| hajour | goodnight all its 4:09 in night so i need some sleep to. | 03:09 |
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| webczat | Hey. | 12:10 |
| webczat | Is there java-atk-wrapper in ubuntu? | 12:15 |
| === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum | ||
| === hajour_ is now known as hajour | ||
| hajour | great ubuntu-beginners forum is going to test out accessibility on the test forum | 17:16 |
| hajour | charlie-tca, cprofitt maco TheMuso ^ | 17:17 |
| hajour | and everyone else | 17:17 |
| hajour | need to help cooking now just wanted to let you all know | 17:18 |
| hajour | and JanC see above :) | 17:22 |
| charlie-tca | very good | 17:27 |
| JanC | nice | 17:35 |
| hajour | ok back | 18:22 |
| webczat | hey | 18:23 |
| hajour | good news thought testing accessibility now on ubuntu test forum | 18:23 |
| hajour | webczat, ^ | 18:24 |
| webczat | : | 18:26 |
| hajour | and only because i had complained about it .i am a little surprised by that | 18:26 |
| webczat | What happens with java-access-bridge on ubuntu-10.10 and 11? it's deprecated and doesn't work due to some orbit errors whh... | 18:27 |
| webczat | errors on 2 screens of a terminal | 18:29 |
| hajour | i don't no charlie-tca do you now about that ^ ? | 18:29 |
| hajour | charlie-tca, will response but have multiple channels webczat | 18:31 |
| webczat | I have 6 :d had 12 | 18:31 |
| hajour | if he not know it he probably will now who do know it webczat | 18:31 |
| webczat | mhm | 18:32 |
| webczat | Actually the non-deprecated thing is java-atk-wrapper. | 18:32 |
| hajour | i am not a programmer or something webczat i hope soon there is a usable read write program for me to learn more | 18:34 |
| hajour | i have size 18 fonts on irc chat | 18:34 |
| * webczat is totally and irrecoverably blind :d | 18:35 | |
| hajour | a witch program you use webczat ? | 18:35 |
| hajour | i have been blind several times webczat | 18:36 |
| webczat | What? | 18:36 |
| webczat | ah | 18:36 |
| hajour | i need a program what read out loud with understandable voice.i got dislectic to most with reading | 18:37 |
| hajour | webczat, | 18:37 |
| webczat | mmmm | 18:37 |
| webczat | Is orca seen to you as understandable? | 18:37 |
| webczat | I mean espeak | 18:37 |
| webczat | Because orca isn't a synthesizer | 18:37 |
| hajour | orca is mechanical voice not yet have get prudence voice get working with open mary webczat | 18:38 |
| hajour | orca do hurt my ears webczat | 18:38 |
| webczat | it's espeak. if you have a synth, you can probably use it with orca if it has speech-dispatcher module. | 18:39 |
| webczat | if i understand that correctly | 18:39 |
| hajour | i now we just have get with help from AlanBell libopenmary get working webczat | 18:39 |
| webczat | I use orca and occassionally speakup. | 18:40 |
| hajour | i am team leader from speechcontrol webczat | 18:40 |
| AlanBell | afternoon all | 18:40 |
| hajour | we gor people in the team who have worked on espeak | 18:40 |
| hajour | gor=got | 18:40 |
| webczat | mhm | 18:41 |
| hajour | and TheMuso also is in our team webczat | 18:41 |
| webczat | Actually I now don't want to change espeak to anything else. after few months... | 18:41 |
| webczat | Or actually... I remember I didn't need to wait few months for me to promptly use it | 18:42 |
| hajour | speechcontrol is read write program with voicecommand webczat | 18:42 |
| hajour | it need to be usable to for light weight programs webczat | 18:42 |
| hajour | a AlanBell | 18:43 |
| hajour | maybe you can help webczat | 18:43 |
| webczat | depends in what | 18:43 |
| AlanBell | yeah, just looking back for a question to answer :) | 18:43 |
| AlanBell | java atk stuff | 18:44 |
| hajour | also if webczat is helped i would have get some help with trying to install a speechprogram on this laptop from my daughter AlanBell | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | hajour: I think you need to learn to use orca | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | I do too, it is a big thing to learn | 18:45 |
| webczat | yeah | 18:45 |
| hajour | i think on this laptop it will be possible to put a speechprogram on it | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | I can get the openmary synth working with orca for you | 18:45 |
| webczat | use orca | 18:45 |
| hajour | it was not possible to put it on my old eeepc | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | and you can use my remote openmary install, or a local one on your laptop | 18:45 |
| webczat | AlanBell: coding the module or wtf? | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | webczat: I have a generic module that works | 18:46 |
| hajour | wanted to try openmary AlanBell | 18:46 |
| hajour | but we cant get prudence voice working | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | a speech dispatcher module using the generic driver that is | 18:46 |
| hajour | a you mean libopenmary AlanBell ? | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | nope | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | I have no idea what libopenmary is supposed to do | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | even having read the source code | 18:47 |
| hajour | or was it not usable? | 18:47 |
| webczat | AlanBell: what about java awt thing? | 18:47 |
| hajour | UndiFineD, can explain it to you or JackyAlcine AlanBell | 18:48 |
| hajour | JackyAlcine, ping | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | webczat: not sure about java atk stuff | 18:48 |
| webczat | or about jab legacy? | 18:48 |
| webczat | I someday tested the atk thingy and it worked, but ubuntu still has this deprecated jab. and it even does not work. | 18:48 |
| webczat | because of orbit errors. that also prevents using it after upgrading to at-spi2 if ever done | 18:50 |
| AlanBell | !info libaccess-bridge-java | 18:50 |
| hajour | have pinged JackyAlcine in pm for you AlanBell | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | webczat: ok, I see what that is supposed to do | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | webczat: I will have a go with that later | 18:52 |
| AlanBell | if that one is deprecated where is the upstream we should be using? | 18:52 |
| webczat | java-atk-wrapper | 18:53 |
| hajour | not yet have get respond AlanBell | 18:53 |
| hajour | from JackyAlcine | 18:53 |
| AlanBell | webczat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537779 | 18:55 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open] | 18:55 |
| AlanBell | looks like it is not yet packaged in debian :( | 18:55 |
| AlanBell | I will have more of a play later, that is probably something we could bring up at UDS and get someone to package it and get it in Debian | 18:57 |
| AlanBell | hajour: I will help you get openmary working with speech dispatcher on your laptop later | 18:57 |
| hajour | ok AlanBell | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | hajour: does orca work right now for you? | 18:58 |
| hajour | AlanBell, danielo108 will explain it to you | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | as in, you run orca and it talks? | 18:58 |
| hajour | i not get a understandable voice AlanBell | 18:58 |
| AlanBell | yeah, that is fine | 18:58 |
| hajour | it sounds better but it mmm looking for the right english word now | 18:59 |
| AlanBell | but if you run it now it should say "welcome to orca" and "orca screen reader slash magnifier frame preferences button" | 18:59 |
| hajour | going translate brb | 18:59 |
| AlanBell | don't care if it sounds horrible, just want to know if it works | 19:00 |
| JackyAlcine | lol | 19:00 |
| * JackyAlcine was pinged; can't determine what exactly for. | 19:00 | |
| hajour | orca falters | 19:00 |
| hajour | JackyAlcine, AlanBell wants to no where libopenmary is for to use | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | actually I am off out to water plants now | 19:01 |
| JackyAlcine | Lol | 19:01 |
| hajour | so its falters then repeat the font over the next font AlanBell | 19:01 |
| JackyAlcine | But yeah, libopenmary was originally designed to be used the same way libespeak is. | 19:02 |
| hajour | and then its not understandable | 19:02 |
| hajour | AlanBell, | 19:02 |
| JackyAlcine | But as AlanBell brought to the team's attention; it can also be used to create a plugin to speechd to support MARY. | 19:02 |
| hajour | needed time to explain in english | 19:02 |
| hajour | yes i heard JackyAlcine | 19:03 |
| hajour | we need to organize a meeting soon again JackyAlcine | 19:03 |
| JackyAlcine | Indeed; as soon as I can get my home system more stabilized.. | 19:04 |
| hajour | i am switching often from pc at the moment JackyAlcine | 19:04 |
| hajour | i not have a own pc anymore | 19:04 |
| JackyAlcine | But meetings would be more easier for me to attend on the weekend, as school's coming to a close and I have to please my college. | 19:04 |
| hajour | i understand but saterday i need to go sleep early as i have to stand up at 6:00 in morning on sunday to get my plain to uds JackyAlcine | 19:05 |
| JackyAlcine | Oh man! UDS! | 19:06 |
| hajour | yes | 19:06 |
| JackyAlcine | lol, keep forgetting about that | 19:07 |
| hajour | thats next week JackyAlcine | 19:07 |
| * webczat says re | 19:16 | |
| charlie-tca | I went to lunch and last minute shopping for travel | 19:25 |
| hajour | brb need to get my kids to bed so | 19:29 |
| webczat | charlie-tca: do you know something about java-atk-wrapper or jab? | 19:30 |
| charlie-tca | no, I don't really. I have seen a couple of bug reports about java-bridge not working | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | but that is the extent of it. | 19:31 |
| webczat | yeah. jab is deprecated, right? | 19:33 |
| webczat | I heart it's replaced by java-atk-wrapper | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, to the best of my knowledge, jab is deprecated. Didn't know about the replacement. | 19:33 |
| webczat | yes, there is :) | 19:34 |
| webczat | I remember me testing it one time | 19:34 |
| webczat | I think ubuntu needs to replace jab with java-atk-wrapper, I heart that it's currently completed but some things need fixing. that's better than something that doesn't work at all because of some corba things. | 19:35 |
| webczat | It at least does not crash the whole java thing. | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | I defer to TheMuso for that kind of stuff. I do the testing and wiki updates when I can, but I am not a developer. | 19:36 |
| webczat | But there's a cool and understandable error message with a backtrace. :) | 19:36 |
| webczat | And I don't understand it cause I don't know corba. | 19:37 |
| charlie-tca | Like I say, I have to let developers put everything together. I can test things and tell what does and what does not work, but I don't understand all the application interaction | 19:39 |
| webczat | mhm | 19:41 |
| Daniel0108 | hi | 20:02 |
| webczat | hi | 20:02 |
| JanC | webczat: is there and Ubuntu bug about java-atk-wrapper ? | 20:22 |
| webczat | JanC: I am not really sure. | 20:22 |
| JanC | or maybe a bug about the one that doesn't work ;) | 20:25 |
| webczat | Probably there is. I didn't check bugs, I just like asked for advice. | 20:27 |
| webczat | or info | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | webczat: I don't think there is an Ubuntu bug about it, if there is somewhere then it will just be a pointer to the debian request to package bug | 20:32 |
| webczat | I want to program in swing | 20:32 |
| JanC | AlanBell: a bug that links to the debian one would be useful though | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | what would it be filed against though? | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | debian bug 537779 | 20:33 |
| JanC | probably against the old one? | 20:33 |
| ubot2 | Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/537779 | 20:33 |
| JanC | the old library, I mean | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | ok | 20:34 |
| JanC | seems like it's in the libaccess-bridge-java / libaccess-bridge-java-jni packages | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | bug 429296 | 20:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 429296 in java-access-bridge "Does not work!" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429296 | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | that bug has the corba error webczat mentioned I think | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | why do we think java-access-bridge is deprecated? | 20:38 |
| JanC | I wonder how it's using Corba though? | 20:38 |
| JanC | in Natty I mean | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | at-spi stuff probably, doesn't really matter | 20:38 |
| AlanBell | just want to file a bug against it for being deprecated | 20:40 |
| JanC | what I mean is that it doesn't seem to use any CORBA library | 20:40 |
| JanC | some Java stdlib implementation maybe | 20:42 |
| AlanBell | can't find any reference to it being deprecated so I am not filing a bug against it for that | 20:44 |
| JanC | well, maybe it's not deprecated but just not maintained... | 20:44 |
| AlanBell | yeah, well it has the "doesn't work" bug already | 20:47 |
| JanC | didn't Oracle tell most Sun a11y developers to find another job? :-/ | 20:49 |
| JanC | well, and some by Sun itself and IBM before that apparently... :-/ | 20:51 |
| AlanBell | pretty much, yes | 20:54 |
| JanC | mayeb we need to remind them about http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/profit/features/070609-community-143624.html :P | 20:54 |
| AlanBell | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-accessibility-team/ | 20:56 |
| * AlanBell added it to the discussion notes for UDS | 20:56 | |
| webczat | AlanBell: jab is probably deprecated because it uses at-spi, not atk | 20:57 |
| webczat | and it's at-spi1 | 20:57 |
| webczat | ubuntu has at-spi1 but at-spi1 is actually being replaced with version 2. | 20:58 |
| webczat | Hmm, does oracle do something with java accessibility? | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | webczat: I can't find a link to something saying it is deprecated | 20:59 |
| webczat | Masaybe. I'm sure that it's, but it's better to first be sure | 21:00 |
| JanC | well, it's still needed for systems that use ATK 1.x (with bonobo) | 21:00 |
| AlanBell | I do understand that is uses at-spi1 and corba and thus must be deprecated, but I need something to link to if I am filing a bug against it | 21:00 |
| JanC | which includes many LTS-style distros | 21:00 |
| AlanBell | yeah, still might be deprecated | 21:01 |
| AlanBell | doesn't mean it can't be used, just marks it as a strategic dead end | 21:01 |
| webczat | yes. so at least make it work :/ | 21:01 |
| JanC | AlanBell: the lack of any developers working on it might mean nobody can mark it as deprecated of course | 21:01 |
| webczat | It was to devs as a whole actually :d | 21:01 |
| JanC | officially | 21:02 |
| webczat | If jab will be there but will work I won't care. | 21:02 |
| JanC | webczat: you might be able to get it to work with http://rdfintrospector2.blogspot.com/2009/09/bonobo-crazy-monkeys-java-at-api.html | 21:14 |
| JanC | but that's only a temporary solution for as long as at-spi API v1 is still supported :-/ | 21:15 |
| webczat | page not found | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | works for me | 21:32 |
| webczat | but not for me ugh | 21:32 |
| webczat | hmm now it doea | 21:33 |
| webczat | s/does | 21:33 |
| webczat | No solution there. | 21:42 |
| hajour | sorry i had a long pm | 22:15 |
| MrBadWiki | Aloha ka po'e apau | 22:53 |
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| webczat | Re. | 23:12 |
| MrChrisDruif | Re.? | 23:13 |
| webczat | :)) | 23:16 |
| hajour | also already wondering what re meant | 23:17 |
| webczat | Hmm, going to sleep, good night all! | 23:39 |
| hajour | still not know what Re means | 23:56 |
| MrChrisDruif | hajour: Might be return | 23:57 |
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