[00:00] <Captainkrtek> Im getting it all fixed up
[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> what yo have could be an OK level of detail
[00:00] <Rocket2DMn> anyway, just keep that in mind while i go whip up some chow
[00:00] <Captainkrtek> sure :-)
[00:05] <Captainkrtek> okay fixed the issues, also removed a section to make it smaller
[00:05] <Captainkrtek> and the links are fixed
[00:14] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, when you get back, if you could look at this :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1563
[00:14] <Captainkrtek> thanks!
[00:50] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, have you tested these directions at all?
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> yes
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> actually used them today on an adapter
[00:51] <Captainkrtek> an old fon router :-)
[00:53] <Captainkrtek> Rocket2DMn, ^
[00:58] <Rocket2DMn> "Search your card manufacturer's website for a Linux driver" - end in a period
[00:59] <Rocket2DMn> "full information on ndiswrapper" - start with a capital letter
[00:59] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:00] <Rocket2DMn> "You can also go back to here to check " - on "here" there is a link.  Isn't there a way to let it show the title of the section rather than saying "here"?
[01:01] <Rocket2DMn> i think there is a way of showing it automatically but i'm not 100% sure
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> Im not sure
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> I could just say
[01:01] <Captainkrtek> You can also go back to the initial check page to check for any signs of connectivity
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> ok, we'll get bac kto that one
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> "3. Run the command" - extra numbering there
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> forgot to remove that
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> the lists now work
[01:02] <Rocket2DMn> interface task. (note not all cards support scanning) - either put the parens before the period or drop them altogether
[01:02] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:03] <Rocket2DMn> There are still a bunch of links to the Command Reference page - i'm not sure if it's appropriate to keep linking the a webpage
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> yeah...
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> those links are useful though
[01:03] <Captainkrtek> they explain the commands
[01:03] <Rocket2DMn> you can include a link to the page the original source page and that one at the top of the document for reference, but don't keep linking to it
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> okay
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> Ill remove all those href's then
[01:04] <Rocket2DMn> not everyone has internet, esp. if they are troubleshooting their network card :)
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> true...
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[01:04] <Captainkrtek> good point
[01:05] <Captainkrtek> okay let me re-format all of this then...
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, "<link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check"
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> err
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> <link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check"/>
[01:08] <Rocket2DMn> that will show the title
[01:08] <Captainkrtek> oh that does it
[01:08] <Captainkrtek> cool thanks :)
[01:09] <Captainkrtek> okay think we are good now, let me just check it all
[01:09] <Captainkrtek> only have 2 xrefs
[01:10] <Captainkrtek> they link to guides on supported hardware
[01:10] <Rocket2DMn> i would actually do <link xref="net-wireless-troubleshooting-initial-check#net-wireless-initial-check"/>
[01:13] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:14] <Captainkrtek> anything else?
[01:14] <Captainkrtek> still reading it over a few times
[01:15] <Rocket2DMn> some of the spacing is a little funky, but otherwise it looks pretty good
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> still learning all of this ;-)
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> thats ok, youve done more mallard than i have now
[01:16] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:16] <Rocket2DMn> im just basing some stuff on experience with docbook
[01:17] <Captainkrtek> yeah, well you sure know more than I do
[01:17] <Captainkrtek> I appreciate the help :-)
[01:19] <Captainkrtek> K pushed it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/+junk/gnome-help/revision/1564
[01:22] <Rocket2DMn> the Check Driver section still has a bunch of links
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> I just left two
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> on purpose
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> or do you want me to just remove those whole bits
[01:23] <Rocket2DMn> i would remove them all for the commands, you can include a link to the command page at the top
[01:23] <Captainkrtek> I removed em all for the commands...
[01:23] <Rocket2DMn> also, section titles shouldn't be all uppercase words
[01:24] <Captainkrtek> k
[01:24] <Rocket2DMn> ah sorry about that links, dang yelp is caching on me
[01:24] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> I only left
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> You can check <link href="http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/">here</link>
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> to see if your card is supported by ndiswrapper.</p></item>
[01:25] <Captainkrtek> and then the "full info on ndiswrapper is here"
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> also replaced all <code> tags with <cmd>
[01:27] <Rocket2DMn> k
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> looks pretty good now...
[01:27] <Captainkrtek> and ill just add a thing about the commands on the top
[01:28] <Rocket2DMn> ok, cool
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> ok i need to shutdown my computer to check my memory module (i cant quite read it where it is :( )
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> gotta figure out exactly what it is, i need more, lol
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> :/
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> lol
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> run memtest?
[01:29] <Rocket2DMn> no, its not bad, i just need more of it
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> ahh
[01:29] <Captainkrtek> Newegg <3
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i upgraded to 64 bit and i'm chewing up memor ylike crazy in natty
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i keep swapping and its killing me
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> who woulda thought 2GB wasnt enough
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> Im using 2 of my 4
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> flash player crashes often :P
[01:30] <Captainkrtek> committing
[01:30] <Rocket2DMn> i start swapping when i get to about 1.5, i use almost a GB doing nothing, what a difference sinec lucid 32 bit
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> Captainkrtek, you can do a merge request when you're finished
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> sure :)
[01:31] <Rocket2DMn> k, ill bbl man
[01:31] <Captainkrtek> k
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> hey jbicha
[02:22] <jbicha> howdy, yeah I have to be careful not to run out of memory and I have 4GB!
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> think you could merge something?
[02:22] <Captainkrtek> launchpad keeps giving me timeout errors :(
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1565
[02:23] <jbicha> yeah maybe they broke Launchpad this morning
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> hehe
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> worked with Connor to fix up the last networking guide page
[02:23] <Captainkrtek> for wireless
[02:27] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, it work?
[02:28] <Captainkrtek> this is the branch: lp:~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help
[02:29] <jbicha> just a moment, on the phone
[02:29] <Captainkrtek> oh okay haha
[02:53] <jbicha> I switched from Gedit to Geany today
[02:53] <j1mc> how's it working out? i haven't used geany in a while.
[02:55] <jbicha> I don't know, haven't used it long enough, but it's got more gizmos
[02:55] <jbicha> it has an XML folding mode which can help for Mallard I think
[02:56] <j1mc> what does the folding do?
[02:56]  * j1mc installs it :)
[02:57] <jbicha> install geany-plugins too
[02:57] <jbicha> I'm thinking it can help me find issues with tags not being closed faster
[02:58] <j1mc> cool
[03:07] <Captainkrtek> j1mc or jbicha check the ML if you have a minute
[03:08] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: I'm working on your branch now, it's taking me a bit to figure out how this
[03:08] <jbicha> *how to get this new-fangled text editor to work like I want it to
[03:09] <Captainkrtek> lol k
[03:09] <jbicha> gedit's nice for its simplicity
[03:14] <jbicha> Captainkrtek: just as a head's up, you forgot the <p> in your second note so it doesn't display
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> oh
[03:15] <Captainkrtek> whoops
[03:15] <jbicha> and your line breaks are a bit weird
[03:19] <jbicha> like you put periods on the next line which isn't needed
[03:19] <jbicha> I don't use new lines for tags inside paragraphs
[03:22] <Captainkrtek> k
[03:22] <jbicha> as it makes it more difficult for a human to read the paragraph
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> im not human
[03:38] <Captainkrtek> lol
[03:54] <jbicha> "see below to blacklist this driver"
[03:57] <jbicha> except there is no below
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> oh
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> forgot, we removed that part :/
[04:00] <Captainkrtek> sorry
[04:00] <jbicha> email sent :-)
[04:07] <Captainkrtek> thanks :)
[04:11] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, what do you mean wit hthe gui instructions?
[04:11] <Captainkrtek> just my doc or the rest?
[04:12] <jbicha> I mean the "Click the session menu and select System Settings" thing instead of Session Indicator > System Setttings
[04:12] <Captainkrtek> oh
[04:15] <jbicha> so which Android do you use?
[04:15] <jbicha> or are you an android?
[04:16] <Captainkrtek> Im on Android
[04:16] <Captainkrtek> I have the HTC Thunderbolt currently
[04:17] <Captainkrtek> also own the Motorola Droid 1, Samsung Fascinate, and soon to have all post-launch samsung devices
[04:17] <Atamira> Captainkrtek, if you're not human, what are ya then?
[04:17] <Atamira> second thoughts
[04:17] <Atamira> nevermind
[04:17] <Captainkrtek> Atamira, A Krtek
[04:18] <Atamira> lol
[04:18] <Captainkrtek> Captain of them ;-)
[04:19] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, finished with the doc :)
[04:19] <Captainkrtek> the final final final final changes
[04:20] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~steven.richards/ubuntu-docs/gnome-help/revision/1566
[04:28] <jbicha> not all cards support scanning, isn't that fundamental to how a wireless net card works?
[04:33] <jbicha> maybe the writer got confused with promiscuous mode
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> actually
[04:33] <Captainkrtek> not all card do if i remember correctly
[04:34] <jbicha> but how do they work?
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> umm promiscous mode allows you to monitor networks but not connect to them I think...
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> s a configuration of a network card that makes the card pass all traffic it receives to the central processing unit rather than just frames addressed to it
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> so it's used for monitoring in a sense
[04:35] <Captainkrtek> like packet sniffing
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> and I remember not all devices support it
[04:36] <jbicha> right, promiscuous is different
[04:36] <jbicha> but scanning is fundamental to how wifi cards works
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> wrong wording?
[04:36] <jbicha> the guide doesn't care about promiscuous so the writer was confused
[04:36] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[04:37] <jbicha> the guide overall is confusing, it needs someone to simplify it
[04:37] <Captainkrtek> yeah...
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> I just ported it and tried to clarify a little bit
[04:38] <jbicha> I'll still upload your part but it needs work for next cycle :-)
[04:38] <Captainkrtek> I'm on it boss :-)
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> The whole guide looks like a bunch of commands
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> like "run this and see if you get xy"
[04:40] <Captainkrtek> need to be more methodical and explain a bit of what each thing means
[04:41] <jbicha> not all of which are needed, and several which are repetitive
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> yes
[04:41] <jbicha> I'm going to take out the Network Connections part as that gui doesn't work that way
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> sure
[04:41] <Captainkrtek> just reading about Ubuntu Membership..
[04:43] <jbicha> maybe they mean Network Tools but that interface is too complex to mention without explanation
[04:43] <jbicha> I'm finally applying for Membership this month
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> nice :)
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> Ill endorse it if you wish
[04:43] <Captainkrtek> You've been a good teacher
[04:44] <jbicha> "significant and sustained contribution" is a bit ambiguous but I think now I'm well-qualified
[04:44] <jbicha> a year ago I wasn't so sure
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> how long have you been working
[04:44] <Captainkrtek> a few months?
[04:46] <jbicha> um, it's been a few years but I'm doing more useful things now
[04:47] <Captainkrtek> gotcha
[04:48] <Captainkrtek> hope ill be a member someday :-)
[05:07] <jbicha> what's link type="home" mean?
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> umm
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> not sure
[05:10] <Captainkrtek> did I put that?
[05:12] <jbicha> I don't know, it may have already been there, I'm fixing it though
[05:17] <Captainkrtek> k
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> Trying to get involved in the Evince project
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> for documentation
[05:18] <Captainkrtek> they use mallard :)
[05:32] <jbicha> everyone in Gnome will be
[05:35] <Captainkrtek> neat
[05:57] <Captainkrtek> jbicha, you commit the doc yet?
[05:57] <jbicha> no, I'm fighting to get the series links to work the way I want to
[05:58] <Captainkrtek> okay, best of luck ;-)
[05:58] <Captainkrtek> anything I can help with?
[05:58] <jbicha> I'm doing ok, the documentation is a bit confusing with this but I'm emailing the mailing list about that :-)
[05:59] <Captainkrtek> heh
[05:59] <Captainkrtek> any other docs you need actioned?
[06:20] <jbicha> we still have 2 those printer pages that I won't get to until the weekend
[06:30] <Captainkrtek> I can do them tomorrow hopefully
[06:31] <Captainkrtek> I can load up a live cd and test it on another box in the house
[06:34] <jbicha> I seem to remember printer install being more automatic in previous Ubuntu versions, it required me to
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> ea
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> yeah*
[06:34] <jbicha> click the driver which was pre-selected but still
[06:34] <Captainkrtek> yeah i'll verify it for the team :-)
[06:38] <Captainkrtek> hey j1mc :-)
[06:41] <j1mc> hi Captainkrtek
[06:42] <Captainkrtek> hello
[06:43] <j1mc> this video is kind of blowing my mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ  :)
[06:43] <Captainkrtek> lol
[06:44] <Captainkrtek> j1mc, you ever see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq_A8nXMsQ
[06:45] <j1mc> i think i've heard of it before
[06:45] <Captainkrtek> yeah
[06:45] <Captainkrtek> good speech
[16:46] <j1mc> i will be in the #ubuntu-classroom chan at 1700 UTC talking about docs.
[16:46] <j1mc> feel free to join and ask questions in #ubuntu-classroom-chat in case i run out of things to say.  :)