[00:22] <SpamapS> soren: there's the Hungarian Phrase Book
[00:26] <Italian_Plumber> Is there some magic I need to do so that Ubuntu doesn't take up gobs and gobs of CPU time when copying, moving, or deleting files?  Just deleting a bunch of files has bumped my load average to close to "3".
[01:00] <mrroth_> any good ubuntu based email appliance distrubution
[01:03] <Calif> I'm using this tutorial to configure a dhcp server
[01:03] <Calif> http://www.howtoforge.com/dhcp_server_linux_debian_sarge
[01:03] <Calif> However, I'm not sure how to start it, the command in the tutorial didn't work.
[01:03] <Calif> 'no such file or dir'
[01:09] <ChmEarl> Calif, cause its called dhcp3-server?
[01:10] <Calif> well, I'm sure its sometihng stupid like that
[01:10] <Calif> I've got dhcpd.conf
[01:11] <Calif> I don't know, maybe this isn't even the right tutorial, I thuoght that was what they had promoted
[01:12] <ChmEarl> Calif, dhcpd.conf is used here on lucid-server, but in /etc/dhcp3
[01:13] <Calif> ok, let me try something
[01:13] <Calif> one sec
[01:14] <Calif> ok, I've messed this up good
[01:14] <Calif> I should probably start over
[01:15] <Calif> I just want a simple dhcp server, whats something that I can get with apt-get, that you would recommend?
[01:15] <Calif> is this dhcp3-server good? Would you have used something else?
[01:19] <Calif> fuck it, I made a backup ill just start over
[01:21] <JanC> Calif: dhcp3-server is good, but if you only need a simple DHCP/DNS server for a small LAN, you can also look at dnsmasq
[01:23] <Calif> Here's another question
[01:23] <Calif> # No service will be given on this subnet, but declaring it helps the
[01:23] <Calif> # DHCP server to understand the network topology.
[01:23] <Calif> #subnet 10.152.187.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[01:23] <Calif> #}
[01:23] <Calif> What is this subnet - is this the external, internal, whats the point of this part?
[01:26] <ChmEarl> Calif, that only applies if you have a 10.x.x.0 private lan
[01:27] <Calif> what if I have a different address, but it's still a private address scheme on the lan I wish to use dhcp with?
[01:27] <Calif> eg: 192, or 172
[01:27] <ChmEarl> Calif, keep reading the samples, they show an example
[01:28] <ChmEarl> /usr/share/doc/dhcp3-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
[01:28] <Calif> I'm looking at a few under that
[01:29] <Calif> So the purpose of these lines is just to show different config examples, the above one being the simplest?
[01:29] <Calif> further more, the above one can remain commented without affecting anything?
[01:30] <Calif> I'm running this on a linux box thats doubling as a router/fw for my network
[01:30] <Calif> so I want to offer dhcp services to the internal
[01:31] <Calif> that said, the external interface is dhcp as well, but it gets its address from an upstream router
[01:32] <Calif> I'm sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.
[01:33] <JanC> Calif: for a small LAN, dnsmasq is much easier to set up & includes a DNS relay server (but lacks several more advanced features that dhcp3-server & bind support)
[01:33] <ChmEarl> Calif, your internals are limited to certain nics: in dhcp.conf I have - INTERFACES="eth1 eth2"
[01:33] <ChmEarl> eth0 is for my WAN
[01:34] <Calif> dhcpd.conf doesnt allow me to specify the interfaces
[01:35] <Calif> That said, if I just uncomment one of these, and give it the addresses of my internal interface, can I expect that to work?
[01:35] <Calif> Or is there some other place I specify the interface I want to use?
[01:36]  * ChmEarl slaps Calif with a trout: I just gave you the line
[01:36] <Calif> you said dhcp.conf
[01:36] <Calif> So i have to edit that file as well?
[01:36] <Calif> or did you typo it
[01:36] <Calif> and meant dhcpd
[01:37] <Calif> I swear, I wish I knew this stuff like you guys do ;p
[01:38] <Calif> I'm like 10 years behind or something until a month ago, the most advanced thing I did was setup an eggdrpo
[01:38] <Calif> now im running a server with a firewall, and dhcp, I'm setting up nagios
[01:38] <Calif> but I am fairly challenged by these tasks, it's going to be a long time before I understand nix like some of you guys
[01:39] <JanC> Calif: reading up on basic networking and what DHCP does might be useful  ;)
[01:39] <Calif> I've got basic networking, and I understand dhcp, but I'm coming from windows so there's a disconnect
[01:40] <JanC> it works exactly the same in Windows  ;)
[01:40] <Calif> it works the same, but the setup is radically different  ;p
[01:40] <Calif> it's similiar in the physical settings
[01:40] <Calif> but how you put it all together, and knowing what to edit where, I get confused easily
[01:41] <Calif> I can set this up on windows server with my eyes closed - setting up reservations, static assignments, ranges, all sorts of stuff
[01:41] <Calif> And I've read stuff on linux too
[01:42] <Calif> You all probably know the 'linux newbie administrator guide;
[01:42] <Calif> I've read that twice over the years, (not to say I'd not benefit from another round mind you.)
[01:42] <Calif> with me, I think, the trouble is I read stuff and it makes sense, but I need to _do_ it for it to sink in
[01:43] <Calif> and half the tutorials I find on stuff leave things out, or expect and assume you know some small detail... You can't ask a tutorial a question... so I wind up here
[01:44] <Calif> anyway, so back to this - I think if I can figure this out, I'll be able to do the rest and run this thing in a few minutes
[01:44] <Calif> I'm going to go look at your dhcp.conf, and see if that answers my question
[01:45] <Calif> well, my dhcp.conf ;p
[01:46] <Calif> ok, so using the locate command, I found a copy of that in the /etc/samba dir
[01:46] <Calif> is it supposed to be an empty file ?
[01:46] <Calif> probably..
[01:47] <Calif> ChmEarl, I just add the INTERFACES="ethx" - x being the interface going out to my internal network that I want to offer dhcp services on?
[01:48] <JanC> I suggest you don't go looking for similarly named files in random other directories  ;)
[01:48] <Calif> lol
[01:49] <Calif> So was he meaning to tell me to edit dhcpd.conf with that line, or did I miss something entirely here, because locate only came up with one file
[01:50] <Calif> if it is dhcpd.conf where in the file do I stick that line at?
[01:51] <Calif> I'm sure once I get the interface and that line I pasted earlier figured out, that would be all my questions for tonight ;p
[01:51] <Calif> There is an end to the madness I promise ;p
[01:53] <Calif> I know im close, it'd suck to abandon this 70% through to pick another dhcp server, that I'll probably likewise have dumb questions about...
[01:55] <Calif> chm, I didn't pm you without asking, I used notice - I'm making an effort :P
[01:57] <JanC> Calif: I configured my first gateway with dnsmasq in less than 30 minutes  ;)
[01:58] <JanC> less than 15 maybe
[01:58] <Calif> If I can figure out what I need to do next I'd be done in 2
[01:58] <JanC> and I suppose dhcpd.conf is the file for the DHCP server config
[01:58] <Calif> I believe so
[01:59] <Calif> I can paste you the contents in a pastebin if you think you could help
[01:59] <Calif> I think it's simple, but I know there's something to what chm said too about defining my interface
[01:59] <Calif> I know the info I want to put in for my network, but there's some stuff it says mainly for the examples that confuses me as to why they worded it like that
[02:00] <Calif> I'm tempted to ignore that part and just uncomment one of teh examples, change some stuff to my info, but that leaves the interface thing chm spoke of, that I can't figure out where to put it "INTERFACES="eth1 eth2""
[02:02] <Calif> Sorry, lost my connection
[02:04] <Calif> My room mates coming home soon, I may have to give up soon
[02:05] <JanC> well, 3am here, so I give up now  :P
[02:05] <twb> dnsmasq ROCKS
[02:06] <Calif> Cool, thansk for your help JanC
[02:06] <twb> Calif: interface lines go in dnsmasq.conf
[02:06] <Calif> I'm not using dnsmasq I don't think
[02:06] <twb> Oh sorry
[02:06] <Calif> dhcpd.conf
[02:06] <twb> Then I can't help :P
[02:06] <Calif> crap :/
[02:06] <Calif> lol
[02:07] <Calif> ok, I promise if I don't figure this out in a day or so
[02:07] <Calif> that will be the first thing I try
[02:07] <Calif> I'm already mostly through this one
[02:07] <Calif> so I'm hoping to finish it before I jump to another one
[02:07] <Calif> it'd be nice to figure out both in the end
[02:28] <twb> Is there a way to tell nmap to operate over an ssh hop (e.g. SOCKS with ssh -D) ?
[02:29] <twb> nmap is on my laptop, I can ssh into bastion.example.net, and from there I can connect to foo.example.net -- but I can't reach foo.example.net directly from my laptop, and I can't install nmap on bastio
[02:30] <RoyK> ssh -I
[03:31] <goddard> how can i setup a default pipe for email that doesn't have a real account?
[03:31] <goddard> like a catch all
[03:56] <twb> goddard: with postfix?
[03:56] <goddard> yes
[03:56] <Calif> ok, I read a bit about dhcpd
[03:56] <twb> goddard: dunno, try #postfix
[03:56] <Calif> I'm a bit confused with declaring a subnet/interface
[03:57] <Calif> I'm going to run dhcp on a box which acts as a gateway/firewall, and the external interface is a public address but it dynamically changes.
[03:57] <Calif> So how would I declare such a subnet in dhcpd.conf (isc)?
[04:08] <twb> Someone please explain this: /bin/sh: hardcopy.7: not found
[04:08] <twb> Someone please explain this: http://paste.debian.net/116054/
[04:08] <twb> Ah, -h
[04:09] <twb> never mind
[05:39] <blahdeblah> Any grub experts out there? I've got a client getting grub error 24 "Attempt to access block outside partition" on a server that was previously running perfectly. Bug #353071 seems to be related, but it is for much older versions, and i've tried all the suggested remedies.
[06:14] <blahdeblah> And i forgot to mention that there's no ext4 involved - all filesystems are ext3
[06:15] <ScottK> blahdeblah: What release were you using when the systems were initially installed?
[06:15] <blahdeblah> I don't know - i am only new on the site.  I think it was hardy.
[06:15] <blahdeblah> Certainly it was upgraded from hardy
[06:16] <ScottK> Then you at least have grub and not grub2.
[06:16] <blahdeblah> yes, definitely
[06:17] <blahdeblah> The upgrade from hardy was fine for a few weeks, then something happened (don't know what, since i am only on site when required) and on the next reboot it exhibited this problem.
[06:18] <blahdeblah> ScottK: I wondered whether i should upgrade to grub2, but i don't like to do upgrades in the middle of an unexpected downtime.
[06:18] <ScottK> I wouldn't.
[06:19] <ScottK> You're sure some enterprising young admin didn't decide these file systems should be converted to ext4?
[06:19] <ScottK> I'd guess not.
[06:19] <blahdeblah> yes
[06:19] <blahdeblah> Very sure
[06:19] <twb> blahdeblah: grub2 is a downgrade
[06:20] <blahdeblah> I also ran a full fsck which came back with no errors
[06:20] <blahdeblah> I've reinstalled grub a few times, using both the /dev/sdX devices, and the /dev/md0 device, and all result in the same behaviour.
[06:20] <twb> extlinux FTW
[06:20] <ScottK> Sorry, no idea.
[06:20] <twb> You've used it on CDs, you've used it from PXE, now use it for normal booting!
[06:36] <_ruben> hooray for co-workers not showing up for planned maintainance.. grr
[08:35] <talntid> What is your favorite file system for hosting/scaling a large MySQL database and why?
[08:37] <AphisOne> talntid: That may be a better question for the mysql room.
[08:51] <twb> I removed the stupid NAT interface from libvirt, because I only want bridging
[08:52] <twb> I just upgraded libvirt, and the postinst has recreated libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/default.xml -- why?
[08:52] <twb> That is not how conffiles are supposed to behave
[08:55] <rafalk42> hello, I'm trying to upgrade ubuntu server to 11.04 and I get following errors: http://pastebin.com/9whvVhs1 . Can i throw out one of those offending packages?
[08:58] <twb> Try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/console-setup_....deb /var/cache/apt/archives/keyboard-configuration_....deb
[08:58] <rafalk42> ok, I'll try that
[08:59] <twb> It's trying to upgrade keyboard-configuration first due to bad dependency declarations, I think
[08:59] <twb> Note that you should be upgrading only one version at a time
[08:59] <twb> e.g. 10.04 directly to 11.04 is not supported
[09:00] <rafalk42> oh, that could be the problem
[09:33] <th0mz> can some1 tell me where i can find the changelog for  libapache2-mod-php5 last night update please ?
[09:33] <th0mz> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"
[09:34] <th0mz> i had some trouble with various CMS since last w.e. which has been corrected last night.
[09:35] <taneli> th0mz: aptitude changelog libapache2-mod-php5
[09:37] <th0mz> xampart: great, thanks.
[09:45] <twb> Did you know that in d-i, if you drop to a shell and do "mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda", you can convince d-i that you don't need a partition table?
[09:46] <twb> This is especially good for /dev/vda VM virtual disks
[10:37] <twb> Oh, NICE.  Warning: Permanently added 'example-natty' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
[10:38] <twb> natty has ECDSA host keys OOTB
[11:18] <dany_> can anyone help with a virtual host configuration? I have 2 internal ip ś with 2 webservers. I want mail.domain.tld to refer to webmail and domain.tld to my website.
[11:19] <dany_> and both are port 80
[11:27] <xampart> dany_: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#servername
[11:28] <dany_> thank you
[11:29] <xampart> dns should be properly configured of course
[11:31] <RoyK> any idea what might cause this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/603635/
[11:32] <RoyK> dany_: you don't need two IPs either - it's easier to just use VirtualHost with host header (ServerName / ServerAlias)
[11:32] <jkakar> Hi!  I've got a server running my application.
[11:32] <jkakar> I've created an Upstart script to start it.
[11:32] <dany_> well i cannopt get zarafa an a joomla website to play nice on an OpenVZ container
[11:32] <dany_> so thats why i am trying this way
[11:33] <RoyK> ok - never tried openvz
[11:33] <jkakar> Previously, we were using start-stop-daemon, but I've removed it (because I made some changes and it was causing problems), so Upstart is starting the service directly now.
[11:33] <jkakar> I notice that the Debian guidelines recommend start-stop-daemon, but is this the recommendation for Ubuntu+Upstart?
[11:33] <RoyK> jkakar: both work
[11:34] <jkakar> RoyK: I guess they're kind of equivalent.
[11:34] <RoyK> just different ways to do things
[11:34] <jkakar> In this case my application is Twisted based and started by twistd.  I guess the reason to use start-stop-daemon would because (apparently) twistd's ability to switch to the right user can be dodgy.
[11:35] <RoyK> but - anyone that knows what might cause this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/603635/
[11:38] <soren> jkakar: start-stop-daemon is used to daemonise things that aren't very good at daemonising on their own. upstart is a proper process supervisor. You don't need start-stop-daemon with upstart.
[11:39] <jkakar> soren: Cool, that's my impression.
[11:39] <jkakar> I just need to test my application to make sure it switches users properly.
[11:40] <soren> jkakar: If not, I use su to do that in upstart.
[11:40] <soren> e.g.:
[11:40] <soren> exec su -c "nova-api --flagfile=/etc/nova/nova.conf" nova
[11:41] <jkakar> soren: Ah, interesting.
[11:41] <jkakar> soren: Thanks for the advice.  It helps. :)
[11:41] <soren> jkakar: It's not pretty, but until upstart learns how to do this natively, that seems to be the common pattern.
[11:41]  * soren wanders off for lunch
[11:41] <soren> jkakar: np
[11:55] <tim_s> I'm using ubuntu on ec2, one of my instances has stopped being able to connect to the apt repo.. anyone had this before?
[11:55] <tim_s> actually it can't even connect to google
[11:56] <jkakar> tim_s: Have you done something to the security group the instance is in that could cause such breakage?
[11:57] <tim_s> I can however see pages from it's apache server from my laptop.
[11:57] <tim_s> jkakar, not that I know of.
[11:58] <tim_s> jkakar: we haven't
[11:59] <jkakar> tim_s: Hrm, I'm not sure what to suggest then. :/
[12:00] <jkakar> tim_s: I've seen my EC2 instances (in eu-west-1) occasionally lose connectivity to the archive, but never to the internet in general.
[12:00] <jkakar> tim_s: Maybe something b0rked DNS on that machine?
[12:00] <tim_s> sounds like dns
[12:00] <tim_s> it can ping things
[12:00] <tim_s> oh I can ping google.com
[12:16] <hw> can anyone help me with updating apache and mysql on a 10.04.2 box? I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but it doesnt pick up the newer version
[12:17] <hw> apache 2.2.14 is the latest it has, and that apparently has some security issues that are causing it to fail a PCI scan
[12:32] <JanC> doh, now hw is gone...
[12:36] <RoyK> apache failing to do a PCI scan...
[12:36] <RoyK> oh well
[12:39] <JanC> RoyK: "Payment Card Industry" scan; you know "security experts" certified by credit card companies who are too stupid/lazy to test for actual vulnerabilities but just compare version numbers instead...  ;)
[12:45] <_johnny> hey, i use pubkey for my login to a box i have. now i'm adding another user (but still me who will use it), and i've added the same pubkey (from my computer obviously) to that users .ssh/authorized_keys. however, i'm thrown to password being the only allowed method http://pastebin.com/x3L6s8Uq
[12:46] <_johnny> can anyone help me debug this?
[12:48] <_johnny> there are no different rules from sshd to this new user. and the old user works fine with pubkey.
[12:48] <_ruben> _johnny: check the logs of the ssh daemon, and verify the permissions/ownership of the keys
[12:49] <_johnny> ownership might be wrong, good point
[12:54] <webwurst> Hi! I did a fresh installation of Ubuntu Server Natty, choosed btrfs for '/' and wanted grub to reside in /dev/sda
[12:55] <_johnny> _ruben: should i set it to verbose first? auth.log just tells me the pw is wrong (no mention of the pubkey attempts)
[12:55] <webwurst> installation finished, but booting does not work. i can chroot into the natty-server via live-usb
[12:56] <_johnny> _ruben: turns out my screen isn't found (although it exists). thanks for the help :)
[12:56] <webwurst> and now "# grub-install /dev/sda" gives me:
[12:56] <webwurst> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)
[12:57] <webwurst> dev is mounted and i can see /boot/grub .. Any idea someone? ;)
[13:03] <_johnny> _ruben: oh no. now it's even harder to debug :( http://pastebin.com/6WYHpEVp i just get failed, and client mentions no reason for failure either
[13:10] <_johnny> ok, the bad perms might be due to encrypted homedir. my bad
[13:17] <_ruben> encrypted homedirs and key auth aren't best friends, you'll need to store you key in both your encrypted and unencrypted homedir
[13:24] <JanC> webwurst: is the live usb also natty?
[13:25] <webwurst> JanC: yes
[13:26] <JanC> well, I guess it doesn't really matter when you chroot into the server
[13:26] <JanC> I think btrfs.mod is rather new though
[13:27] <webwurst> JanC: boot is a directory. would it maybe help to make it subvolume and put it indo /etc/fstab? is grub-installer searching for something like that?
[13:28] <JanC> grub installer should work either way
[13:28] <webwurst> ok
[13:29] <JanC> webwurst: /dev is mounted in the chroot too?
[13:30] <webwurst> yes: i mounted proc, dev, sys with --bind
[13:33] <webwurst> JanC: grub-installer fails at this line:
[13:33] <webwurst> /usr/sbin/grub-probe --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --target=device /boot/grub
[13:35] <webwurst> JanC: ..and there ist no device.map in /boot/grub/
[13:42] <webwurst> JanC: ist --target=device right in this case?
[13:50] <JanC> webwurst: eh, I guess not
[13:51] <webwurst> JanC: changed it to "fs" but same error ("cannot find a device for /boot/grub")
[14:07] <Aison> where can I find mac-fdisk for ubuntu?
[14:08] <pmatulis> Aison: is it packaged?
[14:09] <Aison> no idea, maybe I can also get the sources somewhere
[14:09] <Aison> I need to fix a mac partition table on an external drive
[14:09] <pmatulis> Aison: i cannot find such a command anyway
[14:12] <Aison> pmatulis, maybe there are other tools to manipulate hfs partitions with linux, no idea
[14:31] <Egonis> Recently, I had an attack on my wordpress site, which relayed over 160,000 e-mails through www-data using a PHP form. Is there a way to specify that www-data@mydomain.tld can only send to mydomain.tld? Any suggestions otherwise? Any help is greatly appreciated.
[14:45] <rafalk42> ok, so in fact you CAN dist-upgrade directly from 09.04 to 11.04 ... altough with a few issues
[14:48] <Pici> rafalk42: Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
[14:52] <rafalk42> yeah, but I didn't knew about that before i started
[14:55] <hw> hey
[14:55] <rafalk42> hi
[14:56] <hw> anyone have any ideas on this one? I have a U 10.04.2 box that needs apache and mysql updated... when I run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade it doesnt pick up the newer versions
[14:56] <hw> it has apache 2.2.14, and the latest is 2.2.16
[14:56] <hw> any ideas? this one is kicking my butt :-(
[14:57] <hw> I see I could go to 10.10, but this has 10.04.2 LTS, not sure if I can upgrade... looking at this for a friend
[14:58] <Pici> 2.2.14-5ubuntu8.4 is the latest version in 10.04.
[14:58] <hw> so, when will this get updated? 2.2.14 has some security holes that make it fail a PCI scan
[14:59] <hw> or is really my only option to install 10.10?
[14:59] <hw> 10.10 I saw has apache 2.2.16
[15:03] <pmatulis> is there anything that would limit the number of concurrent SSH connections to a Lucid server?  (besides h/w resources)
[15:05] <Pumpkin-> the maximum number of PTY's (assuming the SSH connections have PTY's) is one thing.
[15:05] <Pumpkin-> think the default is 4096
[15:06] <pmatulis> i'm seeing disconnections after about 80
[15:06] <genii-around> The default number per connection I think is like 10
[15:07] <Defusal> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me why aptitude would tell me the following, or how i can get it to install mplayer on ubuntu server? http://pastie.org/1868062
[15:07] <pmatulis> genii-around: default number per connection?  isn't each session a separate connection (unless using multiplexing)
[15:11] <_johnny> how come update-motd doesn't have a /usr/sbin executable anymore?
[15:12] <_johnny> i mean, sure, in the long run anyone can wait 10 mins, but if you were to debug/edit, then waiting 10 mins for each change could get boring ;)
[15:17] <ScottK> hw: No, actually it doesn't have security holes.  What's happening is some brain dead security tool is looking at version numbers and not checking for actual vulnerabilities.  Ubuntu backports security patches.
[15:17] <genii-around> pmatulis: From manpage: " MaxSessions - Specifies the maximum number of open sessions permitted per network connection.  The default is 10."
[15:17] <genii-around> ( sshd_config )
[15:17] <hw> ScottK Yea, basically the issue is securitymetrics did a quarterly PCI scan, and that failed.
[15:18] <hw> Is there documentation of that somewhere? I can throw that back at securitymetrics
[15:18] <JanC> hw: the changelog and the cve tracker?
[15:19] <kees> hw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Versions
[15:19] <ScottK> hw: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.2.14-5ubuntu8.4/changelog
[15:20] <patdk-wk> on this note, anyone see that postfix security question, allowing the use of EHLO is a security issue, according to some scanners :)
[15:20] <ScottK> I did.
[15:20] <hw> kees: ScottK: thank you!! let me review what the tool reported
[15:20] <ScottK> Clearly I'm not leveraging other people's ignorance nearly hard enough.
[15:20] <kees> use of EHLO is not a security issue. :P
[15:20] <patdk-wk> these whole security scan things seem so silly, the more I see people use them
[15:20] <ScottK> kees: It was on postfix-users.
[15:21] <hw> yea, I agree. I've had to call the security scan providers a few times to get them to remove bogus stuff
[15:22] <hw> usually they do it without any issue, as long as you are technical enough
[15:22] <patdk-wk> now that, make me even more scared :)
[15:22] <patdk-wk> your paying them to be technical enough to do the scan
[15:22] <patdk-wk> not for you to tell them how to scan
[15:22] <kees> indeed.
[15:23] <patdk-wk> if your a 3rd party in this, then ya, I can understand :( (customer hired x to scan their hosting stuff on your equipment)
[15:23] <JanC> patdk-wk: you pay them to get some stupid worthless piece of paper that some financial company requires, I guess
[15:24] <patdk-wk> janc, pretty much :(
[15:24] <JanC> nice way to create new jobs for the economy  :P
[15:24] <hw> heh
[15:24] <patdk-wk> it's what burocrates are good at
[15:25] <hw> ok, the PCI scan says CVE-2010-1452 and CVE-2010-0425 are the issue.. the changelog says CVE-2010-1452 was fixed, but the other one is not on there
[15:27] <patdk-wk> hw, CVE-2010-0425 is an IIS issue, not linux :)
[15:27] <patdk-wk> so no, it won't be *fixed*
[15:28] <JanC> not an IIS issue, but in Apache's compatibility for IIS plugins or something like that
[15:28] <JanC> in any case, it's Windows-only
[15:28] <JanC> and shows how stupid that scan is  :P
[15:28] <pmatulis> genii-around: interesting, thx
[15:29] <genii-around> pmatulis: np
[15:29]  * patdk-wk never realized you could run apache as an iis isapi
[15:29]  * patdk-wk doesn't think he would ever want too
[15:29] <JanC> patdk-wk: I think it's the other way around, you can run ISAPI plugins on Apache  ;)
[15:30] <patdk-wk> oh?
[15:30] <patdk-wk> guess for .asp and .net stuff then
[15:30] <JanC> maybe
[15:30] <patdk-wk> shows you how much I run apache on windows :)
[15:41] <hw> patdk-wk: LOL I just read that a bit closer. Too Funny. Gotta love the security scan protecting this server from the dangers of Windows
[15:43] <JanC> hw: tell them you didn't put "Wine" on your server, see if they understand   ;)
[15:43] <hw> lol
[15:50] <patdk-wk> damn server is drunk again :(
[15:52] <_ruben> patdk-wk: using alcohol instead of watercooling? :)
[15:53] <patdk-wk> for *freeze* protection :)
[15:53] <_ruben> heh, hadnt thought of that one ;)
[15:54]  * patdk-wk would also assume alcohol fumes would smell nicer :)
[15:56] <_ruben> assuming you'd be concious still ;)
[16:04] <hw> Hey, thanks everyone for your help! I really appreciate it. I checked all of the "security issues" on the PCI scan, and they were patched a long time ago.
[16:05] <hw> For some reason, securitymetrics.com started failing these versions in the last few months
[16:06] <hw> going to call them today to get this fixed, I'm armed with the changelogs :-D
[16:07]  * patdk-wk hands hw a larger bat
[16:07] <hw> seriously
[16:07] <hw> what was that comment about helping the economy?
[16:07] <hw> lol
[16:12] <JanC> helping the economy is when you pay somebody to go over there with a bat  ;)
[16:12] <robo> hi: if i add a mount to /etc/fstab and it's options are .... nfs ro 0 1 -- the mount doesn't get added at boot. Any suggestions?
[16:14] <oCean> robo: the mount options should be separtated by comma nfs,ro -not sure if that's your entire issue though. You don't have to reboot to test. Just run 'sudo mount -t nfs -a'
[16:14] <oCean> *separated
[16:15] <JanC> eh, nfs is not an option but the fs type  ;)
[16:16] <oCean> oh right :)
[16:16] <oCean> heh
[16:19] <robo> oCean, mount -t nfs -a mounts it
[16:19] <robo> just not after a reboot.
[16:32] <robo> so the console is showing errors about how mountall failed. Before I get into why I'm trying to figure out how I get that same error when I'm ssh'd in to the machine
[16:32] <robo> I would think dmesg would have that, but it doesn't
[16:32] <SpamapS> robo: dmesg only has kernel messages (for now)
[16:32] <SpamapS> robo: you want /var/log/boot.log
[16:33] <robo> ah, ty
[16:33] <robo> oh, that doesn't exist
[16:33] <robo> (ubuntu 9.10)
[16:34] <robo> there is a /var/log/boot that only has "(Nothing has been logged yet.)"
[16:34] <dany> I have configured my virtual host like this but my subdomain mail.domain.TLD will only refer to my website and not the webmail as you can see in the config > <VirtualHost WAN IP>
[16:34] <dany> ServerName mail.domain.TLD
[16:34] <dany> DocumentRoot /usr/share/zarafa-webaccess
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[16:34] <dany>  
[16:35] <dany> Am i just being a complete noob or is something else a problem
[16:35] <djbello> can somebody assist me with debugging an email issue with postfix?
[16:37] <djbello> i have a user running Apple Mail on a Mac. He quite often receives emails that don't show the attachments but some email source code instead (looks like attachment boundaries).
[16:37] <djbello> I am trying to figure out if his Mac is butchering the email (or doesn't display it right)
[16:37] <djbello> or if the email is somewhat malformed
[16:39] <djbello> darnit. Just got pulled away by my boss. Need to bring this up later.
[16:39] <djbello> Bye
[16:42] <robo> is there a way to show what programs are going to start at which runlevels? A centos chkconfig --list equivalent is what I'm searching for
[16:44] <patdk-wk> there are no runlevels :)
[16:44] <robo> ?
[16:44] <robo> patdk-lap, that's something that confuses me too that I need to look into. It shows I'm in runlevel 2 -- that's strange to me
[16:45] <Calif> Hi, I'm attempting to run dhcpd - I'm running it and getting the following error: http://pastebin.com/TRp4TiQC
[16:45] <patdk-wk> ubuntu only has runlevels to keep compatability with old stuff
[16:45] <patdk-wk> but it doesn't *use them*
[16:45] <patdk-wk> the same with almost every distro now
[16:45] <Calif> RIP run levels :/
[16:46] <robo> hmm
[16:46] <robo> so how do I know if my server is booted into a gui?
[16:47] <robo> normally if I see runlevel 3 I know I'm all text. Runlevel 5 I know I have X booted
[16:47] <patdk-wk> heh, a server with a gui is just pure evil :)
[16:48] <robo> i know. That's why I'd like to figure out if a gui is running
[16:48] <robo> i just inherited these servers and I know next to nothing about ubuntu :-/
[16:48] <patdk-wk> service gdm status?
[16:49] <robo> says un-recognized. Good thing!
[16:49] <patdk-wk> heh?
[16:49] <patdk-wk> what is un-recognized?
[16:49] <Defusal> Hi everyone, can anyone tell me why aptitude would tell me the following, or how i can get it to install mplayer on ubuntu server? http://pastie.org/1868062
[16:49] <robo> gdm: unrecognized service
[16:50] <patdk-wk> ah, not installed
[16:50] <robo> so it's not running, which is good :-)
[16:50] <robo> So, if ubuntu doesn't use runlevels how do I know which scripts are executed at boot?
[16:51] <Pici> Defusal: What release of Ubuntu is that?
[16:51] <Defusal> 10.04
[16:51] <robo> i guess if runlevel shows i'm in runlevel 2 then I look in /etc/rc2.d ?
[16:51] <patdk-wk> heh, I'm lazy to figure it out :) 'grep ^start /etc/init/*'
[16:54] <Pici> Defusal: Can you pastebin the output of: apt-cache policy mplayer  ?
[16:54] <robo> man patdk-wk, ubuntu is so confusing
[16:54] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't think so :)
[16:55] <robo> i need to learn it
[16:55] <patdk-wk> I ran slackware for decades
[16:55] <patdk-wk> hated centos/redhat
[16:55] <robo> is ubuntu-server and debian pretty much the same?
[16:55] <Defusal> Pici: http://pastebin.com/4vZVcRQ0
[16:56] <ScottK> Defusal: You aren't trying to install the 10.04 version of mplayer.
[16:56] <Defusal> is it because it didnt remove the debian-multimedia source yet?
[16:57] <ScottK> You need to remove that.
[16:57] <ScottK> From /etc/apt/sources/list or list.d
[16:57] <Defusal> ah, thanks, my bad :)
[16:57] <Defusal> needed some packages and forgot to remove it earlier
[16:59] <dany> Does anyone know if Can i change the default url froom /webaccess to mail.domain.TLD ?
[16:59] <ScottK> robo: In many ways.   Ubuntu Server will generally have newer packages than the most recently Debian release.  Ubuntu uses apparmor by default instead of selinux.  Ubuntu has also implemented a number of security features that aren't in Debian yet:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
[16:59] <dany> in zarafa
[16:59] <iggi> Anyone able to help me make a murmur upstart job? I run mine and it says murmur starts, but infact does not. This is the line I am using "exec /home/user/murmur/murmur.x86"
[16:59] <zul> SpamapS: ping upstart question for you
[17:13] <SpamapS> zul: sure in a bit
[18:00] <hallyn> kirkland: around?
[18:03] <Xpistos> Hello. When I log in to my server it says there are 50+ updateds but when I try to upgrade or dist-upgrade it says there are no updates?
[18:10] <robo> hi: I'm getting this error on boot: mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking
[18:10] <robo> any suggestions on why this is happening?
[18:10] <RoyK> start portmap
[18:11] <RoyK> or even - enable it
[18:11] <robo> I see rpc.statd running
[18:11] <robo> service portmap status shows portmap start/running, process 898
[18:11] <RoyK> perhaps portmap is started after the nfs mounts?
[18:11] <robo> yeah, seems that way RoyK
[18:11] <robo> any suggestions on how to figure this out?
[18:12] <RoyK> which version are you on?
[18:12] <robo> 9.10
[18:12] <RoyK> that's not supported anymore
[18:12] <robo> i know :-/
[18:12] <RoyK> I'd upgrade to 10.04LTS
[18:12] <robo> guess as of last week
[18:12] <robo> that's where I was trying to decide if 11.04 or 10.04LTS
[18:12] <RoyK> there are far more users on LTS releases, so bugs are found and fixed quicker
[18:13] <robo> oh? Nice to know
[18:13] <RoyK> if it's just a server, I'd suggest 10.04LTS
[18:13] <robo> cool; ty for the suggestion
[18:13]  * RoyK has 20ish 10.04 servers running
[18:13] <robo> nice!
[18:13] <robo> i have closer to 50 servers that will soon be ubuntu
[18:13] <RoyK> :)
[18:14] <robo> a bunch of solaris, ubuntu and centos right now
[18:14] <Pici> I use the latest Ubuntu release on all my personal computers (including my VPS), but for work stuff I stick with 10.04
[18:14] <robo> I prob have around 15-20 ubuntu but they are all running 9.10
[18:14] <RoyK> robo: we still stick with solaris^WOpenIndiana for storage
[18:14] <RoyK> ZFS FTW!
[18:14] <robo> We use Netapp here
[18:14] <RoyK> heh - that costs a bit more ;)
[18:14] <robo> yes, yes it does
[18:15] <Xpistos> I found the answer. motd not updateing so I deleted /etc/motd.tail - problem solved
[18:15] <RoyK> cost us some EUR 20k per 100TB box with supermicro hardware and openindiana on the top
[18:15] <robo> I just inherited all these ubuntu servers. I don't have a clue what i'm doing
[18:15] <RoyK> 100TB _net_ storage after a load of redundancy
[18:15] <robo> load of redundancy? Is that data de-duplication?
[18:16] <RoyK> no dedup - that's not really stable yet
[18:16] <robo> gotcha
[18:16] <RoyK> but redundancy as of small RAIDz2 VDEVs
[18:16] <robo> oh, right
[18:17] <RoyK> and with SSDs for caching, the boxes can sustain 10Gbps throughput, which is rather neat for a machine at that price
[18:18] <RoyK> s/a machine/machines/
[18:19] <robo> so RoyK, any ideas how i can get portmapper to start before nfs?
[18:20] <robo> i'm not really sure how to adjust this type of thing in ubuntu. I don't think it's as easy as editing files in /etc/rcx.d
[18:20] <RoyK> robo: upgrade to 10.04 first - it might be fixed there, and it'll give you updates
[18:20] <robo> so you think it's just a bug?
[18:20] <RoyK> robo: ubuntu uses upstart for most stuff
[18:21] <RoyK> robo: yes
[18:21] <robo> upstart, let me look into that
[18:21] <RoyK> robo: it won't take too long to upgrade, though
[18:21] <robo> is there a recommended way?
[18:21] <RoyK> do-release-upgrade
[18:21] <robo> i was thinking I'd have to build a fresh O/S and move everything over
[18:21] <robo> oh, nice
[18:21] <RoyK> upgrading is trivial
[18:22] <JanC> just check the release notes etc.
[18:22] <robo> nice! :-)
[18:22] <JanC> and maybe try first with the least important one  ;)
[18:23] <patdk-wk> janc that is defently not any fun
[18:23] <RoyK> patdk-wk: why?
[18:24] <robo> there is nothing fun. We use vmware
[18:24] <patdk-wk> to test it? before attempting it on production? :)
[18:24] <robo> So snapshot -> upgrade :-D
[18:24] <RoyK> yeah :)
[18:24] <RoyK> patdk-wk: coward!
[18:24] <JanC> if you have vmware you can probably just test on a copy too...
[18:25] <patdk-wk> ya, I'll clone, then test
[18:25] <patdk-wk> but only if I feel something will break
[18:25] <patdk-wk> and my guts don't work most of the time :)
[18:25] <RoyK> patdk-wk: for most servers, an upgrade won't even need a clone, so long as you have a snapshot
[18:26] <patdk-wk> well, it depends on how you test
[18:26] <patdk-wk> I'll play with it for a week or so
[18:26] <RoyK> depends more of what sort sort of server
[18:27] <robo> all our servers are N+1. So I snapshot it and pull it out of the F5 pool for testing
[18:27] <patdk-wk> so formal :)
[18:27] <RoyK> robo: where do you work?
[18:28] <robo> in the US for a medium sized corporation
[18:28] <RoyK> how specific ;)
[18:28] <robo> we have cool toys here
[18:28] <robo> :-D
[18:29] <robo> F5, Netapp, getting some EMC storage
[18:29] <robo> vmware
[18:30] <RoyK> what's F5?
[18:30] <patdk-wk> firewall/loadbalaner company
[18:31]  * RoyK has some rather nice toys as well - just setup this new 2U box with four servers, each with a dual 12-core opteron and 64GB RAM
[18:31] <patdk-wk> mine are the other way around
[18:31] <RoyK> s/a dual/dual/
[18:31] <patdk-wk> dual quadcore 5630's with 192gb ram
[18:31] <patdk-wk> and still keep running out of ram :(
[18:32] <RoyK> patdk-wk: virtualisation?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> yep
[18:32] <patdk-wk> never really overload the cpu's ever
[18:32] <RoyK> what hypervisor?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> esxi
[18:32] <RoyK> ok
[18:32] <RoyK> mine are just compute nodes
[18:33] <patdk-wk> this is 50+ win2003/8 machines :(
[18:33] <robo> I'd quit :-)
[18:33] <patdk-wk> have two other clusters that are almost all ubuntu
[18:33] <RoyK> setting up mpich2 on them these days...
[18:33] <RoyK> dosen't ESXi support memory overcommit?
[18:33] <patdk-wk> royk, yep
[18:34] <patdk-wk> and memory dedup
[18:34] <robo> and does it nicely too
[18:34] <RoyK> for some stupid reason (price, that was, we're an institute, and get rather good prices from MS), my boss chose hyper-v over vmware
[18:34] <patdk-wk> but when each vm is running 4-8gigs of ram
[18:34] <RoyK> hyper-v is not for the faint-hearted
[18:35] <patdk-wk> oh, I setup hyperv once, cause well, we had win2008 lic
[18:35] <patdk-wk> the application failed to work properly in a win2003 hyperv guest
[18:35] <patdk-wk> really strange issue
[18:35] <patdk-wk> it was a webserver
[18:35] <RoyK> excessive network traffic seems to bring down the VMs on hyper-v
[18:35] <patdk-wk> ya :)
[18:36] <RoyK> there's a hotfix available now, though - the MS guys installed that on one of the nodes today
[18:36] <patdk-wk> the hyperv guest would get the http headers, and send a reply, but the reply would never make it to the network wire
[18:36] <patdk-wk> I dumped hyperv after that
[18:36] <RoyK> hehe
[18:36] <patdk-wk> between that and lack of memory overcommit
[18:37] <patdk-wk> my san just arrived at my house last week, haven't had any time to set it up though :(
[18:37] <RoyK> I don't get why MS hasn't figured out memory overcommit
[18:37]  * patdk-wk starts playing with 8gb fc at home :)
[18:37] <RoyK> patdk-wk: probably useful in the winter, if you live in a place where it gets cold :P
[18:38] <patdk-wk> hehe
[18:38] <patdk-wk> I already hack a shelf of servers that are all poe
[18:38] <patdk-wk> thinking about converting them all to san boot, diskless poe test machines
[18:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, not poe, but wol
[18:40] <adam_g> \
[18:42] <RoyK> wol?
[18:42] <Pici> Wake On Lan
[18:42] <RoyK> k
[18:43] <RoyK> but poe can't really drive a PC, can it?
[18:43] <JanC> maybe if it's an ARM blade, but AFAIK those are not available yet  ;)
[18:44] <RoyK> 25.5w for a PC seems a little low
[18:44] <JanC> RoyK: depends on what "PC"
[18:44] <RoyK> for an ARM or Atom, perhaps
[18:44] <JanC> there are x86 SoCs that run at 1 W (GPU included)
[18:45] <RoyK> SoCs?
[18:45] <JanC> but I doubt those are used a lot in servers, outside of small home servers
[18:45] <JanC> SoC = System-On-a-Chip
[18:46] <JanC> basically most of your motherboard integrated in 1 chip, like they also use in smartphones etc.
[18:46] <RoyK> ah - ok - but I don't think those will be much fun if you try to start a 3D game on them
[18:46] <JanC> well, old 3D games should be possible  ;)
[18:47] <JanC> and the x86 SoCs I know have much worse 3D GPU than high-end ARM SoCs
[18:48]  * RoyK likes ARM
[18:48] <RoyK> this guruplug is rather neat
[18:48] <JanC> RoyK: you can play Full HD video on some ARM SoCs nowadays
[18:48] <RoyK> I know
[18:49] <RoyK> HTC Desire HD with HDMI output....
[18:49]  * RoyK goes to find his old C128
[18:49] <JanC> or a PandaBoard  ;)
[18:49] <JanC> but there is a company working on 4-core & more ARM SoCs for blade servers AFAIK
[18:50] <RoyK> aren't ARMs rather slow on FP?
[18:50] <JanC> I guess that depends
[18:51] <RoyK> also, even if you can pack them more densely than, say, Opterons, there's still a cost of splitting jobs into smaller and smaller pieces
[18:53] <JanC> ARM just defines the main CPU architecture, and in recent designs they have some SSE-like instructions, but you could probably use specialised co-processors if you need heavy FP (similar to the DSP they use to decode video)
[18:53] <JanC> RoyK: that depends on the type of job of course
[18:53] <RoyK> met stuff
[18:53] <RoyK> windfield simulations etc
[18:54] <JanC> your users probably know best how well they can parallellize that  ;)
[18:54] <patdk-wk> royk, I didn't mean poe, I meant to say wol instead, keep the rack of computers off, unless I need them :)
[18:54] <RoyK> :)
[18:55] <patdk-wk> but the ones I'm using are 2.6ghz p4's, and use about 46watts
[18:55] <JanC> except on boot, I guess?  :P
[18:55] <patdk-wk> why?
[18:55] <patdk-wk> no harddrives :)
[18:55] <patdk-wk> shouldn't use *that* much more on boot, I think the psu on them is 90watts
[18:57] <JanC> then you are wasting a lot probably
[18:57] <RoyK> wasting what?
[18:58] <JanC> 90 W PSU's (and certainly older ones) probably aren't very efficient at 45 W
[18:59] <patdk-wk> well, lets say it this way
[18:59] <RoyK> IIRC most PSUs are most efficient at about 50% load
[18:59] <patdk-wk> I dunno how much power the computer is using
[18:59] <patdk-wk> the PSU draws 45 watts :)
[18:59] <RoyK> or was that 30%?
[19:00] <patdk-wk> my watt meter on the 120v line going to the psu says 45watts :)
[19:01] <patdk-wk> how strange of me also, my workstation runs on 230v, but I haven't ran a 230v line to the *rack*
[19:02] <RoyK> most PSUs today take anything from 100 to 250V
[19:02] <patdk-wk> yep
[19:02] <patdk-wk> I have always found 120v power annoying, and neutral wires even more annoying
[19:03]  * RoyK just read about the .jp power grids - there are two of them! 50Hz and 60Hz
[19:03] <patdk-wk> oh? are they converting to 50hz?
[19:04] <patdk-wk> japan has always been a strange mix of usa and eu standards
[19:04] <RoyK> the north runs on 50Hz, where the south runs on 60Hz
[19:04] <RoyK> both on 110V, though
[19:05] <RoyK> I don't see the point of running 110V systems when 380/400V systems are so much flexible
[19:07] <patdk-wk> I don't see the point of 110v since a neutral is a waste of a power wire
[19:25] <aBs0lut30> hey guys, anybody had any luck getting any of the newer(SCST,LIO) iscsi targets working??
[19:25] <aBs0lut30> on natty that is...
[19:26] <aBs0lut30> I can get SCST running but as soon as I attach vmware to a lun it wigs out... lio, well I cannot even come close to making that one work
[19:28] <Calif> Hi, I'm trying to get dhcpd running. I am getting a permissions error when attempting to create the pid file. See: http://pastebin.com/TRp4TiQC
[19:28] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, how about a Linux client? does it react the same way?
[19:28] <Calif> I have done a chmmod 777 /var/run
[19:28] <Calif> removed the old pid file
[19:28] <Calif> and i still get the permission error when I run dhcpd
[19:29] <aBs0lut30> ppetraki: havent tried a linux client, but the win7 client seems to work just fine...
[19:29] <patdk-wk> well. lio is new, I don't believe it's suppost to be that *stable* till kernel 2.6.42
[19:29] <aBs0lut30> ppetraki: and I should clarify, I can connect vmware to the target, but as soon as I try and format a lun to VMFS it just hangs the server
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, so LUN discovery, with any transport, is usually free of block level access
[19:30] <aBs0lut30> am a bit curious as to why IETD is still the "default" iscsi package at this point... its a complete POS... IMHO
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, e.g. connecting and writing to it are two separate things
[19:30] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, the win7 client, can you perform IO?
[19:31] <aBs0lut30> not much, but I partitioned and formated a lun with no problems
[19:32] <aBs0lut30> on the vm side, I do see a TON of command aborts once it tries to start writing to the lun
[19:32] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, well, that's sufficient, a handful of reads and writes
[19:32] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, so that tells me the Linux iSCSI server side of things isn't disfunctional
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> yeah its really odd...
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> ohh, there is one more thing... let me pastebin this real quick...
[19:33] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I was just about to ask for logs :)
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> http://pastebin.com/4Xszaxs5
[19:33] <aBs0lut30> that is a fault I saw pop up once...
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> let me grab some of the regular logs and throw out there as well...
[19:34] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, oh, vmware running on Linux, I automatically thought ESX :-p
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> well it is ESX
[19:34] <aBs0lut30> that fault is from the SCST side
[19:35] <ppetraki> yeah, that looks real
[19:35] <aBs0lut30> http://pastebin.com/cLrBkbB2 there is a snap of the dmesg output from SCST after I connect to the lun
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, task wakes up to process a command and looks like it dies doing some refcount housekeeping
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, bug it
[19:36] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, sorry :(
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> me too :( stuck with the crappy IETD I guess... which sucks cause ESX is killing it like once a day...
[19:37] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, IETD? what's that?
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> the old iscsi enterprise target...
[19:37] <aBs0lut30> aka the iscsitarget package
[19:38] <patdk-wk> I have only started playing with scst last week
[19:39] <patdk-wk> plan on doing a lot of it soon, but didn't plan on much iscsi with it, mainly going use it for fc lun's
[19:39] <aBs0lut30> if I could get it to work, SCST looks pretty easy to use...
[19:40] <aBs0lut30> and from what I read/hear it works pretty well too...
[19:45] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I know lots of about SCSI, haven't really had the opportunity to play with iSCSI yet though
[19:46] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, I can tell you though, that emulating a SCSI target is one of the most difficult things you can attempt in storage
[19:46] <aBs0lut30> heh, and I am pretty much the other side of that coin...
[19:46] <aBs0lut30> yeah... I can tell, hah
[19:47] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, this doesn't sound like a terrible bug, I'm surprised we didn't catch this in regression testing
[19:47] <patdk-wk> oh? scst is included in natty?
[19:47] <aBs0lut30> well, wouldnt be supprised to find out its something strange in my setup that is causing it...
[19:47] <aBs0lut30> patdk: not really...
[19:48] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, if your clients obey the SCSI spec well enough, which I expect as much from VMware, then it's likely the target emulator screwed up somewhere in the translation
[19:50] <aBs0lut30> based on what I am seeing that would sound about right... would love to know what the win7 client is doing that lets it work...
[19:50] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, that lets the win7 client run up until this point :). put some stress on that with iometer and I think you'll come to the same conclusion
[19:50] <aBs0lut30> plus I had to jump through a number of hoops to get SCST to build/load... and one of the patches for the 2.6.38 kernel wont apply correctly... so there is no telling
[19:51] <ppetraki> aBs0lut30, ooooh, now I get it :)
[19:51] <aBs0lut30> yeah, forgot about that patch not going on until just now...
[20:15] <SpamapS> adam_g: <impression voice="korn">ARE YOU READY?</impression>
[20:48] <hallyn> SpamapS: regarding bug 280421, did you push my proposed package already?
[20:50] <SpamapS> hallyn: no I didn't see it in the queue. I suppose I can sponsor and then approve.. ;)
[20:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: no, no
[20:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: it's no good, pls reject
[20:52] <SpamapS> hallyn: there's nothing to reject
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[20:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: new one comin' atcha
[20:58] <hallyn> SpamapS: oh, right, that's right.  you must have not seen my other irc msg.  I couldn't push, no perms.
[20:58] <SpamapS> hallyn: hurry I want to go eat lunch. :)
[20:59] <hallyn> well you can do this after lunch if you like
[21:00] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/ethtool-src.tar.gz
[21:00] <hallyn> has the src pkg
[21:00] <SpamapS> a debdiff is fine
[21:00] <hallyn> http://people.canonical.com/~serge/debdiff
[21:01] <SpamapS> alright, will review later.. might be a while. :-/
[21:02] <robo> hi: so I installed ubuntu but didn't have a network interface setup in vmware. It's now there but after I reboot it doesn't look like ubuntu detects it (dmesg |grep eth shows nothing and no eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces.) Is there a way to get ubuntu to detect the nic? lspci does show the vmware vmxnet3 ethernet controller
[21:03] <hallyn> SpamapS: np, i consider myself done, if you dont' like how i did the changelog pls just hack it right in the debdiff since the two of us seem to have horrible communications latency :)
[21:18] <Andre_Gondim> to use webmin I need to unlock root? if not what is the default user/passwd after instalation?
[21:27] <guntbert> !webmin | Andre_Gondim
[21:27] <Andre_Gondim> thanks
[21:39] <WilliamHuffleswo> lol i put debian server on my old ubuntu server box to try it out and the load is so much less
[21:40] <patdk-lap> load?
[21:40] <WilliamHuffleswo> it's 0.01 now but with ubuntu server it was always around 0.80
[21:40] <WilliamHuffleswo> confused :p
[21:40] <patdk-lap> load means nothing :)
[21:40] <patdk-lap> what was running?
[21:41] <patdk-lap> using all the cpu time?
[21:42] <WilliamHuffleswo> I just had a clean install and it never seemed to work very well, but debian is much better
[21:42] <WilliamHuffleswo> does ubuntu put extra stuff on it that you don't really need?
[21:42] <ScottK> The default install is similar for servers
[21:42] <elliot_just_for_> :)
[21:42] <JanC> if you have a load of 0.8 on an idle system, you should investigate what's wrong...
[21:43] <WilliamHuffleswo> it's weird though it only did that with ubuntu
[21:43] <WilliamHuffleswo> idle with debian is from 0.00 to 0.01
[21:43] <ScottK> Some of the security features (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features ) do cause some marginal CPU usage increase, but nothing like that.
[22:31] <robo> does ubuntu use /etc/resolv.conf? I don't see it
[22:32] <robo> oh, looks like i have to manually create it. All because i didn't have a ethernet card added