[01:09] <belak> It might just be me, but I can't get the ubuntu studio install cd to work. It keeps failing on "Select and install software"
[01:09] <belak> s/cd/dvd/
[01:11] <belak> It looks like tons and tons of errors on dependencies of pulse audio stuff
[01:46] <belak> Well, looks like I have a semi-working minimal install so I'm gonna install ubuntustudio-desktop and see if that works
[02:46] <ScottL> belak, how did you get the install disc?
[02:47] <ScottL> did you get it from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/11.04/release/
[02:54] <belak> Yeah
[02:55] <belak> Maybe it was because I tried it with unetbootin
[02:57] <holstein> belak: o/
[02:57] <holstein> belak: if you would
[02:57] <holstein> PLEASE add yourself to this bug i started...
[02:57] <holstein> relating to the issue you had
[02:57] <belak> Ah, so it wasn't just me?
[02:58] <holstein> nah
[02:58] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/697774
[02:58] <holstein> belak: theres acutally a couple things in the works
[02:58] <holstein> one of which
[02:58] <holstein> is moving to a live installer
[02:58] <holstein> which would solve that issue and maybe a few others
[02:59] <holstein> we'll see*
[02:59] <holstein> belak: its not just ubuntustudio
[02:59] <holstein> its any of the alternate installers
[02:59] <holstein> and there are a few workarounds
[02:59] <holstein> BUT, you can always just install what you want from ubuntustudio into a normal ubuntu install
[02:59] <holstein> !vanilla
[03:01] <belak> It worked fine for me with xubuntu
[03:01] <holstein> belak: actually
[03:01] <holstein> is that xubuntu 11.04?
[03:02] <holstein> are you planning on keeping XFCE ?
[03:02] <holstein> im asking becuase thats another one of our proposed changes
[03:02] <holstein> moving to XFCE
[03:06] <belak> Yeah, I like xfce
[03:07] <belak> And yes it's 11.04
[03:07] <belak> They did a really good job with it, I have to say
[03:07] <virtu> anyone near NY or in NY City?
[03:08] <holstein> there are a few NY'res over in #opensourcemusicians
[03:08] <holstein> i go up there from time to time for gigs
[03:08] <holstein> but im pretty far from there
[03:08] <holstein> 10 hours*
[03:08] <virtu> in august I will be there
[03:08] <virtu> and I am looking forward for a nice hostel
[03:08] <virtu> like this one http://nylofthostel.com/english/contact_us
[03:09] <holstein> cool
[03:09] <holstein> i stay at the ASU loft
[03:09] <holstein> in chelsea
[03:09] <holstein> sometimes
[03:09] <holstein> i usually stay with friends though
[03:09] <virtu> and is it more cheaper then that hostel?
[03:10] <holstein> well, if you are an alumni
[03:10] <holstein> which i am not
[03:10] <holstein> but, i know a professor that hooks me up
[03:10] <holstein> its like $30 a night
[03:10] <virtu> My idea is to be very well located, because it will be just 4 days in a hurry
[03:10] <holstein> *bunk beds though
[03:10] <holstein> virtu: have you been there before?
[03:10] <virtu> never been there, 1st time in NY
[03:11] <holstein> well, 4 days is not enough ;)
[03:11] <holstein> just soak it in
[03:11] <belak> holstein: why are you looking at switching to xfce, out of curiosity?
[03:11] <holstein> and try to keep an eye on your wallet
[03:11] <holstein> i had 8 days up there
[03:11] <virtu> yeah... holstein I will arrive august 1st in philadelphia
[03:11] <holstein> when i was in that loft
[03:11] <virtu> then go to Orlando and Key West until 08/13
[03:12] <holstein> i had a recording session that cancelled
[03:12] <holstein> and i ended up with lots of spare time to run around
[03:12] <holstein> it was nice
[03:12] <holstein> virtu: is there a local?
[03:12] <holstein> that can show you around?
[03:12] <holstein> you really need a local
[03:12] <holstein> i feel like it took me 4 or 5 trips to really feel comfortable up there
[03:13] <holstein> BUT, im not in a big city like that
[03:13] <holstein> i guess it depends on what you are used to
[03:13] <virtu> what you mean when you call a local
[03:14] <holstein> virtu: i person that lives there*
[03:14] <virtu> ahh no... I dont have nobody there...
[03:14] <holstein> maybe you can find someone
[03:14] <holstein> otherwise, you really just get stuck doing the touristy stuff
[03:15] <holstein> which is fun too though
[03:15] <virtu> that's one reason that I asking about that hostel link that I paste...
[03:15] <virtu> in google that hostel is very well rated
[03:15] <virtu> sent an e-mail right now, asking some informations
[03:15] <holstein> let me look on the map
[03:15] <holstein> there are places in brooklyn you might not want to be
[03:16] <holstein> ive stayed on the edge of redhook
[03:16] <holstein> and thought it was OK
[03:16] <holstein> but, my girlfriend didnt like it
[03:16] <virtu> ok...
[03:17] <virtu> I will travel with a couple of friends... so our worries are just with gadgets that will buy...
[03:17] <virtu> it must be a save hostel
[03:18] <virtu> maybe I will get a new mac
[03:19] <holstein> virtu: i looked at the map
[03:19] <holstein> and ive never been in that area
[03:19] <virtu> ok
[03:19] <holstein> and ive been told to avoid the area that is just north of there
[03:19] <holstein> but, you never know really
[03:20] <virtu> 1613 comments at Google and 4/5 statrs
[03:20] <holstein> the site looks nice
[03:20] <holstein> its not far from the BQE
[03:20] <virtu> sute... very well done
[03:20] <holstein> your not close to a train
[03:20] <holstein> but, your not too far from several different trains
[03:21] <holstein> which is nice
[03:21] <holstein> *like 6 blocks
[03:21] <holstein> thats not bad
[03:21] <virtu> sure... I was reading at google comments and a lot of persons from Europe rated nice...
[03:21] <holstein> i bet you can get over in manhattan in like 15 mintues or so
[03:22] <holstein> virtu: yeah, i wouldnt be scared of that
[03:22] <holstein> virtu: let me know :)
[03:22] <holstein> i stayed at the brooklyn motor inn
[03:23] <holstein> they have an hourly rate ;)
[03:23] <holstein> i little scary
[03:23] <virtu> yup
[03:24] <holstein> virtu: there was a free day
[03:24] <holstein> at the museum of modern art
[03:24] <holstein> you should ask about that
[03:24] <holstein> its in the park
[03:24] <holstein> thats a nice daytime thing to do
[03:25] <virtu> =)
[03:25] <virtu> ok...
[03:27] <virtu> hostel is 10 minutes from Union Sqaure
[03:27] <virtu> 15 minutes from Times Square
[03:27] <holstein> yeah, thats what i was thinking
[03:27] <holstein> is that on the L?
[03:27] <holstein> the grey train?
[03:28] <holstein> eh, you'll figure it out
[03:28] <holstein> its nice that you can catch several different train there though
[03:28] <holstein> within 6 or 8 blocks
[03:28] <virtu> ok...
[03:29] <virtu> today I start to search a cool place to stay... and this hostel seems to be nice... many comments at google
[03:29] <virtu> but...
[03:29] <virtu> I need to make a sightseeing plan
[03:30] <virtu> and with that plan on hand it will be easier to see if that hostel will be very well located
[03:30] <virtu> tomorrow I will dinner with my friends and list what we want to do there
[03:31] <holstein> i really enjoyed riding the train out to coney island
[03:31] <holstein> i started in midtown
[03:31] <holstein> it was a nice ride
[03:31] <holstein> its above ground a lot of the way
[03:32] <holstein> and when i got out there
[03:32] <holstein> i walked around a bit
[03:32] <holstein> you can look back across SO many blocks of brooklyn
[03:32] <holstein> and see straight down the street :)
[03:32] <holstein> thats fun
[03:32] <holstein> and cheap *
[03:32] <virtu> it seems very fun..
[03:33] <virtu> one idea that I have here.. is to sell here in Brazil my old Nikon D40 camera and get a brand new Nikon 5100
[03:33] <virtu> and that ride that you told seems to be very nice to catch some pictures
[03:34] <holstein> yeah
[03:37] <virtu> 245U$ for 4 nights at a mixed room
[03:38] <holstein> euro?
[03:39] <holstein> thats like $500 bucks?
[03:39] <holstein> US?
[03:39] <virtu> holstein: in that places it will be safe to get a mac mini, an ipad and other electronics and leave in a closed dock?
[03:39] <virtu> US
[03:39] <virtu> US Dolar
[03:39] <holstein> 245 US ?
[03:39] <virtu> yeah
[03:39] <holstein> thats a great deal
[03:39] <virtu> 245 US for 4 nights
[03:39] <virtu> ok... good to know...
[03:40] <holstein> virtu: closed dock?
[03:40] <holstein> locker?
[03:40] <holstein> something with a lock?
[03:40] <holstein> or a room?
[03:40] <virtu> and 345 US for 4 nights in a Private Room for 2 persons (my friends couple)
[03:40] <virtu> locker
[03:40] <virtu> forgot that world..
[03:40] <virtu> a locker
[03:40] <holstein> virtu: and you can put a lock on it?
[03:41] <virtu> I guess... have to confim at hostel
[03:41] <holstein> i would ask
[03:41] <holstein> and take a lock
[03:41] <holstein> or get one there
[03:41] <virtu> http://nylofthostel.com/english/booking/faq
[03:42] <virtu> in USA I will get 2 new luggage (samsonite one and a high sierra duffel), so I need one or two well sized lockers to put that stuff into
[04:05] <belak> holstein: you mentioned switching to xfce
[04:05] <belak> How come?
[04:06] <holstein> belak: well
[04:06] <holstein> gnome is changing
[04:06] <holstein> and ubuntu is moving to unity
[04:07] <holstein> and we feel like those are not consistent with what studio users need
[04:07] <holstein> and XFCE is nice
[04:07] <holstein> well supported
[04:07] <paultag> fluxbox :)
[04:07] <holstein> and full featured
[04:07] <holstein> paultag: :)
[04:07] <paultag> heyya holstein
[04:07] <holstein> paultag: o/
[04:07] <paultag> holstein: s'new my friend?
[04:08] <holstein> not much
[04:08] <holstein> working hard
[04:08] <paultag> good man :)
[04:08] <holstein> which is good
[04:08] <belak> How man devs are there with ubuntu-studio?
[04:08] <holstein> paultag: and you?
[04:08] <holstein> belak: its hard to say how many devs are responisible for the pacakges
[04:08] <holstein> but there are no specific studio devs
[04:09] <holstein> just us chickens :)
[04:09] <belak> What about the packaging? Package selection and such
[04:09] <paultag> holstein: well, thanks! Just finals time now at Uni
[04:09] <holstein> belak: careful, i might assume you are volunteering ;)
[04:10] <holstein> ScottL is the team lead
[04:10] <holstein> he takes care of the heavy lifting
[04:10] <belak> I'm interested in the process, but not sure about volunteering just yet. ;)
[04:10] <holstein> or gets it taken care of
[04:11] <belak> Do you think there will be a rebuild when the alt install issue gets fixed?
[04:12] <holstein> belak: nah
[04:12] <holstein> its not really a bug
[04:12] <holstein> its a feature ;p
[04:12] <belak> Not really a bug!??
[04:12] <holstein> the alternates are just not compatible with unet
[04:12] <belak> Ah
[04:13] <holstein> or the ubuntu usb stick maker thingy
[04:13] <belak> So, if I burned it to a disk it would work?
[04:13] <holstein> belak: right
[04:13] <holstein> and i feel like, if we are going to move to a live installer anyways
[04:13] <belak> I don't know where my blank dvd's are
[04:13] <holstein> then that will be 'fixed'
[04:13] <holstein> belak: there are how-tos on that bug though
[04:13] <belak> Oh?
[04:14] <holstein> work-arounds*
[04:14] <holstein> i got the one i posted from the server team
[04:14] <holstein> and i didnt try it myself
[04:14] <holstein> but
[04:14] <holstein> i linked it to several folks that used it succesfully
[04:14] <holstein> and i was told there was an even simpler way
[04:14] <belak> Ahhh
[04:15] <belak> Mostly pulseaudio...
[04:15] <belak> Go figure that's what I had issues with
[04:15] <holstein> yeah
[04:15] <holstein> lots do
[04:15] <holstein> ive always been ok with pulse
[04:15] <holstein> i start JACK
[04:15] <holstein> it moves out of the way
[04:15] <holstein> and on my daily machines
[04:16] <holstein> it seems to work fine
[04:16] <belak> I haven't used ubuntu for audio work before
[04:16] <holstein> but, i understand the frustrations
[04:16] <holstein> belak: check out #opensourcemusicians
[04:16] <holstein> we talk about, and help with making music with these tools
[04:19] <belak> I'm used to Logic on macs, as that's what my school has
[04:19] <holstein> i never liked the UI much
[04:19] <holstein> for logic
[04:20] <belak> What do you like?
[04:20] <holstein> i know lots of folks like it though
[04:20] <holstein> i use ardour
[04:20] <holstein> ive used cubase a lot in the past though
[04:21] <belak> I'll have to look into ardour
[04:21] <holstein> yeah
[04:21] <belak> I'm so used to Logic and ProTools...
[04:21] <belak> lol
[04:21] <belak> Are there any good oss synths?
[04:21] <holstein> sure
[04:22] <holstein> zynaddsubfx and/or yoshimi are popular
[04:22] <holstein> theres a bunch though
[04:22] <holstein> im just not a MIDI guy
[04:22] <holstein> i do a bit of it
[04:24] <belak> I've used Reason for synths... and that's been fantastic
[04:24] <belak> Not sure if I'll ever find something to replace it
[04:25] <holstein> if you can
[04:25] <holstein> dont
[04:25] <holstein> thats where its trouble
[04:25] <holstein> when you come to linux looking for replacements
[04:25] <holstein> i mean
[04:25] <holstein> i would not try to replace ardour with something else
[04:25] <holstein> its its own thing really
[04:25] <belak> I see
[04:25] <holstein> i used to use cubase on XP
[04:26] <holstein> and that was a lot of adjusting to re-learn how to work
[04:26] <holstein> with different tools
[04:26] <belak> I'll just have to try what linux has to offer and see what I like and don't like
[04:26] <holstein> but, when i settled in
[04:26] <holstein> and really got into JACK
[04:26] <holstein> and started to realize the potential
[04:26] <holstein> the interconnectedness that you just cant get from proprietary software
[04:27] <holstein> thats where we have the edge
[04:27] <holstein> you can run JACK and ardour on OSX
[04:27] <holstein> i have before
[04:28] <belak> If I had a mac... lol
[04:28] <holstein> yeah
[04:28] <holstein> i just assumed
[04:28] <belak> I've just got PCs... all with linux... been using the schools macs
[04:28] <holstein> with all the logic and pro-tools talk
[04:28] <belak> Yeah
[04:28] <holstein> well, there all PC's now
[04:28] <holstein> intel chips and all :)
[04:29] <belak> :P
[04:29] <belak> Yeah
[04:29] <belak> But good luck running Logic in windows
[04:29] <holstein> well, i dont use either
[04:30] <belak> Yeah, fair enough
[05:58] <YellowGTO> Hey guys
[05:58] <YellowGTO> Anyone know real time Mic echo reducer for Ubuntu?
[06:39] <robrrt> hey
[06:55] <robrrt> hi mona
[06:56] <Monona> Hey robrrt.
[06:56] <robrrt> no live cd/dvd/?? ong we are doomed!!
[06:57] <Monona> Nah, 'salright.
[15:35] <holstein> exhibit A
[15:35] <holstein> 01:52 < robrrt> no live cd/dvd/?? ong we are doomed!!
[15:35] <holstein> :)
[19:29] <cousin_mario> Hello.
[19:29]  * cousin_mario would like to know if ubuntustudio will switch to Unity anytime soon.
[20:07] <holstein> cousin_mario: hey
[20:07] <holstein> we are actually considering switching to XFCE
[20:07] <holstein> however, the repos are, and always will be the same
[20:08] <holstein> SO, unity and unity-2d will both always be available
[20:08] <holstein> you could, in the future, either install normal ubuntu
[20:08] <holstein> and add what you want from the studio meta pacakges
[20:08] <holstein> kinda like
[20:08] <holstein> !vanilla
[20:08] <holstein> OR
[20:09] <holstein> just customize an ubuntustudio install with unity
[20:09] <holstein> easily* actually
[20:09] <holstein> with the ubuntu-desktop metapackge
[20:14] <cousin_mario> holstein: Actually I wanted to know if Gnome2 was going to be phased out.
[20:18] <holstein> cousin_mario: that has nothing to do with us
[20:19] <holstein> gnome is phasing gnome2 out
[20:19] <holstein> i mean, im sure it'll be around in some capacity for a while
[20:19] <holstein> but, we all should be looking toward the future
[20:21] <cousin_mario> :(
[20:21] <holstein> eh, its cool
[20:22] <holstein> these are exciting times
[20:22] <cousin_mario> the future doesn't look that good
[20:22] <holstein> ubuntu has its own look and feel
[20:22] <holstein> KDE is nice
[20:22] <holstein> *even though i dont like it
[20:22] <cousin_mario> I find Unity rather immature still.
[20:22] <holstein> KDE 4.6 is bangin
[20:22] <cousin_mario> KDE 4 is slick and polished but it doesn't click...
[20:22] <holstein> and XFCE is always doing great stuff
[20:22] <cousin_mario> XFCE maybe
[20:22] <holstein> LXDE is nice and light
[20:24] <cousin_mario> I suppose I just have deep-seated habits regarding UI.
[20:25] <holstein> cousin_mario: i hear you
[20:25] <holstein> its a time of change for sure
[20:26] <holstein> im trying to stay positive about it
[20:40] <cousin_mario> gn everyone
[20:57] <rgibbs> I kind of like the new xubuntu
[20:57] <rgibbs> Maybe I'll add the studio packages to it
[22:03] <holstein> rgibbs: let us know how it goes