[00:22] <kim0> Hi, is there some markup language that generates moinmoin wiki (for w.u.c), html, and pdf easily ?
[00:36] <jbicha> kim0: not sure, what do you need all of that for?
[00:43] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, any pages you need focused on tonight?
[00:43] <Captainkrtek> or just do whatever
[00:43] <jbicha> nothing in particular, did you see my email this morning?
[00:43] <Captainkrtek> umm
[00:43] <Captainkrtek> let me look
[00:44] <Captainkrtek> what was it titled
[00:44] <jbicha> Driver doc page
[00:45] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[00:45] <Captainkrtek> I can fix that
[00:46] <jbicha> personally I'm mostly done with the Natty docs and we're not ready to mess with Oneiric yet
[00:46] <Captainkrtek> k
[00:46] <Captainkrtek> Im also starting with with ubuntu-manual
[00:47] <jbicha> so I'm working with gnome 3 packaging stuff for fun, and I'll also work with Gnome upstream docs if I make time for it
[00:47] <Captainkrtek> yeah I'll try to figure out the gnome stuff
[00:47] <Captainkrtek> any idea when oneiric work will start?
[00:47] <jbicha> Natty has 2 printing pages that need done, install a printer and set as default but it may take me a few days to get to it
[00:48] <Captainkrtek> I can do that today maybe
[00:48] <Captainkrtek> Ill put natty on a live cd and run it on my downstairs PC
[00:50] <jbicha> oneiric can start once we get natty finalized,  starting before that means we have to merge any natty changes
[00:51] <jbicha> and you can make your own branches for stuff if you want to try something different
[00:51] <jbicha> or have changes that aren't ready for our main branch or something
[00:52] <jbicha> a bzr shared repo would probably be handy for working with multiple branches but I haven't learned how to effectively use one yet
[00:56] <Captainkrtek> was talking to j1mc yesterday
[00:56] <Captainkrtek> about setting deadlines more specifically
[00:58] <jbicha> the way I understand the freeze we're in now for Natty is we can still make necessary changes and we can still add content but we shouldn't make other changes
[00:58] <jbicha> so as not to annoy our translators
[00:58] <Captainkrtek> true
[00:58] <Captainkrtek> so now just work on stuff like stubs
[00:59] <jbicha> not exactly, a lot of those stubs were just for brainstorming and we don't necessarily need them now
[00:59] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:00] <jbicha> I was confused on that myself, the first thing I did was spend a bunch of time on the cheese stub which worked and is useful
[01:00] <Captainkrtek> how long have you been working on ubuntu-docs ?
[01:01] <jbicha> but we don't necessarily need the other app- stubs now, I think Gnome's idea was it was supposed to be a quick advertisement
[01:01] <jbicha> with an install link or documentation link
[01:01] <jbicha> a few weeks but I was interested for a year
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> ahh cool
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> I'm trying to pick this up quickly, appreciate the tips and pointers
[01:02] <jbicha> yeah, no problem, we have to keep new contributors happy or they'll find something else to do :-)
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> feed us more hot pockets ;-)
[01:07] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, one Q for you, how often do our commits get pushed to updates?
[01:08] <jbicha> well, all SRUs have to get approval from the SRU team and first go to -proposed
[01:08] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[01:08] <jbicha> then if enough good feedback is received on the SRU bug, it is then pushed to -updates
[01:09] <Captainkrtek> how long does that usually take?
[01:09] <jbicha> it could be a few days, if there's no feedback then it can even get removed from -proposed without going to -updates
[01:10] <Captainkrtek> oh interesting
[01:10] <Captainkrtek> still learning the ropes around here hehe
[01:10] <Captainkrtek> there's a process for everything :-)
[01:13] <jbicha> SRUs and backports are a bit of a hassle, it's a lot easier to get stuff fixed before release freeze
[01:13] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[01:13] <Captainkrtek> also, what about editing the official wiki?
[01:15] <jbicha> anyone can do that, do enough good stuff and you can get wiki admin prilileges to edit restricted page or delete pages
[01:15] <Captainkrtek> ahh cool :)
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> was referring to: http://help.ubuntu.com/
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> like the official documentation wik
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> that just our .pages ?
[01:18] <jbicha> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/help.ubuntu.com
[01:18] <Captainkrtek> oh cool
[01:18] <jbicha> and help.ubuntu.com pulls from there overnight or something
[01:18] <Captainkrtek> ahh nice :)
[01:18] <jbicha> that doesn't need SRU or anything
[01:18] <Captainkrtek> very cool
[01:19] <Captainkrtek> going to pull that branch
[01:19] <jbicha> mdke syncs our branch with that one as needed
[01:19] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[01:19] <Captainkrtek> do you work much with that branch?
[01:20] <jbicha> no, it's just snapshots of the other branches
[01:20] <Captainkrtek> okay
[01:28] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, any projects you can reccomend to work on besides ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-manual?
[01:30] <jbicha> there's the server guide, kubuntu-docs, etc.
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> okay :)
[01:30] <jbicha> you can find some app that needs better docs, like this one for instance:
[01:30] <jbicha> https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/DocRewrite
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> thanks :)
[01:31] <jbicha> there are apps that no one is working on yet, so you can write the whole thing if you want
[01:31] <jbicha> but you probably should work with somebody at first to help you with syntax & writing style
[01:38] <Captainkrtek> just requested permissions to the gitorious
[01:38] <Captainkrtek> on that app
[01:39] <Captainkrtek> thanks for all the help jbicha :-)
[01:41] <jbicha> I'd expect you should introduce yourself too
[02:07] <Captainkrtek> in the mailing list?
[02:15] <jbicha> if you're asking for commit access, the people controlling that want to know you are
[02:15] <Captainkrtek> good point
[02:15] <Captainkrtek> just list my experience?
[02:15] <jbicha> yeah, just say who you're are, what you've done, and why you need it
[02:16] <jbicha> some people like to see patches first, I don't know about this group
[02:17] <Captainkrtek> "why you need it" Should I ask up front then? like "im requesting..."
[02:29] <jbicha> not sure I understand you, but you should say something about why you requested commit privileges
[02:29] <Captainkrtek> oh
[02:29] <Captainkrtek> already sent :/
[02:56] <jbicha> I meant "introduce yourself to the guys using gitorious" but it's good anyway
[02:56] <Captainkrtek> ohhhhh
[02:56] <Captainkrtek> whoooooops
[02:58] <jbicha> because I'm not part of the Evolution docs rewrite, just mentioned it as an example
[02:58] <Captainkrtek> thought you meant for the Ubuntu-docs team
[02:58] <Captainkrtek> whoopsie...
[07:43] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you online?
[07:44] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, if so: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1562
[07:44] <Captainkrtek> fixed that drivers page, or just check your email
[22:32] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you here?
[23:42] <Captainkrtek> hey Rocket2DMn you have commit rights ?
[23:44] <Rocket2DMn> hi Captainkrtek , yes i do
[23:45] <Captainkrtek> could you look at this patch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1562
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> i'm seeing some spelling mistakes
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> oh
[23:46] <Captainkrtek> let me fix those
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> "that beings with" "for thee word"...
[23:47] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[23:47] <Rocket2DMn>  Hardward section
[23:48] <Captainkrtek> ill fix all those, one sec
[23:49] <Rocket2DMn>  <item><p>1. Run the command  - you dont need to number the list manualy
[23:49] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, I ported this document from the official wiki
[23:49] <Captainkrtek> I know, I had some issues with getting sub-lists
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> i expect you should be able to embed lists in mallard
[23:50] <Captainkrtek> I tried using <tree>
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> tbh i'm not a big fan of porting much wiki documentation to the system docs, so much of it is very specific and difficult to maintain
[23:50] <Captainkrtek> it was a syntax nightmare to embed it
[23:50] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:51] <Rocket2DMn> anyway, you could probably do <list><item><p><list>...
[23:51] <Rocket2DMn> may not need the <p>
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> tried
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> didn't work
[23:51] <Captainkrtek> :/
[23:52] <Rocket2DMn> hmm documentation seems to indicate that you can
[23:52] <Captainkrtek> I did follow the documentation
[23:52] <Captainkrtek> let me try again
[23:53] <Rocket2DMn> looks like there is a "type" attribute so you can number the list with "numbered" value if that's what oy uwant
[23:53] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:54] <Captainkrtek> <list type="numbered">
[23:54] <Captainkrtek> im trying it again
[23:55] <Rocket2DMn> i would take out all the links to the wiki anchors
[23:55] <Captainkrtek> all the other wiki docs online?
[23:55] <Rocket2DMn> not saying dont link to the wiki where appropriate, but were you have something like: Run the command <link href="https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Wireless
[23:55] <Rocket2DMn>  
[23:55] <Rocket2DMn> 122
[23:55] <Rocket2DMn> TroubleShootingGuide/Commands#iwlist">sudo iwlist</link>
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:56] <Captainkrtek> true
[23:56] <Rocket2DMn> not sure if that's just the diff causing problems, but i wouldnt break up a link across lines either
[23:57] <Rocket2DMn> that's a rather large diff, i dont really have time to review it all right now, i literally just walked in from work when i logged in, gotta go make some dinner here shortly
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> okay no problem
[23:57] <Captainkrtek> ill keep working on it
[23:58] <Rocket2DMn> in any case, i wouldnt let the directions get too technical, there is no need to maintain complex directions in the system docs ,you can always link to the wiki for additional support
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> common troubleshooting steps are good to have though
[23:59] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[23:59] <Captainkrtek> true
[23:59] <Captainkrtek> ill remove some of the steps
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> like i said, i havent reviewed it all, there could be some great directions in there, it's difficult to see from the diff how complex or difficult they are to follow