashing and you would get a window listing on the bottom panel which pulsed [04:23] no matter which workspace you were on [04:24] and all you had to do was click on the pushing window listing on the bottom and it would take you to the correct workspace [04:24] Making a live image will depend on whether Canonical can give you the CPU time you need to build live images, as well as disk space to store them. [04:25] TheMuso, i had thought that the live image would replace the alternate, but perhaps you advocate keeping the alternate? [04:25] my original thought was that this wouldn't yield too much additional cpu time/storage [04:25] I don't advocate either, and yes it would replace the alternate, but the alternate is much easier to build, and requires less disk space and resources. [04:26] right [04:26] Alternate disks only require one step to be completed. Live disks require 2 steps. [04:26] TheMuso, do you have a suggestion to whom i should speak about trying to make arrangements? [04:26] The live filesystem image needs to be created and made available to the second step, teh building of the disk image itself. [04:26] the only person i can think of directly is colin [04:26] or scottk [04:26] ScottL: I think Colin would be the first port of call, he may ask you to contact others, but I doubt it/ [04:27] i'll need to start talking to him this cycle then in preparation for next cycle then [04:27] TheMuso, also, persia had mentioned about pushing the -lowlatency kernel into the universe repository [04:27] TheMuso, but he seems to be hit or miss in attendance [04:28] TheMuso, my thought was to begin talks with another -motu to help us accomplish this, do you have any suggestions on who might be a good candidate to talk with? [04:28] Right, I waswanting to help with this, however to make things easier to manage, we need to base on top of the Ubuntu kernel. The kernel team have a work item to document how they create their derivative kernel branches, but afaik this document is not yet complete. [04:29] yes, i've been watching that blueprint, i think persia was quite disappointed as well [04:29] I'll ask them at UDS about this procedure. I dare say they could tell me and I could whip something up to help us get lowlatency done. [04:29] TheMuso, persia's point was that UKT doesn't really have purview directly over this as the -lowlatency kernel would be community maintained and hosted in universe [04:29] I'll bug Andy. I get along well with him, so I think he will be able to explain it to me without too much fuss. [04:30] Thats right, but we need to knwo how to properly base on top of the kernel team's work, so its less work for us. [04:30] he was tired of waiting for UKT to finish the documentation and wanted to move forward :P [04:30] Right, which is why I'm saying that I'll just talk to a kernel team member, and find out how its done, and go from there. [04:30] okay :) [04:31] is that something JFo would know? [04:31] TheMuso, i think there is a bit of misinformation within UKT though about this kernel, they seem to think it takes an extensively invasive patch, much like the -rt kernel [04:31] eh, its a little late here [04:31] maybe JFo is out [04:31] abogani starts with ubuntu's -generic kernel and only makes run time flag changes [04:32] i can understand the need for consistancy though [04:32] sorry, not "run" time but "compile" time [04:32] I know that, and I can be sure that it is made clear when I talk to Andy. [04:32] I am not sure if JFO knows, as he is not involved with kernel branch maintenance so far as I've seen. [04:33] TheMuso, that would be outstanding! thank you :) [04:33] np [04:33] oh, i just realized Andy is the APW most likely and the one responsible for the derivative kernel documentation [04:35] Yep. [04:41] i don't think i'll make UDS this year either :( [04:42] work has been very, very busy because our parent company bought our competitor and now we are integrating our product lines [04:42] i'm responsible, with two others from the other company, to oversee and effect the integration of the detailing departments [04:43] i probably will not have the latitude to take a week of during the rest of the year [04:44] i wish the workspace switch had a key shortcut [04:44] in unity [04:45] i do like that when i'm in the workspace switch that i can drag and drop windows to other workspaces...that's pretty cool actually :) [04:50] You can move between workspaces with control + alt + arrows. [04:50] And add shift to that to move a window between workspaces. [04:51] hmmm, control + alt + arrows isn't working right [04:52] but adding shit does move the window correctly [04:53] scratch that, control + alt + arrows works...i was using shift + alt [05:11] heh [22:47] * ckontros waves. [22:51] ckontros: o/ [22:55] ScottL: Gonna have time to write.hack tonight? [22:55] *write/hack [22:56] ckontros: aye, i will [22:56] * scott-work is leaving work, picking up kids, and heading home now [23:38] I pulled a branch, made 1 change and tried to push. Got this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603012 I'm using bzr from the Natty repo. Not I looked up "rich-root support" and then tried a "bzr upgrade --rich-root-pack ." Said branch was v.7 and I couldnt go to v.6. So I'm stuck.