[00:03] <ali1234> this is completely true
[00:03] <ali1234> i don't know why they even bother putting an OS
[00:03] <ali1234> the first thing anyone with any sense does is wipe it and start again
[00:03] <envygeeks> wait, Packard Bell is still around? I thought HP killed that brand
[00:04] <envygeeks> Not HP sorry, Acer*
[00:30] <minarge> hello?
[01:11] <reaper4334> Hi
[01:12] <reaper4334> anyone around? :]
[04:33] <greeneyees> hooaammm,,
[06:25] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:25] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:38] <nigelb> Morning
[06:46] <AlanBell> happy starwars day everyone
[06:47] <AlanBell> May the fourth be with you
[06:47] <MartijnVdS> ...
[07:52] <gord> AlanBell, its starwars day?
[07:54] <ging> may the fourth
[07:54] <gord> oh
[07:55] <gord> i get it
[08:15] <HazRPG> heh I got a text at midnight about that
[08:16] <HazRPG> apparently he always forgets every 4th of may about it... and this was the first time he remembered on time
[08:16] <HazRPG> so he thought he'd share that with me at midnight... :/ lol
[08:22] <DJones> Morning all
[08:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:35] <Pendulum> morning brobostigon
[08:35] <DJones> Hi brobostigon Pendulum
[08:36] <brobostigon> morning Pendulum and DJones :)
[08:36] <Pendulum> hi DJones :)
[08:48] <kaushal> hi
[08:49] <kaushal> I have to always do insmod module.ko, I have added it in /etc/modules and /etc/rc.local
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning kaushal
[08:49] <kaushal> still it does not work
[08:49] <kaushal> brobostigon: Good Morning
[08:53] <brobostigon> :)
[08:55] <HazRPG> I think I might have to test gnome-shell
[08:55] <brobostigon> :)
[08:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[08:59] <MooDoo> :D
[09:01] <kaushal> checking again for the query ?
[09:16] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:17] <popey> Morning
[09:17] <gord> morning peoples
[09:18] <knightwise> hey guyz
[09:18] <knightwise> could i borrow some of your wisdom again ?
[09:19] <wintellect> Mornin friends
[09:20] <knightwise> ps : i also want you guyz to know i wrote up an article about you guys helping me with the podcast script . its kind of an 'epic story' and its featured in the latest knightcast podcast  (episode 52)
[09:22] <knightwise> i've been tinkering with my "podcatching scritp' some more but seem to run into an odd problem when it comes to using Rsync
[09:23] <knightwise> i've posted it on the ubuntu forums but haven't had any reply yet , perhaps you guyz know what could be wrong : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1699708&highlight=knightwise&page=2
[09:24] <knightwise> The script scans a directory (with subdirectories) that hold all my podcasts.
[09:24] <knightwise> it selects the latest podcast added and copies it over to a directory (with the cp command)
[09:24] <knightwise> now i changed the cp command for an Rsync command (because i would like to use dropbox as a middle man) to my dropbox foder
[09:25] <knightwise> it selects the podcasts , rsyncs them over .. and then suddenly deletes ALL of them again and copies 3 more.
[09:25] <knightwise> realy strange
[09:33] <awilkins> Any idea when Launchpad is coming back up?
[09:33] <gord> an hour or so
[09:34] <awilkins> Found my first non-Unity gripe with Natty :-(
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: the 600 security updates it already has?
[09:35] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, No, this is an audio driver problem
[09:35] <gord> there are always a lot of updates shortly after release
[09:35] <awilkins> Mic input isn't working at all ; was previously suffering from work-around-able bug #593018
[09:35] <gord> there are a few weeks where no uploads are done whilst testing happens. so we prepare 0-day SRU's
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> cool
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> the bot broke
[09:36] <gord> launchpad is down remember
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> it is?
[09:36] <awilkins> I think it's more LP is down and the API doesn't distinguish between RO and RW method calls
[09:38] <awilkins> The workaround no longer works ; mic input can't be coaxed into working. Can't Skype, can't work. Might have to go back to Maverick ( <sulk> )
[09:39] <awilkins> Or boot into Windows for conference calling but that's a PITA because then I don't have access to my proper working environment
[09:41] <gord> google is awesome, claimed i was signed in and signed out on the same page
[09:42] <awilkins> That thing where you have a list of removable media, including unmounted ones, in GNOME, and you can select one and it will mount it and show it in Nautilus, is there an equivalent in Unity?
[09:44] <awilkins> I have a drive that isn't in the fstab on a SATA port (in a removable caddy) ; doesn't count as a "removable" drive because it's SATA so it doesn't just mount when you socket it, but I can't find a place to mount it from the GUI
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: palimpsest?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: aka the disk utility?
[09:46] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, That works, not nearly as convenient as it could be though.
[09:53] <awilkins> Aha, LP arises
[09:58] <brobostigon> arghh, too much package breakage, tht i cant fix, i think i will do a reinstall :(
[09:58] <JamesTait> Buenos días a todos!
[10:10] <dwatkins> moin moin
[10:11] <brobostigon> moin dwatkins
[10:18] <bigcalm> Good morning kids :)
[10:18] <dwatkins> Good morning Bigcalm
[10:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Cosmology Meets Machine Learning - http://philbull.livejournal.com/59661.html
[10:21] <jonsaint> hi all. does anyone know if theres a patch yet for the keyring because since upgrading i have to enter it twice!
[10:28] <Guest72551> jonsaint, disable it in startup applications settings, win key + type startup
[10:48] <bigcalm> Some people 'spreading the word of god' are about to knock on my door. Apart from ignoring the door, what's the best way to deal with them?
[10:49] <kazade> invite them in, and ask them questions like "Could God create a rock so big that he couldn't lift it" etc.
[10:50] <awilkins> Guns. Lots of guns.
[10:50] <awilkins> I usually just tell them I already have a belief system (without going into detail).
[10:51] <kirrus> bigcalm: If they're witnesses, ask them how only 180,000 people are allowed into heaven, when there are 7 billion people on planet earth, a good percentage of which are belivers
[10:51] <kirrus> Not counting all who've died, of course.
[10:52] <kazade> bigcalm, answer the door naked
[10:52] <kazade> that'll work
[10:52] <bigcalm> Thing is, I don't know enough about the bibble
[10:52] <kirrus> kazade: answer to that one is, obviously, yes :P .. but the second would work as well
[10:52] <BigRedS> Nah, best way is to open the door and say "Shalom". They love it when you do that :)
[10:52] <kirrus> bigcalm: just calmly say that you'd like them to leave you alone please then, and they should.
[10:52] <kazade> bigcalm, answer everything they say with "But, why?"
[10:53] <andylockran> Heya guys and gals
[10:53] <andylockran> How's things>
[10:53] <andylockran> ? even
[10:54] <bigcalm> Warm and sunny
[10:54] <knightwise> Does anybody know if ANDROID devices are able to run webkit  ?
[10:54] <kazade> knightwise, I'm pretty sure the built in browser is webkit
[10:55] <popey> bigcalm: friend of mine is a god botherer, he said they do maintain a list of properties not to visit. if you tell them to never call again, they will add you to the list
[10:55] <popey> like the Telephone Preference Service list ;)
[10:55] <knightwise> thanx kazade
[10:55] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:56] <knightwise> :)
[10:56] <dogmatic69> knightwise: opera is webkit, and that works im sure
[10:56] <knightwise> dogmatic69: cool , we"ll give it a try
[10:56] <kazade> dogmatic69, Opera is Presto, not webkit
[10:57] <bigcalm> popey: I live accross the road from the vicerage. You can tell how isn't local by the way they aproach the house
[10:57] <knightwise> our company had an ipad webb app developed , but i want to be able to make it accessable via ANDROID devices as well
[10:57] <dogmatic69> kazade: so wikipedia lies? i dont belive that...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#WebKit-based_browsers
[10:57] <kazade> dogmatic69, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#Presto-based
[10:57] <kazade> wikipedia is confused :)
[10:58] <DJones> knightwise: Does this help http://developer.android.com/reference/android/webkit/WebView.html
[10:58] <dogmatic69> kazade: you win, opera page has nothing on webkit
[10:58] <knightwise> ok , i'll be able to get more infor from here.
[10:58] <knightwise> Crud dogmatic69
[10:58] <kazade> dogmatic69, I only knew because I used to think it was webkit too ;)
[10:58] <knightwise> So if we develop a webkit based site , we cant run them on android devices ?
[10:58] <s-fox> Hello :D
[10:59] <kazade> knightwise, you can, the default browser is webkit
[10:59] <dogmatic69> knightwise: why would you build a 'webkit' based site?
[10:59] <kazade> and, yeah what dogmatic69 said
[10:59] <knightwise> Sales dudes here where all IPAD horny and had a web based ipad app built
[10:59] <dogmatic69> you should be building a xhtml/html4/5 etc based site
[11:00] <knightwise> company policy is that it has to be cross platform compatible ( so also using 'non' apple devices)
[11:00] <knightwise> so now we are a bit fucked
[11:00] <knightwise> but i'll be right back ,
[11:01] <dogmatic69> ok, i need to make a self signed ssl cert for my site... anyone have a easy tutorial i can go by
[11:03] <davmor2> morning ubuntu lovers across the globe that congregate here :)
[11:03] <X3N> dogmatic69: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284
[11:05] <X3N> or any of the other one's from google :p
[11:05] <dogmatic69> hehe
[11:06] <dogmatic69> the problem is none of them are remotely similar
[11:06] <dogmatic69> just found this one that looked nice and easy http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/11/26/ubuntu-gutsy-generating-a-self-signed-ssl-certificate
[11:07] <popey> dogmatic69: i would trust content on debian-administration over many other sites
[11:07] <popey> the site admin has a lot of clue
[11:07]  * dogmatic69 bookmarks
[11:07] <dogmatic69> :) thanks
[11:08] <oly> hi, anyone got unity working in seamless mode with in virtualbox ?
[11:08] <oly> i cant access the launcher, looking for a way to make it permenant like with gnome 2 bars
[11:13] <dogmatic69> if i do ls -al, what does <something> -> <anotherthing.file> mean?
[11:13] <dogmatic69> is that a link of some sort
[11:13] <X3N> yes
[11:14] <dogmatic69> which is the 'actual' one?
[11:14] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it's a symbolic link created by ln -s
[11:14] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: the actual file is the latter part
[11:14] <dogmatic69> ah, thanks
[11:18] <krimzon2> oly, iirc I installed unity-2d
[11:19] <krimzon2> someone also suggested I installed virtualbox 4, so I downloaded oracle's proprietary version
[11:20] <oly> yeah i am using the propietry version,
[11:20] <oly> not installed unity-2d if that exists wonder why that not the fall back instead of gnome 2
[11:21] <oly> will give it a try in a sec cheers, if anyone has any ideas for keeping the full version be nice to know as well :)
[11:21] <oly> it works till you go seamless, then i am guessing it just does not know what to bring to the front
[11:22] <krimzon2> I remember now - I got a black screen a lot of the time until I installed unity-2d
[11:24] <krimzon2> the main annoyance for me was that launcher items for programs on different workspaces weren't hidden
[11:27]  * awilkins prefers the PUEL version of VirtualBox also
[11:32] <chambo> Hi all.
[11:34] <chambo> I have a question about upgrading to Natty
[11:35] <chambo> Is it safe to run do-release-upgrade on ubuntu-server?
[11:35] <bigcalm> Is it a live and critical server?
[11:35] <chambo> It's live but I wouldn't say critical
[11:36] <chambo> Just a home server that I use for LDAP, files and a few other things
[11:36] <bigcalm> I tend to keep my servers on LTS releases
[11:36] <chambo> I wonder whether I would be better off with a fresh install
[11:39] <chambo> When the next LTS is out i'll likely put that on the server and stick with it
[11:39] <chambo> I think I'll leave it on 10.10 for now as I don't think I can face going through LDAP configuration again
[11:43] <popey> i keep my servers on LTS too
[11:44] <jonsaint> anyone about?
[11:44] <chambo> I guess if anything it stops those messages every 6 months saying "A new release is available" and then me spending 2 days fixing it after I broke it
[11:45] <jonsaint> has there been a fix yet for the keyring as im still having to log in twice everytime i turn on my pc? and also this latest release aint half slow!!
[11:45] <BigRedS> jonsaint: Is there a bug for it?
[11:45] <BigRedS> 'cause that'll be where they'll publish the release of a fix
[11:46] <jonsaint> im fairly new to ubuntu bigred so still learning the ropes
[11:48] <BigRedS> jonsaint: aha, no problem. If you go to bugs.launchpad.net, and have a search around you *may* find someone's already reported the bug
[11:48] <BigRedS> in which case you can click the 'this affects me' link and it'll send you updates
[11:48] <BigRedS> or, if not, you can file a bug, though I'm not sure what the recomended way of doing that is
[11:48] <BigRedS> I always have fun and games working out which package teh bug should be filed against
[11:49] <jonsaint> il have a look
[11:49] <jonsaint> will it be in the updates if they find a fix to the bug?
[11:50] <chambo> Does anyone here use a PCI gbit ethernet card?  I'm affected by a kernel bug that causes lockups with my onboard card and would like to get gigabit speeds as I'm mounting home over ethernet
[11:50] <BigRedS> jonsaint: yeah
[11:50] <jonsaint> superb
[11:50] <BigRedS> but the more people who're down as affected by a given bug, the more developer time they point at it :)
[11:51] <jonsaint> cheers for the info.
[11:54] <awilkins> I tend to guess which package the bug is for... and it generally gets corrected anyway
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: "It's for.. mplayer" "*bzzt* it's for totem"
[12:02] <chambo> Is there anyway I can get a list of my installed packages from apt (From my current install) then install 11.04 and then install all the packages in that list?
[12:02] <BigRedS> dpkg --get-selections and dpkg --get-selections
[12:02] <chambo> I'm not doing a straightforward upgrade because I need to install winXP
[12:02] <chambo> Thanks
[12:03] <BigRedS> do dpkg --get-selections > somefile
[12:03] <BigRedS> then get somefile to the new instrall
[12:03] <BigRedS> then do dpkg --set-selections < somefile
[12:03] <BigRedS> then apt-get upgrade
[12:03] <BigRedS> (or perhaps dist-upgrade). there's several docs on that around, though
[12:05] <chambo> Thanks!
[12:05] <chambo> Will I end up wiuth any trouble due to deprecated packages or things like that?
[12:24] <Laney> it's bad because it doesn't preserve auto-install markers
[12:24] <Laney> and it shows libraries in addition to applications
[13:33] <popey> BAH!
[13:33] <mfraz74> eh?
[13:33] <popey> mailing list
[13:33] <popey> great long thread helping someone get his wireless working, and before he tries the many suggestions he decides to go back to 10.04/10.10
[13:34] <popey> waste of everyone's time.
[13:34] <mfraz74> have to admit I've tried a few things to get my wi-fi working properly and nothing has worked
[13:35] <mfraz74> not sure whether to go back to 10.10 or try a clean install of 11.04
[13:48]  * brobostigon returns
[13:49] <davmor2> mfraz74: what chipset
[13:50] <mfraz74> davmor2: atheros ar5b95
[13:50] <mfraz74> davmor2: it is using the ath9k driver
[13:51] <davmor2> mfraz74: apply the proposed repo there is a kernel fix for it, in the mean time try doing sudo rfkill --unblock wifi
[13:51] <mfraz74> i've applied the proposed repo, still doesn't work
[13:51] <davmor2> mfraz74: :(
[13:52] <mfraz74> if I use rsync to sync files between my server and netbook after a while the traffic slows to nothing
[13:52] <mfraz74> worked fine in 10.10
[13:53] <davmor2> mfraz74: ah that's a different issue then
[13:53] <davmor2> mfraz74: create a bug report and include the words Regression in it
[13:56] <mfraz74> davmor2: bug #760304 is the one I've commented on
[13:58] <davmor2> mfraz74: you might want to comment on the one it's duped to as your comments will not be seen on that secondary bug
[13:59] <davmor2> mfraz74: ie re-write the comment on bug 735171
[14:00] <mfraz74> I wrote comment 26
[14:02] <davmor2> mfraz74: ah yes just seen it
[14:07] <brobostigon> what does the comment right atthe end of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096 mean, please.
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that it's a confirmed bug?
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: or that he posted a stable release update? on 04-27?
[14:09] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i havent noticed any updates yet, really.
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: SRUs can take a while
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: enable the -proposed repository to get it early
[14:10] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: let me check.
[14:10] <davmor2> brobostigon: If you look at the top now linux has been added to the bug and the linux part has been confirmed as being at fault too :)
[14:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i dont have proposed, let me find a apt parameter.
[14:12] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, kms, is related.
[14:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: cli way "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" uncomment the proposed lines, gui way "open SC click on in the menu click Edit-> Software Sources type in your password then click on the updates tag and enable proposed and close"
[14:17] <davmor2> s/tag/tab
[14:18] <brobostigon> davmor2: :)
[14:26] <MooDoo> *yawn*
[14:27]  * brobostigon scp's MooDoo a pot of coffee
[14:28] <MooDoo> i need it
[14:29] <brobostigon> :)
[14:29]  * dwatkins gets a cup of coffee
[14:30] <dwatkins> Clearly I was subconsciously influenced by this talk of coffee.
[14:30] <Azelphur> rsnapshots intervals are weird xD
[14:30] <Azelphur> the default "hourly" snapshot runs every 4 hours \o/
[14:31] <dwatkins> 4 Vulcan hours, clearly.
[14:31] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:31] <livingdaylight> Avé Legionaries
[14:32] <brobostigon> lets hope proposed doesnt break anything.
[14:32] <dwatkins> Hail Caesar!
[14:32] <Azelphur> dwatkins: you should see the documentation, it's even more confusing xD
[14:32] <livingdaylight> lol
[14:32] <dwatkins> Azelphur: is it in English or Medieval Chinese?
[14:32] <Azelphur> it's like "interval hourly 6" "This will run backups every 4 hours so 6 times a day"
[14:32] <popey> no
[14:32] <popey> every 6 hours, 4 times a day
[14:32] <Azelphur> dwatkins: probably medieval chinese :D
[14:33] <popey> 0 */4   * * *          /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
[14:33] <dwatkins> I'd like to learn Klingon just so I can translate the manual for the product I support into it.
[14:33] <livingdaylight> guys, I need some advice/input on these N455 dual-core atom processors.... John Lewis is doing these deals on hp notebooks for £250, which is tempting me into making a purchase.
[14:33] <Azelphur> popey: fun \o/
[14:33] <popey> livingdaylight: url?
[14:33] <livingdaylight> http://tinyurl.com/6cbsak3
[14:34] <livingdaylight> the tiny url is about as long as the normal url, lol
[14:34] <popey> :)
[14:34] <dwatkins> I use dft.ba for shortening URLs.
[14:34] <dwatkins> Don't Forget To Be Awesome ;)
[14:34]  * popey uses popey.me :)
[14:34] <dwatkins> well, officially I use bit.ly ;)
[14:34] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, not heard of that one. Do they have a FF add-on?
[14:35] <livingdaylight> popey, what do you reckon, maestro?
[14:35] <Azelphur> dwatkins: that looks quite nice :p
[14:35] <popey> livingdaylight: do you really want a netbook?
[14:35] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: looks like it: https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/dftba-nerdfighters/
[14:35] <davmor2> livingdaylight: I see your nick but in my head I hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzV4WGoyl4Q
[14:35] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: oh wait, that's probably a theme
[14:35] <dwatkins> davmor2: if that's the song I think it is, I hear it too
[14:36] <livingdaylight> popey, don't mind. For the money a dual-core sounds good. Certainly don't want a big clunky thing for moving around with
[14:36] <popey> you could get a 'proper' laptop for that money
[14:36] <Azelphur> livingdaylight: I'm trying to get my hands on an inspiron duo :D
[14:36] <popey> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/237715
[14:36] <livingdaylight> popey, what's the difference between a proper laptop and a notebook?
[14:36] <popey> netbooks are smaller
[14:37] <popey> small screen and keyboard
[14:37] <popey> and often don't have many memory slots
[14:37] <Azelphur> some netbooks come with full pitch keyboards
[14:37] <livingdaylight> not seen proper laptops for that money unless they're old celeron processors. Maplin has a deal ( £275) for a lenovo 3000 (celeron 900)
[14:37] <popey> livingdaylight: see that link i just posted
[14:38] <davmor2> livingdaylight: for another £100 I got http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/hp-g62-451sa-core-i3-laptop-with-3gb-memory-black-08722513-pdt.html
[14:38] <popey> guess it depends what the use of the machine is :)
[14:39] <livingdaylight> davmor2, yea, another £100 :p
[14:39] <livingdaylight> popey, that lenovo looks pretty awesome for the same money
[14:40] <livingdaylight> thanks for the heads up!
[14:40] <livingdaylight> i3 processors are very entry level, eh? I was told they're equivalent of dual-core processors... need to get i5 to make a proper move at that level
[14:41] <DJones> livingdaylight: My i3 is dual core
[14:43] <DJones> popey: Thanks for the email reminder about ask mark, I'd forgotten about that
[14:43] <popey> np
[14:43] <livingdaylight> davmor2, £350 and up I would be looking for a dedicated graphics (nvidia) card; always better than onboard ones, right?
[14:45] <livingdaylight> popey, @ £409 I wouldn't have been interested because of the graphics card, but at its current reduction it makes it a very interesting proposition indeed.
[14:45] <davmor2> livingdaylight: the nvidia one would still be on board ;)  this has dedicated memory as well as shared,  and it works lovely bar the wifi bleedin' Ralink
[14:45] <popey> yah, looks nice
[14:45] <livingdaylight> Just need to go to the shops and look at one in the "flesh" and test out the keyboard - always a decisive factor in my case
[14:46] <livingdaylight> so, many of them still don't come with hdmi outputs, which is annoying
[14:47] <livingdaylight> i love hooking up small laptops to a big screen
[14:50] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: that reminds me, I need a mini displayport to HDMI adapter :)
[14:50] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, is that vga to hdmi?
[14:51] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: no, it's for the little output port in the side of my Macbook Pro.
[14:51] <livingdaylight> ahh
[14:51] <dwatkins> VGA is analogue, but I'd like to keep the signal digital and take advantage of my 1980x1080 television.
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> DVI/HDMI \o/
[14:51] <dwatkins> I sometimes connect my tiny ASUS Eee to the TV, which is fun.
[14:52] <dwatkins> That little netbook is now a media server, however.
[14:53] <livingdaylight> the lenovo does have hdmi out! ooooh....
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> My PC has DVI, HDMI, VGA out
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> and apparently, it can do HDMI-CEC...
[14:54] <dwatkins> my docking station has two DVI outs for my work laptop
[14:57] <Azelphur> reflashed my routers firmware without dropping from IRC. Winning :p
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: \o/ vps :P
[14:57] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, I didn't loose my connection from here to my dedi :P
[14:57] <Azelphur> my client remained connected
[14:58] <popey> bet it didnt :)
[14:58] <popey> bet it reconnected
[14:58] <Azelphur> yea, but it reconnected in a way that didn't actually loose my IRC connection
[14:58] <popey> indeed
[14:58] <Azelphur> so when the firmware reflash finished I just got a small flood on IRC
[14:58] <popey> nice when that happens
[14:58] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[14:59] <popey> i have accidentally slammed my laptop shut, causing it to suspend, opened up, reconnected to the network and ssh carried on
[14:59] <popey> win
[14:59] <Azelphur> haha
[15:00] <Azelphur> I just blank screenw hen I shut my laptops lid, it gets irritating trying to move to a different seat or something and having to awkwardly carry the laptop while it's open
[15:01] <dwatkins> yeah, I've taken advantage of the timeouts on ssh a couple times.
[15:01] <dwatkins> also, if you're quick when resuming, you can ~. to kill the session before it hangs.
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: <enter>~.
[15:01] <MartijnVdS> or <enter>~~~~~~~~. for a 8-level edep ssh :)
[15:01] <dwatkins> haha, yeah - I've had ... urrrm ... many levels deep
[15:02] <Azelphur> What's the best / most compatible encryption mode for wifi now days? there's so many WPA2 options in DD-WRT
[15:03] <Azelphur> Personal, Enterprise, Personal Mixed, Enterprised Mixed. Which WPA2 do I want? :P
[15:06] <dwatkins> One with a long key.
[15:06] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#A_high-level_overview_of_WPA_terminology might help, Azelphur - I need to read this myself, probably.
[15:07] <dwatkins> I believe I use WPA-PSK at home. I suspect it's good enough unless you live next door to a hacker.
[15:07] <Azelphur> ah I see :)
[15:07] <Azelphur> yea, I probably want WPA2 Personal
[15:07] <Azelphur> maybe changed to WPA2 Personal Mixed if I find any devices not WPA2 capable in the hosue
[15:08] <dwatkins> Yeah, if you can, choose a nice long key, then save it to a text file somewhere you can easily get to after your hard disk dies and when friends bring round laptops.
[15:08] <Azelphur> dwatkins: I use keepass :D
[15:08] <Azelphur> text files are so retro
[15:08] <Azelphur> keepass+dropbox = win
[15:08] <dwatkins> ok, how do you get to that if your PC dies, though? :)
[15:09] <dwatkins> ah ok
[15:09] <Azelphur> protects against user error I believe too as you can rollback the file with dropbox
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> drawpbawx
[15:09] <dwatkins> but you might need to get online, that's my point. I was thinking of a USB key inna drawer.
[15:09] <dwatkins> just thinking of the possibilities, having had problems with my wifi router recently.
[15:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:10] <Azelphur> I'll always be able to get at my keepass :)
[15:10] <dwatkins> Even when MS stops your windows from working?
[15:11] <Azelphur> I don't have Windows?
[15:11] <dwatkins> ah ok, sorry, didn't see the ports
[15:11] <Azelphur> yea, keepass is like insanely cross platform
[15:11] <Azelphur> it's like there's cross platform, and then there's keepass x
[15:11] <Azelphur> xD*
[15:11] <dwatkins> do you have the data on multiple machines?
[15:11] <Azelphur> yes.
[15:11] <Azelphur> all my laptops, PC, and my android phone
[15:11] <dwatkins> right, cool - the name is justified, then
[15:12] <Azelphur> :)
[15:12] <Azelphur> I adopted it as a policy after someone broke into a service I used purely to get at my password
[15:12] <Azelphur> and then used that password to abuse other stuff I used, because I used the same password for everything :p
[15:13] <Azelphur> (I was only 13 or so at the time)
[15:13] <Azelphur> but now I have unique passwords for everything with keepass, much more secure
[15:14] <Azelphur> Anyone know much about wifi transmit power settings?
[15:15] <dwatkins> When I was 13 I invented a phrase which I now use as a password, but back then the closest thing I had to a password was my PIN number.
[15:16] <BigRedS> I worked for a while in a shop with no barcode scanner, but product codes on everything anyway
[15:16] <BigRedS> I have a good amount of memerised pseudo-random strings for concatenating into passwords :)
[15:20] <bigcalm> 321456 was my dad's old office number. Quite handy
[15:21] <Azelphur> haha, that was pretty obvious re wifi transmit power, just went and asked about it in #hamradio
[15:21] <dwatkins> I use old telephone numbers for that.
[15:22] <Azelphur> the answer is: Leave it at default most laptops broadcast at 50ish and the power needs to be hiked at both ends to make any difference \o/
[15:24] <dwatkins> ahh yes
[15:24] <dwatkins> I installed a new graphics driver and now my XP laptop thinks it's 1992 and 16 colours are cool... well done IBM.
[15:25] <Azelphur> bigcalm: I have my phone hooked up to some VOIP magic I have like 300 break-in numbers all over the planet :D
[15:25]  * Azelphur is just a local call away :p
[15:25] <Azelphur> my mobile is also a UK landline \o/
[15:25] <dwatkins> nice
[15:26] <Azelphur> tis pretty cool, and free \o/
[15:39] <speedxco1e> hi all, I'm from sweden. How do I check the credit rating of an LTD.. I know it's Off topic, but I need the advice. Thanks
[15:50] <dogmatic69> speedxco1e:  http://tinyurl.com/637cm9v
[16:03] <livingdaylight> can we change the apps round on the Unity bar?
[16:03] <popey> the launcher?
[16:03] <popey> on the left
[16:03] <livingdaylight> yes
[16:03] <popey> yes
[16:04] <Darael> livingdaylight: Drag them /away/ from the launcher first, then up and down.
[16:04] <popey> hold mouse button down on one and drag to the right a bit
[16:04] <livingdaylight> i'm right-clicking and everything, but can't figure it out
[16:04] <livingdaylight> Darael, AhA!
[16:04] <Darael> Took me a while to work it out, too.
[16:04] <livingdaylight> wonderful! thx guys
[16:05] <livingdaylight> so, that's called the launch bar - not unity bar?
[16:05] <popey> Launcher
[16:05] <livingdaylight> k
[16:06] <Laney> grumble
[16:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/612
[16:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10228/whats-the-right-terminology-for-unitys-ui-elements/612
[16:06] <popey> those might help livingdaylight
[16:06] <Laney> can i apply for a tax refund before the end of the financial year?
[16:06] <livingdaylight> thx
[16:06]  * Laney overpaid :(
[16:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/36274/tips-and-tricks-for-unity/612
[16:06] <popey> that too
[16:07] <oimon> argh only just sat at my desk for the first time today :(
[16:11] <NET||abuse> hey guys. i'm using 10.10 netbook remix on my EeePc 1000h, but i've switched to regular gnome and just culled the bottom panel.. however.
[16:11] <NET||abuse> in this situation, i'm getting a problem with tomboy keyboard shortcut
[16:11] <NET||abuse> alt+F12 won't work,
[16:11] <suprengr> popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/34876#34876 might be useful
[16:12] <NET||abuse> i've checked the gnome keyboard shortcuts and there's no conflict, and tomboy settings definately has the keyboard shortcut registered
[16:17] <oimon> NET||abuse: could be a compiz shortcut overriding it?
[16:17] <NET||abuse> hmm,
[16:17] <NET||abuse> how could i lis tout all the compiz shortcuts?
[16:17] <NET||abuse> would dread trawling through all ccsm sections to find it
[16:17] <oimon> at least check the general options
[16:17] <oimon> -> key bindings
[16:17] <oimon> in ccsm
[16:18] <oimon> i have some alt-f stuff
[16:18] <oimon> although alt-f12 works for me in lucid
[16:19] <NET||abuse> just had a look, don't see it.
[16:19] <NET||abuse> under general options->key bindings in ccsm
[16:19] <NET||abuse> nothing using F12
[16:19] <NET||abuse> ALT+F12
[16:20] <NET||abuse> fn+F12 does my volume, and that's working, so the key is fine :( 0
[16:20] <NET||abuse> changing it to <Super>F12 didn't seem to work either.
[16:23] <NET||abuse> one other thing that i notice, i can't seem to enable virtual desktops on this laptop... something in the settings of ccsm won't let me increase the "number of desktops" setting
[16:24] <NET||abuse> Horizontal & Vertical] Virtual Size and
[16:24] <NET||abuse>  [Horizontal | Vertical] Virtual Size are  set
[16:24] <NET||abuse> but it won' tincrease beyond 1 for Number of Desktops
[16:25] <NET||abuse> any reason the netbook remix installer would limit this by default?
[16:25] <oimon> tbh 10.10 netbook remix is by far the worst linux experience i've had in years
[16:25] <oimon> half-baked isn't the word
[16:25] <NET||abuse> it's been fine for me other than these 2 things :)
[16:25] <NET||abuse> oimon, really?
[16:26] <popey> friend of mine runs it on his netbook just fine
[16:26] <NET||abuse> that said, i'm left behind the netboo0k remix desktop setup, completely abandoned it and returned to plain on gnome
[16:26] <oimon> ah ok i missed that bit
[16:27] <NET||abuse> ah well, i blame popey..
[16:27] <popey> wise.
[16:27] <NET||abuse> :P
[16:28] <NET||abuse> not to worry, i've gone this long with this bug, i can live with it for now
[16:28] <NET||abuse> updating to 11.04 at some point might reset some of my needs, unity or gnome 3.... and i might get a new laptop (finally after 4 years)
[16:28] <NET||abuse> as i'm now no-longer employed but freelancing again :) -
[16:29] <oimon> NET||abuse: you could always try creating a test user account on the netbook and see if that works with fresh settings
[16:29] <NET||abuse> yeh,  good idea, i'll try that later tonight
[16:29] <NET||abuse> right, back to the grind stone for me
[16:29] <NET||abuse> gotta do my first ever OO based javascript app :)
[16:31] <chambo> BigRedS, Thanks for the tip - A fresh install and it's like nothing ever happened :)
[16:32] <Darael> IIRC changing the number of desktops never worked for me in Compiz in Maverick.  It does in Natty, though.  Just FYI, NET||abuse.
[16:32] <NET||abuse> Darael, really? hmmm
[16:33] <chambo> I just did a fresh install of Natty and somethign which never worked before (Changing number of desktops) works for me now too
[16:34] <chambo> And I'm also a big fan of the "indicator applet complete"
[16:34] <NET||abuse> i've used 10.10 on a desktop and it worked fine i think.. or did i never update from 10.04 on that desktop?.. hmm, have to think about that.
[16:35] <NET||abuse> chambo, what do you mean by that?
[16:35] <NET||abuse> complete as opposed to what?
[16:35] <chambo> Don't know that's just the name of it in the add to panel dialog
[16:36] <NET||abuse> oh, i see,
[16:36] <NET||abuse> there's appmenu, session or complete.. never noticed that before
[16:36] <NET||abuse> my install uses -session right now, what's the difference?
[16:36] <chambo> They replaced the gnome clock
[16:36] <chambo> Which I've always had problems with
[16:37] <chambo> It also has sound and net properties there but not sure if that is in the session applet
[16:38] <Darael> It took me a while to work out how to get the indicator clock in the format I like (had to use dconf-editor since I want short ISO-style dates, which aren't part of my locale, but it's just the tool that's changed (gconf-editor for the gnome clock))
[17:01] <fujisan> where can i find the desktop effects in 11.04 ?
[17:01] <fujisan> Hello btw :<
[17:09] <KrisDouglas> Hello, I have a serious problem with an Ubuntu web server. A permission was changed somewhere, and the resulting problem is that no matter how much I chown files and update permissions- apache2 still says forbidden.
[17:10] <SuperMatt> what are the current permissions on the file?
[17:10] <SuperMatt> also: are you running selinux?
[17:11] <BigRedS> KrisDouglas: are you sure the change isn't to the Apache config?
[17:11] <SuperMatt> and are you using facls?
[17:12] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, I assume not. Basically one of my colleagues stupidly tried to mount the server as a folder from the Connect to Server menu, and then share the directory with samba.
[17:12] <KrisDouglas> --- so he could mount the server as a drive on a WINDOWS pc.
[17:12] <KrisDouglas> but the / folder was mounted
[17:12] <KrisDouglas> am I safe assuming the install is hosed? :P
[17:14] <BigRedS> KrisDouglas: no, it probably isn't
[17:15] <BigRedS> I'm havign trouble working out what this guy did, though
[17:15] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, I am quite glad to hear that. I have noticed another problem. When trying to use sudo it says permission denied on the sudoers file. Luckily had root though
[17:15] <BigRedS> he tried to mount some part of teh FS over nfs? smb?
[17:15] <BigRedS> I'm not sure why that would change any permissions automagtically
[17:15] <KrisDouglas> he mounted / of the office app server using SSH to a GVFS folder
[17:16] <KrisDouglas> and then shared the GVFS folder across the network
[17:16] <BigRedS> and then did some chowning adn chmodding?
[17:16] <KrisDouglas> Not that I am aware. It just stopped working after he shared the directory
[17:17] <KrisDouglas> but now permissions on the sudoers file, and other things aren't right
[17:17] <BigRedS> that's a bit weird
[17:17] <KrisDouglas> but ls -al shows they are owned by the correct users.
[17:17] <KrisDouglas> it's very weird.
[17:17] <KrisDouglas> Not seen it before.
[17:17] <hamitron> permissions on the sudoers file?
[17:18] <KrisDouglas> owned by root
[17:18] <KrisDouglas> -r--r-----
[17:18] <BigRedS> er, that'd be wrong
[17:18] <BigRedS> *someone* needs to be allowed to write to it
[17:18] <KrisDouglas> Oh shit.
[17:19] <KrisDouglas> i mean
[17:19] <KrisDouglas> bums.
[17:19] <KrisDouglas> sorry
[17:19] <BigRedS> I did once cobble together a script to get permissons off a backup and apply them to the files in-place
[17:19] <BigRedS> but, er, it didn't work that well. You'll probably find a reinstall is the path of least resistance
[17:19] <hamitron> mine is 440 too
[17:20] <hamitron> my sudoers file
[17:20] <KrisDouglas> if I change the permissions to 0440 (I am guessing?) I get permission denied.
[17:20] <hamitron> but root can write anything anyway
[17:20] <BigRedS> ooh
[17:21] <BigRedS> not if it doesn't have rights to
[17:21] <KrisDouglas> I am logged in as root at the moment
[17:21] <KrisDouglas> (don't ask)
[17:21] <hamitron> chmod 440 /etc/sudoers
[17:22] <hamitron> doesn't work?
[17:22] <hamitron> :|
[17:22] <KrisDouglas> nope
[17:22] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: do lsattr /etc/sudoers
[17:23] <KrisDouglas> -----------------e-
[17:23] <kirrus> Ok, that's normal. You can set a file to be imutable (old filesystem thing), which would refuse all edits.. but that's not it :(
[17:23] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: is your filesystem read-only?
[17:24] <KrisDouglas> it is not mounted as RO
[17:24] <KrisDouglas> and I can make and change files.
[17:24] <hamitron> what does that "e" mean?
[17:25] <KrisDouglas> Not a clue in hell
[17:25] <hamitron> have you tried running chmod on another file?
[17:26] <KrisDouglas> I can change the permissions of the other file
[17:26] <KrisDouglas> of an other file*
[17:27] <fujisan> same as it ever was
[17:27] <fujisan> there is water at the bottom of the ocean
[17:28] <KrisDouglas> I am beginning to think I should just export the databases and web data and reinstall the server
[17:29] <hamitron> is root still your super-user?
[17:29] <KrisDouglas> yes.
[17:30] <fujisan> has anyone sung this in a song yet: " my head contains cookie crumbs, google cookie crumbs for it's infinite cache and my cookie crumbs are part of the quantum entangled cognition of humanitas"
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[17:31] <hamitron> erm, no? ;)
[17:31] <fujisan> i feel like someone from alzheimer to everything i know my brain contains cookies for google queries :-x
[17:32] <fujisan> alzheimer being the future place i never hope to visit :<
[17:32] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: try looking through the logs (/var/log/syslog) etc.. other than that, I guess reinstall would be the quickest way to get it back
[17:32] <fujisan> am i peculiar?
[17:33] <fujisan> oh sorry where is the offtopic channel to this channel?
[17:33] <fujisan> i just realized this might be ontopic sorry
[17:33] <fujisan> :/
[17:33] <KrisDouglas> kirrus, Nothing in the logs, I had a nose through them before.
[17:34] <kirrus> fujisan: there's #ubuntu-offtopic, but this channel does go offtopic from time to time, not a problem unless popey or someone says it is :)
[17:34] <fujisan> oh ok
[17:34] <fujisan> thanks
[17:34] <bigcalm> cake and kittens!
[17:34] <KrisDouglas> My last question, bit of a mysql one here- Is there a way to backup mysql without being able to access the client (for obvious reasons)
[17:34] <kirrus> Chocolate cake?
[17:34] <hamitron> but more cake than kitten
[17:34] <hamitron> ;/
[17:34] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: copy /var/lib/mysql/
[17:35] <kirrus> that contains all the databases
[17:35] <fujisan> korean kitten cake kirrus?
[17:35] <bigcalm> KrisDouglas: phpmyadmin
[17:35] <kirrus> make sure you shut down mysql first
[17:35] <kirrus> Or, yeah, phpMyAdmin.. or mysqldump on the command line, on the server?
[17:35] <fujisan> i had it once it reminds me of meatloaf
[17:35] <kirrus> fujisan: ugh
[17:35] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm, mysql is broken :) mysqldump is broken
[17:35] <fujisan> :>
[17:36] <bigcalm> KrisDouglas: what does work?
[17:36] <fujisan> i had win7 on my bedroom pc but it was kinda slow so i put 11.04 on it
[17:36] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: make sure it's stopped, and copying the files is the best you'll get. Hope you don't use InnoDB, because that doesn't like being copied
[17:36] <KrisDouglas> not a lot :)
[17:36] <KrisDouglas> I dislike innodb :)
[17:36] <fujisan> since i only do simply stuff on it anyways perfect for ubuntu
[17:36] <bigcalm> myisam is the default
[17:36] <kirrus> When you get to the new install, just put the files back on top of /var/lib/mysql/
[17:36] <fujisan> how do i install spotify on 11.04 same as 10.10?
[17:36] <KrisDouglas> will they automatically kick in, kirrus?
[17:37] <kirrus> Aye.. for now. The MySQL devs want to change InnoDB to the default in the next major release
[17:37] <bigcalm> Hohum
[17:37] <kirrus> KrisDouglas: yes. Make sure MySQL is stopped, and overwrite everything. It includes all your privilage tables and host permissions
[17:37] <KrisDouglas> thank you :)
[17:38] <fujisan> yvw
[17:38] <KrisDouglas> You are a strange creature fujisan
[17:38] <fujisan> welcome you are :)
[17:38] <kirrus> fujisan: yes, just follow spotify's instructions. Still works after a release upgrade as well
[17:39] <fujisan> ye that's what happens when you live vicariously through  television :-x
[17:39] <fujisan> ok ty kirrus
[17:39] <fujisan> 10.10 upgrade to 11.04 was a complete disaster btw had to do a clean install
[17:40] <hamitron> look on the bright side, fresh installs are nice
[17:40] <hamitron> :)
[17:41] <davmor2> fujisan: should of asked me I'd of told you to do a fresh install :D
[17:43] <fujisan> oh noes i can't find my sources list in 11.04 does anyone know how i can get it back?
[17:43] <KrisDouglas> should be in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:43] <KrisDouglas> i can pastebin you mine if you need it
[17:43] <fujisan> i mean the menu entry for it
[17:44] <fujisan> so you will get all that gui
[17:44] <KrisDouglas> Oh
[17:44] <KrisDouglas> Open software centre
[17:45] <KrisDouglas> and go to edit>software sources
[17:45] <KrisDouglas> similar in synaptic.
[17:45] <fujisan> ok ty
[17:45] <KrisDouglas> took me about a week to notice that :D
[17:46] <fujisan> ye very useful to know
[17:47] <KrisDouglas> nearly ten to six and I'm still in the office :(
[17:48] <fujisan> im listening to a song about the spelling bee aint life grand :(
[17:49] <fujisan> Failed to fetch http://repository.spotify.com/dists/stable/non-free/source/Sources  404  Not Found << uhm something went wrong :/
[17:49] <KrisDouglas> I know how the permissions got screwed
[17:50] <fujisan> hmz
[17:50] <KrisDouglas> "Nautilus needs to add some permissions to your folder to share it" he clicked add perms.
[17:53] <kirrus> fujisan: Spotify doesn't have a source repository?
[17:54] <fujisan> deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free
[17:54] <fujisan> that should be it according to their site
[17:55] <kirrus> Do you have a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list next to spotify?
[17:56] <fujisan> i dunno i am not working directly with sources.list
[17:56] <KrisDouglas> check, because it makes for a really annoying error, fujisan
[17:57] <KrisDouglas> as a matter of fact, I had to add Spotify manually to the list because the sources editor didn't seem to add it.
[17:57] <fujisan> cant find the file sources.list
[17:58] <KrisDouglas> just stick "deb http://repository.spotify.com stable non-free" at the bottom without quotes.
[17:59] <fujisan> ok when i open sources.list i just get the gui again from software center
[18:00] <KrisDouglas> open a terminal from applications>accessories
[18:00] <KrisDouglas> and then type gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:01] <fujisan> now i get some error box saying: "Could not download all repository indexes"
[18:03] <fujisan> ok did like you said and added it manually and i am getting the same error
[18:04] <fujisan> ok it seems to install irregardless :>
[18:05] <fujisan> hmz it installed just fine and is currently running dunno why it gave me that error :/
[18:05] <fujisan> meaning it would have worked all along :>
[18:06] <fujisan> well thanks KrisDouglas :)
[18:06] <fujisan> or maybe adding that gpg-key did the trick not sure
[18:12] <KrisDouglas> you need the key too
[18:12] <KrisDouglas> but it will go in the list with or without the key
[18:19] <fujisan> which output module is best again for audio pulse or alsa?
[18:20] <KrisDouglas> pulse imo.
[18:20] <KrisDouglas> but they talk to eachother anyway
[18:20] <fujisan> ok ty
[18:20] <fujisan> i had the same error again with the audio stopping :/
[18:21] <KrisDouglas> Which one is that?
[18:21] <fujisan> it happens when i select pulse as well
[18:21] <fujisan> that the audio stops playing when i play a video
[18:24] <KrisDouglas> in what appa?
[18:24] <KrisDouglas> app?*
[18:24] <fujisan> vlc
[18:24] <fujisan> set it on pulse audio in output module in preferences
[18:24] <fujisan> already a
[18:24] <fujisan> nd also alsa
[18:24] <KrisDouglas> peculiar
[18:24] <fujisan> the error is persistent
[18:25] <fujisan> i am trying to change the hardware profile in Sound Preferences now
[18:57] <Azelphur> ali1234: you have a inspiron duo right? have you tried minecraft on it? :P
[19:09] <grogoreo> hi
[19:10] <grogoreo> I've installed Apache and PHP but when I go onto any .php file firefox just pops up to download the file. I've enabled the php module and restarted.
[19:11] <dwatkins> grogoreo: did you install mod-php?
[19:19] <grogoreo> dwatkins, ye
[19:19] <ali1234> Azelphur: no i dont have one of those
[19:19] <Azelphur> oh :(
[19:20] <MichealH> grogoreo, How did you install it? tasksel?
[19:20] <grogoreo> MichealH, synaptic
[19:21] <MichealH> Hmm
[19:21] <MichealH> Ive only ever did mine with tasksel _> LAMP server
[19:22] <dwatkins> grogoreo: you may need to create symlinks to the php modules in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ from the mods-available directory, but using tasksel is probably easier.
[19:22] <dwatkins> I didn't need to install the symlinks on my server, and it loads php ok after I install libapache2-mod-php5 and its dependencies
[20:35] <Azelphur> Hmm, I'm trying to run bitcoin but it just hangs when I try and launch it
[20:39] <popey> Azelphur: bug 758398
[20:39] <Azelphur> popey: nice
[20:51] <popey> Azelphur: it runs with compiz off, or you can get a patched version
[20:58] <Azelphur> popey: already patched and GPU mining
[20:59] <popey> you dont need the gui client for GPU mining
[21:01] <Azelphur> popey: I know, but I like to see what's going on
[21:01] <popey> heh
[21:01] <popey> what gpu miner you using?
[21:02] <Azelphur> poclbm.py
[21:03] <popey> ah
[21:03] <popey> I'm using the diablominer
[21:05] <Azelphur> popey: fun, any better/will it work with nvidia?
[21:05] <gord> minecraft is my gpu miner :(
[21:05] <popey> dunno
[21:05] <popey> i only have nvidia, so yeah
[21:05] <Azelphur> fun
[21:05] <popey> i also use deepbit so get somewhat more instant results :D
[21:06] <gord> gotten any coins?
[21:06] <popey> yes
[21:07] <gord> interesting, any real world value?
[21:09] <popey> yes :)
[21:11] <gord> iiiinteresting. can i become a quite literal software pirate and hack into peoples gpu mining farms to steal all their coins?
[21:11] <popey> only if you have a parrot
[21:12] <jibadeeha> what is GPU mining is it mining as in data mining using GPU instead of CPU?
[21:13] <popey> its doing complex mathematical equasions using the GPU
[21:13] <popey> which is good at that
[21:13] <popey> -typos
[21:13] <popey> mining specifically means looking for bitcoins
[21:13] <jibadeeha> thanks popey - had not heard of it until now
[21:13] <gord> http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2011/05/04/intel-reinvents-transistors-using-new-3-d-structure - iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting
[21:13] <popey> google bitcoin :)
[21:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> "More than 6 million 22nm Tri-Gate transistors could fit in the period at the end of this sentence."
[21:17] <Azelphur> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/05/04/1749215/Sony-Officially-Blames-Anonymous-For-PSN-Hack lolol
[21:17] <Azelphur> when anonymous takes credit, it's maintenance. When anonymous states "It wasn't us", it's anonymous :P
[21:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just wait until ARM work out how to employ tri-gate technology.
[21:18]  * popey notes that wgetting an iso from releases.ubuntu.com now redirects to a cloudfront content delivery network
[21:18]  * popey suspects this may have been wise a week or so ago :)
[21:25] <Azelphur> popey: my GTX 570 is doing 109mhash/sec and my 8800GT is doing 22khash/sec :D
[21:25] <Azelphur> and I have them both rate limited such that desktop things run smooth
[21:26] <gord> huh... maybe apt repos should go in cloud stuff?
[21:26] <gord> ooooh updates via ubuntu one anyone? ;)
[21:44] <Azelphur> popey: according to bitcoinx.com my projected bitcoin profit is around 40BTC/mo ($145) :D
[21:44] <popey> nice
[21:44] <popey> whats the electricity bill to run those GPUs at fill tilt?
[21:44] <Azelphur> dunno :P
[21:45] <Azelphur> popey: less than $145, that's for sure
[22:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Taking Notes at UDS - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/04/taking-notes/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=taking-notes
[23:04] <popey> AlanBell: typo in your blog post, 10.10 should be 11.10
[23:12] <AlanBell> thanks
[23:14] <popey> AlanBell: is there any reason not to show the nicknames of people editing?
[23:15] <AlanBell> no
[23:15] <AlanBell> the idea is to do so
[23:15] <popey> good stuff
[23:15] <popey> i look forward to that :)
[23:15] <AlanBell> but without the chat window or any other UI
[23:16] <AlanBell> so take this: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-o-community-o-unity-developer-participation
[23:16] <AlanBell> remove the bottom right pane so the list of names goes all the way down the right hand side
[23:16] <popey> yeah
[23:16] <popey> sounds great
[23:16] <AlanBell> and remove everything above the list of names and the pad itself
[23:21] <bigcalm> popey: new hardware has been dispatched or installed?
[23:21] <popey> i havent installed it yet
[23:22] <bigcalm> :O
[23:22] <popey> i have it here
[23:22] <bigcalm> popey: I think you need to hand in your geek licence
[23:22] <popey> :)
[23:22] <popey> well, i have been using the internet :)
[23:23] <popey> bah
[23:23] <popey> i copied some GB to a usb stick then shutdown the pc
[23:23] <popey> its still shutting down
[23:23] <popey> well, writing to the usb stick!