[05:57] aha, thanks [06:42] duanedesign: ^^ [06:55] Morning dpm [06:55] hey nigelb :) [06:55] good morning all [08:15] I need to step out for a bit, I'll be back in ~1.5 h [09:00] morning everyone === daker_ is now known as daker === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [14:28] doctormo: mhall119: you guys ready to rock your sessions today? [14:36] joey: linaro-platforms has some sessions that need to be approved in launchpad [14:36] other than that, things are looking awesome [15:55] doctormo: ready? [16:01] is he online? [16:01] I panged him earlier [16:01] let's give him 5 [16:07] anyone running natty on macbookpro .. is the +mac iso preferred, or the normal one [16:07] depends [16:07] will you dual boot or wipe osx out? [16:07] dual boot I guess [16:07] ok, do this then:- [16:07] 1. install refit [16:08] 2. use disk utility to resize osx partition down a bit to make room [16:08] 3. reboot to make sure you get the refit menu [16:08] 4. insert ubuntu cd (normal stock one) and boot to it [16:08] cool got it [16:08] 5. install ubuntu to the new partition, install grub to that partition _not_ the first one or the start of the disk [16:08] that should do you [16:09] ok that last one is important :) [16:09] popey: thanks a lot for the detailed reply [16:09] np [16:09] popey: I take it the +mac iso has efi enabled ? is that useful in any way (never used it) [16:09] yes [16:09] but it seems broken [16:10] there's a nasty bug where it renders the mac unbootable [16:10] ah ok then [16:10] cjwatson is aware of it ;) [16:10] great :) [16:11] popey: in your experience, is running natty on mac hardware better/worse/equal to running it on non macs [16:11] I've seen some horrible bugs (no fans, no video, no nic ..) [16:12] and you mentioned no boot :) [16:12] worse [16:12] the trackpad is skippy [16:13] the keyboard lights and screen backlight dont work till you install pommed and some stuff from a mac ppa [16:13] which generation mbp is it? [16:13] 7.1 [16:13] same as mine [16:13] 13"? [16:13] https://launchpad.net/~mactel-support/+archive/ppa [16:13] yes [16:13] bookmark that [16:13] \o/ laptop twins [16:13] ahem [16:13] hehe [16:14] popey: so after all the quirks are applied, anything badly broken ? [16:14] anyway, yes, it's not perfect [16:14] battery life is awful [16:14] no, suspend works [16:14] sound works, wifi works with non-free crapware [16:14] nvidia driver seems suboptimal imo [16:14] I wonder if running under vbox would be better hehe :) [16:14] so unity sucks massive donkey balls on nvidia (IMO) [16:14] popey: want to sub in for 45 minutes about something? [16:14] jcastro: rant about unity? [16:14] hah [16:15] nvidia works awesome for me in unity [16:15] I dont really have anything interesting to say [16:15] it appears to be problematic in 11.04 though [16:15] I am seeing more complaints than normal about nvidia [16:15] yup [16:15] its poor [16:15] I thought nvidia was the one that worked [16:15] + optimus people are totally boned [16:15] kim0: yes, usually thats the case [16:15] the current nvidia driver is pretty awful [16:16] e.g. EDID stuff is properly broken, so it doesn't detect the right monitor resolution most of the time [16:16] popey: not having any problem with Unity on nvidia on my MBP [16:16] mhall119: you're all set for your session in 45? [16:16] Technoviking: performance is the issue [16:16] ALT+TAB performance for example on unity is _awful_ [16:16] even on nvidia [16:16] yeah I get that too on an nvidia [16:17] it might not be nvidia related though [16:17] yeah kim0 turned off previews iirc? [16:17] yeah [16:17] still wasn't good [16:17] I think part of the problem with people complaining with nvidia (the new users) [16:17] is we tell them "you can't run unity, here's classic" [16:17] jcastro: yup, I won't abandon you ;) [16:17] instead of "you can't run unity" and then fire up jockey right then and there [16:18] so the person logs into classic and they already assume something is wrong [16:18] when really jockey just needs to connect to the innerwebs to get the driver [16:18] here is my xorg.cong, work pretty well [16:18] you dont need jockey jcastro if you tick "Install evil" during unity [16:18] Section "Device" Identifier "Default Device" Driver "nvidia" Option "NoLogo" "True" Option "Coolbits" "1" Option "RegistryDwords" "PowerMizerEnable=0x1; PerfLevel [16:19] that installs nvidia driver under the covers [16:19] Src=0x2222; PowerMizerLevel=0x3; PowerMizerDefaultAC=0x3; EnableBrightnessContro [16:19] no need for jockey [16:19] popey: right, or as part of the "mp3 checkbox" [16:19] l=1" [16:19] EndSection [16:19] Section "InputClass" MatchIsTouchpad "true" Identifier "Multitouch Touchpad" Driver "multitouch" MatchDevicePath "/dev/input/event*" [16:19] popey: "Make my computer work" [16:19] EndSection [16:19] damnit, that was weird [16:19] Technoviking: pastebin! [16:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/603308/ [16:19] yes [16:19] feeling pastey today [16:19] so, sorry, thought I had copied my pastebin link [16:20] mhall119: you all set? I'd like to snag lunch [16:20] jcastro: yup === salgado is now known as salgado-lunch [16:43] mhall119: oh, a bunch of summit bugs? :( [16:43] what? [16:43] talk to nigelb, he's the primary developer now [16:44] bah [16:44] jcastro: ack. I've found them [16:45] mhall119: is there a reason why summit is running with debug = True in production? [16:45] Daviey: ^^ [16:55] howdy [16:55] hey cjohnston [16:55] cjohnston: summit b0rks with linaro-toolchain track view [16:56] looking [16:56] I'm trying to look too. [16:56] nigelb: no good reason I'm sure [16:57] mhall119: heh [16:57] I cant get power mgmt to load either [16:57] mhall119: I have a suggestion to fix that. Will point that out in summit session ^-^ [16:58] k.. now power works [16:58] mhall119: lol, your favorite function is borking. render.py [16:58] *libary [16:59] module [17:02] do we know that the page has worked in the past? [17:03] well, its a new track [17:03] hmm [17:09] cjohnston: I think that linaro thing has somethibng to with clearing cache :p [17:11] jcastro: is it legit for me to change someone who I know is going to be at UDS but summit says has not registered as "uds-o" and mark him as attending uds-o? [17:11] I need to add busy time [17:13] joey: cant you just poke them to register? [17:14] czajkowski: I can't directly no. It's a special guest, not a regular participant. They said they registered but I only saw a UDS-M record. So I just changed M to O [17:14] fair enough [17:15] jcastro: is jono online today? [17:26] popey: zomg [17:26] popey: minecraft. is. awesome. [17:32] Howdy, next question.. when will the "Hide talks that aren't for me" button on each day work? [17:32] for me it just adds a "#" [17:32] joey: yeah, we have a new bug for that. [17:33] joey: I don't think we have time for it this time, but it will be top of my list next time [17:33] oh drat. Linaro has published docs to outside attendees to use that button [17:33] oh hell. [17:33] they go to summit.linaro.org and then press that button [17:33] Let me try to fix it asap [17:33] that shows them only their own linaro stuff [17:34] then there's something /very/ small going wrong \o/ [17:34] Could be fixed [17:35] meanwhile I'll try to get an amendment out that says that button may not work due to technical difficulties and redirect them to the .ical ...but that's probably not an easy way for them to navigate [17:35] yeah [17:36] I have nothing better to do on my flight back + airport tomorrow. [17:36] I might work on it [17:51] ok, see you all tomorrow! === salgado-lunch is now known as salgado [18:16] yikes, summit crash [18:16] TypeError: not enough arguments for format string [18:16] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/2011-05-11/ [18:18] and we're back [18:18] oh we're not [18:18] jcastro: wed is broken [18:18] ugh [18:18] something bad happened [18:18] what were you doing when it broke? [18:19] just viewing [18:19] I'm on the phone with Linaro trying to figure out some private meetings [18:20] ok [18:20] ping me when you're off the phone so we can chat about Matt's email [18:20] Daviey: around? [18:21] someone clear the cache. I think that's the soruce of our trouble... [18:21] jcastro: I've asked for clarification because I don't know what it pertains too [18:21] is james or salgado still available to implement that? [18:29] jono: we still on for our call later on ? [18:30] czajkowski, yup :-) [18:30] jono: great [18:30] :) [18:30] tons to catch you up on [18:30] :-) [18:30] in a good way dont panic [18:30] :) === daker is now known as daker_ [19:00] http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/post-penguicon-unity-unification-story [19:00] jono: that's the result of my panel [19:01] jcastro: Did "hide tracks that aren't for me" ever work? [19:01] jcastro: or did it stop working this time [19:01] nigelb: like 2 years ago [19:01] jcastro: hrm, it stoped working later? [19:01] and it's been in some inconsistant state ever since [19:01] don't remember [19:01] jcastro: ouch. I'll try to fix it for the linaro folks over the next 2 days. I don't know if I will be sucessfull or not yet. [19:03] nigelb: I don't recommend something that will be invasive [19:04] we have like, 2 working days until UDS [19:04] better something that doesn't work than something that breaks? :) [19:05] hrm, I really can't work on this without my home laptop :\ [19:05] I would rather just comment out the links in the view [19:06] jcastro: apparently, that went into the linaro instructions :/ [19:06] jcastro: but yeah, commenting is possible [19:07] ah [19:07] joey: this and the other fixes you want are your call. [19:07] joey: as long as salgado, james, and daviey concur [19:07] jcastro: yeah. [19:08] if we end up how wednesday looks right now I will not hesistate to blame you when people want my head. :) [19:08] jcastro: where is Daviey, I think mod_wsgi needs a restart [19:08] nigelb: he's in budapest [19:08] nigelb: I'll pop in and poke IS [19:08] jcastro: james_w` too? [19:09] joey: what are the fixes that you /need/ to have besides this so I can take a poke? [19:09] nigelb: just the hide me [19:09] okays [19:10] nigelb: I think everyone will want that feature :-) [19:10] heh [19:10] yeah [19:11] nigelb: I filed an RT [19:11] jcastro: okay! If that fails, let me know. I'll dig deeper. [19:12] I CCed Daviey [19:12] since he's onsite I'm sure he'll follow up with IS IRL. [19:12] he'd Pm'd me a while back about etherpad [19:13] what'd he say? [19:13] I guess it's looking like a Go with etherpad last I heard? [19:13] but I need to hear it from Daviey first [19:13] I'm trying to write a plugin/patch that will autopopulate username [19:13] *trying* [19:13] on the mobile app it has a "your personal schedule" [19:14] wow [19:14] nice [19:14] for next time we should make that populate with the one from summit [19:14] it's not connected now [19:14] man, the android app is sweet [19:14] it has the map in it [19:14] wow [19:14] WOW [19:14] Do we have an LD app yet? ;) [19:14] We should if there isn't [19:15] "take me to the event" [19:15] and then the maps kick in [19:15] that would be bad ass [19:15] exactly [19:15] "I couldn't find the bar, but the app took me here." [19:15] * nigelb plots discussing this at loco-directory session [19:15] haha [19:20] nigelb: you gotta show up [19:20] mhall119: well, remote will work too. [19:20] mhall119: I don't have much hope of showing up unless a miracle happens tomorrow [19:20] no, you gotta be there or I won't attend [19:20] aww [19:20] mhall119: I love you too :) [19:25] :P [19:27] mhall119: do you know what's happening with linaro-toolchain and wednesday schedule? [19:27] mhall119: I diagnose it as something to do with cache, but can you confirm that? [19:29] joey, did you see my reply about theming linaro tracks on summit.u.c? [19:29] salgado: not yet sorry, I'm knee deep in setting busy time via the admin panel [19:30] I can stop in about 3 mins [19:30] joey, ok, just asking because if we want to give that a try we'll need to coordinate with IS as all the changes would happen in their land [19:32] salgado: ok, just read your reply. The solution seems logical and straightforward... just need to find the right expression for it. Can you deduce that and then have IS deploy it please? [19:33] * joey hates...really hates... doing this stuff last minute. [19:33] at least it'll all be reusable [19:33] joey: heh, welcome to summit development ;) [19:34] :-) It's the 11th hour requests that bother me. And the 11th hour started when we opened summit for population [19:34] I want to see if salgado, jcastro, and myself can get purple hearts for this ;-) [19:34] heh [19:35] you might get shot in the heart possibly :p [19:35] don't look at me, I've been extracted and am almost home! [19:35] jcastro: then who's fixing wednesday! I need to schedule! :-) [19:36] I filed an RT [19:39] nigelb: got a link to the linary-toolchain issue? [19:39] mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-toolchain [19:39] pretty [19:39] hah [19:40] have i mentioned that I hate render.py? [19:40] yes, join the club. cjohnston will give you your formal orientation [19:41] heh [19:42] if I had time, I'd order us all t-shirts for UDS that say "I hate render.py" [19:42] oh, I can get it done ;) [19:45] but you can't get to UDS [19:46] I can post it [19:46] jcastro: dude you're not in the system for uds-o! [19:46] lol [19:47] eh? [19:47] in launchpad? [19:47] summit [19:47] there's no uds-o entry for you [19:48] lol [19:48] oh wut [19:48] You were invited to a private linaro meeting about UDS... a "what could we do better" meeting [19:48] I wasn't registered in launchpad [19:48] weird [19:48] I registered the day I made it [19:48] joey: I'm not the summit guy [19:48] that's all you [19:49] I see K through N but no O [19:49] I just regged [19:49] give it an hour [19:49] http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/attendee/?q=castro [19:49] :-) [19:50] ugh [19:50] now I need to recheck my sessions [19:50] It means I haven't been conflict resolutioned this whole time [19:50] (nice grammer Castro) [19:50] and spelling apparently [19:50] lol [19:51] hahah [19:51] mhall119: is the linaro summit instance supposed to have linaro_only in request.GET automatically? [19:51] mhall119: if so, how do I set that? [19:52] *if not so [19:55] joey: do any meetings in linary-toolchain track have a % symbol in their name or description? [19:56] nigelb: I think LINARO_ONLY is in settings.py [19:56] not in the requests [19:56] mhall119: ah [19:56] and it get set depending on environment variables [19:56] mhall119: surely not in the name but maybe in the desc. I can check [19:56] joey: that might be causing our error... [19:57] * joey checks [19:57] * nigelb --> sleep [19:59] mhall119: the blueprints I can see don't seem to have a % in the desc. It should be forbidden in the name but not the desc [20:00] joey: whatever meeting is causing the problem, it looks to be scheduled for the 11th [20:00] lol [20:00] this is great https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o?searchtext=%25 [20:01] can you just check which linaro-toolchain tracked meetings are scheduled for the 11th? [20:02] Daviey: can I just get access to the summit admin? [20:02] I promise not to break stuff [20:02] I just went through all the toolchain ones [20:02] are you able to pin it down further? [20:04] just that it's one of the ones on the 11th [20:04] can you give me their blueprint urls? [20:05] mhall119: I can add you to admin [20:05] what's your username? [20:05] jcastro: mhall119 [20:06] mhall119: we need to talk about ACLs for this thing at some point [20:06] I've just been adding people over the years [20:06] mhall119: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-o?searchtext=linaro-toolchain [20:06] jcastro: extauth, ftw [20:07] I would like to inherit permissions from the ubuntu project too [20:07] btw, I've just filed this after speaking with the LP team. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/777357 [20:07] Launchpad bug 777357 in launchpad "Searches containing a percent sign generates an oops" [Undecided,New] [20:07] so like, if your TB or coredev you should be able to move a session for crying out loud [20:07] yay \o/ [20:08] I was just about to throw a strop about the continued lack of etherpad [20:08] and it is there \o/ [20:08] and if you're in kubuntu and your session is kubuntu oriented then that sorts that [20:08] things like that [20:12] joey: http://summit.ubuntu.com/admin/schedule/meeting/16429/ [20:12] in the wiki url, there is a % [20:12] that might be it [20:13] I'll change it and we'l see [20:13] mhall119: yay! [20:13] that was it [20:14] you can probably replace %20 with + in the url and have it work [20:14] also, I'd like to once again state how absolutely horrible render.py is [20:14] mhall119: however now this is busted http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-toolchain/ [20:14] so who has the admin password for pad.ubuntu.com? [20:15] whoever set it up [20:15] I didn't even know that was up! [20:15] joey: it could be that it's still just in cache [20:16] joey: the per-track view caches chunks of html, including the one that was causing the problem, it'll probably sort itself out once the cache expires [20:16] mhall119: could be. Next run fix it maybe? [20:16] not sure when cache gets dumped, depends on what it's using I think [20:17] restarting the django processes would do it if it's in-memory [20:17] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/community-o-accessibility-team/ needs the hashtag plugin turned on [20:18] AlanBell: real close, I doubt we'll have time to stress test, I hope they overprovisioned the HW [20:19] joey, so, it turns out we can't do what I'd suggested. the only thing I think we can do is redirect to summit.l.o when somebody clicks on a linaro track [20:20] salgado: ok. I've got it on the linaro summit enhancements page for next round. Maybe when life isn't so stressful we can take another look at it [20:20] salgado: thanks for checking [20:21] I love http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFXP-eEVVXg so much [20:22] joey, np [20:35] man [20:35] I just found the best Unity comment so far [20:35] "You want me to use what? Let me tell you this young man,we Australopithecines have been making and using the same tried and true stone axes for over a million years.Why would anyone want to ruin a good thing by putting a wooden handle on it?" [20:36] jono: omg [20:36] jono: his facial expressions make it look like he's really singing that [20:36] jcastro, amazing, eh? [20:37] jcastro, check it out at 1.34 [20:41] jono: also, I came to a realization [20:41] I was watching the Rush documentary and Vinnie Paul is in it [20:41] now with him in mind.... [20:41] Tell me this isn't JFo: http://img.listal.com/image/373308/600full-vinnie-paul.jpg [20:42] dude, I should cut my goatee down to look like his [20:42] :-) [20:42] you need to get that double side thing going [20:42] heh [20:42] http://pulpmagazinelive.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/0424vinniepaul.jpg [20:42] dude [20:42] that reminds me, I need some do rags :) [20:43] I will pay you like ... 20 bucks [20:43] if you show up to UDS like that [20:44] I'd need to dye my hair [20:44] and grow out the beard [20:44] hmmm [20:45] and I don't have a nose ring [20:45] :-) === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [20:46] jcastro, maybe I can hook that up for 11.11 :) [20:48] can someone find charlie S in canonical IS at UDS and give him a hg from me and buy him a pint on me, he really has made dealing with Is for locteam issues sooooo easy this cycle! [20:50] I have dibs on the pint :-) [20:50] someone else gets to hug him :-P [20:52] hmm, I guess P is happening in October... dunno why I was thinking it was in Nov [20:52] so strike that 11.11 and make it 11.10 [20:52] :-P [20:58] czajkowski: I owe him too, I'll get him one on your behalf! [20:58] Withhold the beer from Charlie until the wiki is fixed! [20:58] or [20:58] give him double portions of beer and get him to just shut it down [20:58] lol [20:59] "haha, this beer is from laura." then when he starts drinking in I pour one in his lap "and this one is from popey" [20:59]