[00:52] rawr [00:56] Eh? [00:58] eh, just tons to do and not doing it [01:19] Great. The computer is now set to autoboot memtest ...with no grub screen [01:20] heh [01:20] you could liveboot and then edit grub conf [01:27] It's set to the one I want.... Wha? [01:28] hiya [01:28] dmcglone1: Hello [01:29] hi [01:29] I like the old grub much better... [01:31] Still the wrong kernel, but not memtest! [01:31] progress! [01:32] my wife just got a glimpse of Unity, she's bitchin.. LOL [01:32] heh [01:32] she sure as hell doesn't want it [01:33] What are you going to give her? [01:33] well at the moment she's running KDE and is bitchin about that, so I showed her my unity install and she said hell no, so I guess it's Gnome 10.10 [01:34] I mean Ubuntu 10.10 [01:36] looks like Unity is gonna be a hard sell to casual users for Ubuntu :-/ [01:37] dmcglone1: You going to show the other Ubuntus? You could rollback to 10.04 (LTS) [01:38] She used to have 10.10 [01:39] So if I point StartupManager to the kernel I want, it sets memtest as default.... grrrrr [01:45] * dmcglone1 is installing Gnome on my netbook [01:45] from there going to gnome 3 [02:49] It's just not going to take that kernel.... [03:06] That's weird... [03:07] And I need to figure out how to install grub menu [03:07] well... It seems that my issues with what ever was causing the crash on boot have been resolved by an upstream patch... [03:09] Unit193: That's weird. My wife's machine can't get grub menu to work.. She's running Lucid. [03:09] It boots straight with no menu. I'm running Maverick and it comes up just fine. [03:09] Eh... I don't think I checked that option at boot [03:09] s/boot/install [03:12] canthus13: any word on the sully toy? [03:12] I leave on saturday (as long as I can get a ride to the airport -_-) [03:13] In the mail tomorrow. Last two days have been crazy.... It should make it in time, though. I'll mail it from the post office. [03:14] ok [03:14] no problem, just wanted to check :) [03:15] I have so much stuff to do >.< I'm trying to convince myself to tackle it all :/ [03:23] Heh. gotta do it... It'd suck to show up in Hungary and realize you didn't pack underwear... [03:23] That would suck [03:24] true [03:24] I have a bunch of laundry going so I can figure out what to pack [03:24] I hate it when I get cold feet [03:25] my list for the week thus far: acquire second suitcase, pack, doctor's appointment tomorrow, plan open week session, present open week session, locate a ride to the dang airport [03:25] *plus all of the regular crap around here [03:25] Where are you Cheri703 (and which airport are you flying out of? [03:25] I'm in mansfield and I'm going to columbus :/ [03:26] that's the difficulty [03:26] if I was still in columbus, I'd be fine [03:26] I have enough people who owed me from times I picked them up ;) [03:26] If I had a reson to go to mansfield, I'd pick you up and drop you off at CMH [03:27] heh, I appreciate it [03:27] mansfield is AWESOME >.> [03:28] one option I'm considering is getting a ride to cbus friday night (if possible) and crashing at a friend's house and then going in the morning from there. that greatly shortens my time table though :/ [03:30] Just a little bit [03:30] you under estimate how late I stay up [03:31] to get to columbus at a reasonable hour (even by 10) would require leaving by 9, which would cut 4-5 hours off of my general "doing stuff" time...possibly even more [03:32] not counting any time in the morning [03:38] I stay up late when Our jobs at work slow down (which they are, and layoffs are looming again...) [03:39] where do you work? [03:40] I work for a little company called Lifetouch National School Studos [03:40] er Studios [03:40] wait...lifetouch...where is that? [03:40] that sounds vaguely familiar [03:40] is there another place called lifetouch? [03:41] We have subsidiaries... Not that I know of [03:41] where, we are an international company with offices around the US and Canada [03:41] ah, ok, I'm thinking of lifetouch church directories...I had to go there for my old job [03:42] That's owned by us. I work for NSS as a photographer. I've said in the past that almost everyone has heard of us, but few know what we do [03:43] ah, gotcha [03:43] that's cool [03:43] I worked for a short time at "picture people" omg it was horrible. I like photography, but that place... [03:43] I need to find something else to do [03:43] this is what I'm up to these days: www.TechHeroOhio.com need more clients though :/ [03:44] That helps [03:44] Cheri703: You should change those bottom lines.. They give a double vision effect that's a bit disconcerting. [03:45] ok [03:45] Side-by-side of offset a bit more, maybe. [03:45] I'm just happy that I am working in Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro 8,1... [03:45] I was pondering whether I needed to have both email AND web address (that's basically my flyer, but with different font) [03:48] So what goes on at a Ubuntu Hour [03:49] at ours we just hang out and chat [03:49] Sounds like waht we did Sunday XD [03:49] heh, possibly [03:50] With Jacob's machine attached to the projector [03:52] Hmm... Too bad Evoloution cant' do Google Calendars... [03:53] it can! [03:53] I use it... [03:53] two way sync? [03:53] I like having my google calendars synced with the applet [03:53] yep [03:54] do "new calendar" type drop down to Google [03:54] it's awesome [03:54] With Jacob's machine attached to the projector [03:54] er [03:54] *Gasps* [03:54] Yay~ [03:55] How does it handle multiple calanders? (I use two gmail accounts almost exlcusivly with the calendar [03:55] I have like 4 different google calendars synced [03:55] it's fine [03:56] And it's an all in one app, which I like better than the Mail/iCal/Address Book trio that apple uses [03:57] yeah [03:57] on my netbook, the google calendar page is a PAIN unless I put firefox into full screen [03:58] How big is the scren on your netbook? [04:00] 10.1" [04:04] I've thought about getting a netbook for an even more portable machine than the 13.3" MacBook Pro, but I fear that I will run into the same issue that I did with the 11.6" MacBook Air... The screen was too short and it hurt my neck to use it for an extended period of time [04:05] I like mine a lot [04:05] I was using a 15" for a while (not especially wide screen, was kind of tallish), and I didn't like that there was only a VERY specific spot that looked "right" instead of the crappy "wrong angle lcd" appearance [04:06] canthus13: check it now [04:08] Wow... I've only really been back in teh commmunity for a few days and I'm already helping people in teh Ubuntu fourms... XD [04:08] heh, go you! [04:09] Much better. :) [04:09] I like the new version better aws well [04:09] I can't type worth a damn, but hey [04:10] thanks :) [04:10] I had just uploaded the equivalent of my initial flyer. I'd since redone it, so I updated to match that (and take off the website) [04:12] do you just delete messages from the inbox in evloution to archive them? (I can't rememmber. It's been a while...) [04:14] I don't use evolution for email [04:15] I find it easier to do it all in one place [04:15] * canthus13 does all of his emailing in one place: gmail. :) [04:15] same here [04:15] Much easier than dealing with a mail client. :/ [04:15] unless you have 3 accounts that you bounce between on a regular basis... [04:17] * Cheri703 sets gmail to check the others, also to send as others [04:18] How does that work from a mobile device? I send and recive off of all three from my BlackBerry [04:18] * Unit193 uses Alpine half the time, gmail half the time and Thunderbird the rest of the time :D [04:19] I could use the main mail thing, or gmail...either one... [04:19] jgould: I just use the gmail mobile client for my phone. (not blackberry, but gmail seems to have a client for everything...) [04:20] If I do that, then there is no reason to have the blackberry... :P (Although it about got tossed into traffic the other day on Hilliard Rome Road because it was pissing me off...) [04:21] * Cheri703 hearts android [04:21] I'm leaning toward andriod. My love for Apple is slowly waning [04:21] * canthus13 is still looking to get a Pre/Pre plus.. WebOS <3 [04:22] * canthus13 lost his love for Apple around 1991. [04:23] The build quality on my Macbook is great, If I would have knowm that I was goign to have problems, I would have kept my C2D MBP and not gotten this Core i5... [04:24] Now I'm thinking ahead to when this one goes and depending on how much I'm using Ubuntu as a primary OS, looking at System76 for the next one [04:25] A little over $200 cheaper for pretty much the same comptuer. (This one has an i5, the Lemur has an i3) [04:26] System76 builds some really sweet hardware. [04:26] Don't System76 run a little high in price? [04:26] No. Mac runs a little(lot) high in price. :) [04:26] Doesn't look like it [04:27] They're not cheap (Acer/HP/Gateway). They're priced more like a good HP business laptop or a higher-end Dell. [04:27] From what I've seen, they're worth it. And I like the guys that I've met that work there. :) [04:27] Cheri703: How's the netbook holding up so far? [04:27] This is one of those indrusties that is a "You get what you pay for" thing [04:27] to a degree. I don't see Mac being worth the stupid price. [04:28] they replaced the case, but...the customer service is SEVERELY LACKING...don't go zareason [04:28] :/ [04:28] the computer itself is fine [04:28] the crappy email I got from the ceo of the company is NOT [04:28] * canthus13 won't be recommending zareason for a while... [04:29] yeah...I'm glad they fixed it, but...even then, crappy customer service [04:29] I will say that every time I've had a hardware problem (with the exception of the dog giving the MacBook I bought in early 2009 a drink of cofffee) Apple has fixed issues without much fuss. [04:29] I had an intermitent screen flicker and they repalced the inverter board just on my word. (which did fix it by the way) [04:31] jgould: I've heard nightmare stories about apple service.. of course I've heard the same about Dell, and my dad hasn't had a single issue with them (aside from one know-it-all that tried to blame the hard drive when the machine wouldn't post, but he caved when I got on the line and told him I was Dell certified (I'm not, but A+)) [04:31] * canthus13 personally will never buy HP again for the customer service. [04:31] * canthus13 has had 3 dell laptops so far, and the only one to die was one that got stepped on and then dropped off a table. [04:32] And that one was 8 years old. :D [04:35] Dell's customer service is funny... My wife has an insprion 600m that the dog threw up in. (He had drank a lot of water and it was too much) I dumped the machine, opened it up, determined the only thing I needed was a keyboard, called and told the guy to send me the keyboard, and he was like "You need to send it in." I sighed and said, It's just the keyboard, send me the damn thing or go get yoru [04:35] supervisor." needless to say, I got the keyboard. by that point I had replaced 4 or 5 keyboards... She strikes hard.... [04:42] jgould: My dad also buys XPS systems exclusively, which have different service contracts than the cheaper systems, so that probably makes a difference. [04:46] probably. I love the way to install software in Ubuntu [04:47] Repos make it soooo easy. :) [04:49] Yes. I wonder how hard it would be to create a list of software that you've installed on one machineso you can install it on the other... [04:49] SUPER EASY [04:50] in synaptic, you can save markings [04:52] Taht would install stuff that I need on one machine, but not the other (eg. ndiswrapper) [04:53] There's a way to export the installed package list and import it on another machine... Use it for reinstalls, usually. I just don't remember what the command is. [04:54] jgould: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261366 [04:54] you can save it and then restore it on another machine [04:54] Just edit the list and remove the stuff you don't want. [04:55] Lets see you do that on an OS that isn't a Ubuntu/Debian deritive! [04:58] redhat-style systems can do it as well. [04:58] but forget windows. :) [04:58] OSX could be set up for it fairly easily. [04:59] Why can't gmail imap to itself... [04:59] canthus13: I think that's part of the reason for the App Store. Linux has been doing it for years though... [04:59] Yeah, but you don't pay for ubuntu repos. :) [05:00] Actually, nm. that's not true.. there *are* a few items for sale in there. [05:02] I know. One of the peices of software I have under OS X is going to be payware for the linux version. I will probably buy it [05:03] don't say that too loud.. the freetards will yell at you. :( [05:03] It's some very specialized writing software that fits the way I write [05:04] but I can't seem to type tonight [05:05] * canthus13 has no issue with pay software. If he could afford it, and they ported it to Linux, he'd probably buy Photoshop. [05:07] Free software = software you don't pay for!! [05:07] yeah...? [05:07] There's a lot of software that I use that I can't afford [05:07] I understand making money, but some of the prices they charge are outragious [05:08] canthus13: Freetards think Free software = OpenSource [05:08] jgould: Generally, the more specialized the software is, the more expensive it is, because the market is smaller and dev costs have to be recouped. [05:08] teamviewer has INSANE prices [05:09] * canthus13 never checked into their prices. [05:09] it's crazy [05:09] gotoassist is actually reasonable iirc. [05:09] * canthus13 wonders how feasible skype's screensharing is for support... [05:09] is it cross platform? and VERY easy on the other side? [05:09] horrible [05:12] that was a disaster [05:13] dmcglone27: Then don't do it again! [05:13] Thought I was never gonna get this netbook running again [05:13] Unity? [05:13] What did yo do to it [05:13] I tried installing gnome, then upgrading to gnome 3 and poof it all went south [05:14] I'm back to 10.10 [05:14] I'm sticking with 10.10 and Gnome 3 [05:18] Gah... nidswrapper just took out my Macbook [05:18] again? [05:18] sye [05:18] er yep [05:19] dang [05:19] that sux [05:19] ndiswarper... [05:19] yeah, that [05:20] Now lets see if I can get it to come back up [05:21] that was weird... [05:23] Nope, My kernel bug still exists... [05:23] :( [05:24] Bummer... :( [05:24] I wonder if rolling my own kernel would help... [05:25] There is mainline on launchpad [05:25] have you tried the server kernel? [05:25] Not yet, It's going to take a reinstall to do anything now [05:38] I wonder if starting minimal and adding things in manually would help with this issue... [05:40] when you re-install, go with the server edition and see if you have the same problem [05:42] I'll need to grab the 64 bit server edition [05:46] it's worth a shot [05:47] Yep [05:47] How many others would have just given up? [05:48] yup, I agree [05:48] brb [05:55] well, this sounds like shit [05:57] Ok running gnome 3 [05:57] I'm about to call it a night [05:58] dmcglone27: Does it like nice and pretty? [05:58] It's nice, but can't say if I'll like it long term [06:01] dmcglone27: I'm going to try the see what happens [06:02] good luck [06:03] Unit193: seen gnome 3 yet? [06:03] dmcglone27: No [06:04] Have some handy SS? [06:05] hang on I'll get some [06:10] Interesting. If you hold your windows key, numbers will appear on the launcher in Unity and you can just hit the windows key and the number and be th ere [06:29] At this point I'm tempted to grab 11.10 and see what I can do with it [06:30] 11.10? [06:32] Unit193: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg8/ [06:33] http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg7/ [06:34] dmcglone27: Not bad at all! [06:35] I have it installed alongside the default gnome, so I can use either one [06:35] I might even try Gnome with that... [06:36] Unit193: The alpha (!) release of the next version. Who knows it may work better... [06:37] Unit apt-get install gnome3-session [06:37] log out and back into gnome 3 [06:38] That's default settings? [06:38] And they dumped that for Unity... [06:38] yup [06:43] I can actually say I like this way better than Unity [06:45] Hmmm.. I can't install gnome3, It needs gnome-shell wich isn't in the repo... (11.04) [06:46] that was my problem jgould so I tried installing gnome classic first then gnome 3 and everything went south [06:46] so I re-installed 10.10 and gnome 3 [06:46] 11.04 is shitty! [06:47] what about you Unit193 did you get it? [06:48] dmcglone27: Nothings going to happen right now [06:48] I may try it in VBox... [06:48] cool, I can almost guarantee you will like it [06:49] I wonder how the MacBook will respond if I roll it back to 10.04 or even 10.10 [06:49] we are gonna have to get used to this new format sooner or later, because I can see everybody doing it soon [06:49] I'm not sure jgould [06:49] Last time using Ubuntu full install was 6.10 and I'm not changing that soon... [06:50] well I'm gonna get some shut eye, I'll see y'all tomorrow [06:51] Night [06:51] Oh yeah, one more thing before I go, gnome 3 moved the damn icons back to the right side where they belong!!! :-) [06:51] dmcglone27: Have a good rest!! (Thanks for the SS) [06:51] Ok, no problem. night guys [06:52] Min, Max, Close? [06:52] dunno [06:52] Heh [06:52] Are you in columbus, Unit? [06:52] jgould: Having fun? ;) [06:52] No I'm not... [06:52] Loads of fun. More than I should be allowed ot have [06:52] * Unit193 wanted to go to the C-Bus thing [06:53] I was there. First LoCo event ever [06:53] Other then U-H, it would have been mine... [06:54] I SO wanted to go... [06:54] U-H? [06:55] Ubuntu Hour [06:55] I may go to that tomorrow. Not sure yet. I don't think the Missses will tag along, she was bored at the LoCo event on sunday.. [06:56] Come to mine? [06:56] ;) [06:56] Unit193: he's in cbus [06:56] I know... ---> ;) [06:57] Which one is yours? [06:59] any one else have a little blue triangle at the upper left of thier screen in Unity on 11.04? [07:00] I'm not sorry, I don't use Unity [07:05] hmm... [07:11] Cyanide and Happiness anyone? [07:16] Anyone else having issues with backspace not working in FF/Chrome [07:17] Be right back... [07:21] How in the hell do you pick another kernel? [07:25] Last ones here: apt-cache search kernel image [07:26] What one are you looking for? [07:26] sudo apt-get install linux-image-virtual [07:27] something other than generic to see if my issue with the i915 driver is limited to generic [07:28] Server or Liquorix? [07:28] I'm tempted to try to compile my own kernel... It's been about ten years since I've done that [07:28] I'm trying server [07:38] damn it [07:39] Still errors? [07:39] Yep [07:42] I'm going to give 10.04 a shot... [07:44] I figure I can't hurt anything [07:51] Wireless card (I don't remember) [07:54] Nope [07:54] [drm:intel_dsm_pci_probe] *ERROR* failed to get supported _DSM functions [07:54] It's a kernel bug with the i915 chipset [07:58] jgould: Did you look at this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelTeam%2FMainlineBuilds [08:01] This is making my head hurt [08:02] I can't help any... [08:08] Doing what I'm doing is how bugs get fixed... [08:13] jgould: I think someone in one of my other channels has the same device [08:15] Were you getting freezes from screen-savers? [08:19] No [08:25] My problem occurs on boot, and once it does, there is no recovering [08:25] "xorg had an update today for intel chipsets" [08:26] * Unit193 <--- REALLY can't help [08:26] This is kernel level [08:27] Yep... [10:24] *gru05:24:08 rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my │ _marix [10:25] m05:24:08 rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my │ _marix [10:25] bl05:24:08 rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my │ _marix [10:25] us [10:25] ok then05:24:08 rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my │ _marix [10:25] 05:24:08 rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my │ _marix [11:57] ..? [13:42] <-- owns a System76 Lappy, and has loved it... paid extra for 3 year warranty (which I think is just about to expire, if not already...) [17:02] * jgould finds the nearest wall [18:19] Ok, I can say I've filed my first bug... [18:38] ? [18:38] For the macbook graphics? [18:39] Yep [18:58] intresting... [18:58] jgould: managed to try gnome 3 yet? [18:59] Nope. Still fighting with the macbook [19:19] Where is the stupid home icon located in the filesystem? I looked all over /usr/share/icons and nothing [19:56] Something intresting of note... Under Ubuntu, the keyboard backlighting works. Under Xubuntu, it doesn't [20:00] apt-cache show pommed [20:00] busted install. Irrelevent... [20:00] I know - pommed also monitors the ambient light sensors to automatically light up the keyboard backlight on machines that support it. [20:01] 10.04 is out. There isn't even support for the wired network card... [20:02] I *will* get this working or die trying... [20:03] Did you try anything other then Ubuntu? What works, works (And maybe you can steal the kernel too ) [20:04] No I haven't. Maybe I should... [20:04] I wonder what kernel debian 6 is using for a default [20:05] jgould: 2.6.32-5-xen-686 is what I have on one of my Debian 6 boxes [20:07] We'll give it a shot. Can't be any worse than what I'm working with now... [20:08] I also wonder why I am unable to boot from a usb Drive on this macBook [20:13] I need to learn more about weechat... [20:14] There are quickstart guides online [20:17] yep. Been too busy dealing with the macbook and trying to get it to work [20:18] Note to self: Don't try to get cousin to dual-boot [20:19] Why? [20:19] He has a Mac [20:19] which mac [20:20] my issue is specific to this model (MacBook Pro 8,x) [20:21] I have no idea... I only know what it looks like (Not really done anything with it) [20:21] How long has he had it? [20:22] I think this year (We don't visit much, they are out of state) [20:22] Laptop or desktop? [20:23] Silver Laptop [20:23] do you know if it has a thunderbolt port? [20:24] No I don't... [20:25] Debian 6 can't see the network card.. [20:27] So much for trying debian 6 [20:27] lol @ Unit [20:27] Derath-Srvr: What? I don't know what Mac he has (I've only seen it once or twice) [20:28] Just laughing over dual'ing it... lol [20:28] With the random issues I've had with this MacBook, I regret taking the c2d MBP back... [20:41] Hmmm. It looks like this thing did get networking after all [20:42] Derath-Srvr: If I can get this working, I'm going to be dualing my MBP [21:18] Welcome back Cheri703 [21:19] thanks, was out running a bunch of errands [21:19] Welcome back. [21:20] * jgould bashes his head into a wall [21:21] jgould is still having issues with his Mac (And about 70% would have said goodbye to Ubuntu) [21:22] ha jgould last thing I saw before signing off was: * jgould finds the nearest wall [21:22] Cheri703: Sully should be there by friday. [21:22] Heh [21:23] good to know canthus13 :) [21:25] Ok. Unity was ok for a little bit, but now it's just annoying [21:27] jgould: try gnome 3 it's good [21:27] really good [21:27] Linux Journal has something about Unity [21:27] Unit193: is it good? [21:28] jgould: It's a video... [21:32] dmcglone1: I have to get a working system before I worry about gnome 3 [21:33] I keep forgetting you can't get anything working :-/ [21:39] dmcglone1: If it was on Ubunbtu, I would try it in a VM [21:39] it's in the repos [21:40] I know. They should make a Gubuntu [21:41] up package manager to install gnome3-session [21:41] use that is [21:42] -shell isn't in 11 repos, right? [21:42] no [21:42] I installed 10.10 and it was there [21:44] Has anyone seen my brain? [21:45] Was that what I was tossing around?? [21:45] Heh [21:46] no wonder it's fucked up [21:47] Heh [21:48] Well, My bug report just got confirmed. What does that mean? [21:48] Link? [21:49] it means it was confirmed to exsist [21:49] means they know it's a real bug... [21:51] Good. Maybe I'll get a fix and then I can fix the hole in the wall... [21:51] don't hold your breath [21:56] Why do you say that [21:57] Aside from taking a while to reproduce and fix? [21:57] sometimes it takes a long time to fix bugs [21:57] Well, time to go home... [21:57] laters [21:59] later [22:27] hi [22:28] Hello dmcglone1, dmcglone [22:28] I thought one would be weechat... [22:29] this is his douter i did not mean to say that sorry [22:29] Well, hello there! [22:30] i cant talk sorry so sorry [22:30] bot i am amy [22:30] NP :x <-- me [22:30] wa [23:53] Ha I see my daughter Amy stopped in [23:54] She was on my desktop in the other room while I was cooking dinner [23:55] Unit193: Actually dmcglone1 is my netbook and dmcglone is my desktop :-) [23:56] School? [23:56] I'm not following [23:57] if you mean the kids, they are out for the day, they get out at 3:00 [23:57] Did she have homework to go? [23:57] Ah no, this week is OAA testing so no homework [23:58] I'm happy there's no homework, because I have to help them most of the time. It's like I'm going through school all over again :-/