[05:55] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:55]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[05:56] <Kilos> cold here right now 10c. maybe gonna be a long winter
[05:57] <Kilos> where be global warming
[05:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:59] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:59] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[06:14] <Kilos> lo MPD 
[06:15] <Kilos> bbl
[06:29] <nuvolari> more oom Kilos 
[06:29] <Kilos> lo nuvolari  wen jy darem?
[06:29] <nuvolari> ek doen dankie oom
[06:29] <nuvolari> is by die werk en aan die gang
[06:30] <superfly> môre oom Kilos, and nuvolari
[06:30] <Kilos> mooi
[06:30] <Kilos> lo vliegie
[06:31] <Kilos> ek lag vir julle praatjies in die pos box
[06:31] <superfly> eish, go to bed at 1am, get up at 7am... thanks kiddo
[06:32] <Kilos> wow thats not nuf sleep
[06:32] <superfly> Kilos: that's what you get when you have a toddler
[06:32] <Kilos> the joys of parenthood
[06:32] <superfly> Kilos: oom should remember ;-)
[06:32] <Kilos> yeah
[06:32] <Kilos> but they actually good memories to forget
[06:33] <Kilos> :-P
[06:36] <Kilos> our time with ian started only when he was 2 months old if i member right
[06:36] <Kilos> he was born 2 months 3 weeks prem
[06:36] <superfly> wow
[06:37] <Kilos> yeah. he incubated for 2 months
[06:37] <superfly> that's very premie
[06:37] <Kilos> very
[06:37] <superfly> incubation is stupid
[06:37] <Kilos> had a 24/7 nurse watching him
[06:37] <superfly> if you use kangaroo care the babies actually develop better
[06:38] <superfly> all our high tech medicine is no match for mother nature
[06:38] <Kilos> his lungs hadnt developed yet even so one squeal and stopped breathing
[06:38] <Kilos> needed to be whacked onna but to get going again
[06:38] <Kilos> kangaroo care
[06:39] <Kilos> ?
[06:39] <Kilos> oh inna pouch
[06:39] <superfly> Kilos: well, they strap the baby to the mother's bare chest
[06:40] <Kilos> we had no choice superfly . he was too early
[06:40] <Kilos> even when he came home one of us had to stay with him at all times because he stopped breathing if he cried
[06:40] <superfly> a friend of my dad's did a study on Kangaroo Care in Zimbabwe about 15 years ago, the premie babies in Kangaroo care developed much faster and better than those in incubation
[06:40] <superfly> Kilos: no, even more reason to have used Kangaroo care
[06:41] <Kilos> methinks docs didnt even know about that back then
[06:42] <superfly> Kilos: that was how people dealt with premies before "modern" medicine
[06:42] <Kilos> when he was born doc told me dont even think of having a child his chances are minimal
[06:42] <nuvolari> *expensive modern medicine
[06:42] <superfly> nuvolari: yeah, that too
[06:42] <Kilos> lol
[06:43] <Kilos> he hadnt developed yet so they felt he had to be inna sterile incubator at all times
[06:43] <superfly> we just decided that our "modern" techniques were much better than the ancient ones, and now we have a higher infant mortality rate, more kids suffering from depression, and more teenage suicides than ever before
[06:43] <Kilos> was the hardest time in my life
[06:43] <superfly> Kilos: yes, of course they would, doctors are brainwashed into believing that modern medicine is *always* the best thing
[06:44] <Kilos> most of that is because of the modern way of living and drugs in todays world
[06:44] <Kilos> but we won anyway. got our miracle baby big
[06:45] <Kilos> now hes a bit bigger than me but still fulla
[06:46] <Kilos> hehe
[06:57] <inetpro> good morning
[06:59] <Kilos> mornin inetpro 
[07:00] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:05] <inetpro> my dad was born early and at home, was so small that they put him in a shoebox. He survived only to become a man with a big stature almost as big as corrie206. 
[07:10] <Kilos> and tyou so small
[07:11] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <inetpro> Kilos: yeah right, my mom was small
[07:11] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <Kilos> blame it on poor mom
[07:11] <inetpro> Kilos: heh, I'm much longer than she ever was
[07:12] <inetpro> :-)
[07:12] <Kilos> inetpro, you didnt eat your veggies
[07:12] <inetpro> hmm
[07:12] <inetpro> maybe
[07:32] <Kilos> hey guys. cam you still make lotsa desktops with natty
[07:33] <Kilos> i like lotsa desktops. hate minimising
[07:51] <sakhi> morning
[07:54] <nuvolari> Kilos: not sure about unity, but G3 auto-creates new desktops as needd
[07:54] <nuvolari> *needed
[07:54] <Kilos> ah ty
[07:54] <Squirm> hello nuvolari 
[08:14] <nuvolari> lo Squirm 
[08:15] <nuvolari> sup?
[08:16] <Squirm> not a lot
[08:16] <Squirm> going to work soonish
[08:29] <nuvolari> cool!
[08:29] <nuvolari> what are you going to do?
[08:30] <nuvolari> Squirm: ^^
[08:33] <nuvolari> the torture begins
[08:33] <nuvolari> lunch is smelling good already
[09:02] <superfly> Kilos: I believe Unity has workspaces (same thing as virtual desktops)
[09:03] <Kilos> ah ty superfly . and kde?
[09:04] <superfly> yup, KDE has had virtual desktops for aeons
[09:04] <Kilos> cant remember what i saw on the pro's lappy
[09:04] <superfly> Kilos: KDE
[09:04] <Kilos> great. so looks like kde pushing to the forefront for me
[09:05] <superfly> Kilos: I'm going to get those CDs burned and posted by the weekend
[09:05] <superfly> Kilos: *shrug* depends on how much you like/dislike Unity
[09:05] <Kilos> ty very much superfly . just hope the nm works for me
[09:06] <Kilos> was not being able to get connected that stopped me and Kde with 9.10
[09:06] <superfly> NM has come a long way since then
[09:07] <superfly> It was pretty pathetic before 9.10
[09:07] <Kilos> that was all that blocked me. i just couldnt get connected
[09:07] <Kilos> the gnome one was so simple
[09:09] <superfly> Kilos: KDE is different to Gnome - it has a different way of thinking about things
[09:09] <superfly> it prefers to give you more options, rather than less, for instance
[09:09] <Kilos> lol. yeah. but the nm was shocking
[09:10] <Kilos> saw lotsa peeps asking for help once i got going here
[09:10] <Kilos> if the new nm is as easy as gnomes then kde looks good
[09:11] <Kilos> also then i might get to try quassel
[09:12] <superfly> Kilos: I find it pretty easy, but I also don't know what Gnome's NM looks like, so I can't compare the two
[09:12] <Kilos> its just a little tower in the top panel
[09:13] <Kilos> you click and it says new broadband connection and you tick your way through the choice of country and service provider
[09:13] <Kilos> very simple
[09:14] <Kilos> dont forget. simple to you is not simple to a doctor or lawyer or mechanic etc
[09:14] <superfly> i know
[09:15] <Kilos> lol. like the many commands that are given without sudo before. was difficult in the beginning
[09:16] <Kilos> now sudo is one of my favourite words
[09:16] <Kilos> like when i  first went to #ubuntu  The help they tried to give me just made things wors
[09:16] <Kilos> worse
[09:17] <Kilos> also this time i will have 2 pcs going so i can get help on one to fix the other
[09:18] <Kilos> was very difficult without contact in the beginning
[09:25] <Kilos> in todays modern world your nm should be the most important working application
[09:31] <Kilos> or at least the easiest to manage for your basic pc user
[09:33] <Kilos> IMO
[09:40] <Kilos> bbl gonna fight vodacom about their poor data connection,.
[09:40] <Kilos> the refuse to give a complaints email address
[09:40] <Kilos> grrrr
[11:07] <rodemire> Good day all.
[11:08] <rodemire> Multiple displays on Unity, how can i get the Unity launcher on both displays?
[11:15] <rodemire> I think i got kicked out somehow. 
[11:15] <rodemire> Multiple monitors in Unity: How can i get the launcher to appear on both monitors?
[11:26] <Kilos> hiya rodemire looks like everyone is very busy
[11:26] <rodemire> Yep, it appears so.
[11:27] <Kilos> have you tried googlin
[11:27] <rodemire> yep, am actively doing so now.
[11:27] <rodemire> there's stubs all over the place but no real solution.
[11:27] <Kilos> i use maaz for googlin then i dont get 500 choices
[11:28] <rodemire> please explain, not familiar with Maaz
[11:28] <queery> you arent
[11:28] <Kilos> Maaz, google multiple monitors with ubuntu 11.04
[11:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "[ubuntu] How to enable dual monitor for Ubuntu 11.04 + ATI Radeon ..." http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748037 :: "Ubuntu 11.04 gnome issues with dual monitor and panel applets" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/ubuntu-11-04-gnome-issues-with-dual-monitor-and-panel-applets-877887/ :: "Ubuntu 11.04 Nappy: More Dual Monitor Problems. - comp.os.linux ..." http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/br
[11:28] <queery> s/he is awesome
[11:28] <Kilos> he is our resident bot
[11:28] <queery> makes coffee too
[11:29] <Kilos> lol
[11:29] <Kilos> lo queery 
[11:29] <queery> hi oom Kilos 
[11:29] <Kilos> rodemire, try the top link
[11:30] <rodemire> Ok,
[11:30] <Kilos> for starters anyway
[11:30] <queery> ok lunch time
[11:30] <Kilos> enjoy
[11:30] <queery> k
[11:30] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[11:30] <Maaz> Hmm Kilos . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well
[11:31] <Kilos> hmmm same food everyday
[11:31] <Kilos> bot likes chicken
[11:31] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[11:31] <queery> hehe
[11:31] <queery> ok I gata go
[11:31] <queery> l8er
[11:31] <Kilos> chow now
[11:33] <rodemire> Kilos: Thanks for the links but unfortunately they do not really relate to the situation i am facing.
[11:34] <Kilos> aw sorry
[11:34] <rodemire> Kilos: I have an Nvidia card and the nvidia-settings is working correctly.
[11:34] <Kilos> try asking the question differently
[11:35] <Kilos> im no good at getting the right links normally
[11:35] <rodemire> Kilos: The problem is. my second display is a TV which i watch movies on, and i want to be able to access my files there. If i start the Unity Launcher (using the Windows key), the Dash appears on the other monitor, thus rendering my TV useless as i cannot start anything there.
[11:36] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to set up dual monitors with ubuntu 11.04 unity
[11:36] <Maaz> Kilos: "[ubuntu] Unity and dual monitors - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1742186 :: "Bug #661450 in unity (Ubuntu): “Support for multiple monitors broken”" https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/661450 :: "YouTube - Ubuntu 10.10 (Unity interface con dual-monitor)" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCKiimNWEtg :: "Howto Setup Dual Monitors with NVidia in Ubuntu | a community for ..." http://www.ubuntux.org/howto-setup-dua
[11:36] <Kilos> maybe there rodemire 
[11:38] <Kilos> good luck
[11:38] <Kilos> or lotsa patience
[11:42] <rodemire> Lol. Thanks there's a guy who says he got it done, thanks a lot.
[11:44] <Kilos> welcome
[11:55] <rodemire> Kilos: I've decided to just have Twinview, and drag the window to the other monitor
[11:56] <rodemire> Will continue googling so long...
[12:12] <inetpro> hmm... and why did he leave?
[12:13]  * inetpro just had a nice cup of Cup a Soup for lunch
[12:13] <Kilos> lol
[12:13] <Kilos> lekker
[12:19]  * inetpro stepping out for a restart of quassel
[12:20]  * inetpro is back
[12:20] <Kilos> wb
[12:20] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks
[12:21] <queery> I thingk I brole the USB prort on my external
[12:22] <queery> I don't think it is covereed under the warentee for more than a year
[12:22] <queery> and its over a year
[15:23] <Kilos> peer giving maiatoday  a hard time today
[15:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:27]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[15:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:31] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:31] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[15:49] <Kilos> lo marcog|masters 
[15:49] <marcog|masters> hey Kilos 
[15:49] <Kilos> wassup the big nick
[15:49] <marcog|masters> tumbleweed shutdown our server for a bit
[15:49] <marcog|masters> so running irssi from a different pc
[15:49] <marcog|masters> temporarily
[15:49] <Kilos> lucky  tab works
[15:49] <Kilos> ah
[15:50] <tumbleweed> it wasn't me. If it was me, I'd have told you why :)
[15:50] <marcog|masters> yeah yeah
[15:50] <marcog|masters> sure
[15:50] <marcog|masters> :P
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:35]  * nlsthzn waves
[17:35] <Kerbero> o/
[17:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:58] <nuvolari> naandsê
[18:00] <Kilos> naand nuvolari 
[18:03] <nlsthzn> alo almal
[18:04] <nuvolari> naand nlsthzn-work 
[18:34] <Kilos> lo neelsie
[18:36] <nuvolari> oe, ek't vanaand van die lekker kerrie en rys geëet wat my ma gemaak het
[18:38] <nlsthzn-work> lkka
[18:38] <nlsthzn-work> lekka
[19:13] <Kilos> nuvolari, julle vrystaters weet nie hoe om kerrie te maak nie
[19:14] <Kilos> sweet jy darem as jy klaar geeet het
[19:14] <Kilos> jy moet oefen daar in durban
[19:14] <Kilos> eet n bunny chow elke dag
[19:17] <nuvolari> Kilos: oom, ek luv die kerrie hierso, my ma se kerrie brand *niks*
[19:18] <Kilos> ek het jare geleef op bunnies
[19:18] <Kilos> maar daai tyd was hulle n drie kwart brood
[19:18] <nuvolari> Ek hou van warm goed oor die algemeen
[19:19] <nuvolari> ek het vir my chilli sous aangeskaf wat baie lekker is
[20:20] <Kilos> mooi man
[20:24] <inetpro> good evening
[20:44] <nuvolari> naand naand
[21:03] <Morganvd> evening all
[21:03] <Morganvd> and hows everyone doing with natty and unity?
[21:05] <Morganvd> Maaz: coffee on 
[21:05]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[21:07] <nlsthzn-work> Morganvd: I like unity and natty... but at the moment using Kubuntu 11.04
[21:08] <Morganvd> i have chosen to put my pre-thoughts in my pocket and try it out for a week or two
[21:09] <Morganvd> most of the people say its because your not used to it thats why some people dont like it
[21:09] <Morganvd> but i can say this its fast
[21:09] <Morganvd> i just need to get rid of the menus disapearing 
[21:09] <Morganvd> then im happy
[21:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Morganvd!
[21:10] <Morganvd> Maaz: thanks
[21:10] <Maaz> Morganvd: No problem
[21:15] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[22:07] <nuvolari> ok, night everyone