[01:17] <zeroedout> the requirments page is disturbing sparse and lxde.org seems down :(  I have someone with a 600Mhz processor and 192MB of ram. will lubuntu run okay?
[01:19] <MrChrisDruif> zeroedout: Aloha, the RAM I'm pretty sure is enough :)
[01:19] <MrChrisDruif> For the other I will check the wiki :)
[01:21] <MrChrisDruif> zeroedout: According to < https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System%20requirements > a Pentium II or Celeron would suffice and you'd need 128MiB RAM :)
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know speeds of those CPU
[01:22] <MrChrisDruif> 's thou
[01:31] <zeroedout> ah sweet, thanks :D urg, it'll probably be better to do a minimal install
[01:32] <MrChrisDruif> Probably, that page should link to the minimal installation instructions
[01:34] <zeroedout> :)
[02:04] <biffbaxter> 600MHz should be fine
[02:07] <Unit193> zeroedout: Might be a tad slugish. What do you plan on doing?
[02:08] <MrChrisDruif> Running Lubuntu on it, what else would you think ;)
[02:08] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: Aloha
[02:09] <MrChrisDruif> So....tables have turned on us :P
[02:09] <biffbaxter> flash and firefox might be a bit slow.....but the basics should be good :)
[02:40] <jmarsden> zeroedout: Lubuntu will probably run OK in 192MB,  but *installing* it will need the minimal install stuff; 192MB is not enough for Ubiquity to work in.
[02:46] <slooksterpsv> The alternate install cd would work, but, same limitations with the memory in the OS
[02:58] <zeroedout> the fellow is gonna be creating documents, burning them to cd and general web surfing
[02:59] <zeroedout> slow is acceptable for that machine
[03:29] <slooksterpsv> is there a way to change the theme on lxde where it changes the panel's look as well?
[03:59] <biffbaxter> you can right click on the panel and go to panel settings
[03:59] <biffbaxter> in there you can change the appearance to system theme, image, or color
[08:13] <Ascavasaion> Lubuntu downloaded and installed.  It looks very nice sof ar.
[08:13] <gnewb> Good
[08:14] <gnewb> Is going to suprize you after you get the feel of it.
[08:16] <Ascavasaion> Thank you man, it runs nicely on my AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD.  I am tempted to install it onto by laptop with Centrino duo and 2Gb RAM.
[08:18] <gnewb> Ascavasaion: It will run great on that, should. What year is the BIOS on the laptop?
[08:18] <Ascavasaion> No idea, let me boot it.
[08:18] <gnewb> okee dokee
[08:20] <Unit193> Year shouldn't matter as much as version
[08:21] <Ascavasaion> No idea what year the BIOS is/
[08:22] <gnewb> Unit193: True that is, was just trying to get a 'feel' for the version.
[08:24] <gnewb> Ascavasaion: Should be skippy as it is , really not much or any bloat on a default install of Lubuntu or any LXDE that I have ever used.
[08:25] <Ascavasaion> Okies :)
[11:13] <slackmeister> good afternoon
[11:14] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha slackmeister
[11:59] <leszek> hi
[12:47] <nils_> hello. which vnc server would you recommend for lubuntu? vino or rather x11-vnc? does vino have performance disadvantages over x11-vnc?
[12:49] <bioterror> x11-vnc maybe
[12:50] <nils_> why?
[12:51] <leszek> they are using all the same protocol so why should there be a speed disadvantage ?
[12:54] <nils_> well vino builts on gnome. lubuntu uses lxde. im wondering if installing a gnome application causes slower system performance because the system needs to run gnome then?
[12:55] <leszek> nils_: that is a wrong info you got
[12:55] <nils_> can you explain me?
[12:55] <leszek> gnome is a desktop environment not a toolkit
[12:56] <nils_> yes i am aware. but how can lubuntu run applications built for another desktop environment
[12:57] <leszek> this depends on the applications
[12:58] <leszek> the most applications are not build to need the whole desktop environment to run
[12:58] <leszek> they only depend on the used toolkit (mostly either gtk+ , qt & kde)
[12:59] <leszek> lxde & lubuntu is almost completely based upon gtk+ which is also used by 99% of the applications that are shipped with ubuntu-desktop
[13:00] <nils_> I see, this means using gtk+ apps will not cause slower system performance
[13:00] <leszek> even using qt4 apps wont cause slower system performance
[13:00] <leszek> or even kde4 apps
[13:00] <nils_> ok :)
[13:00] <leszek> as they don't load the complete desktop environment only the needed libraries
[13:01] <leszek> but kde4 apps tend to load more libraries than gtk apps ;)
[13:01] <leszek> bbl , I'll go grab something to eat ;)
[13:02] <nils_> hey thanks for enlighting me :)
[13:27] <leszek> re
[17:50] <stlsaint> hyperair: ping
[18:01] <stlsaint> jmarsden: poke
[18:54] <mikeatvillage> I have Lubuntu 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 installed. Checkboxes in FF do not show a tick when clicked on, just a sunken effect. Would this be a FF problem or Lubuntu?
[18:55] <mikeatvillage> The work OK in Chromium.
[18:56] <kosaidpo|> mikeatvillage: i wud prefer to use chrmuim other than that i wud try dpkg-reconfigur firefox
[19:01] <mikeatvillage> Thanks, just done that but no improvement :-(
[19:02] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: Can you select another theme for Firefox?
[19:06] <mikeatvillage> Just tried a new theme, still no change :-(
[19:08] <kosaidpo|> mikeatvillage: can u remove it then install it even its  not the good solution tho
[19:08] <Unit193> bioterror: Is it safe to delete /var/log/kern.log?
[19:08] <bioterror> sure?
[19:08] <bioterror> it's just log
[19:09] <mikeatvillage> I'll try removing and reinstalling FF
[19:10] <Unit193> bioterror: 15G...
[19:10] <bioterror> what?!
[19:11] <Unit193> Yeah.... on a 33GB (40G) HDD...
[19:13] <stlsaint> bioterror: o/
[19:13] <bioterror> hi stl
[19:17] <stlsaint> bioterror: nm, dipping my pinky toe into packaging
[19:17] <mikeatvillage> No change. I will remove FF again and download a non-ubuntu modified one..
[19:18] <bioterror> use chromium
[19:18] <bioterror> it's the browser from future
[19:18] <stlsaint> +1
[19:19] <Unit193> Or Midori... (Chromium isn't that great...)
[19:19] <bioterror> hahaha
[19:19] <bioterror> midori is...
[19:19] <stlsaint> Unit193: HA
[19:19] <bioterror> not so feature rich
[19:19] <bioterror> use links -g
[19:19] <Unit193> Midori = Small not best!
[19:25] <mikeatvillage> I need FF, but will look at these others too. Thanks.
[19:28] <mikeatvillage> Oh, Midori does not work properly !
[19:30] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: It's a little buggy (but it seems to work fine for me)
[19:32] <mikeatvillage> Unit293: Did not warn me of non-secure site and hangs with a blank page after I enter name/password for protected parts of my websites :-(
[19:33] <stlsaint> tsk tsk, should have went with chromium ;)
[19:34] <mikeatvillage> Yes, I like Chromium, but need several others too.
[19:34] <Unit193> You could always use Opera ;)
[19:35] <mikeatvillage> Unit293: I've had problems with Opera too :-(
[19:36] <mikeatvillage> Seems that every standards compliant browser is different (@)^(@)
[22:48] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: I get the same problem in Seamonkey as I do in Firefox!
[22:52] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: Try to change your GTK theme
[22:55] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: Sorry, how do i do that?
[22:56] <MrChrisDruif> gtk-theme?
[22:57] <mikeatvillage> I don't know what that is ... I'll Google
[22:58] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Is it in Preferences > Customize Look and Feel?
[22:58] <Unit193> This may tell: http://maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/2011/02/11 (Changes more then just that too ;) )
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193: I think so, but I don't think it's GTK theme
[22:59] <bioterror> lxappearance
[22:59] <bioterror> for changing gtk themes
[22:59] <mikeatvillage> Oh, that :-)  I'll tinker around with that then ... tomorrow, it's late.  Many thanks for your help.
[22:59] <MrChrisDruif> OpenBox theme I think
[23:00] <Unit193> Nope, that's gtk (Same thing bioterror posted)
[23:01] <MrChrisDruif> Well...it's alright with me :P
[23:01] <mikeatvillage> Running lxappearance brings up Customise Look & Feel :-)
[23:04] <mikeatvillage> Well, I couldn't wait to try it ... I get the problem with any theme which has embossed checkboxes, plain one will display the tick. Weird! :-)
[23:05] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: I think gnome-look has some gtk themes you can tryout
[23:06] <mikeatvillage> Unit193: Tomorrow, must sleep!  :-)  Thanks.
[23:24] <kosaidpo|> hello guys
[23:24] <kosaidpo|> i have live usb so can i jst upgrade and keep my apps ?
[23:26] <busigast> hey :)
[23:26] <busigast> i am considereing changing from norman ubuntu tu lubuntu, does lubuntu support the same programs as ubuntu ?
[23:27] <bioterror> sure
[23:27] <Unit193> busigast: It uses the same repos, so you can install the same programs
[23:27] <bioterror> only the eyecandy is different
[23:27] <bioterror> and default programs are lighter
[23:27] <bioterror> and to be honest, we configure things with terminal ;-)
[23:28] <busigast> well uinity is not my cup of tea, and TWIL inspierd me tp try lubuntu
[23:28] <busigast> hehe, well im not that advanced in linux
[23:28] <MrChrisDruif> busigast: It's alright, we all started one day :)
[23:29] <busigast> yeah i love linux so far, why pay some evil corp for something that shoud be free (if you ask me)
[23:29] <kosaidpo|> guys can i upgrade without lossing my actual apps ?
[23:31] <kosaidpo|> none :O
[23:32] <busigast> kosaidpo|, i never lost my apps when upgrading ubuntu (eg from 10.04 to 10.10 etc)
[23:32] <busigast> but i am not shure with lubuntu
[23:32] <busigast> :/
[23:33] <kosaidpo|> busigast: i mean i have live usb and ill do a fresh install so is there an option duin the installation to choos so ican keep my apps : ] i hop im clear
[23:34] <busigast> then i do not know )= maybe if you wait a sec someone else will answer =)
[23:36] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Fresh installing means fresh installing...however...you could save your list with a command and restore that...
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: Quick google search helped me: "dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt" to save it (default saving location is ~/ or your Home folder. cd to an other location to save it somewhere else
[23:40] <MrChrisDruif> (Changing selections.txt to ~/Documents/selections.txt should also do the trick afaik)
[23:40] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: i dont see any ponit if ill reinstalll em : ]
[23:41] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: hang on ill show u ij jst need to find it
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> And restoring dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif>  followed by dselect update and apt-get dselect-upgrade show give you back your installed packages.
[23:41] <kosaidpo|> with that cmmd ill get the packages of jst their names ??
[23:43] <busigast> just installed lubuntu in virtualbox :D looking verry verry good
[23:43] <MrChrisDruif> kosaidpo|: The first will save the names in the right format to a file. The rest is for restoring
[23:44] <MrChrisDruif> You could even name it package.list (I've heard that one before)
[23:45] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: hat i mean when ill run my live usb will i find an option say upgrade to 11.04 and install so ican choose btw em cus isaw this in ubuntu so im wondeing
[23:45] <MrChrisDruif> Yes you can choose upgrade, but that wouldn't make a fresh install would it? :)
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> Oops...
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure about Lubuntu, but with Ubuntu it does
[23:46] <kosaidpo|> well from wht the word means wudnt :D
[23:46] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[23:47] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, shutting down...quarter to one here (AM)
[23:47] <kosaidpo|> MrChrisDruif: same here
[23:47] <busigast> norway ? :P
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> busigast: Holland :)
[23:48] <busigast> ahh atleast same timezone :D
[23:48] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[23:51] <kosaidpo|> peace out guys