[01:19] [Alan Bell] Speak to me! - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/05/speak-to-me/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=speak-to-me [01:44] why does http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu say "built-in virus protection" ? XD [01:44] what built in virus protection does Ubuntu have/need? [02:04] AlanBell: around? [04:46] Azelphur: Its just marketing, if your looking for an alternative operating system... then your clearly either a Mac or Windows user wanting to run away from viruses... it's a play on words, if they say "Built-in virus protection" what they really mean is that the security is tighter on a Linux/Ubuntu system... so having troubles with viruses is reduced down to a minimal (viruses do still exist for Linux/Unix just not as many!) [04:48] you've gotta remember, viruses do still exist, and well if you install Wine... your still susceptible to viruses - however nothing is ever given "execute" permissions by default [04:49] you could argue Wine is technically sandboxed... but well I've noticed that a default Install of Wine gives wine permissions to folders such as the music/documents/videos folders [04:49] so if you have things in those folders, and you open up a virus... technically the information on those files could become corrupted or worse... however the advantage to Wine is that nothing in Wine can run on start-up [04:50] (not unless you set something to run on startup) [04:50] (i.e. scripts etc) [04:52] also, files that have viruses (windows-based) injected to files will not run on linux unless your using those files with Wine... and even then I'm not sure how that would work exactly [04:53] This is partly the reason why I've made a separate folder in my Home directory called "Wine" and inside that I have Documents, Music, Videos, etc so instead of giving it room to play it, its once again sandboxed out [04:54] but that might just be paranoia on my part [04:54] plus the fact that I don't tend to use Wine except for games I buy off steam [06:17] You have to work quite hard to get Wine to do viruses [06:17] but it can be done [06:18] lol [06:27] right lets see if I can figure out how to setup the printer on my server... [06:27] HazRPG: just "Connect to server" from the desktop CUPS admin tool [06:28] HazRPG: maybe set up some ACL to allow that, but I wouldn't go mucking about with editing /etc/cups/printers.conf myself [06:31] stgraber: hi [06:31] MartijnVdS: Hmm, you've lost me [06:31] MartijnVdS: I was reading through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/cups.html [06:33] HazRPG: that would work [06:34] HazRPG: but instead of the web interface, you can use "Connect to server" in the System -> Administration -> Printers ap[p [06:53] MartijnVdS: Yeah, for some reason I can't connect that way... was the first thing I tried... seems a config setting somewhere it stopping it. [06:54] MartijnVdS: I've just made sure that CUPS on my server is set to listen on its IP address... but still no joy, its just not allowed to auth. [07:00] HazRPG: so allow it :)\ [07:01] MartijnVdS: does this look about right? http://goo.gl/etCsA [07:01] HazRPG: ah wait.. does the web interface work? [07:01] nope ^_^ [07:02] HazRPG: even if you follow the Ubuntu wiki guide? [07:02] MartijnVdS: "403" [07:02] cool [07:02] I have no idea then, sorry [07:02] * MartijnVdS has a printer with a network port [07:02] (much easier) [07:02] lol === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 5th May 21:00 BST #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Vote today on AV and Council Elections [07:32] MartijnVdS: Woot! Think I've finally installed my printer to my server ;D [07:32] just printing off a test page now [07:33] \o/ [07:45] now I just need to see if I can get it install on all the clients now :) [07:49] Hmm, is there not a way to limit who can fiddle with the settings... or are the settings on a client-by-client basis? [07:51] HazRPG: username/password I think [07:51] but some bits are per-client [07:51] wow, this is more responsive then when it use to be on samba :o [07:52] HazRPG: try the CUPS docs if you want some.. *cough*light*cough* reading [08:12] Morning [08:46] Aloha [08:48] Morning czajkowski, seems a long time since you've been around (or maybe I've been asleep), how are you feeling now [08:50] DJones: not bad thanks === madfish is now known as danfish [08:52] Thats good to hear, you seem to have been through the wringer lately [08:52] I have a weird problem. I installed 11.04 on my twin screen system and now both screens seem completely independent, almost like 2 separate systems. Any ideas? [08:52] morning all [08:53] mouse will move between screens, but can't drag windows... [08:54] sounds like you have set up separate xscreens rather than using something like twinview [08:54] gord: you could be right. I'm a recent convert to Linux, so a bit of a n00b :) [08:55] gord: aren't you glad I reminded you about the pg tips [08:56] gord: I shall give it a bit of a thorough Googling. Thanks for the pointer [09:02] czajkowski, very :) although they have a starbucks down the road too [09:03] :) [09:04] Hello, world! [09:06] aww maaaan, i lost my membership in launchpad-bugcontrol [09:06] now i can't edit any bug on launchpad :( [09:06] * TheOpenSourcerer thinks JamesTait must be learning a new programming language [09:07] :-P [09:07] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm trying a variety, in the hope that I'll find one that makes my boys do as they're told. ;) [09:07] Ahh - if you find it let me know will you. [09:07] "sudo tidy your room" isn't working. [09:08] And I tried to file a bug, but I couldn't find the project bug tracker. [09:09] i think you are the bug tracker ;) === JamesTait is now known as bugzilla === bugzilla is now known as JamesTait [09:10] why does google docs hate me so! [09:10] gord: If you can't edit bugs now, does that make life eaier and quieter [09:15] no because i can edit some bugs ;) just when things are filed wrong or i need to edit quicky a bug on some other project, its more of a pain [09:18] I think I will go cast a vote [09:20] morning all [09:20] anyone know which browsers in XP support websockets? [09:22] nvm - latest chrome seems to work :) [09:26] * oimon wonders why people still vote in person rather than postal voting, where you receive all the ballot papers up front, and you have time to decide [09:28] odd.... my laptop has decided to reboot itself all on it;s own now twice this morning. For no reason. [09:28] oimon: Surely if you vote in person, you have longer to decide because you don't need to send the vote off earlier [09:29] * czajkowski needs to go find her place to vote [09:29] DJones: depends when you receive the info on all the candidates. quite often it is when you turn up at the ballot box [09:29] when i voted for london mayor, i seem to remember it was some AV style system [09:30] oimon: Ah, we get plenty of blue bin spam in the run up === odysseus is now known as Guest93295 [09:30] Blue bin being recycling [09:31] i've missed votes in the past due to sudden change of plans in the evening [09:31] we can vote? [09:32] what are we voting on this time? celebrities again? [09:32] czajkowski: is it overheating? [09:32] the yestoAV crowd would have you believe that you are voting for celebs [09:33] based on the spam i received from them [09:33] i received no yes2av spam [09:33] well they picked the worst possible celebs [09:33] apart from one man handing out flyers on cornmarket street yesterday who i ignored [09:33] i received it in the post [09:34] my wife never receives these things, i think it's because they know it doesn't annoy her [09:35] .. anti virus? [09:38] * Laney sprints off to the polling station [09:40] on a different topic, i'm trying to work out why attachmate bought novell in the first place [09:42] because it thinks it will increase stockholder value [09:43] good morning everyone. [09:43] which bits? i never really understood how novell made money in recent years [09:43] morning ratfans! [09:43] morning rat [09:44] morning oimon, popey and AlanBell . [09:44] bonjour# [09:49] anyone know how i can make an alternating white/blue background on an openoffice sheet without lots of donkey work? [09:49] e.g. row 1 white , row 2 blue, etc [09:50] oimon: perl -MSpreadsheet::WriteExcel' [09:50] :P [09:50] * MartijnVdS checks [09:51] oimon: I think you can cobble something together with AutoFormat [09:51] (it might be called something else, I'm back-translating from Dutch) [09:51] oimon: Format -> AutoFormat... [09:55] MartijnVdS: hey that seems to work [09:55] thanks [09:55] i create a format style for a few cells, then under autoformat create new format and then apply it :D [09:57] oimon: Spreadsheet guru, I bow to you [09:57] isn't that what i'm suposed to say? [09:58] i'm creating my year-end budget 3months early :S [10:02] oimon: I only know the names of the features [10:02] oimon: I don't know how to use them properly [10:08] morning all. I upgraded to 11.04 yesterday to find X wont run and syslog message I am getting suggests that I should try module parameter 'video.allow_duplicates=1'. I don't know where to change this parameter. please point me in the right direction [10:09] !bootoptions [10:09] For a list and explanation on some of the boot options, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions [10:09] wait, that's for the live CD [10:10] urbanbush: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Editing Menus During Boot [10:10] urbanbush: that's where you edit it -- add it after the "splash" bit on the "linux" line [10:12] Dank u Martijn [10:17] geen probleem, urbanbush [10:54] Ng! you around? [10:54] gord: no I'm asquare [10:54] ho ho ho [10:54] what's up? [10:54] ↑ [10:55] Ng: that's up [10:55] thanks for helping me get up [10:55] hi. i am trying to run ubuntu 10.04 on the hosted server. i use desktop always. but my ISP does not supports the tools around ubuntu. they supports Centos mainly [10:55] it's a necessary prerequisite for getting down [10:55] * Ng gets down [10:55] jump up jump up and get down! [10:55] i am left with the ssh login only. but on the other side CentOS is a real pain in terms of getting all the tools i need. [10:56] time for a different ISP, I guess? :) [10:56] any suggestions advise? [10:58] Ng, i can't figure out a good workflow for maximising terminals in terminator. normally i just have a bunch of terminals open and navigate around them but on my netbook i really only have space for one, so i want to zoom it, do my stuff, then be able to switch to my other terminals [10:58] i wonder why the centos market share for server is so high compare to ubuntu. is the centos is long enough in the market? who else is hosting ubuntu server 10.04 e.g. here in UK? [10:59] devush: Centos is like red hat, which has been in the "corporate support"/enterprise market for way longer than Ubuntu has [10:59] devush: that said, there are loads of VPS providers that offer Ubuntu VPSes [10:59] devush: and/or just leave the choice up to the customer [10:59] Hello people ! [11:00] MartinjVdS:yes mine is also supporting 10.04 LTS compare to 4 versions of Centos. but with ubuntu just the ssh. with centos lots of control panels e.g. from Parallel to control the server [11:00] gord: hmm. I do have to say that the typical workflow is lots of terminals all visible, but I do use ^X a lot to bring little ones up to full size to work in [11:01] devush: No idea about that. I tend to not need anything besides ssh to control my server :) [11:01] gord: keyboard navigation is a blind alley of failure, don't use that, but maybe try the built-in sloppy terminal focussing and ctrl-shift-x [11:02] devush: thats nothing to do with ubuntu vs centos, that's down to the provider [11:03] MartinjnVdS: yes. i think is again talk to back on the command line stuff. i have not really used the linux and commandline as i stuck with the big company for last 10-12 year. i used to be a web master and solaris administrator. [11:03] Ng, ctrl+shift+z/x seems to be working well, thanks :) [11:06] gord: z is intended to be mostly to show people what's happening in a tiny little term, where x is about getting all the useful workspace [11:06] gord: but that's just me :) [11:10] Does anybody have a prefered WordPress plugin for Google Maps? [11:19] [Jono Bacon] LoCo Directory: Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/05/05/loco-directory-next-steps/ [11:20] it is possible toreverse engineer a qr back, into the text that made it? [11:20] qr code* [11:21] brobostigon: yes [11:21] MartijnVdS: elaborate please. [11:22] 1 sec phone [11:22] ok. [11:22] http://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx [11:22] those people make a barcode decoding library (for photos etc., as it's used on phones) [11:22] and they have an on-line decoder that can read the text in a QR code [11:24] thank you MartijnVdS :) [11:25] MartijnVdS: i am trying to figure out todays googlenexus puzzle, http://www.google.com/nexus/challenge2/manpdkeho.html [11:25] that looks like it's several QR codes in one. [11:25] one for each colour [11:26] or maybe some colour mixes (blue + yellow = green?) [11:27] because i always thought, the whole qr needs to be a singlecolour. [11:27] brobostigon: that is correct [11:27] http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190502910035&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:GB:1123 [11:27] interesting device [11:27] brobostigon: so what you do: take this picture, make all blue (and green) pixels black, scan [11:27] brobostigon: then take the original picture, do the same with yellow/green [11:27] etc. [11:27] popey: but is it supported in Linux? [11:28] MartijnVdS: yes, interesting idea, i onder whoe to do it though. [11:28] popey: (my card works but apparently there's a driver bug -- it tells some chip to add too much white noise before tuning, making tuning impossible. Or something :|) [11:28] brobostigon: gimp, play with the colour/saturation bits :) [11:28] brobostigon: or magic select + paint bucket [11:28] MartijnVdS: ah, :) [11:29] no gimp, need to install it. [11:30] popey: apparently, it works: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Technisat_SkyStar_USB_2_HD_CI [11:30] uhrm [11:30] no [11:30] "Currently unsupported" [11:30] popey: stop tempting me with tech gadgets [11:30] ah.. "it works" for some people [11:31] it works in 2.6.39 [11:31] popey: I love how it requires a "Sound blaster compatible sound card" [11:31] i just spoke to a friend who has one [11:32] popey: stop tempting me :P [11:32] :) [11:37] popey: I'd want the CI-capable version though, and those cost twice as much :( [11:48] MartijnVdS: or could i justchange the different colour channels, back to black? [11:48] brobostigon: as long as what's now becomes black (white?) and the other colours become white (black?), it shuold work [11:49] brobostigon: at least, I think that's it [11:49] MartijnVdS: hmm, i think i see, this is my first time using gimp. [11:53] brobostigon: no better time to learn :P [11:54] MartijnVdS: simply to win a phone. [11:57] or i have to much time on my hands, either way. [11:59] bah, I'm ill, do I bother going out to vote? [11:59] yes, you do [12:00] gimp isnt friendly. [12:00] MartijnVdS: am ill enough to stay home from work [12:01] Seeker`: are you sick enough of FPTP :) [12:01] not really [12:01] remember: if you stay at home you don't get to complain about it if you don't like the outcome ;P [12:01] I must be weird but I understand d'Hondt better than AV [12:02] Myrtti: You're Finnish, right? Your words have checksums. No wonder you understand weird voting systems ;) [12:02] lol [12:02] yeah, äöy can't be in the same words as aou... [12:03] I guess it makes sense [12:03] my brain is wired differently [12:03] :) [12:04] Myrtti: http://i.imgur.com/kk2lZ.jpg :) [12:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uet4f3QwRQw&feature=related [12:06] popey: I think that my lack of not-understanding go deeper than 1-2-3 [12:07] Myrtti: Have you ever seen Debian's voting system? [12:07] i give up, i cant get it. [12:07] is it CIVS? [12:07] The count the "1" votes. if noone has 50%, they disregard the lowest candidate, and recount the votes, but if someone voted for the removed candidate their 2nd vote is used [12:08] etc. etc. until someone has greater than 50% of the vote [12:08] or until you run out of votes to transfer [12:10] ooooo voting discussion. [12:10] well, I'm so confused with the British voting system anyway and the party politics that my interest in the AV is purely theoretical. [12:10] *thrilling* isn't it! [12:10] so who's voting no? [12:10] I understand it's better than FPTP, but the underlying mechanics are bewildering [12:11] MooDoo: tories? [12:11] MartijnVdS: yes i know that :D [12:12] Be good to discuss the process, but lets not get into the specifics of who is voting which way [12:13] Myrtti: Debian's voting works like this: http://seehuhn.de/pages/vote [12:14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method) [12:15] I don't think AV will work unless most of the population understands that "coalition" means that the party will have to compromise [12:15] We've never had anything but a coalition here in .nl [12:15] So it _is_ possible :) [12:16] most of this governments term so far has been filled with whining by lib dems that they aren't getting all of their manifesto promises, without actually understanding that they didn't _win_ the election [12:16] Seeker`: but neither dit the other guys [12:17] No, but the other guys didn't get everything they wanted, and they got a larger number of seats too [12:17] FPTP FTW! [12:18] I just filed bug 777759, wonder who will get 777777 [12:18] Launchpad bug 777759 in casper (Ubuntu) "10.10 live CD prompts to upgrade to 11.04" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/777759 [12:18] TheOpenSourcerer: try saying that 10 times fast :) [12:18] yes, say it 10 times [12:18] in ##politics [12:18] :p [12:18] popey: 8-) [12:19] ##politics-uk :) [12:19] * popey notes brobostigon says that every single time I say ##politics [12:20] research has proven that endless reiteration of people's opinion via twitter does not make any difference [12:20] :) [12:21] proportional d'Hondt ♥ [12:21] i had one of these last night. for a supermarket jar curry. wow http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/articles.aspx?page=articles&ID=216769 [12:21] MartijnVdS: so I've even voted on a couple of concordet elections for Ubuntu related stuff, but it still doesn't make much sense in the UK parliamentary election connection. But then again, Finland is a small country and our system works fine for us. Probably impossible for the UK [12:21] *hot* [12:21] \o/ yay for exobuzz changing the subject [12:22] double yay for it being curry [12:22] hehe [12:22] this thing hasnt lost any heat during processing by the body. [12:22] exobuzz: i find that curry paste+tomatoes makes a much more authentic tasting sauce, for similar effort expended [12:23] oimon, sometimes im drunk and lazy, but i have a cupboard full of spices and make my own garam masala etc [12:23] (in a coffee grinder). coffee made in it tastes extra special after [12:23] hmm [12:23] "special" [12:24] exobuzz: http://twitpic.com/4evxfi [12:25] but that jar sauce is worth a try. i was thinking "how hot can it really be". [12:25] hmm i notice spotify now has a counter in the corner, telling me how long this month i have used it..until 10hrs cutoff point [12:25] TheOpenSourcerer, very nice. what sorts? (cant read the labels) [12:25] Now they are quite a bit bigger. [12:25] * oimon can't eat food containing chilli since the age of 27 :( [12:25] TheOpenSourcerer, i planted some habenero seeds the other day. a little late i guess but hopefully a long hot summer :) [12:26] http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/01/29/ot-the-return-of-the-chillies/ [12:26] I start mine at the end of Jan. [12:26] dorset naga. jolokia. your gonna be on fire [12:26] you're [12:26] :-D [12:27] I am now going off to vote and get some lunch. [12:27] All this talk of food. [12:27] i grew some purira chillies that i really enjoyed some yaers ago. something like that. very nice flavour and each plant was plentiful [12:27] oh yeh. voting. must go and do that [12:27] I might get some chillies now I've got a greenhouse [12:28] * brobostigon plans to, at somepoint this afternoon. [12:28] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/mark-shuttleworth-talks-windicators-changes-for-unity-in-oneiric-and-whole-lot-more [12:28] for those who didn't catch it already [12:28] thanks. [12:29] "Are you satisfied with Unity in the recent Ubuntu version ?" Yes.. - oh dear [12:30] More money than sense, that one :P [12:30] Heh, I wonder if I can get commission for them quoting my question & his answer [12:30] well, yes if you see how far they've come..no if you think it's finished [12:30] repost. but am i satisfied with unity. not quite. could you change those icons sizes based on screen res please! http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/unity2.png [12:30] (my joggler) [12:31] mouse accessibility is still broken in natty. they just need to downgrade mousetweaks. taking their time :( [12:31] "We’ll work out the details in round two." - this is why i'm staying with lucid for now - natty is vista [12:32] overlay scrollbars are terrible and dont work well on touchscreens too. [12:32] Xubuntu ♥ [12:32] Myrtti, no gvfs though right? i like the simplicity though [12:32] "windicators" hmm. im not convinced about this [12:33] exobuzz: no, but I have no or little use of it anyway - nothing that commandline script couldn't do [12:34] exobuzz: you can of course install plugins that replicate the bulk of the gvfs work or install gvfs being as it is gtk+ based not sure what else of gnome that would pull in though [12:35] because i like the classic desktop style, xfce might be a choice depending on what happens at ubuntu. or i might go back to linux mint. [12:35] i like the mint menu, although it could be a bit leaner and quicker to load [12:36] exobuzz: tried unity2d on joggler? [12:37] popey, yep. thats the screenshot [12:37] oh [12:37] 3d unity doesnt work with emgd as with other opengl apps. [12:38] popey, it works, but since you cant use applets, not brightness control in the menubar [12:38] cant you whitelist the applet? [12:38] i actually find the classic desktop easier to use on the joggler still [12:38] e.g. skype is whitelisted [12:39] popey, i dunno, i thought applets just didnt work fullstop? is there documentation on getting things working ? [12:39] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/how-to-hide-or-show-app-tray-applets-in-ubuntu-11-04/ [12:40] popey: you'll get shuned if you use omgubuntu links [12:40] popey, is this just for systray apps or it works with actual applets too? [12:40] i guess i can try it [12:40] thanks [12:43] davmor2: meh [12:43] davmor2: find me the documentation on an "official" site and I'll use that [12:43] to sort of people than shun for using certain links are the sort of people than shun ubuntu users for not using a more l33t linux distro :D [12:43] popey: I'm teasing I do it all the time and get whinged at :) [12:44] popey: http://askubuntu.com/questions/30742/how-do-i-access-and-enable-more-icons-to-be-in-the-system-tray/30748#30748 [12:44] brilliant, thanks! [12:44] * popey upvotes [12:46] popey, you can try unity 2d on my latest natty image on the joggler. would be interested in seeing what you think. i find the classic menus still quicker to navigate on the joggler touchscreen [12:46] notification area! [12:47] YES! THAT! [12:48] I wonder if it's still called that in Gnome 3. It doesn't notify you of much. [12:48] the "pssst have you heard? shhhhh" area [12:49] the "LOOK AT ME, I'M SKYPE" area [12:49] Dave2: yes, it is, but it does much more now, it holds applets aswell. [12:49] Dave2: no it technically doesn't exist in gnome3 honest notifications come from the bottom of the screen [12:50] davmor2: it's still there when you move the mouse to the bottom-right [12:50] Dave2: or pops up, when you get a noitifivation, or an applet comes alive. [12:51] Dave2: still less than informative [12:51] anyone still think lastpass is safe? [12:51] You mean now they might have been hacked? [12:51] yeah [12:51] brobostigon: I thought the notification itself appeared at the bottom, but the area didn't. [12:51] oimon: yes [12:52] Dave2: both are true, it pops up there, and live in the bottom to bottom right. [12:52] (I've been using it on my desktop for a while now, after accidentally replacing Gnome 2 with it. I was trying to find out whether I found it more tolerable than Unity. Which thankfully I do.) [12:53] (However I'm currently at work where I'm running Gnome 2 so am going from memory.) [12:54] Dave2: Now I'm the other way round, I found gnome shell really nice in comparison with unity in 10.10 but now much prefer unity over gnome shell in 11.04 [12:55] I didn't give Unity too much of a chance, but I now can't give it any, what with having replaced Gnome 2. But it just annoyed me to work with it. Maybe being stuck in Gnome 3's forced me to adapt to it, and if I did the same with Unity I'd also be fine. [12:56] But then, I'd have to familiarize myself with multiple interfaces, as I'm not going to be running Ubuntu everywhere. (This machine's Fedora.) [13:01] Dave2: classic gnome is still an option from the login screen in natty [13:01] Not when you've accidentally replaced Gnome 2 with Gnome 3 it's not. (And nor is Unity. Well, both are options listed, neither work.) [13:03] oh, i didn't realise it was possible to actually replaceit [13:04] gnome3 has the biggest, most useless title bars i've ever seen [13:05] most useless? [13:12] Dave2: From what I've read, Unity & Gnome 3 are incompatible at the moment [13:12] in 11.04, yes [13:13] popey: Yes, sorry, should have added that bit [13:14] DJones: exactly my point [13:16] Great deal at Tesco express for lunch. Ch. Tikka Masala & Pilau Rice £2.59p, 6 x O.Bhaji £1.00 [13:17] * bigcalm wallows in his chicken meat 'n chips [13:18] TheOpenSourcerer: on a diet again ;) [13:18] lol [13:18] Smothered in freshly chopped habanero chilli. [13:19] * danfish hides my pastie and monster munch lunch [13:19] The chilli adds lots of important vitamins. 500x Viit C. of an Orange apparently [13:19] TheOpenSourcerer: and a portion of your five a day :) [13:20] Ignoring the phone while on lunch is so much fun [13:20] twitter needs a politics filter :( [13:20] TheOpenSourcerer, nice! hungry now : [13:20] \o/ pizza [13:20] + habanero chilli. lol [13:20] pizza yay [13:22] * danfish has just got to finish some websockety stuff and then it's semi-automatic chilli watering system time:) [13:22] I have no lunch [13:22] and there is nobody in my office :( [13:22] so I can't leave [13:22] I do however have a can of relentless :) [13:22] KrisDouglas: have something delivered to the office [13:22] No delivery places are open in the daytime in Stone [13:23] what does relentless taste like? [13:23] all those energy drinks seem to taste of chemicals [13:23] Slightly sharper than red bull. [13:23] eww [13:24] It tastes like apple juice [13:24] kinda. [13:24] red bull tastes of nasty with added tcp [13:24] I don't like red bull. [13:24] TCP/RB ? [13:25] rootbeer? [13:25] I tend to only drink tea and squash :P [13:26] when i was little i liked the peanuts strip so i went to mcdonalds and bought a rootbeer cos thats what snoopy liked. discovered that it was the basis for the tcp-like taste in redbull [13:26] i wish i hadnt drunk ta whole bottle of wine last night after 2 pints of cider and a pint of stella. [13:26] I don't drnk [13:26] Drink* [13:26] and then posted drunkenly on a forum. need computer breathalyzer [13:26] lol [13:26] Ooh "Help improve Microsoft SQL Server 2008" [13:27] "Yes please microsoft, put an uninstall icon on my desktop for me." [13:28] "port it to linux" [13:28] Good god man. [13:30] Once you get around the slowness of the management studio, it's a relatively usable database platform. Sadly. [13:30] We're moving to postgres or mysql though [13:31] KrisDouglas: except you can't really use it from other OSes [13:31] * brobostigon returns from doing his democratic duty. [13:31] what's the future of mysql ? [13:31] We don't run desktop apps in our office. [13:31] oimon: /dev/null [13:32] it's still the defacto standard her [13:32] oimon, MartijnVdS, I think that's about right [13:32] her=here [13:32]