[00:22] Hi, is there some markup language that generates moinmoin wiki (for w.u.c), html, and pdf easily ? [00:36] kim0: not sure, what do you need all of that for? [00:43] jbicha, any pages you need focused on tonight? [00:43] or just do whatever [00:43] nothing in particular, did you see my email this morning? [00:43] umm [00:43] let me look [00:44] what was it titled [00:44] Driver doc page [00:45] gotcha [00:45] I can fix that [00:46] personally I'm mostly done with the Natty docs and we're not ready to mess with Oneiric yet [00:46] k [00:46] Im also starting with with ubuntu-manual [00:47] so I'm working with gnome 3 packaging stuff for fun, and I'll also work with Gnome upstream docs if I make time for it [00:47] yeah I'll try to figure out the gnome stuff [00:47] any idea when oneiric work will start? [00:47] Natty has 2 printing pages that need done, install a printer and set as default but it may take me a few days to get to it [00:48] I can do that today maybe [00:48] Ill put natty on a live cd and run it on my downstairs PC [00:50] oneiric can start once we get natty finalized, starting before that means we have to merge any natty changes [00:51] and you can make your own branches for stuff if you want to try something different [00:51] or have changes that aren't ready for our main branch or something [00:52] a bzr shared repo would probably be handy for working with multiple branches but I haven't learned how to effectively use one yet [00:56] was talking to j1mc yesterday [00:56] about setting deadlines more specifically [00:58] the way I understand the freeze we're in now for Natty is we can still make necessary changes and we can still add content but we shouldn't make other changes [00:58] so as not to annoy our translators [00:58] true [00:58] so now just work on stuff like stubs [00:59] not exactly, a lot of those stubs were just for brainstorming and we don't necessarily need them now [00:59] k [01:00] I was confused on that myself, the first thing I did was spend a bunch of time on the cheese stub which worked and is useful [01:00] how long have you been working on ubuntu-docs ? [01:01] but we don't necessarily need the other app- stubs now, I think Gnome's idea was it was supposed to be a quick advertisement [01:01] with an install link or documentation link [01:01] a few weeks but I was interested for a year [01:01] ahh cool [01:02] I'm trying to pick this up quickly, appreciate the tips and pointers [01:02] yeah, no problem, we have to keep new contributors happy or they'll find something else to do :-) [01:03] hehe [01:03] feed us more hot pockets ;-) [01:07] jbicha, one Q for you, how often do our commits get pushed to updates? [01:08] well, all SRUs have to get approval from the SRU team and first go to -proposed [01:08] gotcha [01:08] then if enough good feedback is received on the SRU bug, it is then pushed to -updates [01:09] how long does that usually take? [01:09] it could be a few days, if there's no feedback then it can even get removed from -proposed without going to -updates [01:10] oh interesting [01:10] still learning the ropes around here hehe [01:10] there's a process for everything :-) [01:13] SRUs and backports are a bit of a hassle, it's a lot easier to get stuff fixed before release freeze [01:13] yeah [01:13] also, what about editing the official wiki? [01:15] anyone can do that, do enough good stuff and you can get wiki admin prilileges to edit restricted page or delete pages [01:15] ahh cool :) [01:16] was referring to: http://help.ubuntu.com/ [01:16] like the official documentation wik [01:16] that just our .pages ? [01:18] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com [01:18] oh cool [01:18] and help.ubuntu.com pulls from there overnight or something [01:18] ahh nice :) [01:18] that doesn't need SRU or anything [01:18] very cool [01:19] going to pull that branch [01:19] mdke syncs our branch with that one as needed [01:19] gotcha [01:19] do you work much with that branch? [01:20] no, it's just snapshots of the other branches [01:20] okay [01:28] jbicha, any projects you can reccomend to work on besides ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-manual? [01:30] there's the server guide, kubuntu-docs, etc. [01:30] okay :) [01:30] you can find some app that needs better docs, like this one for instance: [01:30] https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/DocRewrite [01:31] thanks :) [01:31] there are apps that no one is working on yet, so you can write the whole thing if you want [01:31] but you probably should work with somebody at first to help you with syntax & writing style [01:38] just requested permissions to the gitorious [01:38] on that app [01:39] thanks for all the help jbicha :-) [01:41] I'd expect you should introduce yourself too [02:07] in the mailing list? [02:15] if you're asking for commit access, the people controlling that want to know you are [02:15] good point [02:15] just list my experience? [02:15] yeah, just say who you're are, what you've done, and why you need it [02:16] some people like to see patches first, I don't know about this group [02:17] "why you need it" Should I ask up front then? like "im requesting..." [02:29] not sure I understand you, but you should say something about why you requested commit privileges [02:29] oh [02:29] already sent :/ [02:56] I meant "introduce yourself to the guys using gitorious" but it's good anyway [02:56] ohhhhh [02:56] whoooooops [02:58] because I'm not part of the Evolution docs rewrite, just mentioned it as an example [02:58] thought you meant for the Ubuntu-docs team [02:58] whoopsie... [07:43] jbicha, you online? [07:44] jbicha, if so: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1562 [07:44] fixed that drivers page, or just check your email === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum [22:32] jbicha, you here? === Captainkrtek is now known as feeyoisthebest === feeyoisthebest is now known as Captainkrtek [23:42] hey Rocket2DMn you have commit rights ? [23:44] hi Captainkrtek , yes i do [23:45] could you look at this patch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1562 [23:46] i'm seeing some spelling mistakes [23:46] oh [23:46] let me fix those [23:46] "that beings with" "for thee word"... [23:47] whoops [23:47] Hardward section [23:48] ill fix all those, one sec [23:49]

1. Run the command - you dont need to number the list manualy [23:49] Rocket2DMn, I ported this document from the official wiki [23:49] I know, I had some issues with getting sub-lists [23:50] i expect you should be able to embed lists in mallard [23:50] I tried using [23:50] tbh i'm not a big fan of porting much wiki documentation to the system docs, so much of it is very specific and difficult to maintain [23:50] it was a syntax nightmare to embed it [23:50] yeah [23:51] anyway, you could probably do

... [23:51] may not need the

[23:51] tried [23:51] didn't work [23:51] :/ [23:52] hmm documentation seems to indicate that you can [23:52] I did follow the documentation [23:52] let me try again [23:53] looks like there is a "type" attribute so you can number the list with "numbered" value if that's what oy uwant [23:53] yeah [23:54] [23:54] im trying it again [23:55] i would take out all the links to the wiki anchors [23:55] all the other wiki docs online? [23:55] not saying dont link to the wiki where appropriate, but were you have something like: Run the command sudo iwlist [23:56] yeah [23:56] true [23:56] not sure if that's just the diff causing problems, but i wouldnt break up a link across lines either [23:57] that's a rather large diff, i dont really have time to review it all right now, i literally just walked in from work when i logged in, gotta go make some dinner here shortly [23:57] okay no problem [23:57] ill keep working on it [23:58] in any case, i wouldnt let the directions get too technical, there is no need to maintain complex directions in the system docs ,you can always link to the wiki for additional support [23:59] common troubleshooting steps are good to have though [23:59] yeah [23:59] true [23:59] ill remove some of the steps [23:59] like i said, i havent reviewed it all, there could be some great directions in there, it's difficult to see from the diff how complex or difficult they are to follow