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ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Bell] Speak to me! - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/05/speak-to-me/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=speak-to-me01:19
Azelphurwhy does http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu say "built-in virus protection" ? XD01:44
Azelphurwhat built in virus protection does Ubuntu have/need?01:44
stgraberAlanBell: around?02:04
HazRPGAzelphur: Its just marketing, if your looking for an alternative operating system... then your clearly either a Mac or Windows user wanting to run away from viruses... it's a play on words, if they say "Built-in virus protection" what they really mean is that the security is tighter on a Linux/Ubuntu system... so having troubles with viruses is reduced down to a minimal (viruses do still exist for Linux/Unix just not as many!)04:46
HazRPGyou've gotta remember, viruses do still exist, and well if you install Wine... your still susceptible to viruses - however nothing is ever given "execute" permissions by default04:48
HazRPGyou could argue Wine is technically sandboxed... but well I've noticed that a default Install of Wine gives wine permissions to folders such as the music/documents/videos folders04:49
HazRPGso if you have things in those folders, and you open up a virus... technically the information on those files could become corrupted or worse... however the advantage to Wine is that nothing in Wine can run on start-up04:49
HazRPG(not unless you set something to run on startup)04:50
HazRPG(i.e. scripts etc)04:50
HazRPGalso, files that have viruses (windows-based) injected to files will not run on linux unless your using those files with Wine... and even then I'm not sure how that would work exactly04:52
HazRPGThis is partly the reason why I've made a separate folder in my Home directory called "Wine" and inside that I have Documents, Music, Videos, etc so instead of giving it room to play it, its once again sandboxed out04:53
HazRPGbut that might just be paranoia on my part04:54
HazRPGplus the fact that I don't tend to use Wine except for games I buy off steam04:54
MartijnVdSYou have to work quite hard to get Wine to do viruses06:17
MartijnVdSbut it can be done06:17
HazRPGlol06:18
HazRPGright lets see if I can figure out how to setup the printer on my server...06:27
MartijnVdSHazRPG: just "Connect to server" from the desktop CUPS admin tool06:27
MartijnVdSHazRPG: maybe set up some ACL to allow that, but I wouldn't go mucking about with editing /etc/cups/printers.conf myself06:28
AlanBellstgraber: hi06:31
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Hmm, you've lost me06:31
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I was reading through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/cups.html06:31
MartijnVdSHazRPG: that would work06:33
MartijnVdSHazRPG: but instead of the web interface, you can use "Connect to server" in the System -> Administration -> Printers ap[p06:34
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Yeah, for some reason I can't connect that way... was the first thing I tried... seems a config setting somewhere it stopping it.06:53
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I've just made sure that CUPS on my server is set to listen on its IP address... but still no joy, its just not allowed to auth.06:54
MartijnVdSHazRPG: so allow it :)\07:00
HazRPGMartijnVdS: does this look about right? http://goo.gl/etCsA07:01
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ah wait.. does the web interface work?07:01
HazRPGnope ^_^07:01
MartijnVdSHazRPG: even if you follow the Ubuntu wiki guide?07:02
HazRPGMartijnVdS: "403"07:02
MartijnVdScool07:02
MartijnVdSI have no idea then, sorry07:02
* MartijnVdS has a printer with a network port07:02
MartijnVdS(much easier)07:02
HazRPGlol07:02
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HazRPGMartijnVdS: Woot! Think I've finally installed my printer to my server ;D07:32
HazRPGjust printing off a test page now07:32
MartijnVdS\o/07:33
HazRPGnow I just need to see if I can get it install on all the clients now :)07:45
HazRPGHmm, is there not a way to limit who can fiddle with the settings... or are the settings on a client-by-client basis?07:49
MartijnVdSHazRPG: username/password I think07:51
MartijnVdSbut some bits are per-client07:51
HazRPGwow, this is more responsive then when it use to be on samba :o07:51
MartijnVdSHazRPG: try the CUPS docs if you want some.. *cough*light*cough* reading07:52
DJonesMorning08:12
czajkowskiAloha08:46
DJonesMorning czajkowski, seems a long time since you've been around (or maybe I've been asleep), how are you feeling now08:48
czajkowskiDJones: not bad thanks08:50
=== madfish is now known as danfish
DJonesThats good to hear, you seem to have been through the wringer lately08:52
rml_homeI have a weird problem.  I installed 11.04 on my twin screen system and now both screens seem completely independent, almost like 2 separate systems.  Any ideas?08:52
gordmorning all08:52
rml_homemouse will move between screens, but can't drag windows...08:53
gordsounds like you have set up separate xscreens rather than using something like twinview08:54
rml_homegord: you could be right.  I'm a recent convert to Linux, so a bit of a n00b :)08:54
czajkowskigord: aren't you glad I reminded you about the pg tips08:55
rml_homegord: I shall give it a bit of a thorough Googling.  Thanks for the pointer08:56
gordczajkowski, very :) although they have a starbucks down the road too09:02
czajkowski:)09:03
JamesTaitHello, world!09:04
gordaww maaaan, i lost my membership in launchpad-bugcontrol09:06
gordnow i can't edit any bug on launchpad :(09:06
* TheOpenSourcerer thinks JamesTait must be learning a new programming language09:06
JamesTait:-P09:07
JamesTaitTheOpenSourcerer: I'm trying a variety, in the hope that I'll find one that makes my boys do as they're told. ;)09:07
TheOpenSourcererAhh - if you find it let me know will you.09:07
JamesTait"sudo tidy your room" isn't working.09:07
JamesTaitAnd I tried to file a bug, but I couldn't find the project bug tracker.09:08
gordi think you are the bug tracker ;)09:09
=== JamesTait is now known as bugzilla
=== bugzilla is now known as JamesTait
gordwhy does google docs hate me so!09:10
DJonesgord: If you can't edit bugs now, does that make life eaier and quieter09:10
gordno because i can edit some bugs ;) just when things are filed wrong or i need to edit quicky a bug on some other project, its more of a pain09:15
AlanBellI think I will go cast a vote09:18
danfishmorning all09:20
danfishanyone know which browsers in XP support websockets?09:20
danfishnvm - latest chrome seems to work :)09:22
* oimon wonders why people still vote in person rather than postal voting, where you receive all the ballot papers up front, and you have time to decide09:26
czajkowskiodd.... my laptop has decided to reboot itself all on it;s own now twice this morning. For no reason.09:28
DJonesoimon: Surely if you vote in person, you have longer to decide because you don't need to send the vote off earlier09:28
* czajkowski needs to go find her place to vote09:29
oimonDJones: depends when you receive the info on all the candidates. quite often it is when you turn up at the ballot box09:29
oimonwhen i voted for london mayor, i seem to remember it was some AV style system09:29
DJonesoimon: Ah, we get plenty of blue bin spam in the run up09:30
=== odysseus is now known as Guest93295
DJonesBlue bin being recycling09:30
oimoni've missed votes in the past due to sudden change of plans in the evening09:31
gordwe can vote?09:31
gordwhat are we voting on this time? celebrities again?09:32
dutchieczajkowski: is it overheating?09:32
oimonthe yestoAV crowd would have you believe that you are voting for celebs09:32
oimonbased on the spam i received from them09:33
dutchiei received no yes2av spam09:33
oimonwell they picked the worst possible celebs09:33
dutchieapart from one man handing out flyers on cornmarket street yesterday who i ignored09:33
oimoni received it in the post09:33
oimonmy wife never receives these things, i think it's because they know it doesn't annoy her09:34
gord.. anti virus?09:35
* Laney sprints off to the polling station09:38
oimonon a different topic, i'm trying to work out why attachmate bought novell in the first place09:40
MartijnVdSbecause it thinks it will increase stockholder value09:42
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:43
oimonwhich bits? i never really understood how novell made money in recent years09:43
popeymorning ratfans!09:43
AlanBellmorning rat09:43
brobostigonmorning oimon, popey and AlanBell .09:44
oimonbonjour#09:44
oimonanyone know how i can make an alternating white/blue background on an openoffice sheet without lots of donkey work?09:49
oimone.g. row 1 white , row 2 blue, etc09:49
MartijnVdSoimon: perl -MSpreadsheet::WriteExcel'09:50
MartijnVdS:P09:50
* MartijnVdS checks09:50
MartijnVdSoimon: I think you can cobble something together with AutoFormat09:51
MartijnVdS(it might be called something else, I'm back-translating from Dutch)09:51
MartijnVdSoimon: Format -> AutoFormat...09:51
oimonMartijnVdS: hey that seems to work09:55
oimonthanks09:55
oimoni create a format style for a few cells, then under autoformat create new format and then apply it :D09:55
MartijnVdSoimon: Spreadsheet guru, I bow to you09:57
oimonisn't that what i'm suposed to say?09:57
oimoni'm creating my year-end budget 3months early :S09:58
MartijnVdSoimon: I only know the names of the features10:02
MartijnVdSoimon: I don't know how to use them properly10:02
urbanbushmorning all. I upgraded to 11.04 yesterday to find X wont run and syslog message I am getting suggests that I should try module parameter 'video.allow_duplicates=1'. I don't know where to change this parameter. please point me in the right direction10:08
MartijnVdS!bootoptions10:09
lubotu3For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions10:09
MartijnVdSwait, that's for the live CD10:09
MartijnVdSurbanbush: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Editing Menus During Boot10:10
MartijnVdSurbanbush: that's where you edit it -- add it after the "splash" bit on the "linux" line10:10
urbanbushDank u Martijn10:12
MartijnVdSgeen probleem, urbanbush10:17
gordNg! you around?10:54
Nggord: no I'm asquare10:54
Ngho ho ho10:54
Ngwhat's up?10:54
MartijnVdS10:54
MartijnVdSNg: that's up10:55
Ngthanks for helping me get up10:55
devushhi. i am trying to run ubuntu 10.04 on the hosted server. i use desktop always. but my ISP does not supports the tools around ubuntu. they supports Centos mainly10:55
Ngit's a necessary prerequisite for getting down10:55
* Ng gets down10:55
MartijnVdSjump up jump up and get down!10:55
devushi am left with the ssh login only. but on the other side CentOS is a real pain in terms of getting all the tools i need.10:55
MartijnVdStime for a different ISP, I guess? :)10:56
devushany suggestions advise?10:56
gordNg, i can't figure out a good workflow for maximising terminals in terminator. normally i just have a bunch of terminals open and navigate around them but on my netbook i really only have space for one, so i want to zoom it, do my stuff, then be able to switch to my other terminals10:58
devushi wonder why the centos market share for server is so high compare to ubuntu. is the centos is long enough in the market? who else is hosting ubuntu server 10.04 e.g. here in UK?10:58
MartijnVdSdevush: Centos is like red hat, which has been in the "corporate support"/enterprise market for way longer than Ubuntu has10:59
MartijnVdSdevush: that said, there are loads of VPS providers that offer Ubuntu VPSes10:59
MartijnVdSdevush: and/or just leave the choice up to the customer10:59
phonex01Hello people !10:59
devushMartinjVdS:yes mine is also supporting 10.04 LTS compare to 4 versions of Centos. but with ubuntu just the ssh. with centos lots of control panels e.g. from Parallel to control the server11:00
Nggord: hmm. I do have to say that the typical workflow is lots of terminals all visible, but I do use ^X a lot to bring little ones up to full size to work in11:00
MartijnVdSdevush: No idea about that. I tend to not need anything besides ssh to control my server :)11:01
Nggord: keyboard navigation is a blind alley of failure, don't use that, but maybe try the built-in sloppy terminal focussing and ctrl-shift-x11:01
popeydevush: thats nothing to do with ubuntu vs centos, that's down to the provider11:02
devushMartinjnVdS: yes. i think is again talk to back on the command line stuff. i have not really used the linux and commandline as i stuck with the big company for last 10-12 year. i used to be a web master and solaris administrator.11:03
gordNg, ctrl+shift+z/x seems to be working well, thanks :)11:03
Nggord: z is intended to be mostly to show people what's happening in a tiny little term, where x is about getting all the useful workspace11:06
Nggord: but that's just me :)11:06
bigcalmDoes anybody have a prefered WordPress plugin for Google Maps?11:10
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] LoCo Directory: Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/05/loco-directory-next-steps/11:19
brobostigonit is possible toreverse engineer a qr back, into the text that made it?11:20
brobostigonqr code*11:20
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: yes11:21
brobostigonMartijnVdS: elaborate please.11:21
MartijnVdS1 sec phone11:22
brobostigonok.11:22
MartijnVdShttp://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx11:22
MartijnVdSthose people make a barcode decoding library (for photos etc., as it's used on phones)11:22
MartijnVdSand they have an on-line decoder that can read the text in a QR code11:22
brobostigonthank you MartijnVdS :)11:24
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i am trying to figure out todays googlenexus puzzle, http://www.google.com/nexus/challenge2/manpdkeho.html11:25
MartijnVdSthat looks like it's several QR codes in one.11:25
MartijnVdSone for each colour11:25
MartijnVdSor maybe some colour mixes (blue + yellow = green?)11:26
brobostigonbecause i always thought, the whole qr needs to be a singlecolour.11:27
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: that is correct11:27
popeyhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190502910035&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:112311:27
popeyinteresting device11:27
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: so what you do: take this picture, make all blue (and green) pixels black, scan11:27
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: then take the original picture, do the same with yellow/green11:27
MartijnVdSetc.11:27
MartijnVdSpopey: but is it supported in Linux?11:27
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, interesting idea, i onder whoe to do it though.11:28
MartijnVdSpopey: (my card works but apparently there's a driver bug -- it tells some chip to add too much white noise before tuning, making tuning impossible. Or something :|)11:28
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: gimp, play with the colour/saturation bits :)11:28
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: or magic select + paint bucket11:28
brobostigonMartijnVdS: ah, :)11:28
brobostigonno gimp, need to install it.11:29
MartijnVdSpopey: apparently, it works: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Technisat_SkyStar_USB_2_HD_CI11:30
MartijnVdSuhrm11:30
MartijnVdSno11:30
MartijnVdS"Currently unsupported"11:30
bigcalmpopey: stop tempting me with tech gadgets11:30
MartijnVdSah.. "it works" for some people11:30
popeyit works in 2.6.3911:31
MartijnVdSpopey: I love how it requires a "Sound blaster compatible sound card"11:31
popeyi just spoke to a friend who has one11:31
MartijnVdSpopey: stop tempting me :P11:32
popey:)11:32
MartijnVdSpopey: I'd want the CI-capable version though, and those cost twice as much :(11:37
brobostigonMartijnVdS: or could i justchange the different colour channels, back to black?11:48
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: as long as what's <colour> now becomes black (white?) and the other colours become white (black?), it shuold work11:48
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: at least, I think that's it11:49
brobostigonMartijnVdS: hmm, i think i see, this is my first time using gimp.11:49
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: no better time to learn :P11:53
brobostigonMartijnVdS: simply to win a phone.11:54
brobostigonor i have to much time on my hands, either way.11:57
Seeker`bah, I'm ill, do I bother going out to vote?11:59
MartijnVdSyes, you do11:59
brobostigongimp isnt friendly.12:00
Seeker`MartijnVdS: am ill enough to stay home from work12:00
MartijnVdSSeeker`: are you sick enough of FPTP :)12:01
Seeker`not really12:01
MartijnVdSremember: if you stay at home you don't get to complain about it if you don't like the outcome ;P12:01
MyrttiI must be weird but I understand d'Hondt better than AV12:01
MartijnVdSMyrtti: You're Finnish, right? Your words have checksums. No wonder you understand weird voting systems ;)12:02
popeylol12:02
Myrttiyeah, äöy can't be in the same words as aou...12:02
MyrttiI guess it makes sense12:03
Myrttimy brain is wired differently12:03
MartijnVdS:)12:03
popeyMyrtti: http://i.imgur.com/kk2lZ.jpg :)12:04
Seeker`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uet4f3QwRQw&feature=related12:04
Myrttipopey: I think that my lack of not-understanding go deeper than 1-2-312:06
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Have you ever seen Debian's voting system?12:07
brobostigoni give up, i cant get it.12:07
Myrttiis it CIVS?12:07
Seeker`The count the "1" votes. if noone has 50%, they disregard the lowest candidate, and recount the votes, but if someone voted for the removed candidate their 2nd vote is used12:07
Seeker`etc. etc. until someone has greater than 50% of the vote12:08
AlanBellor until you run out of votes to transfer12:08
MooDooooooo voting discussion.12:10
Myrttiwell, I'm so confused with the British voting system anyway and the party politics that my interest in the AV is purely theoretical.12:10
gord*thrilling* isn't it!12:10
MooDooso who's voting no?12:10
MyrttiI understand it's better than FPTP, but the underlying mechanics are bewildering12:10
MartijnVdSMooDoo: tories?12:11
MooDooMartijnVdS: yes i know that :D12:11
popeyBe good to discuss the process, but lets not get into the specifics of who is voting which way12:12
MartijnVdSMyrtti: Debian's voting works like this: http://seehuhn.de/pages/vote12:13
MartijnVdS(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method)12:14
Seeker`I don't think AV will work unless most of the population understands that "coalition" means that the party will have to compromise12:15
MartijnVdSWe've never had anything but a coalition here in .nl12:15
MartijnVdSSo it _is_ possible :)12:15
Seeker`most of this governments term so far has been filled with whining by lib dems that they aren't getting all of their manifesto promises, without actually understanding that they didn't _win_ the election12:16
MartijnVdSSeeker`: but neither dit the other guys12:16
Seeker`No, but the other guys didn't get everything they wanted, and they got a larger number of seats too12:17
TheOpenSourcererFPTP FTW!12:17
popeyI just filed bug 777759, wonder who will get 77777712:18
lubotu3Launchpad bug 777759 in casper (Ubuntu) "10.10 live CD prompts to upgrade to 11.04" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77775912:18
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: try saying that 10 times fast :)12:18
popeyyes, say it 10 times12:18
popeyin ##politics12:18
popey:p12:18
MartijnVdSpopey: 8-)12:18
brobostigon##politics-uk :)12:19
* popey notes brobostigon says that every single time I say ##politics12:19
oimonresearch has proven that endless reiteration of people's opinion via twitter does not make any difference12:20
brobostigon:)12:20
Myrttiproportional d'Hondt ♥12:21
exobuzzi had one of these last night. for a supermarket jar curry. wow http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/articles.aspx?page=articles&ID=21676912:21
MyrttiMartijnVdS: so I've even voted on a couple of concordet elections for Ubuntu related stuff, but it still doesn't make much sense in the UK parliamentary election connection. But then again, Finland is a small country and our system works fine for us. Probably impossible for the UK12:21
exobuzz*hot*12:21
popey\o/ yay for exobuzz changing the subject12:21
popeydouble yay for it being curry12:22
exobuzzhehe12:22
exobuzzthis thing hasnt lost any heat during processing by the body.12:22
oimonexobuzz: i find that curry paste+tomatoes makes a much more authentic tasting sauce, for similar effort expended12:22
exobuzzoimon, sometimes im drunk and lazy, but i have a cupboard full of spices and make my own garam masala etc12:23
exobuzz(in a coffee grinder). coffee made in it tastes extra special after12:23
oimonhmm12:23
oimon"special"12:23
TheOpenSourcererexobuzz: http://twitpic.com/4evxfi12:24
exobuzzbut that jar sauce is worth a try. i was thinking "how hot can it really be".12:25
oimonhmm i notice spotify now has a counter in the corner, telling me how long this month i have used it..until 10hrs cutoff point12:25
exobuzzTheOpenSourcerer, very nice. what sorts? (cant read the labels)12:25
TheOpenSourcererNow they are quite a bit bigger.12:25
* oimon can't eat food containing chilli since the age of 27 :(12:25
exobuzzTheOpenSourcerer, i planted some habenero seeds the other day. a little late i guess but hopefully a long hot summer :)12:25
TheOpenSourcererhttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/29/ot-the-return-of-the-chillies/12:26
TheOpenSourcererI start mine at the end of Jan.12:26
exobuzzdorset naga. jolokia. your gonna be on fire12:26
exobuzzyou're12:26
TheOpenSourcerer:-D12:26
TheOpenSourcererI am now going off to vote and get some lunch.12:27
TheOpenSourcererAll this talk of food.12:27
exobuzzi grew some purira chillies that i really enjoyed some yaers ago. something like that. very nice flavour and each plant was plentiful12:27
exobuzzoh yeh. voting. must go and do that12:27
DJonesI might get some chillies now I've got a greenhouse12:27
* brobostigon plans to, at somepoint this afternoon.12:28
oimonhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/mark-shuttleworth-talks-windicators-changes-for-unity-in-oneiric-and-whole-lot-more12:28
oimonfor those who didn't catch it already12:28
exobuzzthanks.12:28
exobuzz"Are you satisfied with Unity in the recent Ubuntu version ?" Yes.. - oh dear12:29
MartijnVdSMore money than sense, that one :P12:30
DJonesHeh, I wonder if I can get commission for them quoting my question & his answer12:30
oimonwell, yes if you see how far they've come..no if you think it's finished12:30
exobuzzrepost. but am i satisfied with unity. not quite. could you change those icons sizes based on screen res please! http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/unity2.png12:30
exobuzz(my joggler)12:30
exobuzzmouse accessibility is still broken in natty. they just need to downgrade mousetweaks. taking their time :(12:31
oimon"We’ll work out the details in round two." - this is why i'm staying with lucid for now - natty is vista12:31
exobuzzoverlay scrollbars are terrible and dont work well on touchscreens too.12:32
MyrttiXubuntu ♥12:32
exobuzzMyrtti, no gvfs though right? i like the simplicity though12:32
exobuzz"windicators" hmm. im not convinced about this12:32
Myrttiexobuzz: no, but I have no or little use of it anyway - nothing that commandline script couldn't do12:33
davmor2exobuzz: you can of course install plugins that replicate the bulk of the gvfs work or install gvfs being as it is gtk+ based not sure what else of gnome that would pull in though12:34
exobuzzbecause i like the classic desktop style, xfce might be a choice depending on what happens at ubuntu. or i might go back to linux mint.12:35
exobuzzi like the mint menu, although it could be a bit leaner and quicker to load12:35
popeyexobuzz: tried unity2d on joggler?12:36
exobuzzpopey, yep. thats the screenshot12:37
popeyoh12:37
exobuzz3d unity doesnt work with emgd as with other opengl apps.12:37
exobuzzpopey, it works, but since you cant use applets, not brightness control in the menubar12:38
popeycant you whitelist the applet?12:38
exobuzzi actually find the classic desktop easier to use on the joggler still12:38
popeye.g. skype is whitelisted12:38
exobuzzpopey, i dunno, i thought applets just didnt work fullstop? is there documentation on getting things working ?12:39
popeyhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/12:39
davmor2popey: you'll get shuned if you use omgubuntu links12:40
exobuzzpopey, is this just for systray apps or it works with actual applets too?12:40
exobuzzi guess i can try it12:40
exobuzzthanks12:40
popeydavmor2: meh12:43
popeydavmor2: find me the documentation on an "official" site and I'll use that12:43
oimonto sort of people than shun for using certain links are the sort of people than shun ubuntu users for not using a more l33t linux distro :D12:43
davmor2popey: I'm teasing I do it all the time and get whinged at :)12:43
oimonpopey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray/30748#3074812:44
popeybrilliant, thanks!12:44
* popey upvotes12:44
exobuzzpopey, you can try unity 2d on my latest natty image on the joggler. would be interested in seeing what you think. i find the classic menus still quicker to navigate on the joggler touchscreen12:46
Dave2notification area!12:46
popeyYES! THAT!12:47
Dave2I wonder if it's still called that in Gnome 3. It doesn't notify you of much.12:48
gordthe "pssst have you heard? shhhhh" area12:48
popeythe "LOOK AT ME, I'M SKYPE" area12:49
brobostigonDave2: yes, it is, but it does much more now, it holds applets aswell.12:49
davmor2Dave2: no it technically doesn't exist in gnome3 honest notifications come from the bottom of the screen12:49
Dave2davmor2: it's still there when you move the mouse to the bottom-right12:50
brobostigonDave2: or pops up, when you get a noitifivation, or an applet comes alive.12:50
davmor2Dave2: still less than informative12:51
oimonanyone still think lastpass is safe?12:51
DJonesYou mean now they might have been hacked?12:51
oimonyeah12:51
Dave2brobostigon: I thought the notification itself appeared at the bottom, but the area didn't.12:51
popeyoimon: yes12:51
brobostigonDave2: both are true, it pops up there, and live in the bottom to bottom right.12:52
Dave2(I've been using it on my desktop for a while now, after accidentally replacing Gnome 2 with it. I was trying to find out whether I found it more tolerable than Unity. Which thankfully I do.)12:52
Dave2(However I'm currently at work where I'm running Gnome 2 so am going from memory.)12:53
davmor2Dave2: Now I'm the other way round, I found gnome shell really nice in comparison with unity in 10.10 but now much prefer unity over gnome shell in 11.0412:54
Dave2I didn't give Unity too much of a chance, but I now can't give it any, what with having replaced Gnome 2. But it just annoyed me to work with it. Maybe being stuck in Gnome 3's forced me to adapt to it, and if I did the same with Unity I'd also be fine.12:55
Dave2But then, I'd have to familiarize myself with multiple interfaces, as I'm not going to be running Ubuntu everywhere. (This machine's Fedora.)12:56
oimonDave2: classic gnome is still an option from the login screen in natty13:01
Dave2Not when you've accidentally replaced Gnome 2 with Gnome 3 it's not. (And nor is Unity. Well, both are options listed, neither work.)13:01
oimonoh, i didn't realise it was possible to actually replaceit13:03
oimongnome3 has the biggest, most useless title bars i've ever seen13:04
Dave2most useless?13:05
DJonesDave2: From what I've read, Unity & Gnome 3 are incompatible at the moment13:12
popeyin 11.04, yes13:12
DJonespopey: Yes, sorry, should have added that bit13:13
Dave2DJones: exactly my point13:14
TheOpenSourcererGreat deal at Tesco express for lunch. Ch. Tikka Masala & Pilau Rice £2.59p, 6 x O.Bhaji £1.0013:16
* bigcalm wallows in his chicken meat 'n chips13:17
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: on a diet again ;)13:18
TheOpenSourcererlol13:18
TheOpenSourcererSmothered in freshly chopped habanero chilli.13:18
* danfish hides my pastie and monster munch lunch13:19
TheOpenSourcererThe chilli adds lots of important vitamins. 500x Viit C. of an Orange apparently13:19
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: and a portion of your five a day :)13:19
bigcalmIgnoring the phone while on lunch is so much fun13:20
oimontwitter needs a politics filter :(13:20
exobuzzTheOpenSourcerer, nice! hungry now :13:20
popey\o/ pizza13:20
exobuzz+ habanero chilli. lol13:20
exobuzzpizza yay13:20
* danfish has just got to finish some websockety stuff and then it's semi-automatic chilli watering system time:)13:22
KrisDouglasI have no lunch13:22
KrisDouglasand there is nobody in my office :(13:22
KrisDouglasso I can't leave13:22
KrisDouglasI do however have a can of relentless :)13:22
bigcalmKrisDouglas: have something delivered to the office13:22
KrisDouglasNo delivery places are open in the daytime in Stone13:22
oimonwhat does relentless taste like?13:23
oimonall those energy drinks seem to taste of chemicals13:23
KrisDouglasSlightly sharper than red bull.13:23
oimoneww13:23
KrisDouglasIt tastes like apple juice13:24
KrisDouglaskinda.13:24
oimonred bull tastes of nasty with added tcp13:24
KrisDouglasI don't like red bull.13:24
bigcalmTCP/RB ?13:24
oimonrootbeer?13:25
KrisDouglasI tend to only drink tea and squash :P13:25
oimonwhen i was little i liked the peanuts strip so i went to mcdonalds and bought a rootbeer cos thats what snoopy liked. discovered that it was the basis for the tcp-like taste in redbull13:26
exobuzzi wish i hadnt drunk ta whole bottle of wine last night after 2 pints of cider and a pint of stella.13:26
KrisDouglasI don't drnk13:26
KrisDouglasDrink*13:26
exobuzzand then posted drunkenly on a forum. need computer breathalyzer13:26
oimonlol13:26
KrisDouglasOoh "Help improve Microsoft SQL Server 2008"13:26
KrisDouglas"Yes please microsoft, put an uninstall icon on my desktop for me."13:27
popey"port it to linux"13:28
KrisDouglasGood god man.13:28
KrisDouglasOnce you get around the slowness of the management studio, it's a relatively usable database platform. Sadly.13:30
KrisDouglasWe're moving to postgres or mysql though13:30
MartijnVdSKrisDouglas: except you can't really use it from other OSes13:31
* brobostigon returns from doing his democratic duty.13:31
oimonwhat's the future of mysql ?13:31
KrisDouglasWe don't run desktop apps in our office.13:31
MartijnVdSoimon: /dev/null13:31
oimonit's still the defacto standard her13:32
KrisDouglasoimon, MartijnVdS, I think that's about right13:32
oimonher=here13:32
MartijnVdSI've used PostgreSQL for ages now13:32
MartijnVdSMySQL feels scary, with its broken referential integrity and broken transaction support13:33
MartijnVdS(even with innodb)13:33
MartijnVdSalso, its non-SQL99/SQL2003-compliant dialect *shudder*13:33
oimon"There is no real argument for the No campaign." - just written by some numpty on facebook13:33
oimonbut how do you spell LAMP with postgres?13:34
MartijnVdSoimon: Linux, Apache, My App, Postgresql13:36
KrisDouglasLAPP13:37
KrisDouglasSo what do you guys recommend database wise, I do not mind changing to something better. I don't really like the way My is going anyway13:38
KrisDouglaspopey, feel free to shoot me if you don't want this dirty offtopic talk here13:38
davmor2oimon: Linux, Apache, Mission_critical_database_postgresql, PHP13:38
KrisDouglasdavmor2, Classic.13:39
smilcha30is this channel live? anyone here?13:39
KrisDouglassmilcha30, Yeah it is.13:39
davmor2smilcha30: no13:39
smilcha30omg13:39
oimonjust 140 bots chilling out13:39
KrisDouglasdavmor2, spoilsport13:39
smilcha30any sexy ladies here?13:39
oimonlol13:39
KrisDouglassmilcha30, davmor213:40
smilcha30just joking13:40
oimononly bearded ones13:40
KrisDouglasoimon, haha13:40
smilcha30has anyone tried to run linux on new sandy bridge  processors ?13:40
smilcha30I`m just a newbie and got my ubuntu on  only today13:41
davmor2smilcha30: I've not personally13:42
davmor2KrisDouglas: Sexy I may be, so much so that when I met prince william he said I need a hair cut like that and promptly started shedding hair, but I'm no Lady!13:43
oimonsexy is subjective anyway13:44
smilcha30it is hard to believe that only bearded guys are here, back in my country we had some nice chicks as admins13:45
oimondo you work on a chicken farm or something?13:46
popeyahem13:46
oimonAlanBell has some chicks working for him13:46
smilcha30nvm13:47
smilcha30just got here by mistake,13:47
KrisDouglasI don't have a beard.13:47
oimoni don't either, but i don't understand the shaving every day thing if you aren't a sales person13:48
KrisDouglasAnd ubuntu is the only distro I can think of that has quite a hefty number of ladies working.13:48
oimon\o/13:48
* popey suspects AlanBell knows the %age of women who are Ubuntu members13:48
oimonwhich other distro can say they sell ladies tshirts in their store13:48
popeywhich other distros have stores?13:49
popeyi guess fedora does?13:49
brobostigonsuse?13:49
popeySOOOOOZAH!13:49
oimonyou could work out the %age of ladies names on the oggcamp list and extrapolate it to the entire open source population. that what most surveys seem to do13:49
popeyheh13:49
oimoni see suse has become the "german distro" again13:50
smilcha30all right guys. I`m ready to learn some linux stuff, where should I start?13:50
bigcalmsmilcha30: what bits are you interested in?13:50
MooDoopopey: fedora doesn't really have one, redhat does13:50
popeyah13:50
oimoni have redhat gear13:50
popeyStart with minecraft :)13:51
bigcalmHaha13:51
MooDoo+113:51
bigcalmpopey++13:51
oimontshirt, cap, bag, mug, usb stick, rechargeable battery, pen holder13:51
* DJones wonders if the redhat store sells hats in other colours other than red?13:51
davmor2popey: That just evil!13:51
MooDoosmilcha30: download a live cd and start with that :D13:51
gordi bet people looking for red hats on google are certainly very disappointed13:51
gordor fedoras really13:52
smilcha30MooDoo,  got my system up and installed,13:52
MooDoosmilcha30: ah ! :)13:52
bigcalmhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2224#comic # this is the real reason for shaving :S13:52
DJones!manual | smilcha30 Possibly a good place to start would be this link,13:52
lubotu3smilcha30 Possibly a good place to start would be this link,: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/13:52
davmor2smilcha30: what do you want to learn?13:52
smilcha30no idea13:52
smilcha30just to use ubuntu as dayly os13:53
DJones!terminal13:53
lubotu3The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal13:53
MooDoosmilcha30: just get yourself familiar where evertyhing is13:53
DJonessmilcha30: Thats another good one to start looking at13:53
smilcha30kk thanks13:53
oimoni also recommend the manual13:53
popey!manual13:53
lubotu3The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/13:53
popey\o/13:53
bigcalmToo late13:53
DJonesHeh, I was also going to suggest not talking about female ubuntu users as chicks etc, that probably won't be appreciated13:54
oimonirc is funny...sometimes when i pop into another room and ask a question, i feel like i should idle for 1 hr after the qu is answered then leave13:54
PendulumDJones: +113:54
brobostigonDJones: +113:54
gordgord +113:55
popey+4213:55
bigcalm+1913:55
gordcheater13:55
oimonDJones: i find it better to pretend i don't know what he means13:55
Pendulumthat said, if AlanBell ever gets chicks of the avian variety, we can talk about his chicks13:55
DJonesPendulum: he has chickens13:55
popeyI cuddled AlanBell's chicks a while back13:55
oimontime for my budget meeting with big boss13:55
PendulumDJones: I know. In the US chicks = baby chickens and you never refer to adult chickens as chicks13:55
MooDooi think i called pleia2 a chick once......still got the virtual bruises :D13:55
popeyI called pleia2 and other women "guys" once :)13:56
DJonesPendulum: Right, I call baby chickens fried eggs in waiting & adults chickens a sundy roast :)13:56
popeyoops13:56
MooDoopopey: oooops13:56
gordguys is non gender specific to me, but maybe its just me13:56
Pendulumhaha13:56
popeywas especially lolworthy given my mail was about Ubuntu Women :)13:56
MartijnVdSMooDoo: "NOBODY.. CALLS ME.. CHICKEN" </McFly>13:56
davmor2MartijnVdS: Chicken! :P13:57
MooDooMartijnVdS: :)13:57
gord... didn't open tag13:57
MartijnVdSwoohoo, made gord throw an exception 8-)13:57
DJonesMaybe saying "Alright chuck" would be ok around manchester area (In a Vera Duckworth husky voice)13:57
popeyHi-yaaaaa!13:58
popey</laura>13:58
gord</kungfu>13:58
* MartijnVdS tries Unity 2D on $old_machine13:58
MooDooczajkowski: alright chick :)13:58
* MooDoo is waiting for the punch13:58
AlanBellpopey: just over 5% but the stats for this month have not yet been run13:59
AlanBelloggcamp was just under 10% for the first 20014:00
Pendulumsomehow I think oggcamp is a bit higher of a percentage than most of open source14:02
AlanBellit is not a global thing14:02
Pendulumyeah14:02
* davmor2 punch MooDoo on czajkowski behalf14:07
gordwow branching lp:unity is huge14:07
MooDoodavmor2: cheers laddo14:07
nigelbgord: does bzr have a depth option like git?14:07
davmor2gord: it is scarily big isn't it14:07
gordnigelb, depth?14:07
nigelbgord: that way you get latest and nothing more and you can use it normally. Its faster.14:07
nigelbgord: (you can't get history, because its a shallow clone)14:07
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2011/05/a_15_computer_to_inspire_young.html14:08
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davmor2MooDoo: didn't want you feeling unloved14:08
MooDoodavmor2: too late, she's not even poked me :(14:08
popeyhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/14:09
DJonesThat looks more like a naked USB stick14:09
gordnigelb, i assume so, but such a thing isn't useful to me, normally i have bzr share branch tree's, so you have a directory containing unity trunk that you keep up todate and any branches you make in that directory come from your local trunk, which is fast14:10
nigelbgord: ah, yes. I forgot I do the same for summit and loco-ddirectory. Its much cleaner, yes :-)14:10
KrisDouglasmozzarella14:10
KrisDouglasWhat the god happened there, i was supposed to be posting bizarre.14:11
KrisDouglasI didn't even use spellcheck, i just typed that.14:11
DJonesKrisDouglas: That is more bizarre thinging bizarre and spelling it mozzarella14:11
KrisDouglasSomeone mentioned pizza14:13
KrisDouglasand I has just told my GF we are having pizza for tea.14:13
KrisDouglasMakes sense.14:13
KrisDouglasYay, I killed Ubuntu-UK14:15
popeyhttp://tumbleweed.popey.com/14:16
dogmatic69whole vhost for that?14:16
bigcalm:D14:17
bigcalmWhy not?14:17
KrisDouglaspopey, I like it.14:17
dogmatic69lol14:17
dogmatic69popey: get it its own ipv4 address :P14:17
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: those cost money now14:17
davmor2dogmatic69: I told him to animate it rolling off the page cause it would be far funnier but no14:17
KrisDouglasSpeaking of hosts, I need to get a static IP for my house. Need to get my website back up.14:17
MartijnVdS\o/ IPv614:17
popeyit's one of many14:18
popeyhttp://drool.popey.com/ comes out when pizza is mentioned14:18
dogmatic69MartijnVdS: aws charges you if you dont use it14:18
bigcalmjoke.14:18
davmor2KrisDouglas: why just use dyndns14:18
dogmatic69popey: lol14:18
KrisDouglaspopey, do you actually have a day job? :P14:18
popeyYes, but I dont work for canonical!14:18
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: what? v6?14:18
davmor2popey: ah so you have time :P14:19
KrisDouglasdavmor2, I never really liked that service, can you assign real domain names to that nowadays?14:19
KrisDouglas(as in, not a .dyndns hostname)14:19
popeyyes14:19
KrisDouglasOh.14:19
popeyi used to point popey.com at a dyndns.host14:19
popeyand then that pointed to my house14:19
dogmatic69MartijnVdS: v414:19
davmor2KrisDouglas: you can on paid iirc but on free you can have various include .org again iirc14:20
KrisDouglasI am way behind the times with that, I might go check out to see how much it is to not get nagged every 2 weeks.14:20
KrisDouglasi have krisd.eu14:20
popeyKrisDouglas: nagged?14:21
popeyI never get nagged14:21
MartijnVdSIs there a way to get Thunderbird to play nice with the Messages indicator?14:21
popeyi have a domain and point it at a dyndns hostname (cname) and that points to my dynamic IP14:21
DJonesKrisDouglas: I do the same, point a website at dyndns & that points to my home which in turn points to a server14:21
popeynear-zero effort14:21
KrisDouglas$2.50 a month is perfect.14:21
* popey pays $0.00 a month14:21
dogmatic69MartijnVdS: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/#ebsPricing14:21
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: I don't use AWS14:22
dogmatic69pay if you ask for one and dont use it :P14:22
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: yes, also http://newenterprise.allthingsd.com/20110325/got-any-old-ip-addresses-need-to-raise-cash-you-may-be-in-luck/14:22
KrisDouglasHmm, thanks for the info. I will setup a free account in that case and try it out :)14:22
DJonesdyndns did bring something in where if you didn't log in to dyndns or something changes/checked in automatically, you'd get a monthly nagging email14:22
popeyoh?14:23
DJones(with the free service)14:23
popeyi have never had a mail from them14:23
DJonesI've only had one in about 6 months14:23
popeyah14:23
DJonesI think if your connection drops for any reason, that forces a checkin which resets the counter14:23
KrisDouglasDJones, I get that.14:24
KrisDouglasI was getting one every fortnight or a month14:24
KrisDouglasdrove me round 't bend.14:24
KrisDouglast' bend*14:24
DJonespopey: Inactivity Expirations14:25
DJonesA Dynamic DNS Free host's activity is measured by how often the host's IP address is updated. If a host is not updated within 30 days, it will be removed from the system.14:25
DJonesTo prevent these expirations, you can click the link in the expiry email sent every 25 days14:25
popeyooo14:26
DJonesFrom http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/dyndns.html14:26
davmor2KrisDouglas: DJones just setup ddclient14:26
DJonesdavmor2: I have :)14:26
davmor2DJones: there is also dyndns as an app on ubuntu now too oldly14:27
livingdaylightHaro14:28
dwatkinsEven my router at home does dyndns now.14:30
livingdaylightpopey, I looked up one review of lenovo 550 and it seemed to have hdmi out even though it was a lower spec processor. Unfortunately, the one on sale doesn't. That site has good deals though.14:30
davmor2dwatkins: mine says it does but I kept getting issues from it so went for ddclient on my server instead14:31
kazadewhat the...  I've had some kind of graphical corruption on my Xchat window all day that made it look like no-one had said anything all day.. I just moved the window and I can see about 6 pages of chat scrollback! :/14:31
popeyhaha14:31
livingdaylightThis HP G62 seems a nice deal at £350http://www.ebuyer.com/product/25713514:31
dwatkinsdavmor2: I'd best check my BT Home Hub really is doing it then, thanks.14:31
davmor2dwatkins: most seem to without issue I think mine is just trying my patience :)14:32
dwatkinsSeems to be working ok, although knowing BT's hardware it'll fall over mid-evening.14:33
gorddynamic dns is really annoying these days, because of the 30 day problem, would love to just run some software on my server that does the same thing14:33
dwatkinsthe fact they require you to visit the site each month with a free account?14:34
dwatkinsgord: that's enough to make me very tempted to pay, and it's not particularly expensive, is it?14:34
* popey wonders why he isnt getting any of these issues14:34
gordits not a service i feel i want to pay for though, i'd rather do it myself14:35
livingdaylightcan anyone recommend a better computer for £350 or less than said HP G62 above?14:35
gordif it was for more than just "so i can ssh home when i'm away" - i would be more inclined to pay14:35
davmor2popey: did you pay dyndns?14:35
popeyno14:36
gorddoes your ip change a lot?14:36
popeyhence why I am boggling at all this talk14:36
popeyno14:36
popeyrarely14:36
davmor2popey: or did you setup ddclient or dnydns locally?14:36
gorddo you have magical powers?14:36
popeymy router does the dyndns stuff14:36
popeywhich is sensible surely?14:36
davmor2popey: that's why then14:36
bigcalmDoes anybody have Adobe Acrobat Reader X installed? I need to know if it has an save or export to JPG feature14:36
popeyright14:36
popeyso everyone moaning.. do that14:36
popeyand stop moaning14:36
dwatkinsyeah, I think my router does the updates, and because my IP changes regularly, it satisfies the 'update once a month' thing14:36
popeyand no money changes hands14:36
popeywin14:36
davmor2popey: the router is updating it once a day14:36
popeymy mum also uses it and I installed ddclient for her14:37
bigcalmI use ddclient so that I can use the dyn feature on my own domain names with joker.com14:37
gordmy router does the dyndns stuff and i still lose my account frequently :)14:38
gordhrm,14:38
gordmaybe its that my router only updates the dyndns account *when* my ip changes, whereas popey's updates it say, every week regardless14:38
* popey shrugs14:38
popeyits some netgear thing14:38
kazadeHaha, classic letter in this week's MicroMart: "The truth of the matter is they [Linux users] have been forced to onto Linux not because of a badly written OS from Microsoft, but their inability to operate it in the proper manner"14:39
dwatkinsand my IP address changes all the time because I'm with BT ;)14:39
popeywow, people buy MicroMart?14:39
bigcalmMy grandmother has sky but no server, so the router is set to use dyndns.org. Sadly her IP address doesn't change often enough to stop the 30 day timeout14:39
dwatkinsthe proper manner for operating windows is 1) insert linux CD or USB stick 2) reinstall? ;)14:39
kazadepopey, heh, me and a couple of other people14:39
davmor2popey, gord: netgear does it each day or week where as mine does it on change same as yours14:39
davmor2gord: install ddclient14:39
gorddavmor2, ddclient gets around router problems? i'm not sure if dyndns guess your ip from whatever is connecting or if you supply the ip14:40
gordit was a problem like 5 years ago when i last had a client update it14:41
davmor2gord: ddclient is designed to just ping dyndns with your ip as far as I can see14:41
davmor2livingdaylight: that is the one I said to get from currys, 349 :P  also you'll have woes with the ralink 5390 wifi if you get it I'll try and find you the link that finally worked for me14:55
KrisDouglaskazade, that is typical.14:58
KrisDouglaskazade, the contents of the message, that is.14:59
KrisDouglaspopey, what router do you have?15:00
popeyuuuuuhm15:01
popeyno idea15:01
popeywhite netgear thing15:01
popeyhowever I am moving to a superhub15:01
popeyprobably tomorrow because I'll be at home :D15:01
hamitronsuperhub?15:02
popeyvirgin 30Mb15:02
hamitronheh, super ;)15:02
popeyneeds a new modem because it's a new DOCSIS version or something15:02
popeyyeah, I hear it's "super"15:03
bigcalmpopey: when do you get your next bill? ;)15:03
bigcalmOoo, 3 4sq friend requests. I am popular!15:07
popey:D15:08
bigcalm2 added, 1 ignored15:08
bigcalmNot sure what you do with friends on 4sq though15:09
popeycompete for points :)15:10
popeyone of my co-workers checks in as he drives past places :(15:10
Myrttipopey: the "not-Canonical" reminds me with my (lately smaller than before) problem of "not-Nokia"15:10
popey:S15:10
popeyjoin!15:11
popeyhttps://launchpad.net/~not-canonical15:11
popeyall except gord are welcome15:11
popey:)15:11
davmor2popey: really?15:11
popeyand you15:11
popeyand her15:11
popeyand him15:11
MartijnVdS:|15:11
* davmor2 takes potshots at popey with his spud gun15:12
hamitronpeople think you work for them?15:12
davmor2popey: let me know if they get close15:12
oimonthe trouble with those giant 150g bags of sensations crisps is that it's easy to eat the whole bag in one go15:14
hamitron:D15:14
oimonit's very hard to judget what a normal bag zied amount of crisps is without weighing them15:14
krimzon2I'd say stop before you feel satisfied, but no amount of crisps is actually satisfying15:15
hamitronthey so are15:15
popeyeat chocolate first15:15
popeycrisps are much tastier after chocolate15:15
* DJones looks at the multipack of walkers crisps set at the other end of the room and notes that it containts 40*25g bags15:15
hamitronI used to eat 20 bags of space invaders at school15:15
oimonyummmm15:16
oimonpickled onion ones still live on as pickled onion niknaks15:16
oimonjust finished easter egg numbre 115:16
oimoni need to pick up the pace15:16
hamitronyeh :/15:16
AlanBellyou have a pickled onion easter egg?15:16
Azelphurjust ordered my dell inspiron duo, got it for £320 :D15:16
hamitronnice going15:17
MyrttiI wish I had a tube of pringles15:17
oimondoes it work on ubuntu?15:17
Azelphuroimon: inspiron duo? should do :p15:17
oimonummm15:17
oimonnot out of the box15:17
Myrttisee, now my thoughts are polluted15:17
Azelphuroh sure not ootb, but I can just reload it.15:17
Myrttione can always read: "does it work for ubuntu"15:17
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davmor2Myrtti: I have one I'll share it with you15:17
oimoni'm about to buy a thinkpad x220 tablet for someone15:18
oimonthe x201 is ubuntu certified ..x200 not quite yet15:18
oimonCentOS PubCrawl on 10th May, London Earls Court Area; signup + details :http://bit.ly/iCNfoh15:19
oimonsorry wrong room :P15:19
AzelphurAnyone know how I'd go about debugging gmail sending all mail from my domain(s) to the spam folder?15:19
MartijnVdSAzelphur: gmail or gmail-for-your-domain?15:20
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ("normal" or "apps")15:20
AzelphurMartijnVdS: I have google apps, but my webserver sends mail out for account registration and stuff15:20
DJonesAzelphur: All mails you send from your domain are going into other people spam folder?15:20
MartijnVdSAzelphur: it probably thinks your server = spam server (because you forwarded spammy messages)15:21
DJonesBlacklisted?15:21
AzelphurDJones: not n any blacklist I know of15:21
MartijnVdSAzelphur: enable dkim15:21
MartijnVdSit might help (but it might not)15:21
Azelphurit's in a situation atm where mail from my webserver is all spam15:22
DJonesAzelphur: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=8112615:22
Azelphurbut spam I send from google apps is ok15:22
AzelphurDJones: nice, I'll go through that15:22
DJonesAzelphur: Thats linked from "If you're sending to Gmail users and are seeing your messages marked as spam, please review our Bulk Senders guide."15:23
shaunospf & dkim aren't too painful to setup, and seem to get you on gmail's good side pretty quickly15:23
Azelphuryea. I'll give it a go :)15:23
Azelphurlol every single mail on the first page of my spam folder isn't spam \o/15:24
oimonbeen told i haven't spent enough this year :(15:28
* DJones sends oimon a bill for "Consultancy services"15:28
oimongoing on a shopping spree for £30k of gear15:28
oimon"use it or lose it"15:29
Azelphuroimon: computer gear? :O15:29
oimonyes ..IT gear15:29
bigcalmScuba gear!15:29
Azelphurawesome XD15:29
MartijnVdScomputers have gears?!15:29
oimonmainly PCs and printers tbh15:29
Azelphuroimon: alienware laptop + custom built supercomputer?15:29
DJonesMartijnVdS: glxgears?15:29
MartijnVdSDJones: ...15:29
* oimon is happy with his standard dell desktop15:29
MartijnVdSDJones: you mean.. glxgears = transparent window?!15:30
oimonalthough 2nd monitor/vga card would be nice15:30
selinuxiumHi all, how is everyone?15:42
livingdaylightwhat happened to the spinning cube craze?15:47
MartijnVdSpeople got crazy :)15:48
* oimon checks to see if he has the cube15:48
oimoni can't live without wobble on my windows though15:49
livingdaylightmy windows don't wobble or anything15:49
oimonit's less of a wobble, more fluidity15:50
gordwhenever i see the apple logo on someones system it always reminds me more of a moon eclipsing a giant apple rather than a bite15:50
CaMasonoh fie - 11.04 installer crashed15:50
livingdaylightCaMason, have to tread carefully, there are landmines15:51
CaMasonevidently15:51
livingdaylighteveryone fill in their consensus forms? For some reason it is criminal not to do so - can't figure out why. Just had a guy at my door step visiting about it.15:52
DJonesDoes rotate cube work with unity? I thought when I looked at enabling it, it brought up a warning message about something having to be disabled15:53
CaMasonlivingdaylight, yup, it's a legal requirement. What's more - a US arms company are dealing with all the data.15:53
CaMason..which the US gvt could legally access under the Patriot act15:54
livingdaylightCaMason I don't want to submit anything as a matter of principle; it seems illegal to me to force people into giving information like the one's their asking.15:55
CaMasonprecisely15:55
Azelphurhmm, this is fun. My text rendering is kinda doing every other character15:56
oimoni don't remeber them asking an particularly personal questions15:57
DJonesPretty much all I remember about filling in the form is Name, address, age, where do I work, what is my job title, marital status15:58
oimonyeah15:59
gordsummit.ubuntu.com pages have QR-codes now, thats awesome15:59
Azelphurhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/May%202011/2011-05-05-155649_3840x1200_scrot.png15:59
Azelphurwhat is this madness15:59
popeythats a url15:59
CaMasonlol16:00
Azelphurpopey: was more interested in the contents of the URL :p16:00
Azelphurmore specifically where half my text seems to have wandered off to16:00
popeyoh, i know that16:00
Azelphurtext, I can only has half of it :p16:00
popeyit's a portable network graphic file16:00
popeyhosted on dropbox16:00
livingdaylightDJones, all that information they have already. As I say it's more the principle and what baffles me is how they intent to bully people into submitting it, or else...16:00
popeyHTH HAND16:00
Laney"too much bling detected"16:00
DJonesyay, Desire HD is getting a gingerbread update16:01
CaMasonrandom characters missing. My Favourite is 'ETWORK'16:01
popeyyeah, you dont have enough CPUs for all those pixels16:01
popeysomething has to give16:01
Azelphurlol16:01
oimonDJones: how about regular desire?16:01
Azelphurnotice gcalctool is affected :p16:01
Azelphurpretty much everything is affected, chrome is too16:01
Laneyi am jealous that you get to know the moon's phase at all times though16:01
oimoni saw a galaxy s 2 yesterday, not bad, rather large but nice16:02
bigcalmTitter \o/16:02
DJonesoimon: No idea, I just picked up on http://recombu.com/news/htc-desire-hd-gingerbread-update-rolls-out-to-vodafone-customers_M14226.html16:02
DJonesoimon: http://recombu.com/news/will-my-htc-phone-get-the-android-23-gingerbread-update_M13834.html16:03
Azelphurpopey: lol I switched to a tty and back as that usually fixes weird issues, now my display keeps freezing until I do something with compiz \o/16:03
DJonesoimon: Sounds like it will be happening, just doesn't say when16:03
oimon(Three UK is promising an Android 2.3 update for their HTC Desire customers mid-May.)16:04
livingdaylight(Three UK is promising an Android 2.3 update for their HTC Desire customers mid-May.) <--- excellent16:04
Azelphurand now the missing characters are back :D16:04
gordhad 2.3 for a while now, its good16:04
gordworth it for the (for some chipsets) improved battery life16:05
oimonspeed + battery life eh?16:05
gorddidn't notice a speed difference, maybe slower phones have speed problems?16:05
oimonhard to quantify though..often a placebo16:05
oimonlike when my car has a service it always goes faster16:05
davmor2I'd completely forgotten about this wallpaper one for may the forth http://ubuntuone.com/p/r3y/16:07
oimondavmor2: somebody spent some serious time on that16:07
oimoni find stock android ugly compared to sense16:08
davmor2oimon: they did in deed16:08
gordi find stock sense tacky compared to android :)16:10
brobostigonjust saw a loan advert on tv, 1734% apr. auch, that should be illegal.16:10
popeyno, not at all.16:10
popeyif it's a short term loan then that makes total sense16:11
popeyI suspect the advert was for wonga.com?16:11
brobostigonpopey: i know it representative of the risk they are taking, but still, its is quite excesive.16:11
popeyno, it isnt16:11
popeyat all16:11
popeyA = Annual.16:11
brobostigonpopey: something similer, yes.16:11
popeyYet short term loans are paid off very quickly16:11
popeyso you never accumulate that amount of debt16:11
brobostigontrue. yes.16:12
oimonexcept that you do when you are the sort of person that needs a pay day loan16:12
brobostigonpopey: i think the length they were taking ws a length of several months, load period.16:12
brobostigonloan*16:12
oimonif you are short of £50 then you are the sort of person that will struggle to find the £75 repayment next month16:13
brobostigontalking about*16:13
popeyoimon: generalisation fail16:13
popeybrobostigon: yes, and still not a year16:13
brobostigonpopey: no, true.16:13
oimonpopey: target market16:14
popeyoimon: some people have cash flow problems, or unexpected issues, car broken down for example, days before pay day16:14
oimonotherwise why would i go to such a loan shark ^H^H^H^H company for £50 unless i was deperate16:14
popeymaybe they dont have a credit card16:14
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popey<- doesn't have a credit card for example16:15
oimonif they have credit card or easy access savings then they will prob be in a similar position next month - i've read a lot of stories on moneysavingexpert and other sites of real users panicking about what's gonna happen to them16:15
brobostigonme neither.16:15
popeyoimon: every case is different16:15
popeyI've been in a crap situation where bank balance reached beyond zero, out of my control16:16
popeybeing self employed can do that to you.16:16
brobostigon:(16:16
popeyit's not as simple as you paint16:16
oimonnothing ever is black and white but there are trends and demographics16:17
popeythere are.16:17
oimoni don't use a credit card for borrowing, i use it for easily pooling my outgoings rather than cash use which is hard to account for16:18
oimonalthough it's sad to see £600 per month go on sainsburys & petrol16:19
* oimon notices Mr A R popey as the top reviewer on amazon for the Aspire revo r360016:29
popeyhaha16:30
popeythats one of only two items I think I've ever reviewed16:30
popeythe other was an HP printer16:30
oimonthe r3700 is the one to get now right?16:30
popeyi think there's a newer one than that actually16:31
popeymaybe not16:31
popeythere's an ebuyer branded thing isnt there?16:31
oimoni've seen ehttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/23657916:32
oimoni need to get one to sit alongside my onelan signage screens16:32
Seeker`credit cards are useful for getting a credit record16:44
Seeker`if you don't have a credit record and need to borrow money companies tend to just peer at you suspiciously16:44
X3Nanyone here a fan of Meego (netbook)?16:45
popeyhttp://tumbleweed.popey.com/16:47
oimoni'd liek to see that tumbleweed moving16:48
popeypatches welcome16:49
oimoni don't think meego would work on my eee 70116:49
DJonesBetter tumbleweed http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/tumbleweed.gif/16:50
oimon:D just needs sound16:50
popeydone16:52
popeysomeone better at html / css can make it scale properly :)16:53
ixxvilhi16:53
Seeker`bah, tumbleweed is blowing the wrong way!16:53
Seeker`They tumble from left to right. always.16:53
ixxvilError mounting: mount exited with exit code 13: $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).16:54
ixxvilFailed to mount '/dev/sdh1': Input/output error16:54
ixxvilgetting these errors when i moutn an ext hdd16:54
ixxvili connected it to a different laptop and it worked16:54
popeySeeker`: flip your screen upside down16:55
davmor2Seeker`: No you are just sat the wrong side of the monitor16:55
oimonwow that hurts my CPU16:55
kirrusixxvil: is it running NFTS?16:55
ixxvilyes it is16:55
kirrushttp://wmarkito.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/how-to-fix-mftmirr-does-not-match-mft-record-0/16:55
ixxvilNTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a....16:55
kirrusOr in other words.. let me google that for you ;)16:55
ixxvilgives me a bunch of directions16:55
popeythere are two instructions there16:56
popeyinstall ntfsprogs16:57
popeyrun ntfsfix16:57
Seeker`popey: http://pastebin.com/EQ5wHBp016:58
popeyhah16:58
oimonanyone using a type of kiosk mode on ubuntu?16:59
ixxvilthanks16:59
ixxvilalso how do i do backups16:59
ixxvilis it advisable to just copy the whole lot to a dvd or something?16:59
Seeker`popey: \o/16:59
popeyixxvil: deja-dup is a nice backup tool17:00
ixxvilok what does it do17:01
ixxvili mean it backs it up where though17:01
popeywhere you tell it :)17:01
MartijnVdSCan I teach unity to only show installed packages/programs?17:06
MartijnVdS(and not the "Available for download" bit)17:06
ixxvilthanks17:06
ixxvilusually backup tools are it just saves all your files to somewhere you tell it to right?17:06
ixxvilit's the same like writing to a disc isnt it?17:06
ixxvilif i just get the whole hdd copied to a dvd or something, should work out right?17:07
selinuxiumHmmm.... Anyone got any experience with grub rescue???17:11
ixxvilnvm17:13
ixxvilthanks17:13
davmor2selinuxium: Nope but there is some good docs,  I'll see if I can find it for you if you want?17:13
selinuxiumdavmor2, been reading a doc but isn't helpful... I am getting unknown file system...  think my linux parts are encryted..17:16
selinuxiumdavmor2, everything showing as (hd0,msdos6) down to 1....17:16
davmor2selinuxium: ah pass then sorry17:17
selinuxiumdavmor2, np  :)17:18
selinuxiumdavmor2, if it is too much bother I will just rebuild...17:18
davmor2selinuxium: there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows17:21
davmor2selinuxium: from grub what happens if you login to rescue mode or is that what you meant?17:22
selinuxiumit boots into grub rescue... i have the first link... will look at the second link... :)17:23
selinuxiumbooting froma live cd to find which part the /boot is actually held..17:24
davmor2selinuxium: so you are dropping into grub rescue shell yes rather than booting?17:26
czajkowskiok computer why are you randomly rebooting for no reason17:29
czajkowskiwhat so ever17:29
selinuxiumdavmor2, yes... Just tried a manual restore of grub...17:31
selinuxiumfinger crossed17:31
* selinuxium does a little dance... :) 17:34
kvarleyWhat program can I use to shrink a DVD9 disc DVD to a DVD5 disc size?17:34
selinuxiumdavmor2, Sorted  :)17:34
selinuxiumdavmor2, that second link helped! cheers...17:34
davmor2selinuxium: Huzzah17:34
davmor2kvarley: k9copy, dvd9517:35
selinuxiumhandbrake?17:35
kvarleydavmor2: Thanks so much! I will try them out17:35
kvarleyselinuxium: I don't want to play with settings, just want to shrink the iso like dvdshrink does. Thanks for the suggestion tho! :)17:36
davmor2selinuxium: handbrake copies it to hd in a format that you won't only doesn't it?17:36
selinuxiumdavmor2, yeah, I think so...17:37
Azelphuromg, I still have that missing text issue even after a reboot17:49
ali1234funny how its just random letters17:58
ali1234if it was all the 'o' it would make more sense17:58
ali1234beginning to wonder if 2.6.28 has some weird memory corruption bug17:58
ali1234i mean 2.6.3817:59
shaunoit'd be pretty strange for memory corruption to be restricted to freetype18:03
ali1234true18:04
ali1234unless it's very rare18:04
ali1234ie it's not restricted18:04
shaunoif it's still just hitting his fonts after a reboot, it's not that rare18:05
Azelphurmy inspiron duo arrives tomorrow, exciting :p18:20
Azelphurhttp://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu says Ubuntu has "Built-in virus protection", what protection is built in? o.O18:27
kvarleyAzelphur: Read only access to the important parts of the filesystem?18:28
Azelphurthat's more of a resistance than a protection o.O18:28
kvarleyAzelphur: Hehe well idk18:28
Azelphurwhen you say built in protection it usually means there's a built in scanner18:28
hamitronbbl, pub, voting, pub18:30
davmor2Azelphur: it actually say defence against viruses not an anti-virus,  so AA, separate root, zero open port by default etc are all defences against viruses18:41
AzelphurI suppose :)18:42
DeathSlingAnyone know anything about vmbuilder?  I have it working on another host (a test host) but I can't get it to work this time round, wondered if it may be to do with a python release (I think I once saw something about it)19:04
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: ping19:39
TheOpenSourcererpong czajkowski19:46
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: want 2 tikcets for the rugby this weekend in twickenham ?19:46
czajkowskiArmy V Navy ?19:46
TheOpenSourcererOooh - hang on a mo. Let me just check? What day/time?19:47
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: saturday19:50
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: http://armynavymatch.org/19:50
awilkinsok, UK voters can I ask favour i) if youve not voted yet, please do and ii) can you get snap of the QR code on your ballot paper for me?19:50
TheOpenSourcererczajkowski: Blast - I can't make it I'm afraid - thanks for asking though - looks like a good day out.19:51
awilkinsI only thought about it after I voted, sadly19:51
Azelphurno pirate party in my area so I cbf to vote :(19:51
awilkinsDon't even want to vote in AV referendum?19:52
awilkins(thats what the QR code is on)19:52
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: no worries19:52
Ellipsis753I've been trying to play a video with vlc, it really lags every few seconds, from terminal I go libva: va_openDriver() returns -1, suggesting that it can't work with my nvidia card. Any idea what I should do? I'd quite like to be able to play HD videos. Apparently I should ask here.19:58
gingname stealer19:58
gingi got confused as i thought i was talking but it wasnt me19:59
ubuntuuk-planet[Alistair McKinlay] Future plans for this blog - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/05/future-plans-for-this-blog/20:19
MattJawilkins: I'm not sure I saw a QR code on my AV ballot20:42
awilkinsThere was one on the left of mine, between the lines. It seemed to have more data than average - one of the larger capacity ones. Wish I'd thought of snapping it there and then.20:43
AlanBellpopey: boo20:58
minargeboo to you too20:58
AlanBellwe have a team meeting scheduled for aroundabout nowish20:59
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popeyevening21:43
popeyoops21:43
* czajkowski hugs popey 21:43
MartijnVdSevening popey :)21:44
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dmdrummondHas anyone had a problem in Natty where when a window should be fullscreen it appears with a gap between the panel at the top about the size of a titlebar, and the mouse doesn't send click events where the mouse is pointing, but offset by the width of a titlebar?  It seems to happen randomly.  I also find some windows trying to appear offscreen.22:23
* MartijnVdS points in the general direction of gord 22:23
jibadeehadmdrummond, yes this happens to me when fiddling with compiz settings in ccsm22:25
dmdrummondjibadeeha: just found a bug in launchpad which sounds similar, bug 77276222:27
lubotu3Launchpad bug 772762 in unity (Ubuntu) "evolution mail offset when maximizing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77276222:27
* brobostigon wonders why ##politics-uk isnt buzzing,22:27
dmdrummondI love bots22:27
jibadeehathanks dmdrummond22:27
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: because you're alone in the channel? :P22:27
brobostigonMartijnVdS: 7 peopleintheir, but i was thinking peoplewould want to talk aboutthings.22:28
MartijnVdSOoh USN-1111-122:29
dmdrummondjibadeeha: added a comment and a screenshot22:32
TheOpenSourcererpopey: AlanBell czajkowski and anyone else near enough to Farnham: http://digitalsurreymay.eventbrite.com/22:38
popeyooo22:39
jibadeehadmdrummond, that is exactly what happens to me when using ccsm ... i have to log out and back in to sort it out .. the only difference is that the top panel goes blank .. thankfully i don't use ccsm frequently22:39
TheOpenSourcererRight. Time for bed said zebedee.22:40
TheOpenSourcererNN all.22:40
brobostigongood night TheOpenSourcerer22:40
TheOpenSourcererI hope YOU ALL voted.22:40
brobostigonyes.22:40
dmdrummondjibadeeha: usually just unmaximising and remaximising sorts it out for me.  Unity keyboard shortcuts are soooo useful.22:41
wintellectdoes unity support the standard gnome applets? If so, how do I access them?23:15
DeathSling1dont know, sorry.23:48
wintellectthanks DeathSling23:49
* hamitron burps23:51
DeathSling1unity, is that the gave dev package?23:51
DeathSling1game, not gave23:51
hamitronhas anyone here replaced capacitors on their motherboards that often?23:54
DeathSling1never tried. Dont know an awful lot but I would have thought you'd need to be very careful with the heat23:56
hamitronyeh, I was just wondering if anyone knew the most popular reasons why they pop to start with23:57
hamitronI'm guessing bad PSU or shit caps23:57
hamitronpoor quality rather23:58
DeathSling1possibly heat again.  Servers tend to be very fanned23:58
DeathSling1but like i said i dont really know what i'm talking about23:59

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