[01:54] <sjm> (Ubuntu 11.04) I don't know if this is exactly a "server" issue, but I started with the server install.  I then installed lxde on top, but every time I try to change the background on the lxsession, I get a segfault from X: http://pastebin.com/Gc9Jct0m
[02:15] <psusi> is anyone able to run the ubuntu livecds in qemu under 11.04?  it seems completely fscked for me, either the 11.04 dvd or 10.10 desktop iso just keep having x crash and freeze
[02:34]  * psusi facepalms... been forgetting to use -m... apparently 384 megs of ram makes Ubuntu piss itself these days
[11:42] <Wipster> could someone clarify what I need to do about this comment? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/776396 I have installed the debug symbols just started apport and the xserver did its lockup and restart, where can I find this 'full backtrace' ?
[11:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 776396 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xserver crashes and restarts (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Incomplete]
[13:42] <fi8er1> Cannot change functionality of Super-Key
[14:06] <hggdh> ?
[14:35] <dob1> hi, i have installed sun jdk on 11.04, now i want to install groovy but ubuntu want to install openjdk and it doesn't use sun-jdk that is just installed, this is a bug?
[14:53] <ikt> what is groovy?
[14:56] <yofel> modified java language it seems. The problem here is that it depends on default-jdk and that has a hard dependency on openjdk-6-jdk
[14:57] <yofel> not sure if that's a bug. It's right that groovy doesn't directly depend on a jdk but on the meta package, but I don't find it very elegant that that only provides openjdk
[14:59] <yofel> dob1: well, you can switch all the java alternatives to sun using update-alternatives|kalternatives|galternatives at least
[14:59] <dob1> it's a jdk language, like scala, clojure etc
[14:59] <yofel> it sure is a waste of disk space though
[15:00] <dob1> yofel: i checked update-alternatives --config java, and i have only sun java as default
[15:01] <dob1> yofel: as you said the problem is the default-jdk
[15:02] <dob1> it's not very nice to install openjdk too
[15:05] <dob1> for example scala is another java language, but it has not these problem, it doesn't require openjdk to be installed
[15:08] <yofel> true, it has an alternate dependency like it should. File it against groovy then, sun-java6 "Provides: java-compiler, java-sdk, java2-compiler, java2-sdk, java5-sdk, java6-sdk"
[15:08] <yofel> giving it an alternate depends on one of that should be the right thing
[16:14] <kille3> Why some of the programs what are planned to hide to panel will seem like they are shut down, but the process is still working on background?
[16:14] <kille3> Is it a bug in gnome panel?
[16:20] <charlie-tca> kille3: it depends on the application, but most that go to the panel when you tell it quit are designed that way.
[16:23] <kille3> Umm I mean that I cant open them because there is nothing on panel, only way to shutdown them is from process.
[16:23] <seb128> if that's under unity those should be ported to indicators or whitelisted
[16:23] <charlie-tca> That would be a bug, then. They should at least have an icon
[16:23] <seb128> open bugs about specific applicaiton if they don't have one
[16:24] <kille3> So the problem is on applications, not in gnome panel?
[16:31] <Wipster> going to have to turn off the computer soon... how do I generate a 'full backtrace' for xserver for my bug report? I have the debug symbols installed and apport was turned on prior to xrestart but didn't pop up and the /Xorg.0.log.old has the same data in it
[19:42] <RedSingularity> jibel: think this should be filed against U-M?  Issue with the progress bar window.  Maybe gtk?  bug 769817
[19:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 769817 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Installation progress dialog not visible (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769817
[20:29] <JoshuaL> a bug like #777335 is that something to mark as WishList or something that should be pointed to the brainstorm page?
[20:30] <yofel> lp 777335
[20:30] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 777335 in system-config-printer (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Better naming for Printing menu entry (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777335
[20:35] <JoshuaL> thanks yofel, i forgot about that :p
[21:32] <patrickmw> bdmurray: I disconnected for a bit, hopefully I didn't miss your response :)
[21:34] <bdmurray> patrickmw: no because I didn't see your question
[21:35] <patrickmw> bdmurray: what are your thoughts on making a way to mark/notate that a pending sru bug is "in testing progress".  that way subscribers know its being worked on and so it doesn't get worked on by multiple people to eliminate wasted effort?
[21:35] <patrickmw>  I don't want to spam the comments with -- I'm currently testing this bug.   but, it would be nice to see that work is being done on the bug
[21:37] <bdmurray> I don't think there is that much sru verification work being done that there ends up being duplicated effort.  However, if the verification were to take some time a comment might be a good idea.
[21:49] <cepacolmax> howdy
[21:50] <cepacolmax> I seem to have found a bug in how Natty handles [d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true] and [d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true] preseed directives
[21:51] <cepacolmax> that is, it seems to ignore them altogether
[21:56] <maxb> Oh. Really? That would suck very much
[21:56]  * maxb fires up a kvm
[21:56] <cepacolmax> yeah it does
[21:57] <cepacolmax> here's the relevant parts of my preseed:
[21:57] <cepacolmax> d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda
[21:57] <cepacolmax> d-i partman-auto/method string regular
[21:58] <cepacolmax> d-i grub-installer/only_debian boolean true
[21:58] <cepacolmax> d-i grub-installer/with_other_os boolean true
[21:58] <cepacolmax> no matter what I try, I get the prompt for "where do you want to install grub?"
[22:01] <maxb> ugh, i should have removed some of the extra packages from my test preseed
[22:01] <cepacolmax> ha!
[22:04] <cepacolmax> and if I change d-i partman-auto/method string regular -> d-i partman-auto/method string lvm I get an even earlier prompt, at "Write the changes to disks and configure LVM?"
[22:04] <cepacolmax> even though I have d-i partman/confirm_write_new_label boolean true d-i partman/choose_partition select Finish partitioning and write changes to disk d-i partman/confirm boolean true
[22:05] <cepacolmax> so, there seems to be many changes to preseed syntax for Natty and I don't see anything in the changelog for it
[22:05] <cepacolmax> at least not in (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseNotes/)
[22:06] <maxb> cepacolmax: hmm. it worked for me. no prompting in the grub step
[22:07] <cepacolmax> humph.
[22:07] <cepacolmax> willing to share your preseed?
[22:07] <cepacolmax> is it different from http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt ?
[22:08] <roadmr> cepacolmax: um, I've seen some preseed parameters change between versions of d-i (not necessarily Ubuntu-specific, then) without much documentation about the fact
[22:08] <maxb> wait, etch?
[22:08] <roadmr> cepacolmax: like some of the keyboard selection directives I believe
[22:09] <cepacolmax> I did see that in the release notes for Natty
[22:09] <maxb> Yup, I've not got keyboard selection working to my satisfaction in natty yet
[22:09] <cepacolmax> etch is what's linked from the ubuntu howto : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[22:10] <cepacolmax> this guy got his kb to work:
[22:10] <cepacolmax> http://sshrootat.blogspot.com/2011/04/preseeding-ubuntu-natty-1104.html?showComment=1304539004310#c4690327398625143862
[22:13] <cepacolmax> max, if I could see your preseed file, I could diff and maybe see where I'm going wrong
[22:14] <roadmr> cepacolmax: FWIW I have the same preseed stuff as you posted earlier and I don't get asked about partitions, so it looks like that part hasn't changed
[22:14] <cepacolmax> wow.
[22:15] <cepacolmax> is there anywhere to get at logs when I'm doing pxe+preseed?
[22:16] <cepacolmax> I mean, I can flip over to a console and peek in /var/log, but there doesnt seem to be much there?
[22:20] <maxb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/603466/
[22:20] <maxb> cepacolmax: ^
[22:20] <maxb> I think most of the interesting stuff goes to /var/log/syslog in the initrd
[22:22] <roadmr> maxb: you can also modify your pxe files and add log_host=1.2.3.4 log_port=514 to send syslog to a remote host (where you need to enable remote syslog reception as well)
[22:22] <cepacolmax> hmmm
[22:26] <cepacolmax> thanks guys for looking at it.
[22:26] <cepacolmax> I'm gonna go dig thru these two preseed files and find the diffs
[22:34] <maxb> cepacolmax: Let me know if you find it :-)
[22:35] <maxb> Alternatively, post yours, and I'll run it here just to confirm it doesn't just hate you :-)
[22:40] <cepacolmax> maxrb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603472/
[22:44] <smuxi-user-jtayl> how does one set a bug to only affect natty and not oneiric?