[00:03] <ckontros> Why don't we own this branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntustudio-default-settings/oneiric
[00:04] <holstein> ckontros: you want to try and catch someone in -devel?
[00:04] <holstein> or is that something TheMuso would know?
[00:05] <ckontros> Luke might. I left a msg for james-w in #bzr but he's in the UK IIRC and Ill have to have ScottL follow up. *Any* branch we have should be owned by the -dev team.
[00:09] <TheMuso> Ubuntu branches are branches that are part of the archive proper. TO get access to them you need to have ubuntu-dev privileges.
[00:09] <TheMuso> So you can upload to the archive.
[00:10] <ckontros> TheMuso: When the hell did this happen? And shouldnt our -dev team have access to our own branches?
[00:10] <ckontros> (and HI btw) :)
[00:12] <ckontros> TheMuso: I mean, really. We've already been through so much shit just friggin' getting them in there. We had you (someone trusted) to make the upload. Why the change?
[00:14] <TheMuso> ckontros: This is ongoing work towards Ubuntu Distributed Development.
[00:14] <ckontros> TheMuso: So WTF do we do?
[00:14] <TheMuso> Eventually, anybody who is in ubuntustudio-dev will be able to touch those branches and upload packages.
[00:14] <TheMuso> Atm we use separate branches, and not worry about those ubuntu-branches.
[00:15] <ckontros> Ug. So this is something that will go away in some time? Couple of months?
[00:15] <TheMuso> have a look here for starters. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment
[00:15] <TheMuso> I don't know what the timeline is.
[00:17] <ckontros> TheMuso: Ok. I mean, I just dont know how we'll get our disks built then. Will james-W be pulling out changes? I just know how we're supposed to work.
[00:17]  * ckontros reads.
[00:17] <TheMuso> We can work the way we have always done for quite a while yet, so wI wouldn't be fretting over it just yet.
[00:19] <ckontros> Well we actually cant, because james-w now owns our main branch. We made release-specific ones for the packages. Our main one was always for tinkering. He's made /that/ one tied to oneric.
[00:20] <TheMuso> Which branch?
[00:20] <ckontros> Look here: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings
[00:21] <ScottL> ckontros, try this one: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[00:21] <ScottL> from: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[00:21] <ScottL> ckontros, you are grabbing the mirrored code that would then be owned by ubuntu i think
[00:21] <ScottL> oh, i see luke is already answering :)
[00:22] <ckontros> "lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-default-settings" was always our main. Where "lp:ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntustudio-default-settings" would be for release.
[00:23] <TheMuso> Right, so just use the branch ScottL pointed to.
[00:23] <ckontros> ScottL: Something is odd though. Try to pull fresh and you'll see.
[00:23]  * ckontros tries
[00:26] <ckontros> Why isnt our development branch listed here: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings ?
[00:28] <ckontros> /Should/ be: lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-default-settings By now, we dont own it.
[00:28] <ckontros> s/By/But
[00:29] <ckontros> WTF? Really, there's things going on here. Changes the team haven't kept up with.
[00:30] <holstein> when you say team?
[00:30] <ckontros> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-studio-devel says: "UbuntuStudio Developers does not use Launchpad."
[00:30] <holstein> who are you reffering to?
[00:30] <holstein> like you and me and ScottL ?
[00:30] <holstein> ailo__
[00:30] <holstein> ?
[00:30] <ckontros> The -dev team.
[00:30] <holstein> oh, the 'group'
[00:30] <holstein> the LP group
[00:30] <holstein> gotcha
[00:31] <ckontros> Look @ that page. Askes me to claim the group? I *know* that page used to look different.
[00:32] <ckontros> Grr... There's something just weird going on. Changes. Making me nuts. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[00:33] <holstein> maybe theres just a mistake
[00:33] <holstein> an extra one
[00:33] <holstein> or a new one cropped up after an error
[00:33] <ScottL> ckontros, i'm pulling from: bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[00:33] <holstein> and hasnt gone away yet
[00:34] <ScottL> ckontros, it seems to be working correctly at the moment
[00:34] <ckontros> Here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings it says: "Maintainer: UbuntuStudio Developers" with a clickable link that leads to: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-studio-devel Where it should be : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[00:35] <ckontros> ScottL: Got time for Skype?
[00:38] <ScottL> ckontros, i can in about 30 mins
[00:38] <ScottL> i've been getting code for -settings from: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio
[00:39] <ckontros> ScottL: What bothers me is that none of this is obvious. lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-default-settings should be ours. ALL our branches are set up this way. lp:ubuntu/ubuntustudio-PACKAGE. Im now worried all of our main branches are now like this. Where if you/I got to the page for any packages it actually doesnt show our main brainch.
[00:42] <ScottL> ckontros, i think it's been this way for a release or two....i've just been using everything under ~ubuntustudio-dev
[00:42] <ScottL> but i can follow up with james-w
[00:43] <ckontros> ScottL: "bzr branch lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio" Drops a "UbuntuStudio" folder in ~/ What happens when I pull another package? It should be a "ubuntustudio-default-settings" folder.
[00:43] <ckontros> Or "ubuntustudio-wallpaper" folder.
[00:46] <ckontros> ScottL: Please gimmie a pastebin (or whatever) with the correct branch cmds. (and push cmds if you will)
[00:50] <ScottL> ckontros, no, you're right...it makes a UbuntuStudio folder and it didn't used to do that :(
[00:50] <ckontros> Grr... I still can't push. Something's odd.
[00:51] <ckontros> ScottL: Please pull clean, make a minor change, and try to push.
[00:51] <ckontros> You've done this more recently than I.
[00:51] <ckontros> Like pull it and do a "bzr upgrade" or something.
[00:53] <ScottL> sorry, been distracted, i've been trying to keep kids from being heathens and get them dinner as well :/
[00:55] <ScottL> made the changes, pushing in just a sec
[00:58] <ScottL> aw crap, it's not working for me either
[00:58] <ckontros> I knew Im not nuts
[00:58] <ScottL> is this something to do with it being so early in the development cycle
[00:58] <ScottL> ?
[00:59] <ckontros> Might be. Xubuntu's settings pkg is the same. Look @ the owner: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/xubuntu-default-settings/oneiric
[01:01] <ScottL> hmmm, maybe we (i) need to folow up with james-w then
[01:05] <ckontros> Some sorta freeze has gotta be on. All of our branches to this pkg are that way.
[01:09] <ckontros> ScottL: Follow up with James and offer my apologizes if things just arent open yet. I didn't get mean, just obviously frustrated. :) And shouldn't Luke know we're frozen? :)
[01:11] <ckontros> ScottL: We also have to clean out our PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ppa
[01:13] <ckontros> Hmm.. I think I can.
[01:14] <ckontros> ScottL: Just hit me up when you're ready. If we cant actually upload code yet maybe we can take care of other stuff.
[01:14] <holstein> ckontros: did you say you were going to make a live CD?
[01:15] <holstein> with some studio stuff and xfce?
[01:15] <holstein> or you wanted someone to make that*
[01:16] <ckontros> holstein: It's a secondary goal. 1st, we gotta get things switched to XFCE and normal Alt disks building. Then, we'll need to talk to the Edubuntu folks who have made strides in task selection with their disks.
[01:16] <ckontros> *live disks.
[01:17] <holstein> ckontros: i was talking about more for demo purposes
[01:17] <ScottL> ckontros, i will ping you as soon as my wife is home
[01:17] <ckontros> Then we'll see how to apply it to us and wether Canonical will even do it.
[01:17] <ckontros> If they dont, then we'll go from there.
[01:17] <ScottL> i think our main goal for ocelot is to switch to xfce, if we have time for live image, then good, if not that's okay
[01:17] <ckontros> +1
[01:17] <holstein> yeah
[01:18] <holstein> 12.04 wouuld be fine for the live switch
[01:18] <holstein> i was thinking more for demo purposes
[01:18] <holstein> for folks to see some of the apps in XFCE
[01:18] <holstein> there was a thread like that on the ML
[01:19] <holstein> ad i couldnt tell if you were saying you were going to make on or if you wanted someone to ckontros 
[01:19] <ScottL> holstein, mac committed to making a live image of natty
[01:19] <ckontros> holstein: There's not much on the live front to do any time soon. I *hope* to have the switch to XFCE and our custom layout/UI done the 1st month after the archive is actually open.
[01:19] <ckontros> New are will follow. For now I will just use our current stuff.
[01:20] <holstein> yeah
[01:20] <ckontros> And I guess a parallel effort (to the art. which will apply to the website) can be made with the live disk work.
[01:21] <holstein> i was just trying to come up with something I/we could do right now
[01:21] <holstein> in the meantime
[01:21] <holstein> for the next couple
[01:21] <holstein> weeks*
[01:21] <holstein> unoffically
[01:21] <holstein> un-related to actual dev
[01:21] <holstein> just so folks could have a look at XFCE
[01:21] <ckontros> holstein: Well stepping up on the wiki page for a time line (like i posted on the list) would be a start.
[01:21] <holstein> since thats something i could probably handle
[01:22] <ckontros> Just something with basic structure. Maybe copy an official ubuntu one and we'll edit to suit.
[01:22] <holstein> i was thinking we could discuss a timeline in the next meeting
[01:22] <holstein> get a list going of what our goals are
[01:22] <holstein> the UI
[01:22] <holstein> and the live thing down the road
[01:23] <ckontros> I dont think it needs too much talk. For now, if you can get a page together that would rock.
[01:23] <holstein> right
[01:23] <ckontros> We should have most of our "goals" stated from the last meeting?
[01:23] <holstein> well, i think since then, we have really solidified the UI change
[01:24] <ckontros> (didnt need the? )
[01:25] <ckontros> I'm gonna try for the no panels/AWN thing ASAP. If the overwhelming opinion is everyone hates it, I'll copy our old setup with an XFCE panel.
[01:26] <ckontros> But Ive been using *just* awn on XFCE for a week now and I gotta say it really works.
[01:26] <holstein> cool
[01:27] <holstein> ill give it a look
[01:27] <holstein> like ive said, i know how to get rid of AWN if i dont like it
[01:27] <ckontros> Only niggle I have is the cario-menu applet doesnt copy the XFCE menu totally. I talked to the AWN guys and they said they are working on it and it will happen this cycle.
[01:27] <ckontros> Im really missing Nautilus and the tabs the most. :(
[01:28] <holstein> i like nautilus
[01:30] <ckontros> I do like Thunar. I just miss a couple of features. Just little things. But its manageable.
[01:32] <ckontros> ScottL: My wife came home early from school so I gotta chill w/her. Think about a time for us to get together to hack for a bit and let me know. Maybe Friday (ill be home) or Sunday.
[01:32] <ckontros> ScottL: Also, I was gonna do it but you should. Kill these: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ppa/+delete-packages They are damn old. We dont need the cruft.
[01:36] <ScottL> ckontros, friday or sunday would be good and i'll look at the ppa later tonight
[01:41] <holstein> ScottL: this good?
[01:41] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/oneiric/timeline
[01:49] <ScottL> holstein, that sounds good
[01:50] <holstein> ScottL: theres no other oneiric specific sub directories i should honor yet right?
[01:58] <ScottL> holstein, no, but i'm thinking of adding other subdirectories under /oneiric though
[02:00] <holstein> ScottL: i think im going in /Sandbox with this
[02:01] <holstein>  /Sandbox/Timeline/Oneiric
[02:03] <holstein> if given the choice
[02:03] <holstein> id rather have a stick in the eye than mess with wikis ;)
[02:06] <ckontros> holstein: The addy matters less than the formatting of the page.
[02:06] <holstein> im just going to steal it from another page
[02:06] <holstein> the format
[02:06] <holstein> im just trying to think of the future
[02:06] <ckontros> np. Ok. Im off for the night.
[02:07] <holstein> as far as the addy
[02:07] <holstein> ckontros: GN
[02:08] <ScottL> holstein, i'd prefer your first link to be honest
[02:09] <ScottL> holstein, i'm seriously going to parse some things out from other pages and stick them under /oneiric as well, but on their own pages of course
[02:10] <holstein> OK
[02:10] <holstein> ScottL: i like that too
[02:10] <holstein>  /oneiric /then whatever
[02:10] <holstein> then we can change down the road easier if needed
[02:14] <holstein> i think i might be missing the vision of what this page is for...
[02:38] <ScottL> holstein, i would list the things that we might want to accomplish and then place a particular date for when you think it should be done by
[02:38] <ScottL> holstein, remember, be realistic but try to allow for time to test
[02:42] <holstein> ScottL: i have a plan
[02:42] <holstein> ive already kinda started it
[02:42] <holstein> im going to put it in that thread
[02:42] <holstein> i have some general dates
[02:42] <holstein> like before first alpha
[02:42] <holstein> and question marks
[02:42] <holstein> lets see if those get commented on
[02:43] <holstein> and if not
[02:43] <holstein> i'll just nail it down further as needed
[02:43] <holstein> ScottL: art lead?
[02:43] <holstein> mcmannis?
[02:43] <holstein> whats his name again?
[02:45]  * holstein found it
[02:47] <holstein> Dick MacInnis
[03:06] <holstein> well, its a start
[03:06] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[03:08] <holstein> now im fixing cammelcases :)
[04:26] <holstein> Kokito: hey
[04:26] <holstein> i stole lock on you
[04:26] <holstein> on the wiki :/
[04:26] <Kokito> hey holstein 
[04:26] <holstein> sorry
[04:26] <holstein> i had a quick change
[04:26] <Kokito> eh?
[04:26] <holstein> and i hit the button
[04:26]  * Kokito is confused
[04:26] <holstein> and then read that you were in there too
[04:26] <Kokito> ah!
[04:26] <Kokito> was just checking the page :)
[04:27] <holstein> cool
[04:27] <Kokito> will at some point observations in what relates to the new website
[04:27] <holstein> Kokito: i was hoping to catch you on that
[04:27] <holstein> get a timeline idea
[04:27] <holstein> i dont think its on you though necessarily
[04:28] <holstein> i think we have to get access on the backend still
[04:28] <Kokito> well, I think I can finalize the theme, say, in about 4 weeks
[04:28] <holstein> cool
[04:29] <Kokito> how the website itself is structure and what features are desired (wiki, forums, etc.), it's something that we would need to discuss as a team
[04:29] <holstein> Kokito: debian import freeze is june 16th
[04:30] <Kokito> out of ignorance, how does that relatre to deploying the new website?
[04:30] <holstein> Kokito: it doesnt
[04:30] <Kokito> ah, ok :)
[04:30] <holstein> im just trying to get an idea of the timeline of the release
[04:30] <holstein> but, mabye somewhere around there would be reasonable for you then?
[04:31] <holstein> finalize the theme around the 16th of june
[04:31] <Kokito> I believe so
[04:31] <ScottL> Kokito, i'm sorry, i completely forgot to get you screenshots, do you still need them?
[04:32] <holstein> Kokito: you know where the page is
[04:32] <holstein> if its too much of a push
[04:32] <holstein> we can push it back :)
[04:33] <Kokito> ScottL: I think I have what I need for now, but it would be nice to have a screenshots area in the website, so some updated shots
[04:33] <Kokito> no rush though, ScottL 
[04:33] <Kokito> holstein: not sure I understand you... what page are you referring to?
[04:34] <holstein> Kokito: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[04:35] <Kokito> holstein: I saw that page earlier today
[04:35] <holstein> Kokito: september 1st is resonalbe right?
[04:36] <holstein> for total new site deployment?
[04:36] <Kokito> yes, I think it is holstein 
[04:36] <holstein> cool
[04:36] <Kokito> you can quote me on that :)
[04:38] <ScottL> holstein, Kokito :  there's getting the website deployed and then there's getting content in it ;)
[04:39] <Kokito> true ScottL 
[04:40] <Kokito> the new site can be deployed with the basics, and then content added gradually, preferably in a collaboritve way
[04:42] <ScottL> holstein, one thing we should consider on the timeline is time to research hosting and moving the website over (if that is the choice we make)
[04:42] <ScottL> which i suppose we need to have a date to make a choice about website hosting as well
[04:43] <holstein> ScottL: yeah, im assuming not moving now
[04:43] <holstein> but, these are all flexible
[04:43] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[04:43] <Kokito> ScottL: that is one concern; from the POV of getting more hands in collaborating with content, running the website on our own server would be preferable
[04:44] <Kokito> being that it is so difficult to get admin and/or editing permissions in the current setup
[04:44] <Kokito> not criticizing Canonical, but just stating a fact :)
[04:47] <Kokito> on a different topic, anyone located in the San Francisco Bay Area?
[04:50] <ScottL> heh, i can't disagree with your comments Kokito  :)
[04:50] <ScottL> i'm in texas
[04:51] <Kokito> Texas is where I had the best steak in my life, after Argentina, of course ;)
[05:06] <Kokito> ok, going out for a while
[05:06] <Kokito> see you guys!
[05:07] <holstein> Kokito: o/
[05:44] <Kokito> re
[05:53] <Kokito_> http://twitpic.com/4sy4zx
[05:53] <Kokito_> nice wallpaper
[06:05] <Kokito_> holstein: edited the "Update website" section of the wiki page a bit. I hope you don't mind.
[06:05] <holstein> Kokito_: please :)
[06:06] <holstein> yeah, i like that
[06:08] <Kokito_> :)
[06:09] <holstein> ill get with cory about the UI section
[06:09] <holstein> and dick about the art section
[06:09] <Kokito_> cool holstein 
[06:38] <Kokito_> time for a movie
[06:38] <Kokito_> good night folks
[10:38] <falktx> btw, I just noticed, lmms-vst is no longer available
[10:38] <falktx> so the lmms package pulls wine now
[10:38] <falktx> I guess US natty will have Wine pre-installed ?
[14:51] <holstein> falktx: ubuntu comes with wine now right?
[14:51] <falktx> holstein: no
[14:52] <holstein> maybe i just install something early on that triggers it
[14:52] <holstein> lmms is just so glitchy
[14:52] <holstein> still
[14:52] <holstein> i need to spend more time with it 
[14:53] <holstein> and get active about reporting where ever im supposed to be reporting
[22:39]  * ckontros waves
[22:40] <holstein> ckontros: o/