[00:19] debfx: I'd like to see if we can get rid of them entirely. The main goal is to reduce the amount of ISO testing we have to do. [00:20] debfx: I just subscribed you to a spec that may lead to full disk encryption with the live CD being possible. [00:20] rbelem: ^^^ you too. [00:21] ScottK, awesome :-) [00:22] ScottK, so a dvd live image would replace entirely the alternate [00:22] Possibly. [00:23] I think raid is the only think that isn't being considered. [00:27] ScottK, i think that would be nice to add raid support, but with lower priority [00:28] rbelem: Maybe you know someone there at work that would be willing to help implement it. [00:28] (the encryption/lvm part) [04:52] natty nvidia's driver is sooo broken :/ [06:48] hmmm, I keep getting kernel scheduler panics [07:04] Tm_T: I had a kernel panic the otherday....? [07:13] bah [07:14] obsidian coast is such a nice theme, but I really hate that my documents get themed dark... I still want white pages dammit! [07:15] jussi: hopefully this 38.9 doesn't have those anymore [07:16] Tm_T: I reported a bug 775432 [07:16] Launchpad bug 775432 in linux (Ubuntu) "Kernel panic. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775432 [07:19] I had different kind of panic [08:28] morning [08:43] good morning bambee [08:43] hi ;) [08:43] apachelogger: UDD wants you to merge the natty-proposed changes into oneiric: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/phonon-backend-gstreamer/oneiric-201105022311/+merge/59720 [08:45] Quintasan_: did you find a workaround for that aufs probloem? [08:47] jussi: the pages in libreoffice? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [08:47] morning [08:48] yofel: see #ubuntu-devel [08:48] jussi: I meant re [08:14] obsidian coast is such a nice theme, but I really hate that my documents get themed dark... I still want white pages dammit! [08:50] yofel: yes [08:50] in libreoffice [08:50] tools -> options -> appearance -> set page background to white instead of automatic [08:51] er, document background === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [09:02] jussi: yes I did [09:02] Hello by the way [09:02] Quintasan: yeah, cjwatson just told me how to sort it (chroot) [09:02] jussi:remember to mount /dev and /proc via mount --bind [09:02] :P [09:03] Quintasan: yeah, I did :D === hunger_ is now known as hunger [09:22] yofel: all nice to do that, but then I have to go start changing default font colours and loads of stuff. I wish it would "just handle that" [09:22] Quintasan: it's useless to bind /sys ? [09:22] no idea [09:23] I couldn't install it without mounting /sys [09:23] usually I mount proc, dev and sys... but I am not sure about sys :\ [09:23] * bambee searchs on google [09:26] some programs need /sys, I mount /dev, /dev/pts, /dev/shm, /proc, /sys and /tmp [09:27] jussi: really? I just have only the background set to white, everything else is set to automatic and it works as expected [09:28] bambee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#METHOD%203%20-%20CHROOT [09:28] yofel: yeah, i get white on white :( [09:28] perhaps I need to restart it... [09:29] indeed [09:29] yofel: nope, restart of LO didnt help :( [09:29] interesting... [09:29] odd [09:33] yes, somewhat strange. [09:34] jussi: on every app, or in some particular? [09:34] Tm_T: I only tested in writer so far [09:34] oowriter? [09:34] no [09:34] libreoffice writer [09:34] ah, same thing to me (: [09:34] same for calc :( [09:35] but yea, OO/LO is problematic with dark themes [09:35] it's very annoying [09:35] I wish Calligra was useable... [09:35] jussi: been usable when I have tried it (built from git) [09:37] debfx: why me? I only followed the lead of jr on this [09:38] * apachelogger sees a conflict of interest having upstream work on their software downstream [09:38] * jussi would use it in a heartbeat if it actually did propper MSOffice compatibility and had a format painter... [09:39] shadeslayer: is your telepathy done yet? can I use it yet? :O [09:39] I am not sure what I seen on them screnies but it looks hawt [09:41] hm [09:42] ScottK: not that I'd want to stir up shit, but the choice of words at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-qt-panel is disturbing and shitty [09:42] "such as making Qt a first-class citizen in the Ubuntu main repository" [09:42] implying that we did not take good enough care of it the past 5 years [09:44] jussi: oh, come to think of it ... given the new nokia strategy we probably will never see a calligra with proper ms compatibility :S [09:46] Nightrose: do you have a SOK student for KHC yet btw? [09:47] apachelogger: i have one who is interested but not really experienced so will not do it alone [09:47] also i am still missing a mentor [09:47] :/ [09:47] Nightrose: when is application deadline? [09:48] well end of july but i'd really like to have it all sorted in the next week or two [09:48] *nod* [09:49] Nightrose: actually, did you ever think about like trying to build a team to work on a large project for SOK [09:49] dude... of course ;-) [09:49] like 4 people all working on KHC, I imagine that to be quite the experience [09:50] the problem is: finding the right students and mentor [09:50] yeah, students gotta be world class [09:51] for students one could like select the students with perceived best proposals and interview them or something ^^] [09:52] then run a 5 minute test to get an idea of the potential and then "upgrade" 4 of them to a team ;) [09:52] anyhow, I need to run me debugger around the block now :P [09:54] ohhhh [09:54] anyone seen kded4 go wild on natty? [09:58] me, every time I loose my network connection when connected over my n900 [09:58] apachelogger: have heard it happens [09:59] the trace showed some ntrack related lookup getting stuck, didn't file a bug though yet [09:59] I didn't loose network though [09:59] also I noticed I had 2 kded4 for one reason or another [09:59] one stuck and one not [09:59] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603168/ [09:59] someone in our LoCo said this bug is resurfacing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/333944 [09:59] Ubuntu bug 333944 in kdelibs "Kubuntu jaunty: kded4 at 100% of CPU load" [High,Confirmed] [09:59] hm, no, different trace than me [10:00] Tm_T: jaunty? :O [10:00] I doubt it is the same bug [10:00] anyhow [10:00] my 3rd thread looks interesting enough [10:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603169/ [10:01] if one io class gets stuck that coudl easily be the reason why the other io class (QFileSystemWatcher) gets stuck [10:02] #9 0x0085d39f in QObject::~QObject (this=0x93a0ee0, __in_chrg=) at kernel/qobject.cpp:946 [10:02] #10 0x074325ab in ?? () from /usr/lib/libsolid.so.4 [10:02] of course the fact that apparently solid is directly deleting a qobject is a bit fishy too [10:02] ought to use deletelater really [10:09] apachelogger: you've uploaded to oneiric without including the changes from natty-proposed [10:13] ah [10:13] but why are the changes from natty proposed not in oneiric? [10:15] apparently no one copied the package after oneiric opened [10:17] itisamess(tm) [10:33] oh oh oh [10:33] debfx: I deem this unnecessary work [10:34] pgst 4.5.1 is being prepared for release and has an upstream fix for that proposed change [10:46] apachelogger, do you know that when one proposes to uninstall phonon-backend-gstreamer [10:47] Kubuntu-desktop will go too? [10:48] this caused me no end of jollity last night when i didn't notice that [10:49] and by jollity, I mean GRRRRRR [10:49] well, it needs *one* backend installed, so kdebase-runtime depends on them [10:49] ah wait, kubuntu-desktop does go indeed [10:49] I have a hand-built one [10:50] and was trying to make the package go away [10:50] in any case, that is disconcerting, to say the least [10:50] well, dpkg --force-depends then, a backend should be installed from a packaging perspective [10:51] lp #771281 [10:51] Launchpad bug 771281 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu Natty) "kubuntu-full not installable in Natty" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771281 [10:51] !info kubuntu-full [10:51] kubuntu-full (source: kubuntu-meta): Full Kubuntu Plasma Desktop/Netbook system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.222.1 (natty), package size 3 kB, installed size 56 kB [10:52] * valorie goes to bed [10:52] how is that different from the -desktop package? [10:52] meant for the -dvd I think with some extra packages [10:53] just wondering why downgrading -desktop to .122 resolves that [10:53] today must be moron day or something [10:53] * apachelogger waves fist in the general direction of morons [10:54] hm, no, that's aptitude confusing me [10:55] I'm not really convinced that -desktop should *depend* on pgst either though... [10:55] apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop |grep phonon-backend [10:55] Depends: alsa-base, alsa-utils, anacron, ark, bc, ca-certificates, cups, cups-bsd, cups-client, dc, dolphin, foomatic-db-compressed-ppds, foomatic-filters, genisoimage, ghostscript-x, inputattach, kde-window-manager, kde-zeroconf, kdebase-workspace-bin, kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, kdepasswd, kdm, khelpcenter4, klipper, kmix, konsole, ksnapshot, ksysguard, kubuntu-netbook-default-settings, language-selector-kde, lftp, libpam-ck-connector, [10:55] libsasl2-modules, libxp6, nvidia-common, okular, openprinting-ppds, phonon-backend-gstreamer, plasma-desktop, plasma-netbook, pnm2ppa, rfkill, smbclient, software-properties-kde, systemsettings, ttf-dejavu-core, ttf-freefont, ubuntu-extras-keyring, unzip, wireless-tools, wpasupplicant, x-ttcidfont-conf, xdg-user-dirs, xkb-data, xorg, zip [10:55] win [10:55] yofel: it should recommend it [10:55] that I agree with, but not depend on it [10:55] well [10:55] I can also see how depend makes sense actually :P [10:55] only pgst is supported on our end [10:56] ah [10:56] installing e.g. phonon-backend-xine (Which btw should be removed from archive) would render the system non-kubuntu [10:56] as it is not supported by kubuntu or upstream or anyone [10:56] so, not sure what to do with it [10:57] like I actually think kmix is less a dependency than pgst, as we have other supported mixers in main [10:57] well, you're right, -desktop represents our default set after all [10:58] bbl [12:02] Can anyone else confirm Bug #777019. Warning you may loose anything you're working on and your wireless connection. [12:02] Launchpad bug 777019 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "kdm crashed when coming out of screensaver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777019 [12:17] * ScottK hasn't seen that one. [12:18] * ScottK would tend to blame X for that one though. [12:46] ScottK: is it worth looking at the x error log then? [12:47] If there is one, yes. [12:47] would a problem with x knock out wireless? or is it that as x is restarting it isn't restarting wi-fi? [12:48] I'd guess the latter. [12:48] I've had trouble getting wireless back after an X crash in natty. [12:52] OK, i've logged into the laptop via this computer and I'll monitor the xorg log file and see what happens [12:56] looking at .xsession_error instead: X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 [13:08] I've added a text file to the bug with the xsession-error file [13:11] You should add xorg-server to the affected packages. [13:15] added [14:18] does one have to be invited to join https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/UDS-O ? [14:20] no those are the people who are going to either be at UDS-O or remotely participating [14:20] feel free to put yourself down [14:20] How does one remotely participate? [14:25] via irc and th VOIP numbers, there should a wiki page on it someplace [14:26] lucidfox: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-N/RemoteParticipation, there should be a page for UDS-O soon [14:27] yofel and lucidfox: It's at http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/ [14:27] jjesse: ^^^ [14:27] ah, thanks :) [14:27] thanks ScottK [14:27] all email sent to kde-core-devel need an approval ? or it's just for beginners ? (I am just curious) [14:28] Just for beginners. [14:28] ScottK: the schedule isn't yet final right? [14:28] yofel: The schedule isn't final until UDS is over. [14:28] Stuff moves all the time. [14:28] ah heh [14:29] ugh, Twitter :S === dantti__ is now known as dantti === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [15:54] bambee: you could like bribe someone to get whitelisted :P [15:57] apachelogger: ? [15:57] for kde-core-devel [15:57] ohhh [15:59] apachelogger: my request will be probably approved this evening [15:59] (I mean the email) [17:26] apachelogger: define working [17:27] and define " done yet " [17:27] plays .prn [17:27] not done yet then [17:27] too bad :( [17:28] * apachelogger uses his software then, which incidentally is working and done :P [17:28] and it probably never will be according to that standard ^_^ [17:28] apachelogger: your GSoC proposal? [17:28] sure [17:28] apachelogger: finish mine too while you're at it ^_^ [17:29] not while I am watching .prn [17:29] after it then :P [17:33] dude [17:33] shadeslayer: you realize after .prn is wine time? [17:38] @_@ [17:47] there is a package named dares, there was a patch to fix binutils-gold error. Debian developer just included this patch in its newer version. No other changes and patch is also not applied in source code, just included as a patch. Is there any need of sync in this case? [17:48] c2tarun: yes, if the ubuntu vs debian diff is null] [17:49] or if all ubuntu changes have been applied upstream [17:49] * apachelogger alsmost has a SRU [17:49] anyone remembers how SRU works? [17:49] ubottu probably knows [17:49] Sorry, I don't know anything about probably knows [17:49] @_@ [17:50] apachelogger: its probably something along the lines of "Fix something on your system and hope it works for everyone else" [17:51] yeah [17:51] apachelogger: file a bug, add debdiff to bug, upload to natty-proposed, ensure bug has test case on it, ensure fix is also in onieric [17:51] make sure the bug is nominated for natty and onieric [17:52] Riddell: what I am wondering about, say the package in natty is a bit crapy (got .debhelper.log), would I get a beatin' for having that in the diff? [17:52] * apachelogger has no idea how someone got a source package with a .debhelper.log file these days [17:52] apachelogger: For SRU the diff should be small, so maintaining existing non-critical crappage is actually encouraged. [17:53] yeah, well [17:53] I have no idea how to maintain the crappage [17:53] dpkg-buildpackage eats it away [17:53] hence the wondering how it got there to begin with [17:53] should be ok then just explain it in the bug [17:54] ok, thanks [18:19] ScottK: I believe we should have like an outlook session first thing monday, quickly listing all known points we will talk about throughout the week and maybe toss around some initial thoughts ... so that everyone knows what the plan for the week looks like and maybe think about one or two things while $brain is idle :) [18:20] apachelogger: We have an very early session on general packaging (which shouldn't take long). We could do it as part of that. [18:20] ok, good enough [18:36] apachelogger: do we receive notifications when the email has been moderated ? [18:37] ehm [18:37] no idea [18:37] I don't think so [18:37] :\ [18:37] you only get a notification if it got rejected [18:37] (mind rejected, not discarded ;)) [18:37] mhhh, ok [18:37] bambee: lists.kde.org will know [18:38] bambee: nothing in my inbox anyway [18:38] amazon wants me to buy my mom a kindle though [18:38] arrf, so not moderated yet [18:38] bambee: poke like dfaure, he surely has mod access ^^ [18:38] talking about the kindle [18:38] the kindle app for android is pretty neat [18:39] in fact, except for their shitty format it is the best reader app I have yet seen on android [18:39] dfaure is not connected === markey_nokia_ is now known as markey_nokia [19:39] apachelogger: Is there some way that we can disable Dr. Konqui reports about kwin problems in Natty? mgraesslin's getting a bit overwhelmed with dupes. [19:40] I can make .prn create moving pictures, I can do anything :D [19:42] OTOH I could also guide someone to do it... [19:43] apachelogger: It would make mgraesslin happy if you could find a way he wouldn't be drowning in intel related dupes. [19:43] just intel related? [19:43] that is gonna be tricky [19:44] kde bug 252817 [19:44] KDE bug 252817 in general "KWin crashes on intel/mesa glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT)" [Crash,Resolved: upstream] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252817 [19:44] turning off drkonqi for good is a no brainer, but only intel... [19:45] but we get the crash from all distros to be honest [19:46] we just got hit by the Ubuntu wave ;-) [19:46] (always fun to see how you can notice distro releases in your bug reports) [19:46] stupid kubuntu having so many users :P [19:47] well, at least you can measure the user count like that :P [19:47] mgraesslin: in phonon we do not notice, we tend to have good quality upstreams :P [19:47] well, users with intel cards [19:47] apachelogger: 10.10 hit us badly because we fixed a crash a few days after 4.5.1 - we still get the duplicates for it ;-) [19:48] well, we could like digg into dr konqi and check the backtrace for duplication with $reference, if match just hide the report button or something [19:48] that could work [19:49] a bit tricky though [19:49] I still would like to get DrKonqui changed in a way to recognize if the driver crashes and redirect to bugs.freedesktop.org :-) [19:49] last time I looked at drkonqi I only saw a [] operator usage without first checking that a qlist actually had content [19:49] very eww [19:49] mgraesslin: now that would be awesome [19:49] more semantics for the debugger \o/ [19:50] * mgraesslin is in front of the tv watching football [19:51] * apachelogger is watching jersey shore :D [19:52] apachelogger: we have a new pkg-kde-tools import branch \o/ [19:52] I'll just delete the old ubuntu one if you don't mind [19:52] a new? [19:53] "ubuntu one" [19:53] * apachelogger giggles [19:53] you cannot delete ubuntu one, bro! [19:53] that isn't cool [19:53] debfx: does it work now? [19:54] lol [19:54] apachelogger: yes, the question is for how long [19:54] :O [19:54] wow [19:54] wait ... u1 was supposed to work? [19:54] :O [19:54] software that breaks when something changes on one well defined end [19:55] in the name of kent beck! [19:55] * apachelogger is not ever going to fall in love with the pyth0rnz [19:55] javaz ftw! [19:57] I thought the definition of Ubuntu One working in Kubuntu was apachelogger got paid for his GSoC project. By that standard I'd imagine it works great. [19:57] dude [19:57] it like works [19:57] it just isn't upstream [19:58] well then just fork it. ubuntu two? [19:58] as a matter of fact the notification part of my statusnotifier is pretty useless these days as new u1 actually (thanks to upstream cooperation) emits notifications from the syncdaemon directly [19:58] debfx: lolz [19:59] before I fork pyth0rnware kent beck himself needs to order me to do so [19:59] so never gonna happen [20:00] * apachelogger actually has a feeling that one day u1 will be usable on kyoubuntoo [20:01] blieve it or not, ubuntu-sso with GTK should be working form natty-proposed [20:01] it is like a miracle or something [20:01] progress at last [20:01] then it just needs to gain support for client-side encryption in order to be useful [20:01] apachelogger: GSoC 2011 New Student Info: Tax Forms, Proof of Enrollment, and Welcome Packages [20:01] go see [20:01] now [20:02] ScottK: how is the cmake sponsoring going? [20:02] apachelogger: oh and can you help me out with something? [20:02] debfx: I completely forgot. [20:02] shadeslayer: dude, is deadline like tomorrow? [20:02] debfx: Where is it? [20:02] if not, it can like wait [20:02] lolyeah [20:02] The deadline to submit these forms is Friday, 20 May, 2011* [20:02] ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/cmake_2.8.4+dfsg.1-2ubuntu1.debdiff [20:02] nope [20:03] shadeslayer: that is not even soon :P [20:03] nope [20:03] shadeslayer: people were going all crazy ^^ [20:03] apachelogger: dude .. need halp with KAction [20:03] * apachelogger is highly annoyed from the traffic on the gsoc list [20:03] shadeslayer: it is like qaction, just with a k [20:03] true [20:03] sounds dirty, I know [20:03] @_@ [20:04] so [20:04] what is the prob [20:04] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/51169/ [20:04] * apachelogger was about to watch skins [20:04] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/Bsewj.png [20:05] for some reason my title and KLineEdit are not displayed :S [20:06] oh [20:06] hmm [20:06] i think i know why [20:07] well [20:07] debfx: Done. [20:07] this code is all weird [20:07] ScottK: thanks [20:07] debfx: Did you send the multiarch patch to Debian? They'll need it soon. [20:07] shadeslayer: why do you parent the klineedit to the button [20:07] like that is probaly not what you want to achieve [20:07] though I am not quite sure what your angle is actually [20:07] apachelogger: i've tried parenting it to the KAction, but that doesn't work [20:07] course not [20:08] it does not work like that [20:08] shadeslayer: you want it in the menu? [20:08] so what should i parent it to? ^_^ [20:08] yes [20:08] then you will probably have to overload kmenu [20:08] ScottK: Riddell forwarded it [20:08] ouch [20:08] I do not think a kaction can hold a line edit by default [20:08] OK. Good. [20:08] so you will have to overload kmenu and like inject it in the layout relative to the qactions [20:08] or kactions for that matter [20:09] shadeslayer: I'd like to urge you to think about this though [20:09] hmm [20:09] shadeslayer: what you are doing is sorta breaking the idiom [20:09] menus are not editable [20:09] if you insert an editable element into a menu that is confusing [20:09] oh ... but it's for setting a custom status [20:09] apachelogger: i'll probably rewrite the whole darn thing [20:10] once i get more time [20:10] sure, I mean it depends on how you display stuff [20:10] the current implementation is quite cluttered [20:10] yep [20:10] but as it is now, where the klineedit would look like another action, it woudl be confusing [20:10] they had radio buttons in there before i fixed stuff :3 [20:10] if you can visually distinquish the lineedit from the actions that is sorta good [20:10] apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/0Xgpb.png [20:11] mind that mixing actions and editable stuff is still not quite the win situation [20:11] i think it's distinguished [20:11] using "Set Message .... " [20:11] what I'd do is like have a qaction that goes "custom status" and when you click it the element in teh menu actually gets replaced with the lineedit === amichairo is now known as amichair [20:12] that way you cleanly stick to the menu idiom while having your sorta compact setup for custom stuff [20:12] not terribly important as stage I suppose though ^^ [20:13] oh good idea [20:13] * shadeslayer will do that [20:14] groovy [20:14] * apachelogger goes back to skins then :P [20:29] debfx: are you going to merge kile? (you were the last uploader). If not I'll do it [20:31] yofel: feel free to do it, I don't have time for it at the moment [20:31] k [20:31] that reminds me, I wanted to upstream the dependency changes [20:32] yay, bzr didn't explode while merging the debian branch [20:32] success! [21:16] * bambee is watching "Kick-ass" => this movie rocks your socks! seriously... [22:09] sounds like .prn [23:08] !info phonon-backend-xine oneiric [23:08] 'oneiric' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable [23:08] oh [23:08] jussi: ^ [23:08] karp0tt [23:09] debfx, yofel: could one of you like file a removal request for that thing [23:09] that is me as upstream talking :P [23:10] why don't you, as downstream, file the request? [23:10] * apachelogger has a conflict of interest [23:10] just because I as upstream feel it needs to go, does not necessarily mean it is the right choice for ubuntu [23:11] LOL [23:11] debfx: make him do it [23:11] no matter what he says [23:11] * apachelogger is not going to do it [23:12] the occasional fix is as far as I'll go [23:12] You will do it apachelogger [23:12] well if you don't think it's good for ubuntu I'll deny your upstream request :P [23:12] * apachelogger does not have an ubuntu opinion on things he works on upstream [23:13] debfx: I really wonder how far can one advance without doing nothing :D [23:13] that never ever works out [23:13] look at any shit suse has worked on in the past [23:13] as soon as you work upstream and think about downstream it is gonna be shit for others [23:14] what's wrong with the xine backend anyway? unmaintained? [23:14] yep [23:15] debfx: apachelogger got lazy and went "wtf who care bout xine anyways?" [23:15] cares* [23:15]