[00:00] <apachelogger> sounds like .prn
[00:06] <valorie> even 2 hours is better than none!
[00:06] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: thanks for the vote of confidence :P
[00:07] <apachelogger> valorie: not at Quintasan's age :P
[00:07] <apachelogger> better to sneak in naps all over the day 
[00:07]  * apachelogger did that for like 6 years or so ^^
[00:07] <valorie> 20 mins max, then
[00:07] <valorie> I read a hack your brain about it, yes
[00:07] <apachelogger> aye
[00:08] <apachelogger> not like me
[00:08] <valorie> I couldn't live like that
[00:08] <valorie> at least not any more
[00:08] <apachelogger> going for a nap and waking up 6 hours later ^^
[00:08] <DarkwingDuck> How is the gang tonight/today
[00:08] <apachelogger> watching skins, so stop distrubing me y'all :P
[00:08] <valorie> lol
[00:20] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: you are attending UDS remotely too?
[00:21] <valorie> oh, do we have a streaming script yet?
[00:21] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[00:21] <DarkwingDuck> I don't know if we do.
[00:21] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'm attending remotly
[00:21] <valorie> me too
[00:22] <valorie> tomorrow I'm doing an OpenWeek session on the awesomeness of Kubuntu
[00:24]  * apachelogger has an amarok UDS script :P
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> Never attended remotly before.
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> We have to have a script to listen to the sessions?
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> Also, any ideas what they will use for collaberation this cycle?
[00:25] <apachelogger> no, there are them scripts
[00:26] <apachelogger> eh
[00:26] <apachelogger> streams
[00:26] <apachelogger> not scripts
[00:26] <apachelogger> no idea what scripts valorie had in mind
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[00:26]  * valorie discards the dirty joke
[00:26] <valorie> I thought it was an Amarok script
[00:27] <valorie> to load the streams
[00:28] <apachelogger> well
[00:28] <apachelogger> it is such a intarwebs thing stuff thing
[00:28] <apachelogger> you don't need it though, it just makes the stream urls accessible from within amarok
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> What day is the council elections?
[00:43] <valorie> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-council-oneiric
[00:43] <valorie> DarkwingDuck: it doesn't look set
[00:43] <valorie> merely called for
[00:43] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: awesomeness
[00:48] <valorie> http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/05/02/ubuntu-open-week-may-2-6-2011/
[01:37] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: election details are to be ironed out in that session
[02:17] <ScottK> valorie: It won't say on the spec when it's set.
[02:17] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: IIRC on Thursday.
[03:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: join #phonon
[03:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think my goal for UDS pre-planning is to find a session in the first session block of the day to subscribe you too.
[03:06]  * ScottK is pretty close.
[03:06] <ScottK> (for each day)
[03:07]  * ScottK consults more schedules.
[03:08] <ScottK> Friday is looking weak first period.
[03:08] <ScottK> Maybe "Enhancements to the Software Center UI and Experience"
[03:19] <apachelogger> :O
[03:19] <apachelogger> you just want me to be on time, eh? :P
[03:20] <apachelogger> not nice, not nice at all
[03:24] <ScottK> When have I claimed to be nice.
[03:32] <apachelogger> good point
[03:32] <apachelogger> might have been assumption on my part
[03:32] <claydoh> ScottK: well you arent mean, are you?
[03:32] <apachelogger> +an I suppose
[03:33] <apachelogger> how comes I am still up :O
[03:33] <ScottK> Can't be trying to prepare for the tz change.
[03:33] <claydoh> because you can?
[03:34] <ScottK> claydoh: Not particularly so, but nice doesn't describe it either.  I often refer to the Ubuntu CoC as a useful challenge.
[03:34]  * claydoh needs to become more opinionated like you guys, or rather to have my opinion and argue in it favor better
[03:34] <claydoh> ScottK: lol
[03:37] <claydoh> ScottK: being respectful, etc doesn't mean agreeing with everything
[03:38] <claydoh> the CoC is too easy  for me to follow as I am too easy
[03:38] <ScottK> Oh, totallly, but I can old and grumpy and not fight fair.
[03:38] <ScottK> "Determined"
[03:38] <claydoh> well that is called 'experience'
[03:38] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:39] <ScottK> Actually the one time I've been specifically called out on IRC for not following the CoC it was for telling someone I would do everything in my power to get them banned from the project.
[03:39] <claydoh> I spend all day being nice to people
[03:39] <ScottK> Ironically, although I was upset at the time, I was being honest.
[03:39] <ScottK> Got him banned too.
[03:39] <ScottK> First time it ever happened.
[03:39] <claydoh> well then it wasall good
[03:40] <ScottK> So I don't think it was particularly a CoC violation, no matter what it looked like.
[03:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: actually, I was like "is hungary actually in a different time zone?" ... keeping in mind that it is only like 400km to budapest, so I just went on and said to myself scru it UTC ftw :P
[03:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: What TZ is it?
[03:41] <ScottK> I didn't look.
[03:41] <apachelogger> central european summer time
[03:41] <apachelogger> same as austria
[03:41] <ScottK> What's the number?
[03:41] <ScottK> +0200?
[03:41] <apachelogger> UTC+2
[03:41] <ScottK> Thanks.
[03:41] <ScottK> 7 hours for me then.
[03:42] <apachelogger> claydoh: you need to do bug triage, CoC becomes more a challenge if you do bug triage ^^
[03:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: He helps run the Kubunt forums, I imagine he's got plenty of exposure to idiocy.
[03:43] <apachelogger> IMHO bugs are away worse than simple idiocy
[03:43] <claydoh> apachelogger: launchpad bugs make my iq drop precipitously 
[03:44] <apachelogger> like yesterday someone reported that kdm fails to purge because of rm kdm.conf ... and I go like uhm, why is the file not there ... and he goes like uhh don't be difficult now, it is perfectly simple
[03:44] <apachelogger> turns out what he considered perfectly simple was in fact a deeper problem altogether, also it was a duplicate anyway
[03:45] <claydoh> ScottK: actually not too much, tho there is a rash of near-rtfm style comments to new members coming from 1 or more old-timers
[03:45] <claydoh> I had to call it rude already
[03:45]  * apachelogger notes that he probably should have mentioned why and what input he wanted on the question, though did neglect to do so as the report seemed knowledgable enough to put one and one together
[03:46] <apachelogger> claydoh: I always go RTFM
[03:46] <apachelogger> RTFM is like aweseome, do it all the time for phonon
[03:46] <apachelogger> problem is that phonon right now has no manual as our kde apidox are broken ^^
[03:46] <claydoh> do you tell people to do so as the main response to a question?
[03:46] <apachelogger> sorta breaks the whole idea :D
[03:47] <apachelogger> claydoh: no, usually I open up with a question to establish my superiority :P
[03:47] <claydoh> kfn has  *never* been an rtfm sort of community
[03:47] <claydoh> on purpose, too
[03:47] <apachelogger> once that is done I go RTFM, after that I need to say sorry for broken apidox and explain everything by hand :D
[03:47] <apachelogger> very painful
[03:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: makes perfect sense
[03:48] <ScottK> claydoh: Sounds like you need to slap these people around a bit.  If they can't be helpful, they should take a break from the forums.
[03:48] <apachelogger> RTFM is like flipping pointless considering khelpcenter is utter crap
[03:48] <ScottK> This is precisely why I avoid user contact as much as possible since I don't have the patience for it.
[03:48] <claydoh> ScottK: exactly, I will have to slap someones hands maybe
[03:49] <claydoh> ScottK: lol
[03:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is because you aren't a nice person, admit it :P
[03:50] <ScottK> I sometimes approach nice, but I've not much patience and more than a bit of a temper.
[03:50] <ScottK> claydoh: Not kidding.
[03:51]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK and pours another glass of wine as time is approaching no-point-in-going-to-bed-now
[03:52] <claydoh> I have learned (and been trained a little) on being 'nice' , and it works , but that is the foodservice industry :)
[03:54] <ScottK> Although it looks like Dotan Cohan has moved to Debian, so maybe I can subscribe to the Kubuntu mail list again.
[03:54]  * apachelogger has nice moments when he is especially drunk
[03:54] <apachelogger> lol
[03:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: that just made my day
[03:54] <apachelogger> claydoh: how is that list going btw?
[03:54] <claydoh> dotan hasn't posted in kubuntu-users in a loonng time, maybe that is why it is so quiet
[03:55] <claydoh> apachelogger:  ^^
[03:55] <apachelogger> ah, quite is good
[03:55] <ScottK> He was the straw the broke the camel's back for me and kubuntu-users.
[03:55] <claydoh> quiet - surprising with a new release
[03:55] <apachelogger> less mails for me not to read ^^
[03:55] <apachelogger> claydoh: too high quality?
[03:55] <claydoh> lolz
[03:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: maybe we should have a session on how to lower quality?
[03:55] <claydoh> no, not enough actual KD users in there imo
[03:55] <apachelogger> we wouldn't want the support to get bored
[03:56] <claydoh> s/KD/KDE
[03:56] <ScottK> Thanks to Unity, we're looking pretty good to some people.
[03:56] <apachelogger> hehe
[03:56] <ScottK> So let's take advantage of it and not suck.
[03:57] <claydoh> and really even in the forum, the issues are the normal video driver problems, with a few wireless issue after upgrade
[03:57]  * apachelogger waves fist at hardware
[03:57] <claydoh> now that we have a blue grub, can we get a plymouth theme and kdm theme that match?
[03:58] <apachelogger> that sounds so much easier than it is
[04:00] <claydoh> I did that sometime in maverick
[04:00] <claydoh> but haven't bothered on this laptop as it boots fast enough
[04:01] <claydoh> to not notice
[04:06] <claydoh> I basically modified a kubuntu based plymouth theme on kde-look and recreated it using horos as the image
[04:27] <ScottK> "This particular bug is fixed.  That doesn't mean all menu related issues are resolved.  No one is going to fix anything more based on this bug.  If you are still having problems, file a new bug."
[04:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: where is that from?
[04:29] <ScottK> I just wrote that in a bug.
[04:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: nice :D
[08:39] <bambee> morning
[08:48] <Quintasan> \o
[09:00] <c2tarun> bambee: evening :)
[09:00] <bambee> hi ;)
[09:15] <bambee> when does kde-4.6.3 move into kubuntu-ppa ?
[09:16] <yofel> morning
[09:16] <bambee> (just to know when I can upload kde-l10n)
[09:16] <bambee> yofel: ok
[09:16] <yofel> once it's released (which it isn't yet)
[09:16] <bambee> it is, it's just not announced yet :)
[09:16] <yofel> kdeedu is up btw.
[09:17] <bambee> (look at the release schedule)
[09:17] <yofel> yes, but it is officially delayed
[09:18] <bambee> ohh
[09:18] <bambee> ok
[09:18] <Tm_T> bambee: nothing is released until it's announced
[09:18] <Tm_T> schedules are just plans
[09:19] <bambee> yofel: If kdeedu is not uploaded by someone else, I can bump it this evening (I've a lot of works today)
[09:19] <bambee> Tm_T: ok
[09:19] <bambee> I did not know ;)
[09:19] <yofel> sure, there was another mail indicating that there are still issues, but I don't have time to build it myself right now
[09:20] <bambee> ok
[11:23]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger back
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: PRO TIP : Sleep well during the flight
[11:23] <shadeslayer> it's going to be a crazy trip :P
[11:29] <apachelogger> he is only flying for like 3 minutes :P
[11:37] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw any ideas what to use for setting the install path for QtCreator?
[11:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ./configure --prefix=?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> it does not have a configure file
[11:41] <shadeslayer> uses .pro
[11:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: supposedly youll need to haxx0r some pro file
[11:52] <apachelogger> or pri file
[11:52] <shadeslayer> nah
[11:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  make install INSTALL_ROOT=~/foo
[11:53] <shadeslayer> idk why but they removed the linux nightlies a couple of days back
[11:53] <shadeslayer> but now they're back .... 
[11:53] <debfx> apachelogger: white testing dhmk I got this warning: Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"DEB_HOST_ARCH"} in string ne at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/lzma.pm line 8.
[11:53] <debfx> and: Use of uninitialized value $ENV{"DEB_NO_COMPRESSION"} in numeric eq (==) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/lzma.pm line 10.
[11:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that will install it somewhere, but shit might internally be built expecting stuff to be at all them proper places
[11:54] <debfx> apachelogger: could you review my fix for that: http://paste.kde.org/51985/
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ja
[11:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thats why i'm downloading the binary
[11:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i should move to Lithuania
[11:54] <apachelogger> yes
[11:54] <apachelogger> why
[11:54] <shadeslayer> i hear they have fast interwebz
[11:55] <apachelogger> debfx: why the hell does it bitch like that
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/want-super-fast-broadband-try-lithuania.ars
[11:55] <debfx> well the first one is a real error as DEB_HOST_ARCH is unset
[11:55] <apachelogger> I am down with the arch change (considering it works)
[11:56] <apachelogger> but
[11:56] <apachelogger> -} elsif ($ENV{'DEB_NO_COMPRESSION'} == 1) {
[11:56] <apachelogger> +} elsif (defined $ENV{'DEB_NO_COMPRESSION'} && ($ENV{'DEB_NO_COMPRESSION'} eq "1")) {
[11:56] <apachelogger> that is like being fck'd in the mind
[11:56] <apachelogger> how can ENV be considered undefined
[11:56] <apachelogger> I mean, like srsly
[11:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not sure you woul dlike to life in a city in LT
[11:57] <debfx> why would it be defined if the env variable doesn't exist?
[11:58] <apachelogger> debfx: it ought to be empty
[11:58] <shadeslayer> why not?
[11:58] <apachelogger> in what kent beck forsaken language is it undefined
[11:58] <apachelogger> I mean, it is like you query the envrionment, a set of variables you don't know shit about, hence the query must return useful shit
[11:59] <apachelogger> incredbily srsly
[11:59] <debfx> apachelogger: well getenv() is implemented in the same way, returns 0 if not set
[11:59] <apachelogger> debfx: just that perl is not c
[11:59] <apachelogger> well
[11:59] <apachelogger> debfx: write a wrapper func around it
[11:59] <apachelogger> that code right there makes me wanna throw up
[12:00] <debfx> well it's perl so that's not fixable
[12:00] <apachelogger> surely you can make a function that you call in the ifs
[12:01] <apachelogger> something like isEnvEqual(envName, compValue)
[12:02] <debfx> sure, but the code would still be perl, hence ugly
[12:02] <apachelogger> yeah, I am concerned with readability
[12:02] <debfx> also I don't know how to define a function in perl
[12:02] <apachelogger> hehe
[12:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: google function in perl
[12:03] <kubotu> Results for function in perl: 1. Perl functions.: http://ist.marshall.edu/ist334/perl_functions.html | 2. Picking Up Perl - Subroutines: http://www.ebb.org/PickingUpPerl/pickingUpPerl_8.html | 3. Perl functions A-Z - perldoc.perl.org: http://perldoc.perl.org/index-functions.html
[12:03] <apachelogger> debfx: if in doubt ask DarkwingDuck :)
[12:03] <apachelogger> he is a supreme perl haxx0r
[12:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw the custom message implementation we talked about yesterday? i think i'll run into a tiny problem ...
[12:05] <debfx> I've already looked way too long at perl code today
[12:05] <shadeslayer> once i paint a KAction and replace it with a KLineEdit and then close the menu, how do i paint the KAction over the KLineEdit again?
[12:06] <apachelogger> you are painting them?
[12:06] <shadeslayer> well .... KDE/Qt is painting them
[12:06]  * apachelogger notes that this is a simple state machine actionVisible <-> lineEditVisible
[12:06] <apachelogger> both cannot be there at the same time
[12:07] <shadeslayer> yes i know
[12:07] <apachelogger> so?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> but once i add the KLineEdit .... my KAction will be lost ;)
[12:07] <apachelogger> why?
[12:07] <apachelogger> kde:kactioncollection
[12:07] <apachelogger> besides, you could just hold them in a member?
[12:08] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:22] <debfx> apachelogger: it's alive: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pkg-kde-tools/ubuntu
[12:22] <debfx> could you update the pkg-kde-tools branch link?
[12:23] <debfx> so lp:pkg-kde-tools points to it
[12:31] <apachelogger> where does I do that
[12:32] <apachelogger> debfx: tranfsered supremacy to kubuntu packagers
[12:33] <apachelogger> debfx: it be done
[12:34] <apachelogger> where is our bzr dev when you need him? :D
[12:34]  * apachelogger would like something like kubuntu:foo instead of lp:~kubuntu-packagers/foo/ubuntu
[12:34] <apachelogger> in git one can do that... :P
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh yes indeed .. that would be nice
[15:13] <shadeslayer> kubuntu:foo
[17:06] <valorie> doing my session for OpenWeek right now in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:11] <shadeslayer> valorie: want me to voice myself and help?
[17:16] <valorie> sure, if you like
[17:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you notice that with the ACM membership you get MSDN stuff? Like free copies of MS Office and XP
[17:31]  * shadeslayer almost fell out of his bed when he saw that
[17:31] <kps_foo> shadeslayer: they stopped recently, earlier they used to give Windows 7 too 
[17:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: like anyone needs that
[17:32] <shadeslayer> kps_foo:https://campus.acm.org/public/qj/QuickJoin/qj_control.cfm?form_type=Student says they still provide it ( without the Win 7 download )
[17:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: :P
[17:49] <jussi> bah, wheres the echidna man when you need him...
[17:52] <ScottK> Probably working on class diagrams somewhere.
[17:53] <jussi> ScottK: do you run muon on your system at all? 
[17:53] <ScottK> No.
[17:53] <jussi> ok
[17:53] <ScottK> I mostly use apt.
[17:53] <jussi> yeah, I just got the thing to crash (or so it seems)
[17:53] <ScottK> I test with kpackagekit every now and then since it's our default.
[18:03]  * apachelogger uses wget && dpkg
[18:04] <tazz> apachelogger: what? And what about the dependencies and stuff ?
[18:04] <apachelogger> more wget
[18:05] <tazz> apachelogger: nice
[18:12] <ScottK> If apachelogger were a real haxor, he'd use dselect.
[18:13] <jussi> apachelogger: you hear that? he just called you a fake :P
[18:13]  * ScottK doubts apachelogger is even old enough to know what dselect is.
[18:16]  * apachelogger is only 19
[18:16] <apachelogger> what do you expect
[18:17]  * apachelogger can make software that makes moving .prn though :P
[18:17] <ScottK> Last year I thought you were 20.  That's not the usual path.
[18:18] <apachelogger> I was also 19 in FL
[18:18] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:19] <ScottK> I thought that was shadeslayer.
[18:20] <apachelogger> maybe him too
[18:21] <ScottK> The odd thing is you were old enough to drink and he wasn't.
[18:21] <ScottK> So surely I misremember.
[18:21] <apachelogger> he just didnt have a fake id
[18:21] <shadeslayer> nope, i had just turned 20 .... 
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yeah :P
[18:22]  * ScottK shields his innocent eyes.
[18:30] <c2tarun> apart from postfix what other MTA's are available to submit bug to debian via reportbug -B debian <package>
[18:30] <c2tarun> please tell me the MTA which is easiest to configure :(
[18:32] <shadeslayer> okay so i'll just finish off KDE PIM tonight
[19:14] <bambee> what happens in kdeedu-4.6.3 ? there is no cmake/modules, no FindKDEEDU.cmake... parley and kalgebra do not build (because FindKDEEDU.cmake is not found)
[19:14] <bambee> o_O
[19:15] <yofel> heh, was just trying to build it myself, that seems known though
[19:15] <bambee> in kdeedu/CMakeLists.txt the first line is "set(CMAKE_MODULE_PATH ${CMAKE_SOURCE_DIR}/cmake/modules )" => cmake/modules does not exist
[19:16] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:16] <yofel> great...
[19:16] <shadeslayer> they still haven't fixed edu?
[19:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: there's a new tar, still seems broken though
[19:16] <yofel> I'm just upacking it
[19:16] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:16] <yofel> that git splitup sure foobared things...
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yeah ..
[19:17] <yofel> 4.7 will be interesting, since we'll have to package split kdebindings and split kdeedu I think
[19:17] <shadeslayer> altho right now i'm having nightmares as to how we will package KDE Telepathy if they release the tarballs the way they have git repos
[19:17] <yofel> long list...
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yeah
[19:18]  * yofel wonders if dirk actually bothered to build the tar he uploaded...
[19:19] <apachelogger> the more packages the easier it gets
[19:19] <bambee> there is no kdeedu.git?
[19:19] <yofel> bambee: no, it's like 21 seperate git repositories now
[19:19] <yofel> that's why things broke in the first place
[19:20] <yofel> you can build all of that fine, just not as one bundle
[19:20] <bambee> ohh, it makes sense then
[19:23] <shadeslayer> @_@
[19:25] <debfx> i've uploaded pkg-kde-tools by the way, so you can start merging/syncing the debian packages that use dhmk ;)
[19:27] <yofel> cool :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:30]  * jussi waves in shadeslayer's direction
[19:30]  * yofel wonders when #ubuntu+1 is going to open up again
[19:30]  * shadeslayer hugs jussi
[19:30] <yofel> hi jussi
[19:30] <jussi> yofel: is there a reason you need it open? 
[19:31] <jussi> we usually do it around the first day of UDS
[19:31] <jussi> ie. a few days time
[19:31] <debfx> yofel: have you already upgraded? :D
[19:31] <yofel> ah ok, that's fine
[19:31] <shadeslayer> jussi: he just wants to show off that he's on oneric :P
[19:31] <yofel> debfx: my eeePC yes, not my thinkpad though
[19:31] <jussi> lol
[19:31] <jussi> shadeslayer: if you were coming to UDS I would give you such a huge hug.  :D
[19:32] <yofel> haha
[19:32]  * shadeslayer can't even pronounce the next release
[19:32] <shadeslayer> jussi: Internet Hugzzz
[19:32] <jussi> *HUG*
[19:32] <shadeslayer> send them over telepathy tubes
[19:33]  * yofel hasn't found oneiric in any of his dictionaries
[19:33] <yofel> where did he even get that from?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: the Mark Shuttleworth dictionary of awesome Ubuntu Code names
[19:34] <ScottK> It's the hardest one to type yet.
[19:34] <yofel> yeah, but he did say it was proper english, just from *what* little corner fo the world...
[19:34] <ScottK> At least since I've been around.
[19:34] <shadeslayer> yeah ... hardest one to pronounce too
[19:34] <ScottK> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oneiric
[19:35] <yofel> aha, thx
[19:35] <debfx> I even changed my pbuilder config to add an alias o -> oneiric
[19:36] <yofel> that's actually a good idea...
[19:36] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[19:36] <shadeslayer> debfx: nice
[19:37] <jussi> what does oneiric mean?
[19:37] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oneiric
[19:37] <yofel> jussi: see ScottKs link
[19:37] <ScottK> jussi: Click on the link.
[19:38]  * ScottK high five's yofel and shadeslayer.
[19:38] <yofel> ^^
[19:38] <jussi> dreamy. bah.
[19:38]  * shadeslayer high fives back
[19:38] <yofel> why not, he's dreaming about a functioning unity, let's let him have his fun
[19:38] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:39]  * ScottK pulls his hand back at the last moment, causing shadeslayer to overbalance and fall down due to the unbalanced weight of his huge laptop.
[19:39] <yofel> lol
[19:39] <shadeslayer> aw
[19:39]  * shadeslayer reminds himself to get a new laptop
[19:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: this one is dying ... any good suggestions?
[19:40] <ScottK> Personally I've had good luck with Dell Latitude, but stay away from their other laptop lines.
[19:40]  * yofel is happy with his thinkpad, they're expensive though
[19:40] <shadeslayer> i'd like to stay away from Dell's now
[19:40] <debfx> ScottK: why? i'm happy with my dell vostro
[19:41] <shadeslayer> because i've already experienced their bad customer rep in india :(
[19:41] <yofel> try to get something that has a sane wireless chip though (!athk !b*)
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[19:41] <ScottK> debfx: I've never had one of those, but every inspiron I've run into has been junk.
[19:41] <shadeslayer> yofel: altho broadcom is fine seeing how they have a proper driver upstream now
[19:41] <ScottK> yofel: Mine has Intel wifi.
[19:41] <yofel> wow, progress
[19:42] <ScottK> Actually my last two did.
[19:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah they opensourced the driver 
[19:42] <yofel> ScottK: mine too, and the ralink 2860 in my eeePC works reasonably too
[19:42] <shadeslayer> and supposedly it works too
[19:42] <apachelogger>  zareason ftw!
[19:42] <ScottK> My netbook, also a Dell, has broadcom.
[19:42]  * shadeslayer was thinking of a MBP
[19:42] <apachelogger> ZAREASON!!!!!!
[19:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: be careful with the HP's if you get one with 3G - the HP UN2420 dont work :(
[19:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they have unibody aluminium ?
[19:43] <jussi> However, the rest of this probook seems good
[19:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: who gives a soup
[19:43] <shadeslayer> jussi: oh hmm ... right now i'm thinking anything but a dell
[19:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: me
[19:43] <apachelogger> good hardware + supporting floss for customers = win
[19:44] <shadeslayer> oh and shipping would kill me
[19:45] <jussi> shadeslayer: I have this: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&objectID=c02279458&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN
[19:46] <jussi> better link: http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=c02268710
[19:47] <shadeslayer> jussi: Intel HD Graphics
[19:47] <shadeslayer> no go
[19:47] <shadeslayer> i need discrete graphics
[19:47] <jussi> shadeslayer: why?
[19:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: because i tend to play games when i want to relax ... stuff like COD4 and Crysis ^_^
[19:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: bah, no need for games :P
[19:48] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:50] <shadeslayer> well.. i'll have to wait for my mid term GSoC payment just to think about even buying one ^_^
[19:52] <DarkwingDuck> I do my gaming in the form of consoles
[19:52] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: the problem with consoles being, the DVD's for them cost 2x more
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> They do?
[19:53] <apachelogger> jussi: suffice to say shadeslayer wants to relax multiple times a day
[19:53] <shadeslayer> they do in india
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: not in the US.
[19:53] <jussi> oh, I like to relax multiple times per day also :P
[19:53] <apachelogger> like anyone really has exams every day of the year
[19:53] <DarkwingDuck> Only thing I'm upset about right now is that the Playstation Network is *still* down
[19:54] <apachelogger> jussi: the quick way?
[19:54] <jussi> apachelogger: be good! :P 
[19:54] <apachelogger> cause gaming aint no thing for 5 minutes
[19:54] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: http://www.flipkart.com/portal-2-ps3-game-avmcx5vh4hhetbkm vs http://www.flipkart.com/portal-2-pc-game-avmcx826ypa3q3db?ref=46a8264a-695e-4f7a-b7fb-f7ac4102562d
[19:54] <apachelogger> jussi: just wanted to suggest you to try the new pronon .prn mode :P
[19:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:55] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: I'd be more concerned about who has your credit card number than that it's down.
[19:55] <apachelogger> ScottK is no proper gamer clearly
[19:55] <ScottK> This is true.
[19:55]  * apachelogger reads vlc code
[19:56] <apachelogger> ^ that is what apacheloggers do when they want to relax
[19:56] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: I never put my credis card on there... If I wanted something from the PS Store I would go to gamestop and buy a 20 dollar playstation gift card
[19:56] <apachelogger> !!ptra == !!ptrb
[19:56] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Smart move.
[19:56] <apachelogger> ubottu: you are full of fail my friend
[19:57] <apachelogger> you just made tomahawk crash
[19:57] <apachelogger> good job ubottu
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: and even the security questions I messed up on purpose.
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> according to me password security question I was born in wankerville
[19:57] <apachelogger> you should not have said that in public
[19:57]  * apachelogger moves out to gain access
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: it's only 10USD more for the console game vs PC game
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:58] <apachelogger> +the console game usually works
[19:58] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[19:58] <apachelogger> whereas pc games these days are horrible crap ports of console games
[19:58] <apachelogger> that crash and have like shitty performance and what not
[19:58] <apachelogger> thanks to microsoft's supreme cross platformness
[19:58] <apachelogger> hooray
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:59] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: the difference in amount is quite huge in INR
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I noticed... :(
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> Besides... i'm a fan of gamefly
[20:00] <DarkwingDuck> It's the netflix for video games.
[20:00] <apachelogger> those names remind me of .prn
[20:00]  * apachelogger does some phonon debugging
[20:01] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: no such thing in india ;)
[20:01] <shadeslayer> eternally skrewed
[20:01] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: you coming back out to the US for UDS-P?
[20:01] <apachelogger> you needs to move it woudl appear
[20:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i told you, i should move to lithuania
[20:02] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: haven't decided yet :P
[20:02] <jussi> apachelogger: you be nice to her!
[20:02] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: :D I'm planning on being there.
[20:02] <shadeslayer> oh good lord ... i hope its not a broken pipe again
[20:02] <apachelogger> jussi: to phonon?
[20:03] <apachelogger> I once had a broken pipe
[20:03] <apachelogger> that sucked
[20:03] <apachelogger> no .prn wantd to play
[20:03] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: nice .... where is it anyways? was it announced?
[20:03] <apachelogger> and every second mp3 also failed
[20:03] <apachelogger> it was that day that I learned to love the vl
[20:03] <apachelogger> c
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Not yet... it'll be announced at UDS-O
[20:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cool story bro
[20:03] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[20:04]  * DarkwingDuck has to get up in the middle of the night to participate.
[20:07] <shadeslayer> hehe
[20:07] <ScottK> jussi: If you have a moment, would you please test https://launchpad.net/bugs/777966 - It neednt be on an actual server.
[20:08] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i'm just 3 hours ahead, and i have holidays, so i'll be attending most of them remotely
[20:11] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: It's starts at midnight here. So, i told the wife I will working graveyard for that week at home :D
[20:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:12] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, in between sessions I can work on my book.
[20:12] <jussi> ScottK: Ill try it at some poit soon, but Imkinda in the middle of stuff at this second
[20:12] <ScottK> jussi: Thanks.
[20:12] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: you're writing a book? kool ... on what?
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: a book on open source and Documentation. Theory, howto write and how to get people to write coving all forms of documentation we used i the open source community
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> coving/covering
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> i/in
[20:15] <shadeslayer> oooh .. 
[20:15] <DarkwingDuck> :D 
[20:16] <DarkwingDuck> I'm about 60% done with it and i have a publisher that is excited about it.
[20:16] <DarkwingDuck> AND it will be released on a CC-BY-NC licence
[20:16] <ScottK> The sort of book I would want other people involved in projects I'm involved in to have read.
[20:16] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: I'll let you know when it's done. :)
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> I couldn't find another book with that sort of content.
[20:17]  * shadeslayer tried out Haiku a couple of days bacl
[20:17] <shadeslayer> *back