[00:00] Good morning [00:02] james-w: Could you look into this for us. It's gonna make it damn hard for the Studio team to hit the ground running for Oneiric. :) I'm unsure why this was done in the first place. I might not be around when you are so I'll have ScottL (current Studio lead) catch up with you. [00:04] Darn. Did the name wrong. james_w` ^^^ [00:06] lifeless: Thanx to the help. I'll get it sorted. === medberry is now known as med_out === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [07:36] morning all === jam2 is now known as jam [07:38] jelmer: :( I didn't fix the build after all [07:38] jelmer: (subunit dailies) [07:44] hi all ! [07:44] jam, jelmer, spiv: stand up ? [07:44] vila: in 1 hour [07:44] I would guess jelmer isn't awake yet, but I could be wrong [07:45] 8:00 UTC ? [07:45] spiv: is that ok for you ? [07:45] vila: that is what the schedule says [07:45] * vila nods [07:45] I'm usually not on until 7:00, but I'm here now [07:46] doesn't mean we can't adjust ;) [07:46] So today I'm fine moving it [08:05] vila, jam: if jelmer's around, now suits me [08:05] * vila acks [08:05] same here, but I think jelmer is still sleeping [08:05] Otherwise I'll head afk for a bit and be back for the standup [08:05] is poolie gone today, then? [08:05] yup [08:07] vila: pm? [08:07] Peng: sure [08:15] I'm having some trouble installing bazaar on my computer, anyone available to help me out? [08:17] Kaleetos: OS/bzr versions ? [08:18] i'm on mac os 10.5-- bazaar 2.3.1. It installs but when I try to run the bzr it tries to execute from a version of python I don't have anymore (2.5) [08:18] vila, jam: see you in 40 minutes or so. [08:18] spiv: ack [08:18] is there a way for me to have bazaar execute from 2.6 [08:18] Kaleetos: you deleted the OSX provided python ? [08:19] as per the instructions on python.org, yes [08:19] Kaleetos: hmm, interesting, do you an URL for that ? [08:19] s/you/you have/ [08:19] this was a long while ago when i was having problems with programs defaulting to the 2.5 [08:20] http://docs.python.org/using/mac.html [08:20] section 4.1 [08:20] the second bullet point [08:20] Kaleetos: yup, reading [08:22] so, I wasn't aware of that but it's interesting, see bug #776523 for a related issue (a bit reversed to yours but your experience may help decide on how to fix it) [08:22] Launchpad bug 776523 in Bazaar Mac Installers "launchpadlib tests requires python 2.6" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776523 [08:22] Kaleetos: now, what is the precise issue you're having ? [08:23] i.e. what does 'bzr version' says ? [08:23] vila-- if its necessary I can put that version of python right back where it was (i stored backups), it just causes headaches when running certain programs [08:23] whenever i run bzr anything it says this: -bash: /usr/local/bin/bzr: /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [08:24] ok, and what does the first line in /usr/local/bin/bzr says ? [08:25] -bash: usr/local/bin/bzr: No such file or directory [08:25] Kaleetos: the first line *in* the script [08:25] i'm sorry-- i have no idea what that means =( [08:26] what script? [08:26] Kaleetos: 'head /usr/local/bin/bzr' will display the first few lines in the script [08:27] # Copyright (C) 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 Canonical Ltd [08:27] that? [08:27] just a sec, searching for a 10.5 mac [08:28] no, not that, a line starting with #! [08:28] #!/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/Resources/Python.app/Contents/MacOS/Python [08:29] yup, that one [08:29] this instructs OSX to use the python located at that path [08:29] ahh. so just change that path and thats it? [08:30] that would be a first try but there could be fallouts [08:30] well before i do that [08:30] I'm going to put that backup of 2.5 back in place to see what happens [08:32] would it matter much if I was running bazaar on the older version of python? [08:32] if you put your backup back in place, everything should be fine [08:32] Kaleetos: quite the contrary, the installer is build against the system provided version [08:32] built [08:33] oh ok [08:33] Kaleetos: out of curiosity, do you plan to upgrade your mac to 10.6 or 10.7 ? [08:34] when money permits [08:34] i would love to now, but I don't have the money and I'd rather not deal with upgrading this old guy [08:34] I want to get a new mac [08:34] which model is it ? [08:34] macbook pro [08:35] ok so now I'm getting this message [08:35] should I paste it right in here or do you guys have a pasting page? [08:36] !paste [08:36] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:36] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603135/ [08:39] Kaleetos: the installer should have installed bzrlib in /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib [08:39] hm... i'll reinstall [08:39] Kaleetos: either it's not there anymore or some other setting (PYTHONPATH ?) is borked [08:40] re-installing is the safest route [08:40] nope, same deal [08:40] do you have /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib ? [08:44] hmm no. and according to my backups I haven't had a Library/Python since October(before I started using python) [08:45] I don't even see a library/python directory now [08:45] weird [08:46] are you sure you'looking at /Library not /Users/xxx/Library ? [08:46] maybe the backups don't save that particular directory? [08:46] ! [08:46] sorry, [08:46] yup all there [08:47] including the bzrlib [08:48] ha, better [08:48] should I manually add that directory into the PYTHONPATH? [08:48] you shouldn't have to [08:49] try: python -v /usr/local/bin/bzr [08:50] same error [08:51] pastebin output ? [08:52] !paste [08:52] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603140/ [08:53] you're using 2.6 [08:53] yes [08:54] is it seraching in 2.6 now? [08:54] lol [08:54] but /usr/local/bin/bzr points to 2.5 so using this script should do the right thing, try python2.5 -v /usr/... [08:56] python2.5 -v /usr/... [08:56] oops hold on [08:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603141/ [08:57] use the full path to the bzr script, I was lazy ;) [08:57] OH [08:57] hahaha [08:57] :) [08:59] this directory right? /usr/local/bin/bzr/ [08:59] this file /usr/local/bin/bzr [08:59] no trailing / [09:00] yea just figrued that out heh. ok so it did a bunch of stuff, should i paste that? [09:00] * jelmer waves [09:00] if it doesn't end with the list of basic bzr commands, yes, paste the output [09:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603143/ [09:02] * vila scratches head [09:03] Kaleetos: python2.5 -c 'import sys; print sys.path' [09:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603144/ [09:05] Kaleetos: otp, be back later [09:05] ok [09:06] vila: can you hear me? [09:06] jelmer: yes, but you don't seem to hear me ;) [09:07] vila when you get back here is a copy of my bash_profile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603145/ [09:07] incase maybe something is wrong in there === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:18] vila: http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/67061a280d79e806c089681dd8b4a524.html [09:34] jam, vila: did somebody say they were going to review spiv's branch? [09:35] jelmer: the one he just put up? I already reviewed it [09:35] was there another one? [09:35] jam: Yeah, the parents provider smart request one. [09:36] I looked at it [09:36] vila: Many thanks for the tip (about wt.has_changes().) It seems to shave about .1 second off the script running time (.5 seconds to .4). Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to check for unknowns. Is there a similar method to check if the tree has unknowns? (I can't seem to find one.) [09:36] jam: I haven't seen your reply yet, I guess Launchpad is still in read only mode [09:39] chriscauser: glad you see my message, you were gone when I posted it [09:39] chriscauser: as for unknowns, let me check [09:39] vila: Yeah, I went back and checked just now in case I'd missed anything [09:42] question. If I write a python script containing this : print os.environ['PYTHONPATH'].split(os.pathsep) ---(after importing os)--- and run it through terminal, shouldn't I get back the PYTHONPATH? [09:43] chriscauser: if wt.unknowns() should do [09:44] Kaleetos: yes, but better use sys.path which will already include PYTHONPATH [09:44] vila: Thanks. That was what I was originally using. The only problem with that is that it doesn't shortcircuit (i.e. It finds all unknowns, even though it returns an iterator) [09:44] hm.. when I do exactly that, i'm getting a key error [09:45] Kaleetos: exactly what ? The snippet above ? [09:45] i created a script called test.py containing what I wrote above [09:45] then i run it through terminal and i get a key error [09:46] if i run it through textmate's built in terminal i get a PYTHONPATH referring to the textmate installation [09:46] but directly through terminal gives the key error [09:47] Kaleetos: What happens when you type in 'export PYTHONPATH="/imaginary:/second_imaginary"'' before running from the terminal? [09:48] echo $PYTHONPATH ? [09:48] python -c 'import os; print "\n".join(os.environ["PYTHONPATH"].split(os.pathsep))' works fine here [09:48] or python2.5 -c 'import os; print "\n".join(os.environ["PYTHONPATH"].split(os.pathsep))' works fine here [09:48] in your case [09:49] the echo thing just shoots back a question mark [09:49] chris, should I copy and paste that exactly? [09:50] Kaleetos: Everything in the double quotes exactly [09:50] Kaleetos: python2.5 -c 'import sys; print "\n".join(sys.path)' [09:50] and vila [09:50] i get the same key error [09:50] the last thing u gave me worked [09:50] Kaleetos: * single quotes [09:50] Kaleetos: then PYTHONPATH is not in your environment, 'env' will tell you what is defined [09:52] chris, I get the same keyerror [09:53] Kaleetos: because PYTHONPATH is not in your env, try the 'env' command in a terminal without the single quotes [09:53] !paste [09:53] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [09:54] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603163/ [09:54] Kaleetos: right, no PYTHONPATH there [09:54] is that the problem? [09:54] python2.5 -c 'import sys; print "\n".join(sys.path)' [09:55] Kaleetos: you shouldn't have to modify PYTHONPATH, /Libray/blah blah should already be added automatically by python, if it's not, something weird is going on [09:56] perhaps i broke something at some point? [09:56] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603165/ [09:57] ls -l /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages [09:58] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603167/ [10:03] can you re-paste the output of: python2.5 -c 'import sys; print "\n".join(sys.path)' [10:03] meh, nm [10:04] Kaleetos: the weird thing here is that you have site-packages directories below /System instead of /Library [10:04] what would happen if i tried installing the osx10.6 bazaar in my 10.5 (because 10.6 bazaar installs to python 2.6). would that create all sorts of disaster? [10:05] vila: I've pushed your suggestion to lp. Thank you so much for the help. I hope the script will be of use to other people. [10:06] Kaleetos: that's would be a useful experiment, it may well work [10:07] or what about installing the version intended for osx 10.4 (designed specifically for python 2.6 downloaded directly from python.org) [10:07] Kaleetos: try un-installing the 10.5 version first if only to limit the clutter [10:07] ok [10:07] Kaleetos: there two things here, python install and bzr install [10:08] Kaleetos: AFAIK, the bzr installers assume that you're using the system installed python but I don't think they check [10:08] the OS is not relevant? [10:08] well, the OS is indirectly relevant [10:08] AFAIK it's python version that matters [10:09] ok, i'll try to install the one for 10.6 [10:11] the uninstaller doesn't work for me =/ [10:11] any other options? [10:15] Kaleetos: :-/ [10:15] ... [10:15] ok so 10.6's installed [10:15] and same thing [10:16] for which value of same ? ;D [10:16] same != good [10:16] right, that leave many possible causes opened :) [10:17] i've been trying to get this to work for so long [10:17] I'm starting to suspect that the OSX python and the python.org python may have different ideas about how sys.path is built... [10:17] Kaleetos: *what* is failing with the 10.6 one ? [10:18] Kaleetos: keep in mind that we have many users on both 10.5 and 10.6 with working setups so I'm trying to help you find what is different in *your* setup and how the installers can be fixed... [10:18] i get the same "please check the directory containing bzrlib is in your PYTHONPATH" [10:19] then paste the sys.path output for 2.6 [10:19] jelmer: hi [10:19] jelmer: what do you think is the right way to fix the subunit recipe [10:19] i understand, i'm just worried maybe i broke something when i first installed python 2.6 [10:20] !paste [10:20] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [10:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603180/ [10:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603182/ [10:22] sorry, second one is easier to read [10:24] ls -l /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/site-packages [10:24] and [10:25] ls -l /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages [10:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603184/ [10:26] Kaleetos: ls -l /Library/Python/2.6/site-packages [10:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603185/ [10:28] here we are :) [10:29] ok, so indeed, sys.path is built differently [10:29] which explain both failures [10:29] so, PYTHONPATH is indeed the way to fix that [10:30] i hope you know how to do that too, because I sure don't :) [10:31] so, let's start with what is installed currently: [10:31] head /usr/local/bin/bzr [10:31] #!/usr/bin/python [10:31] arf :) [10:31] python -V [10:31] err [10:31] /usr/bin/python -V [10:32] Python 2.6.6 [10:32] so [10:32] to the second [10:32] Python 2.5.1 [10:32] ha [10:33] err, that's weird but let's see if we can deal with that: [10:33] PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages bzr version [10:34] it paused for a second and then printed out some text from bazaar [10:34] rhaaaa no [10:34] err, yes [10:35] good that text should mention bzrlib: a_path_here [10:35] a_path_here should be /Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib [10:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603186/ [10:36] Kaleetos: pfew, here we are [10:36] so, the "funny" thing is that you're using the bzr script installed for 10.6 but still using the bzrlib installed for 10.5 [10:37] since the script is the same except for the #! line, it doesn't really matter [10:37] well that would have only occurred just now when I installed the 10.6 version right? [10:37] yes [10:38] now you need to set the proper PYTHONPATH which is tricky since you still want to use 2.6 for other reasons, so let's try something else: [10:39] first, change the first line in the bzr script by adding '2.6': /usr/bin/python2.6 then try [10:39] PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages bzr version [10:39] wait.. how do i change the bzr script? [10:39] with a text editor [10:40] which one do you use usually ? [10:40] textmate [10:40] ha, you may need admin access [10:40] vila, Kaleetos: Sorry to butt in, but perhaps a bash alias could help here? (eg. "alias bzr='PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages /usr/local/bin/bzr") [10:40] do you know how to launch textmate as an admin ? [10:41] chriscauser: worth a try [10:41] no i don't [10:41] Sorry guys, I'm messing up my quotes here [10:41] alias bzr ='PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages python2.6 /usr/local/bin/bzr [10:41] should i paste that then? [10:41] alias bzr ='PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages python2.6 /usr/local/bin/bzr' [10:42] Kaleetos: startup a fresh terminal so we better control where the alias is defined [10:42] it says not found [10:42] *"alias bzr='PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages /usr/local/bin/bzr'" [10:42] double or single quotes [10:43] chriscauser: nope, we want the 2.6 version so specifying python2.6 ignores the #! line [10:43] Everything in the double quotes [10:43] vila: Sorry. I was just trying to correct my quoting rather than anything else [10:43] chriscauser: np :) [10:43] Kaleetos: Do what vila says only remove the space between bzr and = [10:44] argh, good catch ;) [10:44] should it be 2.5 or 2.6? [10:44] alias bzr='PYTHONPATH=/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages python2.6 /usr/local/bin/bzr' [10:45] can i just say [10:45] that i love both you [10:45] ITS WORKING FINALLY [10:45] !!!! [10:45] almost [10:45] ... [10:45] joy kill [10:45] lol [10:45] now you need to record that alias to avoid typing it every time you want to use it [10:46] how do i do that? [10:47] by record are you talking some special command I don't know about, or just copy and paste it into a text file for future reference [10:48] ha, good question, I can never remember which file is right for that on OSX to cover all cases [10:48] Kaleetos: I mean adding it to a file that all shells will read so you don't have to type it again [10:49] it's one of .profile, .bashrc or .bash_profile [10:49] Kaleetos: to you have one of those in your home directory ? [10:49] i have the bash_profile [10:50] its open in the terminal for editing now [10:50] then just add that alias command there [10:50] save the file and start a new terminal [10:51] it worked [10:51] pfew [10:51] Kaleetos: *now* you can rejoice ;) [10:51] thank you so much for your patience, and thank you chris for that solution [10:52] i'm rejoicing by downloading what i've been trying to get for all these hours lol [10:52] Kaleetos: it would help if you could file a bug explaining your issue, setup and workaround [10:52] https://launchpad.net/bzr-mac-installers/+filebug [10:53] sure I'll do that. Although I'm not sure if it was a bug, my removing the built in insallation of macpython and then putting it back might have broken something. So maybe it was a one time issue [10:53] Kaleetos: the root issue is that the installers don't play well with pythons installed on top of the system one but there should be a way to address that without forcing the users to define an alias [10:54] Kaleetos: I'm afraid your setup is a bit unclean by now and sorting that out may be tricky [10:54] Kaleetos: keep an open eye about weird behaviors still, read your ~/.bzr.log if in doubt for further clues [10:55] ok [10:56] well one thing i wanted to ask actually [10:56] when i installed the 10.6 version, the action was set to "update" [10:56] I'm guessing that would have over written a significant amount if not all of the previous installation? [10:58] Kaleetos: hmm, if you still have /Library/Python/2.5/bzrlib (and I think you do), then file *another* bug for that [10:59] yup i do [10:59] so i should write a bug stating that the update did not remove the previous install [10:59] yup [11:00] if only because you asked here ;) [11:00] i have 3 different copies of bzr lib in here now 0.0 [11:00] 3 ? [11:00] where ? [11:01] "/Library/Python/2.6/site-packages/bzrlib" [11:01] "/Library/Python/2.5/site-packages/bzrlib" [11:02] that's the two I was expecting :) [11:02] where is the third ? [11:02] oh no, one of them was being repeated in my file search for some reason [11:03] i just closed the finder window and tried again [11:03] its only 2 [11:03] pfew [11:03] I prefer that ;) [11:03] should i leave the copies alone or can i delete one(whichever one not being used preferably lol) [11:04] another way to address the problem could to create a symlink in /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/site-packages [11:05] to tell the python.org python about the bzrlib installed by the OSX 10.6 installer [11:05] the alias won't be needed then and this may be more robust than the alias [11:06] Kaleetos: you could probably delete the 2.5 one [11:09] hmm i just noticed [11:09] bzr: warning: some compiled extensions could not be loaded; see [11:09] i'm getting that warning when i load bzr [11:09] that's bad [11:10] anything I can do about that? [11:11] bzr version [11:11] again ? [11:12] the extensions are .so files in the bzrlib directory [11:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603203/ [11:13] they enhance the performances but we provide python fallbacks so it's a problem only if you're dealing with big projects [11:13] I see the .so files, are they supposed to be associated with WINE? [11:14] they're all whine bottles [11:14] noo, they are regular .so OSX files [11:14] well whine has decided to take over the show for me [11:14] lol [11:14] Kaleetos: any more details in ~/.bzr.log (~ is a shorcut for /Users/Carlitos [11:14] lifeless: sorry, missed that earlier - looking at the recipe now [11:15] i get permission denied without sudo [11:15] and command not found with sudo [11:15] lifeless: the previous packaging branch probably patched debian/rules to always run the autotools chain [11:18] jam: an idea that just occurred to me for "bzr branch --stacked" [11:18] ? [11:18] jam: BzrDir.sprout, which would do the fetch, also knows if it needs to create a working tree [11:18] Kaleetos: it's a text file, open it with a text editor [11:19] Kaleetos: it's the bzr log file [11:19] jam: in which case it may as well fetch the tree contents up front, because that data is going to be needed anyway [11:20] jam: so it wouldn't make "bzr push" of a new stacked branch any larger, but would make "bzr branch --stacked $remote local" more efficient [11:20] interesting idea [11:22] i can't find that file vila [11:22] is it hidden in the folder? [11:22] Kaleetos: yes, it starts with a dot (.) so the finder doesn't show it by default [11:24] got it [11:24] jelmer: my packaging rules had [11:24] [ -f configure ] || autoreconf -fi [11:24] jelmer: (in debian, not just recipes) [11:25] vila: you want a copy of the whole the [11:25] lifeless: in clean: ? [11:25] *the whole thing [11:25] lifeless: that's the only target that gets run by the recipe builder [11:26] Kaleetos: only the end should be relevant i.e. the last few commands [11:28] there's a snipit of the en [11:28] *end [11:29] jelmer: build: [11:29] [ -f configure ] || autoreconf -fi [11:29] INSTALLDIRS=vendor $(DH) build [11:29] clean: [11:29] make distclean || true [11:29] rm -f configure [11:29] jelmer: so clean will trigger the rules to build when the package itself is built [11:29] and bzr is not working for me :( I'm trying run a command to download some files, but I'm getting this: ERROR: Unable to import library "subvertpy": bzr-svn: Unable to load subvertpy extensions..... [11:29] jelmer: I suspect this is also lost in your changes [11:29] lifeless: there's no dependency on build in clean? [11:30] jelmer: no, why would there be? [11:30] lifeless: the recipe builder only runs the clean target, it doesn't run any of the other targets [11:30] vila: i guess the compiled stuff is indeed necessary [11:30] jelmer: right, I don't see the problem though [11:30] Kaleetos: if you're talking to a remote svn server, yes [11:30] jelmer: at least not with my packaging rules [11:31] I haven't looked at what you did in -2 yet [11:31] vila: would this problem have anything to do with whine being associated with all of those .so files? [11:31] ah, I know [11:31] I didn't delete setup.py again, I should have. [11:32] the debhelper stuff wrongly runs setup.py [11:32] vila: and if so, should i associate it with something else or just remove the association? [11:32] Kaleetos: I dunno what whine is, but no, associations shouldn't come into play there [11:33]