[01:17] the requirments page is disturbing sparse and lxde.org seems down :( I have someone with a 600Mhz processor and 192MB of ram. will lubuntu run okay? [01:19] zeroedout: Aloha, the RAM I'm pretty sure is enough :) [01:19] For the other I will check the wiki :) [01:21] zeroedout: According to < https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System%20requirements > a Pentium II or Celeron would suffice and you'd need 128MiB RAM :) [01:22] I don't know speeds of those CPU [01:22] 's thou [01:31] ah sweet, thanks :D urg, it'll probably be better to do a minimal install [01:32] Probably, that page should link to the minimal installation instructions [01:34] :) [02:04] 600MHz should be fine [02:07] zeroedout: Might be a tad slugish. What do you plan on doing? [02:08] Running Lubuntu on it, what else would you think ;) [02:08] Unit193: Aloha [02:09] So....tables have turned on us :P [02:09] flash and firefox might be a bit slow.....but the basics should be good :) [02:40] zeroedout: Lubuntu will probably run OK in 192MB, but *installing* it will need the minimal install stuff; 192MB is not enough for Ubiquity to work in. [02:46] The alternate install cd would work, but, same limitations with the memory in the OS [02:58] the fellow is gonna be creating documents, burning them to cd and general web surfing [02:59] slow is acceptable for that machine [03:29] is there a way to change the theme on lxde where it changes the panel's look as well? [03:59] you can right click on the panel and go to panel settings [03:59] in there you can change the appearance to system theme, image, or color [08:13] Lubuntu downloaded and installed. It looks very nice sof ar. [08:13] Good [08:14] Is going to suprize you after you get the feel of it. [08:16] Thank you man, it runs nicely on my AMD Duron 1300MHz, 384Mb RAM and 20Gb HDD. I am tempted to install it onto by laptop with Centrino duo and 2Gb RAM. [08:18] Ascavasaion: It will run great on that, should. What year is the BIOS on the laptop? [08:18] No idea, let me boot it. [08:18] okee dokee [08:20] Year shouldn't matter as much as version [08:21] No idea what year the BIOS is/ [08:22] Unit193: True that is, was just trying to get a 'feel' for the version. [08:24] Ascavasaion: Should be skippy as it is , really not much or any bloat on a default install of Lubuntu or any LXDE that I have ever used. [08:25] Okies :) [11:13] good afternoon [11:14] Aloha slackmeister [11:59] hi [12:47] hello. which vnc server would you recommend for lubuntu? vino or rather x11-vnc? does vino have performance disadvantages over x11-vnc? [12:49] x11-vnc maybe [12:50] why? [12:51] they are using all the same protocol so why should there be a speed disadvantage ? [12:54] well vino builts on gnome. lubuntu uses lxde. im wondering if installing a gnome application causes slower system performance because the system needs to run gnome then? [12:55] nils_: that is a wrong info you got [12:55] can you explain me? [12:55] gnome is a desktop environment not a toolkit [12:56] yes i am aware. but how can lubuntu run applications built for another desktop environment [12:57] this depends on the applications [12:58] the most applications are not build to need the whole desktop environment to run [12:58] they only depend on the used toolkit (mostly either gtk+ , qt & kde) [12:59] lxde & lubuntu is almost completely based upon gtk+ which is also used by 99% of the applications that are shipped with ubuntu-desktop [13:00] I see, this means using gtk+ apps will not cause slower system performance [13:00] even using qt4 apps wont cause slower system performance [13:00] or even kde4 apps [13:00] ok :) [13:00] as they don't load the complete desktop environment only the needed libraries [13:01] but kde4 apps tend to load more libraries than gtk apps ;) [13:01] bbl , I'll go grab something to eat ;) [13:02] hey thanks for enlighting me :) [13:27] re [17:50] hyperair: ping [18:01] jmarsden: poke [18:54] I have Lubuntu 11.04 and Firefox 4.0.1 installed. Checkboxes in FF do not show a tick when clicked on, just a sunken effect. Would this be a FF problem or Lubuntu? [18:55] The work OK in Chromium. [18:56] mikeatvillage: i wud prefer to use chrmuim other than that i wud try dpkg-reconfigur firefox [19:01] Thanks, just done that but no improvement :-( [19:02] mikeatvillage: Can you select another theme for Firefox? [19:06] Just tried a new theme, still no change :-( [19:08] mikeatvillage: can u remove it then install it even its not the good solution tho [19:08] bioterror: Is it safe to delete /var/log/kern.log? [19:08] sure? [19:08] it's just log [19:09] I'll try removing and reinstalling FF [19:10] bioterror: 15G... [19:10] what?! [19:11] Yeah.... on a 33GB (40G) HDD... [19:13] bioterror: o/ [19:13] hi stl [19:17] bioterror: nm, dipping my pinky toe into packaging [19:17] No change. I will remove FF again and download a non-ubuntu modified one.. [19:18] use chromium [19:18] it's the browser from future [19:18] +1 [19:19] Or Midori... (Chromium isn't that great...) [19:19] hahaha [19:19] midori is... [19:19] Unit193: HA [19:19] not so feature rich [19:19] use links -g [19:19] Midori = Small not best! [19:25] I need FF, but will look at these others too. Thanks. [19:28] Oh, Midori does not work properly ! [19:30] mikeatvillage: It's a little buggy (but it seems to work fine for me) [19:32] Unit293: Did not warn me of non-secure site and hangs with a blank page after I enter name/password for protected parts of my websites :-( [19:33] tsk tsk, should have went with chromium ;) [19:34] Yes, I like Chromium, but need several others too. [19:34] You could always use Opera ;) [19:35] Unit293: I've had problems with Opera too :-( [19:36] Seems that every standards compliant browser is different (@)^(@) [22:48] Unit193: I get the same problem in Seamonkey as I do in Firefox! [22:52] mikeatvillage: Try to change your GTK theme [22:55] Unit193: Sorry, how do i do that? [22:56] gtk-theme? [22:57] I don't know what that is ... I'll Google [22:58] MrChrisDruif: Is it in Preferences > Customize Look and Feel? [22:58] This may tell: http://maketecheasier.com/theme-up-lubuntu/2011/02/11 (Changes more then just that too ;) ) [22:58] Unit193: I think so, but I don't think it's GTK theme [22:59] lxappearance [22:59] for changing gtk themes [22:59] Oh, that :-) I'll tinker around with that then ... tomorrow, it's late. Many thanks for your help. [22:59] OpenBox theme I think [23:00] Nope, that's gtk (Same thing bioterror posted) [23:01] Well...it's alright with me :P [23:01] Running lxappearance brings up Customise Look & Feel :-) [23:04] Well, I couldn't wait to try it ... I get the problem with any theme which has embossed checkboxes, plain one will display the tick. Weird! :-) [23:05] mikeatvillage: I think gnome-look has some gtk themes you can tryout [23:06] Unit193: Tomorrow, must sleep! :-) Thanks. [23:24] hello guys [23:24] i have live usb so can i jst upgrade and keep my apps ? [23:26] hey :) [23:26] i am considereing changing from norman ubuntu tu lubuntu, does lubuntu support the same programs as ubuntu ? [23:27] sure [23:27] busigast: It uses the same repos, so you can install the same programs [23:27] only the eyecandy is different [23:27] and default programs are lighter [23:27] and to be honest, we configure things with terminal ;-) [23:28] well uinity is not my cup of tea, and TWIL inspierd me tp try lubuntu [23:28] hehe, well im not that advanced in linux [23:28] busigast: It's alright, we all started one day :) [23:29] yeah i love linux so far, why pay some evil corp for something that shoud be free (if you ask me) [23:29] guys can i upgrade without lossing my actual apps ? [23:31] none :O [23:32] kosaidpo|, i never lost my apps when upgrading ubuntu (eg from 10.04 to 10.10 etc) [23:32] but i am not shure with lubuntu [23:32] :/ [23:33] busigast: i mean i have live usb and ill do a fresh install so is there an option duin the installation to choos so ican keep my apps : ] i hop im clear [23:34] then i do not know )= maybe if you wait a sec someone else will answer =) [23:36] kosaidpo|: Fresh installing means fresh installing...however...you could save your list with a command and restore that... [23:39] kosaidpo|: Quick google search helped me: "dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt" to save it (default saving location is ~/ or your Home folder. cd to an other location to save it somewhere else [23:40] (Changing selections.txt to ~/Documents/selections.txt should also do the trick afaik) [23:40] MrChrisDruif: i dont see any ponit if ill reinstalll em : ] [23:41] MrChrisDruif: hang on ill show u ij jst need to find it [23:41] And restoring dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt [23:41] followed by dselect update and apt-get dselect-upgrade show give you back your installed packages. [23:41] with that cmmd ill get the packages of jst their names ?? [23:43] just installed lubuntu in virtualbox :D looking verry verry good [23:43] kosaidpo|: The first will save the names in the right format to a file. The rest is for restoring [23:44] You could even name it package.list (I've heard that one before) [23:45] MrChrisDruif: hat i mean when ill run my live usb will i find an option say upgrade to 11.04 and install so ican choose btw em cus isaw this in ubuntu so im wondeing [23:45] Yes you can choose upgrade, but that wouldn't make a fresh install would it? :) [23:46] Oops... [23:46] I'm not sure about Lubuntu, but with Ubuntu it does [23:46] well from wht the word means wudnt :D [23:46] :P [23:47] Alright, shutting down...quarter to one here (AM) [23:47] MrChrisDruif: same here [23:47] norway ? :P [23:48] busigast: Holland :) [23:48] ahh atleast same timezone :D [23:48] xD [23:51] peace out guys