[03:09] goodnight all its 4:09 in night so i need some sleep to. === API is now known as apinheiro [12:10] Hey. [12:15] Is there java-atk-wrapper in ubuntu? === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum === hajour_ is now known as hajour [17:16] great ubuntu-beginners forum is going to test out accessibility on the test forum [17:17] charlie-tca, cprofitt maco TheMuso ^ [17:17] and everyone else [17:18] need to help cooking now just wanted to let you all know [17:22] and JanC see above :) [17:27] very good [17:35] nice [18:22] ok back [18:23] hey [18:23] good news thought testing accessibility now on ubuntu test forum [18:24] webczat, ^ [18:26] : [18:26] and only because i had complained about it .i am a little surprised by that [18:27] What happens with java-access-bridge on ubuntu-10.10 and 11? it's deprecated and doesn't work due to some orbit errors whh... [18:29] errors on 2 screens of a terminal [18:29] i don't no charlie-tca do you now about that ^ ? [18:31] charlie-tca, will response but have multiple channels webczat [18:31] I have 6 :d had 12 [18:31] if he not know it he probably will now who do know it webczat [18:32] mhm [18:32] Actually the non-deprecated thing is java-atk-wrapper. [18:34] i am not a programmer or something webczat i hope soon there is a usable read write program for me to learn more [18:34] i have size 18 fonts on irc chat [18:35] * webczat is totally and irrecoverably blind :d [18:35] a witch program you use webczat ? [18:36] i have been blind several times webczat [18:36] What? [18:36] ah [18:37] i need a program what read out loud with understandable voice.i got dislectic to most with reading [18:37] webczat, [18:37] mmmm [18:37] Is orca seen to you as understandable? [18:37] I mean espeak [18:37] Because orca isn't a synthesizer [18:38] orca is mechanical voice not yet have get prudence voice get working with open mary webczat [18:38] orca do hurt my ears webczat [18:39] it's espeak. if you have a synth, you can probably use it with orca if it has speech-dispatcher module. [18:39] if i understand that correctly [18:39] i now we just have get with help from AlanBell libopenmary get working webczat [18:40] I use orca and occassionally speakup. [18:40] i am team leader from speechcontrol webczat [18:40] afternoon all [18:40] we gor people in the team who have worked on espeak [18:40] gor=got [18:41] mhm [18:41] and TheMuso also is in our team webczat [18:41] Actually I now don't want to change espeak to anything else. after few months... [18:42] Or actually... I remember I didn't need to wait few months for me to promptly use it [18:42] speechcontrol is read write program with voicecommand webczat [18:42] it need to be usable to for light weight programs webczat [18:43] a AlanBell [18:43] maybe you can help webczat [18:43] depends in what [18:43] yeah, just looking back for a question to answer :) [18:44] java atk stuff [18:44] also if webczat is helped i would have get some help with trying to install a speechprogram on this laptop from my daughter AlanBell [18:45] hajour: I think you need to learn to use orca [18:45] I do too, it is a big thing to learn [18:45] yeah [18:45] i think on this laptop it will be possible to put a speechprogram on it [18:45] I can get the openmary synth working with orca for you [18:45] use orca [18:45] it was not possible to put it on my old eeepc [18:45] and you can use my remote openmary install, or a local one on your laptop [18:45] AlanBell: coding the module or wtf? [18:46] webczat: I have a generic module that works [18:46] wanted to try openmary AlanBell [18:46] but we cant get prudence voice working [18:46] a speech dispatcher module using the generic driver that is [18:46] a you mean libopenmary AlanBell ? [18:46] nope [18:47] I have no idea what libopenmary is supposed to do [18:47] even having read the source code [18:47] or was it not usable? [18:47] AlanBell: what about java awt thing? [18:48] UndiFineD, can explain it to you or JackyAlcine AlanBell [18:48] JackyAlcine, ping [18:48] webczat: not sure about java atk stuff [18:48] or about jab legacy? [18:48] I someday tested the atk thingy and it worked, but ubuntu still has this deprecated jab. and it even does not work. [18:50] because of orbit errors. that also prevents using it after upgrading to at-spi2 if ever done [18:50] !info libaccess-bridge-java [18:51] have pinged JackyAlcine in pm for you AlanBell [18:51] webczat: ok, I see what that is supposed to do [18:52] webczat: I will have a go with that later [18:52] if that one is deprecated where is the upstream we should be using? [18:53] java-atk-wrapper [18:53] not yet have get respond AlanBell [18:53] from JackyAlcine [18:55] webczat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537779 [18:55] Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open] [18:55] looks like it is not yet packaged in debian :( [18:57] I will have more of a play later, that is probably something we could bring up at UDS and get someone to package it and get it in Debian [18:57] hajour: I will help you get openmary working with speech dispatcher on your laptop later [18:58] ok AlanBell [18:58] hajour: does orca work right now for you? [18:58] AlanBell, danielo108 will explain it to you [18:58] as in, you run orca and it talks? [18:58] i not get a understandable voice AlanBell [18:58] yeah, that is fine [18:59] it sounds better but it mmm looking for the right english word now [18:59] but if you run it now it should say "welcome to orca" and "orca screen reader slash magnifier frame preferences button" [18:59] going translate brb [19:00] don't care if it sounds horrible, just want to know if it works [19:00] lol [19:00] * JackyAlcine was pinged; can't determine what exactly for. [19:00] orca falters [19:01] JackyAlcine, AlanBell wants to no where libopenmary is for to use [19:01] actually I am off out to water plants now [19:01] Lol [19:01] so its falters then repeat the font over the next font AlanBell [19:02] But yeah, libopenmary was originally designed to be used the same way libespeak is. [19:02] and then its not understandable [19:02] AlanBell, [19:02] But as AlanBell brought to the team's attention; it can also be used to create a plugin to speechd to support MARY. [19:02] needed time to explain in english [19:03] yes i heard JackyAlcine [19:03] we need to organize a meeting soon again JackyAlcine [19:04] Indeed; as soon as I can get my home system more stabilized.. [19:04] i am switching often from pc at the moment JackyAlcine [19:04] i not have a own pc anymore [19:04] But meetings would be more easier for me to attend on the weekend, as school's coming to a close and I have to please my college. [19:05] i understand but saterday i need to go sleep early as i have to stand up at 6:00 in morning on sunday to get my plain to uds JackyAlcine [19:06] Oh man! UDS! [19:06] yes [19:07] lol, keep forgetting about that [19:07] thats next week JackyAlcine [19:16] * webczat says re [19:25] I went to lunch and last minute shopping for travel [19:29] brb need to get my kids to bed so [19:30] charlie-tca: do you know something about java-atk-wrapper or jab? [19:31] no, I don't really. I have seen a couple of bug reports about java-bridge not working [19:31] but that is the extent of it. [19:33] yeah. jab is deprecated, right? [19:33] I heart it's replaced by java-atk-wrapper [19:33] yeah, to the best of my knowledge, jab is deprecated. Didn't know about the replacement. [19:34] yes, there is :) [19:34] I remember me testing it one time [19:35] I think ubuntu needs to replace jab with java-atk-wrapper, I heart that it's currently completed but some things need fixing. that's better than something that doesn't work at all because of some corba things. [19:36] It at least does not crash the whole java thing. [19:36] I defer to TheMuso for that kind of stuff. I do the testing and wiki updates when I can, but I am not a developer. [19:36] But there's a cool and understandable error message with a backtrace. :) [19:37] And I don't understand it cause I don't know corba. [19:39] Like I say, I have to let developers put everything together. I can test things and tell what does and what does not work, but I don't understand all the application interaction [19:41] mhm [20:02] hi [20:02] hi [20:22] webczat: is there and Ubuntu bug about java-atk-wrapper ? [20:22] JanC: I am not really sure. [20:25] or maybe a bug about the one that doesn't work ;) [20:27] Probably there is. I didn't check bugs, I just like asked for advice. [20:28] or info [20:32] webczat: I don't think there is an Ubuntu bug about it, if there is somewhere then it will just be a pointer to the debian request to package bug [20:32] I want to program in swing [20:33] AlanBell: a bug that links to the debian one would be useful though [20:33] what would it be filed against though? [20:33] debian bug 537779 [20:33] probably against the old one? [20:33] Debian bug 537779 in wnpp "RFP: java-atk-wrapper -- An ATK implementation for Java using JNI" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/537779 [20:33] the old library, I mean [20:34] ok [20:35] seems like it's in the libaccess-bridge-java / libaccess-bridge-java-jni packages [20:35] bug 429296 [20:35] Launchpad bug 429296 in java-access-bridge "Does not work!" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/429296 [20:36] that bug has the corba error webczat mentioned I think [20:38] why do we think java-access-bridge is deprecated? [20:38] I wonder how it's using Corba though? [20:38] in Natty I mean [20:38] at-spi stuff probably, doesn't really matter [20:40] just want to file a bug against it for being deprecated [20:40] what I mean is that it doesn't seem to use any CORBA library [20:42] some Java stdlib implementation maybe [20:44] can't find any reference to it being deprecated so I am not filing a bug against it for that [20:44] well, maybe it's not deprecated but just not maintained... [20:47] yeah, well it has the "doesn't work" bug already [20:49] didn't Oracle tell most Sun a11y developers to find another job? :-/ [20:51] well, and some by Sun itself and IBM before that apparently... :-/ [20:54] pretty much, yes [20:54] mayeb we need to remind them about http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/profit/features/070609-community-143624.html :P [20:56] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-accessibility-team/ [20:56] * AlanBell added it to the discussion notes for UDS [20:57] AlanBell: jab is probably deprecated because it uses at-spi, not atk [20:57] and it's at-spi1 [20:58] ubuntu has at-spi1 but at-spi1 is actually being replaced with version 2. [20:58] Hmm, does oracle do something with java accessibility? [20:59] webczat: I can't find a link to something saying it is deprecated [21:00] Masaybe. I'm sure that it's, but it's better to first be sure [21:00] well, it's still needed for systems that use ATK 1.x (with bonobo) [21:00] I do understand that is uses at-spi1 and corba and thus must be deprecated, but I need something to link to if I am filing a bug against it [21:00] which includes many LTS-style distros [21:01] yeah, still might be deprecated [21:01] doesn't mean it can't be used, just marks it as a strategic dead end [21:01] yes. so at least make it work :/ [21:01] AlanBell: the lack of any developers working on it might mean nobody can mark it as deprecated of course [21:01] It was to devs as a whole actually :d [21:02] officially [21:02] If jab will be there but will work I won't care. [21:14] webczat: you might be able to get it to work with http://rdfintrospector2.blogspot.com/2009/09/bonobo-crazy-monkeys-java-at-api.html [21:15] but that's only a temporary solution for as long as at-spi API v1 is still supported :-/ [21:28] page not found [21:32] works for me [21:32] but not for me ugh [21:33] hmm now it doea [21:33] s/does [21:42] No solution there. [22:15] sorry i had a long pm [22:53] Aloha ka po'e apau === MrBadWiki is now known as MrChrisDruif [23:12] Re. [23:13] Re.? [23:16] :)) [23:17] also already wondering what re meant [23:39] Hmm, going to sleep, good night all! [23:56] still not know what Re means [23:57] hajour: Might be return