[01:15] <LjL> [02:15:02] *** Nisstyre is now known as Mark_Shuttlecock.
[03:48]  * Jordan_U doubts that AlexGer has actually gotten that error from Ubuntu, and further doubts that they have any intention of actually trying Ubuntu.
[03:48] <IdleOne> you mean the camerabin error?
[04:02] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: "No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources." during install.
[04:03] <IdleOne> yeah I looked at scroll back I had confused them with someone else
[04:39] <bazhang> the main helpers razzing unity and telling people to stay away from natty is not acceptable in my opinion
[04:40] <bazhang> pointing out other options, like gnome classic mode, unity 2d and the like are fine, but to say in a somewhat veiled manner -unity sucks- just invites more of the same
[04:40] <IdleOne> +1
[06:04] <Tm_T> bazhang: agreed, support channels are not the place to push anyones opinions
[06:08] <Sterist> does anyone have a contact with the PSubuntu forum?
[06:08] <Sterist> --moderators
[06:09] <IdleOne> PSUbuntu?
[06:09] <Sterist> ps3's ubuntu page
[06:09] <Jordan_U> I would be surprised if anyone did. And this isn't really the place anyway.
[06:09] <IdleOne> Sterist: ah, non-official builds. I don't know...
[06:10] <Sterist> i figured as much but asking in the main channel is pretty much hopeless
[06:10] <Sterist> sorry
[06:10] <IdleOne> there must be a contact us link on their forums
[06:10] <hypatia> whois their domain
[06:10] <hypatia> :D
[06:11] <Sterist> ...there are still official builds cranking out for ps3 (but they dont install) all available from alternate downloads link
[06:11] <Sterist> the forums are dead as a doornail
[06:11] <Sterist> :(
[06:12] <IdleOne> Sterist: what I meant by non-official was that Canonical is not involved afaik. not an official derivative.
[06:14] <Sterist> pretty sure the ps3 builds are run-of-the-mill PPC64
[06:14] <bazhang> #ubuntu-ps3 iirc
[06:14] <Sterist> oooh ty
[06:15] <Sterist> lol you just made it :( oh well, i'll cease convo on this channel. sorry
[08:51] <bazhang> surprised idoru did not get hyu
[08:52] <tsimpson> bazhang: idoru is not in #ubuntu
[08:52] <bazhang> tsimpson, ah sorry, thought it was
[08:52] <tsimpson> it was, but not now
[08:52] <bazhang> must be thinking of another channel
[08:52] <bazhang> ah right
[08:53] <tsimpson> it was decided at a meeting to trial removing it: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/24/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[08:53] <bazhang> okay thanks
[12:06] <bazhang> not sure why someone is using minimal install if they cannot get to the command line
[12:31] <LjL> bots behaved correctly?
[12:31] <bazhang> well they kinda went crazy and all did +q and then -q on a serial spammer <hyu>
[12:31]  * LjL greps
[12:33] <LjL> hmm. well i guess they behaved as expected, mostly (the spam was not of the kind that would trigger a ban) - the bad thing is the multiple -q, i'll have to fix that somehow
[12:34] <LjL> and by the way, on the topic of triggering bans - i've made a change yesterday, now whenever someone is "detected as abusive", they get banned for good
[12:34] <LjL> the !ops message here has been changed to specify that
[12:34] <LjL> and also, they get a PM saying they should join #ubuntu-ops if it's an error
[12:34] <bazhang> added to akick ?
[12:35] <LjL> no no, just banned as opposed to temporarily muted
[12:35] <bazhang> ah right
[12:35] <Flannel> What sort of false positives has that been having?
[12:36] <Flannel> s/sort/percentage/
[12:37] <LjL> Flannel: not many to my knowledge, since it always called !ops in the first place so ops would have complained about any false positives, i imagine ;)
[12:37] <LjL> let me try something
[12:37] <LjL> +q me by nickname and +z the channel please
[12:38] <LjL> (and stay opped if you want to see)
[12:40] <Flannel> in #u?
[12:40] <LjL> yes
[12:40] <LjL> i'm going to spam a little - the +q is so that my spam isn't seen by users
[12:40] <Flannel> mhmm, I gathered as much
[12:41] <Flannel> auto_bleh will remove it in 10 (in case I die, etc, but fair warning)
[12:42] <LjL> did good to test, as it isn't working =)
[12:46]  * LjL is bit puzzled
[12:48] <jussi> LjL: also, having 3 of them opped creates a bit of modespam everytime they -q someone
[12:49] <LjL> jussi: yeah that's what bazhang pointed out i think. wish the server ignored the other -q's (it does ignore +q's)
[12:49] <LjL> i'll have to find a solution to that
[12:50] <Flannel> No notification, by the way.
[12:50] <LjL> indeedely
[12:50] <Flannel> LjL: I think you're back to normal now
[12:50] <LjL> yes, good idea to point that out
[12:51] <Flannel> LjL: So don't go spouting randomness :)
[12:56] <LjL> jussi: i should have worked around the -q spam now, but anyway i might eventually just go back to having only one opped at a time. i thought having all three opped would improve reaction time, but i'm not even so sure
[12:58] <LjL> jussi: have you seen/pondered my -council request of yesterday?
[12:59] <jussi> LjL: ahh yes - I was waiting for you to join -bots-team
[13:01] <LjL> ok Flannel can you +zq again? last time, i promise! maybe.
[13:01] <bazhang> ashmew2 is a known issue from u-r-p days
[13:03] <Flannel> LjL: 10 minutes again
[13:04] <Pici> eh?
[13:04] <LjL> what the hell, it still doesn't work
[13:04] <LjL> Pici: testing bots
[13:04] <Pici> LjL: ah
[13:06] <LjL> i think i've broken the whole flood thing :\ reverting to old code
[13:06] <LjL> although i don't see how i broke it
[13:07] <LjL> actually, maybe i know. removing the floodbots for a moment to test them in different channel
[13:11] <bazhang> hehe
[13:11] <bazhang> permaban!
[13:11] <LjL> =) sorry, are going to be a few fake calls
[13:14] <Flannel> LjL: you're done in #u
[13:14] <LjL> ok
[13:14] <LjL> going to continue testing in #floodbot anyway
[13:18] <LjL> Flannel: so basically all the testing in #ubuntu was useless, because i forgot about a foundamental thing - that when you mute someone manually, then the floodbots won't act on that specific mute again :)
[13:20] <Pici> -ot is especially annoying today.
[13:21] <LjL> Pici: you mean language calls are especially annoying?
[13:21] <Pici> LjL: Everything.
[13:21] <topyli> this is like star trek. "commander LjL, the bots can't take much more"
[13:21] <LjL> i think one of these days the bots will revolt and permban me
[13:21] <topyli> "don't tell me what the bots can take! i created them!"
[13:22] <LjL> the question is, will they do that first or will you :P
[13:22] <bazhang> * [h4x0rs] (~maroccain@adsl196-211-58-217-196.adsl196-10.iam.net.ma): maroccain
[13:23] <LjL> oh lord
[13:23] <LjL> so it was maroccain yesterday too?
[13:23] <bazhang> if someone else wants to handle this. he PM me some very nasty stuff last time I banned him for praising bin laden, and going on and on in that vein
[13:24] <bazhang> he is ban evading, at the very least
[13:24] <LjL> he managed to be banned from ##club too
[13:24] <LjL> that really does mean he's bad :P
[13:24] <bazhang> and ##linux
[13:24] <bazhang> along with very bad bot
[13:49] <ikonia> is h4x0rs evading yes/no ?
[13:49] <bazhang> yes
[13:50] <ikonia> it's the same guy we spoke about the other day I assume
[13:50] <bazhang> yes
[13:50] <bazhang> very abusive and openly calling attention to his ban evading
[13:50] <ikonia> yes, I remember this discussion the other day
[14:21] <bazhang> LPIC is the linux exam?
[14:21] <LjL> je ne sais pas
[14:21] <Pici> I believe so.
 i want some document or blank exam if possible
[14:21] <Pici> ...
[14:22] <Pici> Thats likely for testing themselves, than for cheating.
[14:22] <Pici> Or at least I hope.
[14:22] <LjL> still not quite ontopic, is it?
[14:23] <bazhang> alumni exam?
[14:24] <bazhang> blackbit wants to give me the Turing Test , I presume as he's PM'd me
[14:24] <LjL> well drop the joke and tell him you're not a bot?
[14:29] <bazhang> since lmsensors got dropped in natty what replaces it? gkrellm?
[14:30] <bazhang> err lm-sensors
[14:30] <LjL> oh lord lm-sensors dropped? :(
[14:31] <bazhang> bizarre. when I just upgraded , it said obselete, but the bot says its still in
[14:33] <ikonia> I was surprised pidgin was still in main also
[14:37] <jpds> Wait, you guys haven't done the LPIC?
[14:38] <jpds> LjL: Point him at
[14:38] <jpds> http://lpi.org/eng/certification/the_lpic_program/lpic_1/exam_101_sample_questions
[14:38] <bazhang> I can barely install packages with apt!
[14:38] <LjL> pointed
[14:42] <LjL> [15:42:10] --> Nisstyre has joined this channel (~nisstyre@infocalypse-net.info).
[14:42] <LjL> yesterday night this used changed nicks to Mark_Shuttlecock and some "other" user started asking him trollish things about Ubuntu being broken
[19:04] <jrib> at least they are original
[19:04] <jrib> oh wait
[19:04] <LjL> people, how about if the bots set a (brief?) +r every time there is a k-line?
[19:05] <jrib> no :(
[19:05] <LjL> lately, i've often seen someone joining, getting k-lined, and then someone else gets through
[19:05] <Pici> LjL: how short?
[19:05] <LjL> two minutes?
[19:06] <jrib> do k-lines really involve groups of ips more often than a single ip?
[19:06] <LjL> i wouldn't know that
[19:06] <LjL> i think in these cases i'm seeing, the k-lines are happening because these people are being recognized as open proxies shortly after joining
[19:06] <LjL> but i'm not really sure
[19:08] <IdleOne> Why doesn't freenode just deny access to any open proxy?
[19:10] <LjL> because how does it know it's an open proxy?
[19:10] <IdleOne> beats me
[19:10] <IdleOne> guess my question was stupid
[19:10] <LjL> not particularly
[19:10] <LjL> but there are two ways to detect open proxies
[19:11] <LjL> one is to use a blacklist, in which case you can just deny access
[19:11] <LjL> the other is probing on the fly, but then what happens if the proxy doesn't reply immediately?
[19:11] <IdleOne> it can't send to channel until it replies
[19:11] <LjL> it's conjectures, mind, i don't know how it really works on freenode
[19:11] <LjL> IdleOne: well if it's not a proxy, then it quite possibly will never reply
[19:12] <IdleOne> ok I clearer know nothing about this
[19:12] <IdleOne> :)
[19:12] <IdleOne> clearly*
[19:17] <Pici> 'go kiss a cobra'?
[19:17] <Pici> o.O
[19:17] <jrib> yes, wasn't sure how to take that...
[19:17] <IdleOne> not nicely
[19:18] <IdleOne> it is clear to me what it meant
[19:18] <jrib> I was going to pm, but whatever
[19:18] <Pici> I guess its sort of similar to 'kiss my asp'
[19:19] <IdleOne> more front facing but yeah
[19:19] <jrib> 60 hits on google for "go kiss a cobra"
[19:19] <Pici> Wierd.
[19:19] <Pici> Weird too
[20:09] <Pici> IdleOne: lars is still banned in -ot, right?
[20:09] <IdleOne> afaik
[20:10] <IdleOne> chronic ban evader he is
[21:09] <IdleOne> LjL: wasn't Nysstyre an issue yesterday?
[21:09] <IdleOne> Nisstyre
[21:09] <IdleOne> *
[21:10] <LjL> IdleOne: yes, about when i went to bed he nicked to Mark_Shuttlecock. he said nothing himself that i saw, but another user made reference to him
[21:10] <LjL> another user who could of course have been the same user
[21:10] <IdleOne> ok well he isn't using a bad nick now. Will keep a look out
[22:41]  * jrib wonders what the most gratuitous use of pastebin ever is
[22:42] <Pici> jrib: I thought that was the floodbots
[22:43] <jrib> haha
[22:44] <LjL> jrib:  http://pastebin.com/VGupZ3qn
[22:44] <jrib> heh
[22:45] <jrib> http://pastebin.com/nDYHgqV0 *
[22:46] <LjL> jrib: http://pastebin.com/gS0TCu3A
[22:47] <Flannel> LjL: I did find you!
[22:52] <jrib> LjL: haha