[00:52] <Cheri703> rawr
[00:56] <Unit193> Eh?
[00:58] <Cheri703> eh, just tons to do and not doing it
[01:19] <Unit193> Great. The computer is now set to autoboot memtest ...with no grub screen
[01:20] <Cheri703> heh
[01:20] <Cheri703> you could liveboot and then edit grub conf
[01:27] <Unit193> It's set to the one I want.... Wha?
[01:28] <dmcglone1> hiya
[01:28] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Hello
[01:29] <Cheri703> hi
[01:29] <Unit193> I like the old grub much better...
[01:31] <Unit193> Still the wrong kernel, but not memtest!
[01:31] <Cheri703> progress!
[01:32] <dmcglone1> my wife just got a glimpse of Unity, she's bitchin.. LOL
[01:32] <Cheri703> heh
[01:32] <dmcglone1> she sure as hell doesn't want it
[01:33] <Unit193> What are you going to give her?
[01:33] <dmcglone1> well at the moment she's running KDE and is bitchin about that, so I showed her my unity install and she said hell no, so I guess it's Gnome 10.10
[01:34] <dmcglone1> I mean Ubuntu 10.10
[01:36] <dmcglone1> looks like Unity is gonna be a hard sell to casual users for Ubuntu :-/
[01:37] <Unit193> dmcglone1: You going to show the other Ubuntus? You could rollback to 10.04 (LTS)
[01:38] <dmcglone1> She used to have 10.10
[01:39] <Unit193> So if I point StartupManager to the kernel I want, it sets memtest as default.... grrrrr
[01:45]  * dmcglone1 is installing Gnome on my netbook
[01:45] <dmcglone1> from there going to gnome 3
[02:49] <Unit193> It's just not going to take that kernel....
[03:06] <canthus13> That's weird...
[03:07] <Unit193> And I need to figure out how to install grub menu
[03:07] <jgould> well...  It seems that my issues with what ever was causing the crash on boot have been resolved by an upstream patch...
[03:09] <canthus13> Unit193: That's weird. My wife's machine can't get grub menu to work.. She's running Lucid.
[03:09] <canthus13> It boots straight with no menu.  I'm running Maverick and it comes up just fine.
[03:09] <Unit193> Eh... I don't think I checked that option at boot
[03:09] <Unit193> s/boot/install
[03:12] <Cheri703> canthus13: any word on the sully toy?
[03:12] <Cheri703> I leave on saturday (as long as I can get a ride to the airport -_-)
[03:13] <canthus13> In the mail tomorrow. Last two days have been crazy.... It should make it in time, though. I'll mail it from the post office.
[03:14] <Cheri703> ok
[03:14] <Cheri703> no problem, just wanted to check :)
[03:15] <Cheri703> I have so much stuff to do >.< I'm trying to convince myself to tackle it all :/
[03:23] <canthus13> Heh. gotta do it... It'd suck to show up in Hungary and realize you didn't pack underwear...
[03:23] <jgould> That would suck
[03:24] <Cheri703> true
[03:24] <Cheri703> I have a bunch of laundry going so I can figure out what to pack
[03:24] <jgould> I hate it when I get cold feet
[03:25] <Cheri703> my list for the week thus far: acquire second suitcase, pack, doctor's appointment tomorrow, plan open week session, present open week session, locate a ride to the dang airport
[03:25] <Cheri703> *plus all of the regular crap around here
[03:25] <jgould> Where are you Cheri703 (and which airport are you flying out of?
[03:25] <Cheri703> I'm in mansfield and I'm going to columbus :/
[03:26] <Cheri703> that's the difficulty
[03:26] <Cheri703> if I was still in columbus, I'd be fine
[03:26] <Cheri703> I have enough people who owed me from times I picked them up ;)
[03:26] <jgould> If I had a reson to go to mansfield, I'd pick you up and drop you off at CMH
[03:27] <Cheri703> heh, I appreciate it
[03:27] <Cheri703> mansfield is AWESOME >.>
[03:28] <Cheri703> one option I'm considering is getting a ride to cbus friday night (if possible) and crashing at a friend's house and then going in the morning from there. that greatly shortens my time table though :/
[03:30] <jgould> Just a little bit
[03:30] <Cheri703> you under estimate how late I stay up
[03:31] <Cheri703> to get to columbus at a reasonable hour (even by 10) would require leaving by 9, which would cut 4-5 hours off of my general "doing stuff" time...possibly even more
[03:32] <Cheri703> not counting any time in the morning
[03:38] <jgould> I stay up late when Our jobs at work slow down (which they are, and layoffs are looming again...)
[03:39] <Cheri703> where do you work?
[03:40] <jgould> I work for a little company called Lifetouch National School Studos
[03:40] <jgould> er Studios
[03:40] <Cheri703> wait...lifetouch...where is that?
[03:40] <Cheri703> that sounds vaguely familiar
[03:40] <Cheri703> is there another place called lifetouch?
[03:41] <jgould> We have subsidiaries...  Not that I know of
[03:41] <jgould> where, we are an international company with offices around the US and Canada
[03:41] <Cheri703> ah, ok, I'm thinking of lifetouch church directories...I had to go there for my old job
[03:42] <jgould> That's owned by us.  I work for NSS as a photographer.  I've said in the past that almost everyone has heard of us, but few know what we do
[03:43] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[03:43] <Cheri703> that's cool
[03:43] <Cheri703> I worked for a short time at "picture people" omg it was horrible. I like photography, but that place...
[03:43] <jgould> I need to find something else to do
[03:43] <Cheri703> this is what I'm up to these days: www.TechHeroOhio.com  need more clients though :/
[03:44] <jgould> That helps
[03:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: You should change those bottom lines.. They give a double vision effect that's a bit disconcerting.
[03:45] <Cheri703> ok
[03:45] <canthus13> Side-by-side of offset a bit more, maybe.
[03:45] <jgould> I'm just happy that I am working in Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro 8,1...
[03:45] <Cheri703> I was pondering whether I needed to have both email AND web address (that's basically my flyer, but with different font)
[03:48] <jgould> So what goes on at a Ubuntu Hour
[03:49] <Cheri703> at ours we just hang out and chat
[03:49] <jgould> Sounds like waht we did Sunday XD
[03:49] <Cheri703> heh, possibly
[03:50] <jgould> With Jacob's machine attached to the projector
[03:52] <jgould> Hmm... Too bad Evoloution cant' do Google Calendars...
[03:53] <Cheri703> it can!
[03:53] <Cheri703> I use it...
[03:53] <jgould> two way sync?
[03:53] <Cheri703> I like having my google calendars synced with the applet
[03:53] <Cheri703> yep
[03:54] <Cheri703> do "new calendar" type drop down to Google
[03:54] <Cheri703> it's awesome
[03:54] <jgould> With Jacob's machine attached to the projector
[03:54] <jgould> er
[03:54] <jgould> *Gasps*
[03:54] <jgould> Yay~
[03:55] <jgould> How does it handle multiple calanders? (I use two gmail accounts almost exlcusivly with the calendar
[03:55] <Cheri703> I have like 4 different google calendars synced
[03:55] <Cheri703> it's fine
[03:56] <jgould> And it's an all in one app, which I like better than the Mail/iCal/Address Book trio that apple uses
[03:57] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:57] <Cheri703> on my netbook, the google calendar page is a PAIN unless I put firefox into full screen
[03:58] <jgould> How big is the scren on your netbook?
[04:00] <Cheri703> 10.1"
[04:04] <jgould> I've thought about getting a netbook for an even more portable machine than the 13.3" MacBook Pro, but I fear that I will run into the same issue that I did with the 11.6" MacBook Air...  The screen was too short and it hurt my neck to use it for an extended period of time
[04:05] <Cheri703> I like mine a lot
[04:05] <Cheri703> I was using a 15" for a while (not especially wide screen, was kind of tallish), and I didn't like that there was only a VERY specific spot that looked "right" instead of the crappy "wrong angle lcd" appearance
[04:06] <Cheri703> canthus13: check it now
[04:08] <jgould> Wow...  I've only  really been back in teh commmunity for a few days and I'm already helping people in teh Ubuntu fourms... XD
[04:08] <Cheri703> heh, go you!
[04:09] <canthus13> Much better. :)
[04:09] <jgould> I like the new version better aws well
[04:09] <jgould> I can't type worth a damn, but hey
[04:10] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[04:10] <Cheri703> I had just uploaded the equivalent of my initial flyer. I'd since redone it, so I updated to match that (and take off the website)
[04:12] <jgould> do you just delete messages from the inbox in evloution to archive them?  (I can't rememmber.  It's been a while...)
[04:14] <Cheri703> I don't use evolution for email
[04:15] <jgould> I find it easier to do it all in one place
[04:15]  * canthus13 does all of his emailing in one place: gmail. :)
[04:15] <Cheri703> same here
[04:15] <canthus13> Much easier than dealing with a mail client. :/
[04:15] <jgould> unless you have 3 accounts that you bounce between on a regular basis...
[04:17]  * Cheri703 sets gmail to check the others, also to send as others
[04:18] <jgould> How does that work from a mobile device?  I send and recive off of all three from my BlackBerry
[04:18]  * Unit193 uses Alpine half the time, gmail half the time and Thunderbird the rest of the time :D
[04:19] <Cheri703> I could use the main mail thing, or gmail...either one...
[04:19] <canthus13> jgould: I just use the gmail mobile client for my phone. (not blackberry, but gmail seems to have a client for everything...)
[04:20] <jgould> If I do that, then there is no reason to have the blackberry... :P (Although it about got tossed into traffic the other day on Hilliard Rome Road because it was pissing me off...)
[04:21]  * Cheri703 hearts android
[04:21] <jgould> I'm leaning toward andriod.  My love for Apple is slowly waning
[04:21]  * canthus13 is still looking to get a Pre/Pre plus.. WebOS <3
[04:22]  * canthus13 lost his love for Apple around 1991.
[04:23] <jgould> The build quality on my Macbook is great, If I would have knowm that I was goign to have problems, I would have kept my C2D MBP and not gotten this Core i5...
[04:24] <jgould> Now I'm thinking ahead to when this one goes and depending on how much I'm using Ubuntu as a primary OS, looking at System76 for the next one
[04:25] <jgould> A little over $200 cheaper for pretty much the same comptuer. (This one has an i5, the Lemur has an i3)
[04:26] <canthus13> System76 builds some really sweet hardware.
[04:26] <Unit193> Don't System76 run a little high in price?
[04:26] <canthus13> No. Mac runs a little(lot) high in price. :)
[04:26] <jgould> Doesn't look like it
[04:27] <canthus13> They're not cheap (Acer/HP/Gateway).  They're priced more like a good HP business laptop or a higher-end Dell.
[04:27] <canthus13> From what I've seen, they're worth it.  And I like the guys that I've met that work there. :)
[04:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's the netbook holding up so far?
[04:27] <jgould> This is one of those indrusties that is a "You get what you pay for" thing
[04:27] <canthus13> to a degree. I don't see Mac being worth the stupid price.
[04:28] <Cheri703> they replaced the case, but...the customer service is SEVERELY LACKING...don't go zareason
[04:28] <Cheri703> :/
[04:28] <Cheri703> the computer itself is fine
[04:28] <Cheri703> the crappy email I got from the ceo of the company is NOT
[04:28]  * canthus13 won't be recommending zareason for a while...
[04:29] <Cheri703> yeah...I'm glad they fixed it, but...even then, crappy customer service
[04:29] <jgould> I will say that every time I've had a hardware problem (with the exception of the dog giving the MacBook I bought in early 2009 a drink of cofffee) Apple has fixed issues without much fuss.
[04:29] <jgould> I had an intermitent screen flicker and they repalced the inverter board just on my word. (which did fix it by the way)
[04:31] <canthus13> jgould: I've heard nightmare stories about apple service.. of course I've heard the same about Dell, and my dad hasn't had a single issue with them (aside from one know-it-all that tried to blame the hard drive when the machine wouldn't post, but he caved when I got on the line and told him I was Dell certified (I'm not, but A+))
[04:31]  * canthus13 personally will never buy HP again for the customer service.
[04:31]  * canthus13 has had 3 dell laptops so far, and the only one to die was one that got stepped on and then dropped off a table.
[04:32] <canthus13> And that one was 8 years old. :D
[04:35] <jgould> Dell's customer service is funny...  My wife has an insprion 600m that the dog threw up in.  (He had drank a lot of water and it was too much) I dumped the machine, opened it up, determined the only thing I needed was a keyboard, called and told the guy to send me the keyboard, and he was like "You need to send it in." I sighed and said, It's just the keyboard, send me the damn thing or go get yoru
[04:35] <jgould> supervisor." needless to say, I got the keyboard.  by that point I had replaced 4 or 5 keyboards... She strikes hard....
[04:42] <canthus13> jgould: My dad also buys XPS systems exclusively, which have different service contracts than the cheaper systems, so that probably makes a difference.
[04:46] <jgould> probably.  I love the way to install software in Ubuntu
[04:47] <canthus13> Repos make it soooo easy. :)
[04:49] <jgould> Yes.  I wonder how hard it would be to create a list of software that you've installed on one machineso you can install it on the other...
[04:49] <Cheri703> SUPER EASY
[04:50] <Cheri703> in synaptic, you can save markings
[04:52] <jgould> Taht would install stuff that I need on one machine, but not the other (eg. ndiswrapper)
[04:53] <canthus13> There's a way to export the installed package list and import it on another machine... Use it for reinstalls, usually. I just don't remember what the command is.
[04:54] <canthus13> jgould: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261366
[04:54] <Cheri703> you can save it and then restore it on another machine
[04:54] <canthus13> Just edit the list and remove the stuff you don't want.
[04:55] <jgould> Lets see you do that on an OS that isn't a Ubuntu/Debian deritive!
[04:58] <canthus13> redhat-style systems can do it as well.
[04:58] <canthus13> but forget windows. :)
[04:58] <canthus13> OSX could be set up for it fairly easily.
[04:59] <jgould> Why can't gmail imap to itself...
[04:59] <jgould> canthus13: I think that's part of the reason for the App Store.  Linux has been doing it for years though...
[04:59] <canthus13> Yeah, but you don't pay for ubuntu repos. :)
[05:00] <canthus13> Actually, nm. that's not true.. there *are* a few items for sale in there.
[05:02] <jgould> I know.  One of the peices of software I have under OS X is going to be payware for the linux version.  I will probably buy it
[05:03] <canthus13> don't say that too loud.. the freetards will yell at you. :(
[05:03] <jgould> It's some very specialized writing software that fits the way I write
[05:04] <jgould> but I can't seem to type tonight
[05:05]  * canthus13 has no issue with pay software. If he could afford it, and they ported it to Linux, he'd probably buy Photoshop.
[05:07] <Unit193> Free software = software you don't pay for!!
[05:07] <canthus13> yeah...?
[05:07] <jgould> There's a lot of software that I use that I can't afford
[05:07] <jgould> I understand making money, but some of the prices they charge are outragious
[05:08] <Unit193> canthus13: Freetards think Free software = OpenSource
[05:08] <canthus13> jgould: Generally, the more specialized the software is, the more expensive it is, because the market is smaller and dev costs have to be recouped.
[05:08] <Cheri703> teamviewer has INSANE prices
[05:09]  * canthus13 never checked into their prices.
[05:09] <Cheri703> it's crazy
[05:09] <canthus13> gotoassist is actually reasonable iirc.
[05:09]  * canthus13 wonders how feasible skype's screensharing is for support...
[05:09] <Cheri703> is it cross platform? and VERY easy on the other side?
[05:09] <Cheri703> horrible
[05:12] <dmcglone27> that was a disaster
[05:13] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Then don't do it again!
[05:13] <dmcglone27> Thought I was never gonna get this netbook running again
[05:13] <Unit193> Unity?
[05:13] <jgould> What did yo do to it
[05:13] <dmcglone27> I tried installing gnome, then upgrading to gnome 3 and poof it all went south
[05:14] <dmcglone27> I'm back to 10.10
[05:14] <dmcglone27> I'm sticking with 10.10 and Gnome 3
[05:18] <jgould> Gah... nidswrapper just took out my Macbook
[05:18] <dmcglone27> again?
[05:18] <jgould> sye
[05:18] <jgould> er yep
[05:19] <dmcglone27> dang
[05:19] <dmcglone27> that sux
[05:19] <canthus13> ndiswarper...
[05:19] <jgould> yeah, that
[05:20] <jgould> Now lets see if I can get it to come back up
[05:21] <jgould> that was weird...
[05:23] <jgould> Nope,  My kernel bug still exists...
[05:23] <jgould> :(
[05:24] <canthus13> Bummer... :(
[05:24] <jgould> I wonder if rolling my own kernel would help...
[05:25] <Unit193> There is mainline on launchpad
[05:25] <dmcglone27> have you tried the server kernel?
[05:25] <jgould> Not yet,  It's going to take a reinstall to do anything now
[05:38] <jgould> I wonder if starting minimal and adding things in manually would help with this issue...
[05:40] <dmcglone27> when you re-install, go with the server edition and see if you have the same problem
[05:42] <jgould> I'll need to grab the 64 bit server edition
[05:46] <dmcglone27> it's worth a shot
[05:47] <jgould> Yep
[05:47] <jgould> How many others would have just given up?
[05:48] <dmcglone27> yup, I agree
[05:48] <dmcglone27> brb
[05:55] <jgould> well, this sounds like shit
[05:57] <dmcglone27> Ok running gnome 3
[05:57] <dmcglone27> I'm about to call it a night
[05:58] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Does it like nice and pretty?
[05:58] <dmcglone27> It's nice, but can't say if I'll like it long term
[06:01] <jgould> dmcglone27: I'm going to try the see what happens
[06:02] <dmcglone27> good luck
[06:03] <dmcglone27> Unit193: seen gnome 3 yet?
[06:03] <Unit193> dmcglone27: No
[06:04] <Unit193> Have some handy SS?
[06:05] <dmcglone27> hang on I'll get some
[06:10] <jgould> Interesting.  If you hold your windows key, numbers will appear on the launcher in Unity and you can just hit the windows key and the number and be th ere
[06:29] <jgould> At this point I'm tempted to grab 11.10 and see what I can do with it
[06:30] <Unit193> 11.10?
[06:32] <dmcglone27> Unit193: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg8/
[06:33] <dmcglone27> http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg7/
[06:34] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Not bad at all!
[06:35] <dmcglone27> I have it installed alongside the default gnome, so I can use either one
[06:35] <Unit193> I might even try Gnome with that...
[06:36] <jgould> Unit193: The alpha (!) release of the next version.  Who knows it may work better...
[06:37] <dmcglone27> Unit apt-get install gnome3-session
[06:37] <dmcglone27> log out and back into gnome 3
[06:38] <Unit193> That's default settings?
[06:38] <Unit193> And they dumped that for Unity...
[06:38] <dmcglone27> yup
[06:43] <dmcglone27> I can actually say I like this way better than Unity
[06:45] <jgould> Hmmm.. I can't install gnome3,  It needs gnome-shell wich isn't in the repo... (11.04)
[06:46] <dmcglone27> that was my problem jgould so I tried installing gnome classic first then gnome 3 and everything went south
[06:46] <dmcglone27> so I re-installed 10.10 and gnome 3
[06:46] <dmcglone27> 11.04 is shitty!
[06:47] <dmcglone27> what about you Unit193 did you get it?
[06:48] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Nothings going to happen right now
[06:48] <Unit193> I may try it in VBox...
[06:48] <dmcglone27> cool, I can almost guarantee you will like it
[06:49] <jgould> I wonder how the MacBook will respond if I roll it back to 10.04 or even 10.10
[06:49] <dmcglone27> we are gonna have to get used to this new format sooner or later, because I can see everybody doing it soon
[06:49] <dmcglone27> I'm not sure jgould
[06:49] <Unit193> Last time using Ubuntu full install was 6.10 and I'm not changing that soon...
[06:50] <dmcglone27> well I'm gonna get some shut eye, I'll see y'all tomorrow
[06:51] <jgould> Night
[06:51] <dmcglone27> Oh yeah, one more thing before I go, gnome 3 moved the damn icons back to the right side where they belong!!! :-)
[06:51] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Have a good rest!! (Thanks for the SS)
[06:51] <dmcglone27> Ok, no problem. night guys
[06:52] <Unit193> Min, Max, Close?
[06:52] <jgould> dunno
[06:52] <jgould> Heh
[06:52] <jgould> Are you in columbus, Unit?
[06:52] <Unit193> jgould: Having fun? ;)
[06:52] <Unit193> No I'm not...
[06:52] <jgould> Loads of fun.  More than I should be allowed ot have
[06:52]  * Unit193 wanted to go to the C-Bus thing
[06:53] <jgould> I was there.  First LoCo event ever
[06:53] <Unit193> Other then U-H, it would have been mine...
[06:54] <Unit193> I SO wanted to go...
[06:54] <jgould> U-H?
[06:55] <Unit193> Ubuntu Hour
[06:55] <jgould> I may go to that tomorrow.  Not sure yet.  I don't think the Missses will tag along, she was bored at the LoCo event on sunday..
[06:56] <Unit193> Come to mine?
[06:56] <Unit193> ;)
[06:56] <Cheri703> Unit193: he's in cbus
[06:56] <Unit193> I know... ---> ;)
[06:57] <jgould> Which one is yours?
[06:59] <jgould> any one else have a little blue triangle at the upper left of thier screen in Unity on 11.04?
[07:00] <Unit193> I'm not sorry, I don't use Unity
[07:05] <jgould> hmm...
[07:11] <Unit193> Cyanide and Happiness anyone?
[07:16] <jgould> Anyone else having issues with backspace not working in FF/Chrome
[07:17] <jgould> Be right back...
[07:21] <jgould> How in the hell do you pick another kernel?
[07:25] <Unit193> Last ones here: apt-cache search kernel image
[07:26] <Unit193> What one are you looking for?
[07:26] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install linux-image-virtual
[07:27] <jgould> something other than generic to see if my issue with the i915 driver is limited to generic
[07:28] <Unit193> Server or Liquorix?
[07:28] <jgould> I'm tempted to try to compile my own kernel... It's been about ten years since I've done that
[07:28] <jgould> I'm trying server
[07:38] <jgould> damn it
[07:39] <Unit193> Still errors?
[07:39] <jgould> Yep
[07:42] <jgould> I'm going to give 10.04 a shot...
[07:44] <jgould> I figure I can't hurt anything
[07:51] <Unit193> Wireless card (I don't remember)
[07:54] <jgould> Nope
[07:54] <jgould> [drm:intel_dsm_pci_probe] *ERROR* failed to get supported _DSM functions
[07:54] <jgould> It's a kernel bug with the i915 chipset
[07:58] <Unit193> jgould: Did you look at this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelTeam%2FMainlineBuilds
[08:01] <jgould> This is making my head hurt
[08:02] <Unit193> I can't help any...
[08:08] <jgould> Doing what I'm doing is how bugs get fixed...
[08:13] <Unit193> jgould: I think someone in one of my other channels has the same device
[08:15] <Unit193> Were you getting freezes from screen-savers?
[08:19] <jgould> No
[08:25] <jgould> My problem occurs on boot, and once it does, there is no recovering
[08:25] <Unit193> "xorg had an update today for intel chipsets"
[08:26]  * Unit193 <--- REALLY can't help
[08:26] <jgould> This is kernel level
[08:27] <Unit193> Yep...
[10:24] <jgould> *gru05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> m05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> bl05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> us
[10:25] <jgould> ok then05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> 05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[11:57] <canthus13> ..?
[13:42] <Derath-Srvr> <-- owns a System76 Lappy, and has loved it... paid extra for 3 year warranty (which I think is just about to expire, if not already...)
[17:02]  * jgould finds the nearest wall
[18:19] <jgould> Ok, I can say I've filed my first bug...
[18:38] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[18:38] <Derath-Srvr> For the macbook graphics?
[18:39] <jgould> Yep
[18:58] <jgould> intresting...
[18:58] <dmcglone> jgould: managed to try gnome 3 yet?
[18:59] <jgould> Nope.  Still fighting with the macbook
[19:19] <dmcglone> Where is the stupid home icon located in the filesystem? I looked all over /usr/share/icons and nothing
[19:56] <jgould> Something intresting of note...  Under Ubuntu, the keyboard backlighting works.  Under Xubuntu, it doesn't
[20:00] <Unit193> apt-cache show pommed
[20:00] <jgould> busted install.  Irrelevent...
[20:00] <Unit193> I know - pommed also monitors the ambient light sensors to automatically light up the keyboard backlight on machines that support it.
[20:01] <jgould> 10.04 is out.  There isn't even support for the wired network card...
[20:02] <jgould> I *will* get this working or die trying...
[20:03] <Unit193> Did you try anything other then Ubuntu? What works, works (And maybe you can steal the kernel too )
[20:04] <jgould> No I haven't.  Maybe I should...
[20:04] <jgould> I wonder what kernel debian 6 is using for a default
[20:05] <deejoe> jgould: 2.6.32-5-xen-686 is what I have on one of my Debian 6 boxes
[20:07] <jgould> We'll give it a shot.  Can't be any worse than what I'm working with now...
[20:08] <jgould> I also wonder why I am unable to boot from a usb Drive on this macBook
[20:13] <jgould> I need to learn more about weechat...
[20:14] <Unit193> There are quickstart guides online
[20:17] <jgould> yep.  Been too busy dealing with the macbook and trying to get it to work
[20:18] <Unit193> Note to self: Don't try to get cousin to dual-boot
[20:19] <jgould> Why?
[20:19] <Unit193> He has a Mac
[20:19] <jgould> which mac
[20:20] <jgould> my issue is specific to this model (MacBook Pro 8,x)
[20:21] <Unit193> I have no idea... I only know what it looks like (Not really done anything with it)
[20:21] <jgould> How long has he had it?
[20:22] <Unit193> I think this year (We don't visit much, they are out of state)
[20:22] <jgould> Laptop or desktop?
[20:23] <Unit193> Silver Laptop
[20:23] <jgould> do you know if it has a thunderbolt port?
[20:24] <Unit193> No I don't...
[20:25] <jgould> Debian 6 can't see the network card..
[20:27] <jgould> So  much for trying debian 6
[20:27] <Derath-Srvr> lol @ Unit
[20:27] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: What? I don't know what Mac he has (I've only seen it once or twice)
[20:28] <Derath-Srvr> Just laughing over dual'ing it... lol
[20:28] <jgould> With the random issues I've had with this MacBook, I regret taking the c2d MBP back...
[20:41] <jgould> Hmmm.  It looks like this thing did get networking after all
[20:42] <jgould> Derath-Srvr: If I can get this working, I'm going to be dualing my MBP
[21:18] <Unit193> Welcome back Cheri703
[21:19] <Cheri703> thanks, was out running a bunch of errands
[21:19] <jgould> Welcome back.
[21:20]  * jgould bashes his head into a wall
[21:21] <Unit193> jgould is still having issues with his Mac (And about 70% would have said goodbye to Ubuntu)
[21:22] <Cheri703> ha jgould last thing I saw before signing off was: * jgould finds the nearest wall
[21:22] <canthus13> Cheri703: Sully should be there by friday.
[21:22] <jgould> Heh
[21:23] <Cheri703> good to know canthus13 :)
[21:25] <jgould> Ok.  Unity was ok for a little bit, but now it's just annoying
[21:27] <dmcglone1> jgould: try gnome 3 it's good
[21:27] <dmcglone1> really good
[21:27] <Unit193> Linux Journal has something about Unity
[21:27] <jgould> Unit193: is it good?
[21:28] <Unit193> jgould: It's a video...
[21:32] <jgould> dmcglone1: I have to get a working system before I worry about gnome 3
[21:33] <dmcglone1> I keep forgetting you can't get anything working :-/
[21:39] <Unit193> dmcglone1: If it was on Ubunbtu, I would try it in a VM
[21:39] <dmcglone1> it's in the repos
[21:40] <Unit193> I know. They should make a Gubuntu
[21:41] <dmcglone1> up package manager to install gnome3-session
[21:41] <dmcglone1> use that is
[21:42] <Unit193> -shell isn't in 11 repos, right?
[21:42] <dmcglone1> no
[21:42] <dmcglone1> I installed 10.10 and it was there
[21:44] <jgould> Has anyone seen my brain?
[21:45] <Unit193> Was that what I was tossing around??
[21:45] <jgould> Heh
[21:46] <dmcglone1> no wonder it's fucked up
[21:47] <jgould> Heh
[21:48] <jgould> Well,  My bug report just got confirmed.  What does that mean?
[21:48] <Unit193> Link?
[21:49] <dmcglone1> it means it was confirmed to exsist
[21:49] <Derath-Srvr> means they know it's a real bug...
[21:51] <jgould> Good.  Maybe I'll get a fix and then I can fix the hole in the wall...
[21:51] <dmcglone1> don't hold your breath
[21:56] <jgould> Why do you say that
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> Aside from taking a while to reproduce and fix?
[21:57] <dmcglone1> sometimes it takes a long time to fix bugs
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> Well, time to go home...
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> laters
[21:59] <dmcglone1> later
[22:27] <dmcglone> hi
[22:28] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1, dmcglone
[22:28] <Unit193> I thought one would be weechat...
[22:29] <dmcglone> this is his douter  i did not mean to say that sorry
[22:29] <Unit193> Well, hello there!
[22:30] <dmcglone> i cant talk sorry so sorry
[22:30] <dmcglone> bot i am amy
[22:30] <Unit193> NP :x <-- me
[22:30] <dmcglone> wa
[23:53] <dmcglone1> Ha I see my daughter Amy stopped in
[23:54] <dmcglone1> She was on my desktop in the other room while I was cooking dinner
[23:55] <dmcglone1> Unit193: Actually dmcglone1 is my netbook and dmcglone is my desktop :-)
[23:56] <Unit193> School?
[23:56] <dmcglone1> I'm not following
[23:57] <dmcglone1> if you mean the kids, they are out for the day, they get out at 3:00
[23:57] <Unit193> Did she have homework to go?
[23:57] <dmcglone1> Ah no, this week is OAA testing so no homework
[23:58] <dmcglone1> I'm happy there's no homework, because I have to help them most of the time. It's like I'm going through school all over again :-/