[00:00] got it thanks [00:17] What are the hard drive requirements for 11.04 xubuntu.? I have Hardy xubuntu on 2.5 GB ext3, but 8.04 won't be supported anymore. /dev/sda5 ext3 2.5G 2.2G 177M 93% / [00:18] I installed it in 3GB, I did not try less than that, though [00:19] I'm thinking maybe lubuntu might require less. The image is a bit smaller. [00:19] yes, lubuntu is less [00:23] does xfce support watercooling ? [00:45] Dice-Man: does your water cooling require windows software to run? [00:45] lolno [01:28] after upgrading to xubuntu natty when i try to shutdown or restart it just takes me back to the login screen [01:29] That is a reported bug in Xfce. As stated in the release notes, you can shutdown or restart from there and everything is fine [01:34] charlie-tca: thanks! [01:35] but another problem, when i get back to the login screen the mouse is dead so i can't get to the shutdown button [01:36] Now that's a little harder to fix [01:37] Only suggestion I got left then. Use Ctrl+Alt+F2 to switch to tty, login, enter either sudo shutdown -r now to restart or sudo shutdown -P now to shutdown [01:37] i tried that, it locks up the computer compleytely about half the time [01:38] hm, seems like more wrong than just the shutdown/restart bug. [01:38] yeah, but it was working fine before upgrade [01:38] try just hitting logout from the panel, and shutdown/restart from GDM? [01:39] can't shutdown from gdm because the mouse is dead [01:40] but when i log back in, the mouse comes back! [01:40] jpohl: which part locks up the computer? Ctrl+Alt+F2 or running shutdown from the tty? [01:40] actually i didn't try shutdown command only "reboot" command [01:41] it locks up after the shutdown statrts [01:41] *starts [01:42] i just tried shutdown, locked up again [01:42] (i'm on a different computer here) [01:42] eek, dinner awaits, gotta go. [01:43] let me find the keypresses to shutdown from gdm [01:44] whats that hard reset of X.. something like ctrl + sysrq + K ? [01:44] or something like that [01:44] Alt+SysRq+k [01:44] thanks [01:45] You are welcome [01:45] sysrq? what key is that? [01:46] jpohl: under prtsc, most of the time [01:46] oh i see it now [01:49] can't find the keypress to shutdown in GDM [01:52] all i found was a bug report, that was labeled "invalid" [01:53] bug 711571 [01:53] Launchpad bug 711571 in xfdesktop4 (Ubuntu Natty) "xfdesktop4 crashes on exit with xorg-server 1.10" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711571 [01:53] jpohl: ^ ^ ^ [02:00] This will most likely be a very simple question: How do you burn a CD in xubuntu? [02:00] hi all [02:00] noob here xD [02:01] Or is it best just to use Xfburn? [02:02] xfburn [02:02] it works well. [02:03] if you are not on 11.04, look in multimedia for brasero, use it to burn [02:03] Isnt there a way to do it by just adding the files and selecting "burn to disk" somewhere? [02:03] don't think so [02:05] I added a file to a blank disk by just "copying" it the blank disk however when I eject the cd it says I have a file waiting to be written. But I have no one to write it to the disk that I can see. [02:08] I think I will just use Xfburn instead. [02:11] hi there [02:11] i m getting an error: Error opening terminal: unknown. while accessing a file via nano using sudo nano default [02:11] what could be wrong [02:13] ok dont bother, i got the solution... thanks anywy :) [02:21] is there a log that logs like system updates, upgrades, etc.. so you can see what you have upgraded/updated? [02:23] Only one I can think of off hand: cat /var/log/dpkg.log [02:26] thats a biggun.. [02:26] lol, thanks [02:28] Usage of grep will help there [02:29] true... [02:40] someone know how to set a login screen image?.. like ubuntu [02:47] Josesordo: i'm not 100% sure, but i imagine if you can find the "default" image.. you could put your own image in its place (just rename your image to whatever the name of that image is) [03:00] KM0201, where is that image in xubuntu 11.04?.. xD [03:00] Josesordo: now that, i have no idea. [03:00] KM0201, haha.. ok =/ [03:01] i'm just telling you how you could logically go about it. [03:04] Josesordo: i know its possible.. unfortunatelyl i nuked xubuntu in favor of lubuntu a few days ago [03:04] you using lubuntu now? o_O [03:05] yep.. :) [03:05] Josesordo: this says to use ubuntu tweak... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1726733 [03:05] i'm not sure i'd go that far. [03:05] but.. it is an option [03:06] mm.. will ubuntu tweak works on xubuntu?.. [03:07] Josesordo: They both use GDM for login [03:17] Josesordo: i would think it does, but i would consider tweak a very last option [03:25] well, I just installed ubuntu tweak in xubuntu.. xD.. [03:25] lets see [03:26] that login screen must be really important to you [03:26] lol [03:40] lol [03:41] Josesordo: Did it work? If not, this is what I found: http://paste.ubuntu.com/602588/ [03:42] well, is a image that inspire me when I login... this one --> http://bit.ly/kZYBpu [03:42] well, ubuntu tweak run in Xubuntu 11.04 without problem..and I could change my image! :D [03:46] false alarm.. image failed.. lol [03:50] what are the commands to change a permission of a file?.. chmod? [03:51] chmod {options} file [03:52] well, what are the options?.. the one with the read and write privilege .. [03:59] rwrwrw = User rw, group rw, other rw === zenrox_ is now known as zenrox [05:30] having small problem with 11.04 and my thinkpad x41 [05:31] stalling in screen saver [05:32] after resumeing?? [05:33] you could change it to a blank screen only [05:33] is xubuntu come with compiz by default sense 10.10 [05:33] could be hanging on the 3d screensavers [05:35] 11.04 compizwiz is installed [05:35] dont know about 10.10 [05:35] 10.10 didnt have compiz [05:36] but 11.04 has it for shure [05:37] is it depended on anything can i remove it [05:37] use synaptic to find that out it will tell you [05:38] is there a command i can use to see if its even running [05:40] ok it gone ill reboot see if it helped [05:47] well if it does it stall in the night ill post i didn't work if it did ill launchpad i915 get ride of compiz [05:58] does compiz run well under Xubuntu/xfce? [06:01] yep [06:04] yep [06:04] i am running it with my nvidia 8200m [06:10] hmm [06:11] i didn't think compiz worked w/ xfce [06:14] why? [06:14] O: [06:15] its running or at some of the effects like shadows are working [06:16] thare is even an option to turn it on or off [06:16] ant thare [06:16] yep [06:19] you dont have major configing of it under xfce but you can d/l the controle panel for it and config the heack out of it [06:31] good to know that it works [06:31] thanks [06:32] n/p [06:33] Even if Xubuntu moves to GTK 3.x, that doesn't mean the XFCE shell is changing any right? No unity coming to XFCE? [06:34] ..or I suppose I should say Unity replacing the current XFCE shell [06:35] if xfce moves to gtk3 i dont think xfce devs will change there shell that shell is the apeal [06:35] I hope not [06:36] so i dont think thay will do a unity style crap [06:36] it's the whole reason I left Ubuntu proper [06:36] i left gnome long time ago [06:36] Xubuntu was my back door out of Unityville [06:36] I like the gnome shell [06:36] and I like a lot of the gnome based apps [06:37] the 2.x shell, that is. [06:37] it was big an bloated ( it seemed like it) like it was going the way of kde but xfce was lighter and allowed be to squeeze a few extra hp out of my cpu for games and high entansty app [06:38] I just didn't want to hope onto the Xubuntu train only to find that the Unity disease has spread to it [06:38] it wont spreed [06:38] well a lot of the GTK libraries reside in Xubuntu [06:38] in fact all of them I think.. [06:38] xfce dev devloped this shell to be lighter and have it own unique look [06:39] thay do [06:39] just the 2.x gnome enterface was slower [06:39] ya .. but to see Gnome & Canonical both go the way of the "supersized smartphone for the desktop interface" makes me nervous about other shell devs [06:39] xfce wont do that [06:40] specaly since a lote of gnome/unity users a jumping ship to xfce [06:40] night all must get sleep [06:40] nite [06:51] later zenrox [07:06] when i log out of the desktop, the mouse cursor on the login screen is no longer visible [07:06] the mouse actually still works, i just can't see the pointer [07:06] so i'm thinking maybe to change the gdm theme would help [07:07] but i can't see how to do that either [07:08] so how do i change the gdm theme? [07:09] or does everybody in here just like blue? ;-) [07:10] oh dear it looks like all xubuntu users have died of a bug overdose [07:24] hi [07:24] hola... [07:24] hay alguien por acá?? [07:24] que me pueda ayudar?? [07:26] !es | duende [07:26] duende: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #ubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. [07:27] tank you Unit193 [07:30] will compiz work with xubuntu 11.04? [07:32] and anyone have any suggestions on getting internal & external mics configured in xubuntu 11.04? i've tryed just all the settings i can think of === l4ng1t is now known as l4ng1t|AFK [07:43] hi [07:44] hi [07:45] i have a problem whit video in xubuntu [07:47] duende- im just a user & dont know about video but hopefully someone will be here shortly that can help you [08:09] hi === l4ng1t|AFK is now known as l4ng1t [09:00] Hey, anyone here that might be able to help me grasp exactly how to use the xubuntu installer, specifically the part where it asks if you want to install alongside windows, replace windows or other? [09:02] could you be a bit more exact? [09:02] Yeah one sec. [09:03] So the first time I tried the installer I just chose install alongside windows, that is exactly what I wanted, was allowed to choose the size to allocate for both OSes and the install carried on from there, except that my USB stick had problems mentioned in one of the forum threads [09:04] So the install failed. Not an issue though, new stick, new try and off I go, however, now when I try I do not get a choice at how much to allocate which worries me, I don't understand why it would give me different behavior the second time. [09:05] I'm generally uneasy with installers doing there own thing without at least telling me what they're going to do, so I stopped the installer as soon as it didn't let me choose a disk and saw that it was now using an empty hard drive on my system. [09:05] i guess it uses the old space if installer crashed later [09:06] you could try "Something else" [09:06] That's possible, I did use gparted to give the space all back to the windows partition but I suppose there's a way it could see. [09:08] manual partitioning isn'n very hard, you need 10GB or bigger for " / " and swap and if you want, separate partition for /home [09:08] That makes clear my other problem, I'm pretty much a beginner so I'm not sure exactly how much space to give the partitions. I've found lots of examples but they're all with much smaller hard drives. [09:09] Does the boot need to be labeled as a primary? If so I was thinking something like 12GB for "/", 10GB for "swap" and the rest for "home", on a 500GB HD all to itself would that be a good idea or should I up the root partition more? [09:11] 12GB is good if you don't install very much very big software, swap don't really need to be bigger than about your RAM [09:11] primary partitions are nice but you can only have four [09:16] if you have logival partitions inside extended partition, you can't later change their size outside extended partition [09:16] Is it actually necessary using the installer to have a separate root and home partition? Truthfully, if I'm going to give this whole drive to Xubuntu I'd rather not have to worry about partitions on it. [09:17] well, with separate /home you can reinstall with little worries [09:18] It was only when I was planning to install alongside Windows 7 on the same drive that I was worried about the space, but now that I wiped the other drive if I can go that route I'd prefer it, I just can't choose install alongside Windows and then choose which HD to install to. [09:18] Ahh [09:18] and that 12GB should be quite plenty, mine is about half of that [09:18] (but i'm not doing things where you need more, like version upgrades) [09:19] I see, my problem stems from the ignorance of not knowing where things actually install and go in linux, sounds like Home can be smaller while Root should be the partition I make bigger [09:20] Or is that backwards, lol [09:22] all programs are in root, all your data in home [09:24] Ok, that makes perfect sense, thanks, I think I got enough to go the something else route now. [09:29] Yep, satisfied the installer so I'm good to go thanks. I ended up foregoing separate home and root partitions for this install because I don't have any clue exactly how much space I'd use for either so since I have the time I figure I'll just get it up and running, install everything and see round abouts how much space everything takes and then wipe it and start over with a better plan. [09:36] And it's already almost done, that's fast. Thanks again for the help! [09:40] somebody willing to use compiz with xfce? somebody should try compiz plugin to get window decorations, apparently unity isn't using any separate app for it [09:56] is it possible to change the login screen wallpaper in natty? [10:01] but the default is great :P (i never see it) [10:04] hello people :) [10:06] [natty] could someone point me, where should I manually add the xfce4-panel to start on the startup without all the error messages? [I upgraded from the maverick] [10:07] saving of the session wasn't enough, inserting it to the startup programs as well [it runs, but error messages [or warnings?] pop before it starts [11:12] hi [11:45] is there a way to get __pseudo__ transparency in xfce-terminal? [12:05] I solved it - by clearing ~/.cache/sessions and restarting without "save current session" [14:05] bazhang bruder ola! [14:06] Ola Pici bruder && ikonia bruder [14:48] Allah accompany you on your way jarnos brother! [14:53] Allah accompany you on your way hobbsc brother! [14:54] i suspect a spambot, but thanks [14:54] :D [15:20] hi, in 11.04 (updated) the "Places" menu fails to mount/umount the remobable devices because it misses exo-mount/exo-mount. where are those supposed to come from? [15:23] shouldn't be a places menu in 11.04 [15:23] the plugin was not included, since it is not compatible [15:23] oh [15:24] so I have to remove manually the xfce4-places-plugin 1.2.0-1ubuntu1 I have? [15:25] no, but I can't tell you how to fix it either. [15:25] ic [15:27] Removable devices should be getting mounted from gvfs, I think [15:27] * mnemoc hates auto-mounting [15:30] i do get stuff mounted, yes. and then I have to start umounting them all to be able to work :-/ [15:31] Maybe they would know more in #xfce on freenode? [15:31] I haven't heard of a way to not mount them on startup, though [15:32] in 10.10 it not that annoying using the places menu [15:33] but without that functionality it's a real pain in the .. [15:33] i'll go an ask at #xfce, thanks :) [15:35] My computer freezes randomly in the middle of the night, usually on the screensaver and I have to hardboot it. Sometimes the fan is working overtime, and sometimes not [15:37] bin_bash: Mine freezes on the gl screensavers, but works fine on the others. Haven't found the cause, though [15:37] hmmm really. [15:37] okay. [15:38] charlie-tca: it doesn't happen all the time [15:38] like, if I start the screensaver myself it's ok [15:38] oh, mine is very consistent [15:39] yeah it seems like when I start it myself [15:39] it doesn't freeze [15:40] Also, since it's happening when I'm asleep, I have no idea what could be triggering the freeze. It could be the screensaver or it could be something else. [15:41] anything in ~/.xsession-errors ? [15:41] If you had to reboot, might be in ~/.xsession-errors.old [15:41] ok [15:41] is that in /var/ [15:42] no, ~/ is /home/USER [15:42] oh I didn't see ~/ [15:42] >just woke up and not wearing glasses [15:42] sorry [15:44] this is the last error [15:44] (xfce4-indicator-plugin:1249): Indicator-Messages-DEBUG: Resizing icon from 48x48 to 16x16 [15:44] listed about 20 times [15:45] is there anything for xscreensaver? [15:46] no [15:48] That makes it a lot harder [15:48] yeah [15:48] =/ [15:49] should i look at my logs? and if so, which ones? [15:49] Maybe if there is someting in the /var/log/xorg.log or /var/log/xorg.log.0 [15:50] If it is screensaver or video related, it should be in there [15:51] this is the last line [15:51] [ 160.939] (EE) intel(0): [DRI2] DRI2SwapComplete: bad drawable [15:52] aha [15:52] May 1 06:53:36 Jack kernel: [159421.582994] EXT4-fs (sda4): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0 [15:52] May 1 06:53:28 Jack kernel: [159413.134794] EXT4-fs (sda4): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=600 [15:53] And as far as timestamps say, that's right around the time it froze [15:53] I think that is the screensaver failing for some reason, isn't it? [15:53] it looks like an ext4 probably [15:53] problem [15:54] ouch [15:54] run a manual fsck on the drive? [15:54] and if it still happenb [15:54] and if it still happens, report a bug against linux, using ubuntu-bug linux [15:55] fsck is back in the recovery menu, too [15:55] ok so sda4 is this partition [15:55] awesome [15:55] it looks like there's some kind of mount problem [15:57] how do i run an fsck [15:57] grub menu by hitting any key after bios checks, [15:58] recovery or rescue mode, another menu comes up with run fsck in it [15:58] so reboot into recovery mode? [15:58] yes [15:58] You can not fsck an active partition [15:59] ok [15:59] so at the grub menu i'd choose "ubuntu recovery mode" [15:59] and then what [16:00] yeah, and hit enter, another menu will come up in a minute or so, choose fsck from that menu [16:00] ok [16:00] brb [16:00] when it is done, it will come back to the menu, choose the top one, and reboot from the prompt [16:00] ok [16:08] If you want to use Emerald once again, on 11.04 there are several solutions available on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emerald/+bug/726229 [16:08] Ubuntu bug 726229 in emerald (Ubuntu) "emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in decor_quads_to_property()" [High,Triaged] [16:11] thx, charlie-tca for your effort related to bug regarding emerald :* [16:12] no problem [16:13] glad it got us a way to use it, at least. Now if I can just get the fix into the thing... :-) [16:15] okay [16:15] now i'm having a problem with xfce [16:16] workspaces don't work [16:16] and when i open certain things the menu bar doesn't show and i goes all the way to the top of the screen [16:17] will Alt+F2 work? [16:17] yeah [16:17] alt+F2, xfwm4 [16:17] thanks [16:17] how weird [16:17] yup [16:17] jep, popup menu of panel - Places always goes on top of the screen [16:17] charlie-tca: so I ran the fsck [16:17] now what [16:18] Now we wait to see if it happens again [16:18] ok [16:18] what exactly does fsck do? [16:18] fixes things that were not in the right place on the drive [16:18] ah ok [16:20] Something else weird [16:20] idk if you can help [16:20] when i restart the computer [16:20] conky loads, but it shows the old wallpaper [16:20] behind conky [16:20] but the rest is the new wallpaper [16:20] and like, when i login [16:20] it shows the splash screen [16:20] I can't fix conky, I have it working on one computer, but not the other one [16:21] and then loads the panel [16:21] That appears to be over my head [16:21] and then shows the splash screen again [16:21] Maybe the panels are auto restarting, for some reason [16:21] Hi, [16:21] hmm maybe [16:22] SOS, i have swap beetwen ubuntu to xubuntu but now i have lost the user list in gdm! [16:22] Can you help me? [16:26] sorry [16:54] Howdy! [16:55] hi [16:57] How to remove a little triangle in right down corner of xfce4-terminal? :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5624413/Terminal_014.png [16:58] It's not a big problem :) [16:58] But [16:58] That's a GTK resize grip. It is not removable [17:00] make scrollbar visile so it doesn't look that bad :P [17:00] =) [17:01] abra: But you can somewhat change the "look" of it by changing the Style in Appearences [17:07] thanks [17:07] it helps [17:36] can anyone help me get my mic working in xubuntu 11.04? it was working in 10.10---is there a way to take out alsa and put in pulse [17:36] you propably have pulseaudio already, install pavycontrol to set it up [17:37] thnkx Sysi [17:37] *pavucontrol === geek is now known as Guest2674 [17:51] Sysi just jumping back to let you know that worked--thank you [17:51] np [17:55] i have another question --when i click on the home folder launcher it list under each folder the option to open in terminal--is there a way to remove this feature [19:26] Hey everyone ... Im looking for a file extension that will allow someone to double click a downloaded .sh file and run it rather then execute it from command line. Does such a file extension exist in xubuntu? [19:26] im sure a desktop kind shortcut shoudl do it [19:28] It doesn't ... It default opens in mousepad. The reason I am looking for a new file extension is for ease of use on the users side of things. I don't want to have them manually have to switch the executable program [19:30] i dont know, have you seen how people at emesene does stuff, you download and double clic [19:30] analyst_: Is the .sh file marked as executable? [19:32] The problem is that people will be downloading it from the internet and it doesnt retain its executable status because of umask [19:35] Ah, you didn't say that. That's a "horse of a different color".... [19:40] analyst_, https://github.com/emesene/emesene/tarball/v2.11.4 [19:40] download that and see how they do it [19:41] thx, checking now [19:46] analyst_, you see inside the tar there is a folder and there are 3 folders, in the one there is a folder called emsene, whit a python file that executes the whole program at double clic [19:50] How do I tell Ubuntu (apt-get) to use packages stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/? [19:50] Thanks for the input ... We may try that approach ... It still requires the user to take additional steps but its a little easier then the current process [19:51] Hazuki: it does so by default [19:52] could've fooled me. I have all of xubuntu-desktop's packages sitting in there and it still insists on downloading [19:52] ...oh. derp. They're x64 and this is an x32 machine [19:52] Hazuki: it probably wants newer versions [19:52] Hazuki: you can tell it what version to install [19:53] * Hazuki puts her dunce cap on and sits in the corner <|X( [19:53] Hazuki: what are you trying to do? [19:53] rolling out Xubuntu 11.04 for my office [19:53] Unity has just...utterly broken any last shreds of respect I had for Ubuntu proper [19:54] * Hazuki would use a Gentoo master fanout server if she had her druthers, but noooooo~ [19:56] have one of you also that the multimediaplayer shows a moment that he makes a usb-connection and then its lost en he begins charging te battery. I cant read/write files becouse he is not mounted. Someone knows how to solve this? [19:56] * drc advises Hazuki of the old saying "Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutan" [19:57] "'ware, Emperor, Death salutes you?" [19:58] * drc thinks it's applicable when Management overrules IT [19:58] * Hazuki is the entire IT staff @_@ [19:58] Hail Caesar, We who are about to die salute you. [19:59] Hehe ^^ Well, I don't know much Latin...so yeah [20:02] how to import music into gmusic? [20:14] bin_bash: I don't use it so I don't know, but if you don't get an answer here, there is #gmusicbrowser, and the dev usually hangs out there (and he's actually helpful). [20:16] i got it [20:16] thanks [20:22] Hello! I just installed Xubuntu 11.04 for the first time but I'm having some problems. First of all, my session is saved every time (even though /xfce4-session/general/SaveOnExit is FALSE). Do I need to change something more? [20:25] pophok: I know if I leave some things running at close (like pidgin, rhythembox, etc) they show up on the thext start. You might want to look at Menu>Settings>Settings Manager>Session and Startup> Session. [20:27] drc: i had that problem to.. when the app is running, to to startup session, applications.. find the app, right click and choose "never" [20:33] man this install is crawling [20:33] lol [20:33] KM0201: No more ldxe? What now? [20:34] drc: oh no, using lxde [20:34] following some instructions to use the minimal ISO in virtualbox [20:34] i just wanted to try it [20:34] no real rhyme or reason [20:34] ah...typical KM0201 ;) [20:34] :) [20:35] drc: well, the other thing, soemone said it "failed".. and i just wanna see the problem. [20:40] drc: None of (my) programs are set up autostart except Docky. There's also only Docky and xfce4-settings-helper-autostart in ~/.config/autostart. I just tried what the xfce faq said (delete files from ~/.cache/sessions) and it did not work either. Something strange also just happened: the background disappeared and it's now brown and cannot be changed. :( [20:40] oh snap! [20:41] Alt+F2, xfwm4 [20:55] hi [20:56] anyone else get windows tearing with 11.04? [20:57] playing video? [20:57] Just on scrolling on firefox and dragging windows [21:01] philippe_, do you have updated video drivers? [21:01] >sudo jockey-gtk [21:03] I am using the radeon driver that came with 11.04 [21:07] Can I get xubuntu no effects with 11.04? [21:08] turn off compositing in settings -> window Manager Tweaks [21:11] Hmm Doesnt seem to help [21:11] Would uninstalling compiz help? [21:12] probably, since compiz adds it's own effects [21:13] Ok I try that [21:13]