[02:19] <genii-around> Woo Tampa Bay!
[02:21]  * genii-around tunes into the Canucks game now\\
[02:27] <ball> GO CANUCKS!
[02:28] <genii-around> Vancouver-Tampa would be an interesting Cup series
[02:29] <genii-around> Gah, Preds first blood
[03:07] <genii-around> Yay, Canucks tied it up
[03:13] <ball> :-)
[04:30] <genii-around> Bleh. Tied 2-2 with 5:02 left
[04:35] <genii-around> Last minute of regulation
[04:36] <genii-around> OT
[04:38] <genii-around> Hm. Coffee or beer, coffee or beer. My eternal dilemma.
[04:42] <IdleOne> beer flavoured coffee
[04:43] <IdleOne> or
[04:43] <IdleOne> whisky flavoured coffee
[04:44] <genii-around> Hm. I have rum. So coffee it will be, and a small splash!
[04:53] <IdleOne> small splash of coffee?
[04:53] <IdleOne> :P
[04:54] <genii-around> Well, pretty much 50/50 actually
[04:54] <IdleOne> hehe
[05:01] <genii-around> Bleh this game looks like it's going to be another gruelling long OT nightmare
[05:10]  * genii-around tries to stay awake
[05:11] <genii-around> YAY CANUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:11] <genii-around> Finally ... ;)
[11:06] <s-fox> o/
[11:06] <s-fox> Hello.
[11:38] <staticsafe> morning s-fox
[11:38] <s-fox> Hello staticsafe . How are you?
[11:38] <staticsafe> s-fox: heh, a little groggy, just woke up
[11:39] <s-fox> Ah,  best get some coffee ;)
[14:43] <dscassel> Morning, folks.
[14:43] <dscassel> Open chat with sabdfl (that's Mark Shuttleworth) in #ubuntu-classroom in about 15 minutes, if you're interested.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[14:47] <BluesKaj> dscassel, it couold be if it wasn't for all his filter flunkies dodging most of the real questions ... mainly full of vague generalities anyway
[14:53] <BluesKaj> dscassel, so unfortunately my experience with the classroom hasn't been very positive
[14:56] <BluesKaj> but I'l try again
[15:13] <BluesKaj> dscassel,  my question is being filtered ...cannot send to channel ..heh
[15:14] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You're asking the Q in #ubuntu-classroom-chat ?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> in #ubuntu-classromm
[15:15] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu-classroom even
[15:16] <dscassel> Yeah, you need to ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[15:16] <genii-around> Hm "rolling releases are a very interesting concept"
[15:18] <genii-around> BluesKaj: You ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat, prefaced with QUESTION: or Question:   and then the bot grabs them, sorts them, etc, then the person responds to the Q in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:18] <BluesKaj> that's dumb
[15:18] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Prevents the channel in which replies are being made from being spammed
[15:18] <dscassel> It would be insanity to just have everybody in the one channel.
[15:19] <dscassel> Downside of doing these things in IRC.
[15:19] <genii-around> Yup
[15:19] <dscassel> There's a tool called Lernid that's supposed to make the process easier.
[15:19] <dscassel> But I don't think it's being developed anymore.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> dscassel, well they filter a lot of questions anyway ...fewer questions are answered than asked by a large mrgin
[15:32] <bregma> when you're running a session, you get really busy
[15:32] <bregma> and really stressed
[15:33] <bregma> but when I ran a session a couple weeks ago, I got all the questions answered
[15:33] <dscassel> Mark's a bit of a special case. There's no way he could answer everything.
[15:34] <dscassel> BluesKaj: There's also things like Ubuntu Developer Week, where you can ask questions of lesser Ubuntu people.
[15:34] <dscassel> Not quite as exciting, but you probably stand a better chance of getting an aswer.
[15:35] <dscassel> I can always use help getting the word out about these things. :)
[15:36] <BluesKaj> well dscassel I asked a specific kde wifi driver/knwtwork manager question and of course it was passed over :)
[15:37] <genii-around> Thats more like a tech support Q though
[15:40] <dscassel> Yeah, Mark's a big picture kind of guy. :)
[15:41] <dscassel> Something about the status of the kubuntu project or Canonical embracing Qt would probably work better.
[16:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, vague general stuff...really, who cares ..it doesn't do anything
[16:01] <dscassel> If you want it to *do* something, participate in UDS. :)
[16:02] <BluesKaj> dscassel, sure ..asking for a kde classroom ...is that too much to ask ? :)
[16:03] <BluesKaj> ubuntu generalities doesn't do much for KDE
[16:03] <dscassel> This is a participatory, volunteer culture. If you want to see something done, the best way is to do it yourself. :)
[16:03]  * dscassel wouldn't be here otherwise...
[16:04] <BluesKaj> bah dscassel , that's a bit disingenuous , do it yourself ..c'mon now that's not a fair answer
[16:05] <dscassel> It isn't? :)
[16:05] <genii-around> dscassel: BTW, stuck an Ubuntu Canada pin on my netbook case, had already 3-4 questions about it in only a couple days
[16:05] <dscassel> That's kinda what the open source community's all about. Scratch your own itch.
[16:05] <dscassel> genii-around: Awesome. :D
[16:06] <BluesKaj> dscassel, if you have the means to scratch, yes, to follow your analogy
[16:08] <dscassel> BluesKaj: That's why Linux has always struggled to cater to non-technical users.
[16:08] <dscassel> Ubuntu's come some way in rectifying that...
[16:08] <dscassel> mostly by creating this community infrastructure.
[16:09] <dscassel> But even that takes work.  It doesn't come for free.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> all I asked for was a KDE classroom ... but gnome rules
[16:09] <dscassel> Fortunately, most people can contibute on the community side...
[16:09] <dscassel> You mean an IRC channel?
[16:10] <dscassel> Or sessions in developer week?
[16:10] <dscassel> Anybody can do classroom sessions. Although there's a limited amount of space in the designated weeks.
[16:10] <dscassel> But there's no reason someone couldn't start a Kbuntu week.
[16:11] <dscassel> And round up a bunch of smart and knowledgeable Kubuntu people to do sessions.
[16:11]  * genii-around thinks about jabbity-jabbing J Riddell
[16:11] <dscassel> Like txwikinger  :)
[16:11] <BluesKaj> dscassel, no a classroom for kde users similar to the ubuntu-classroom , that's all and we don't need mark sd , just some knowledgeable ppl to help us help
[16:11] <dscassel> You can start a new channel. That's not a big deal. But ubuntu-classroom sits idle most of the time.
[16:12] <dscassel> And there's already infrastructure to support it. So why not use that?
[16:12] <genii-around> Right now actually, the instructor for next topic in -classroom did not show. Anyone could volunteer to fill the spot with something Kubuntu related, but no one is stepping up
[16:12] <BluesKaj> NM, this is a waste of time ..
[16:21] <dscassel> BluesKaj: txwikinger is on the community council for kubuntu-de.  There are people around who can help make these things happen. But it may take more to see it happen than just float the idea, is all I'm saying.
[16:25] <BluesKaj> dscassel, yes understood , it would be beneficial to ppl like me who need technical expertise in kde rather than learning from the few volunteers who actually give of their time and knowledge in #kubuntu
[17:45] <BluesKaj> stuff to do ...BBL
[17:52] <s-fox> TTFN