[00:02] <Randen> MitchM: what company do you work for?
[00:02] <Snicersabc> Nice, well it ended up blocking my own IP for some reason today, so gonna have to figure that out.
[00:02] <MitchM> Randen, "EveronIT"
[00:02] <skyjumper> anyone else freelance here?
[00:03] <MitchM> I do some.
[00:03] <Snicersabc> I do some when I have time.
[00:03] <skyjumper> been a little curious what kind of rates / project prices people are getting
[00:03] <skyjumper> i contract for a couple of small marketing/dev firms who keep claiming they can't charge shit
[00:03]  * Randen does freelance regularly
[00:04] <FunnyLookinHat> I do very little...  too busy w/ the startup I work for  :-/
[00:04] <Randen> i charge $35/hr
[00:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Wish I could more :0
[00:04] <FunnyLookinHat> That's all ?  :)
[00:04] <Randen> but give price breaks on projects as a whole
[00:04] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll usually charge around $50/hour
[00:04] <Randen> im still pretty small time, i can really justify that much yet
[00:04] <FunnyLookinHat> And I'll price break projects, or charge less for more monotonous work (i.e. html vs. php)
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Oh wow - quittin' time
[00:05] <Randen> some of my time is spent researching why shit wont work XD
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> So just don't count those hours..  :)
[00:05] <Randen> fuck that i'd charge more for tedious HTML labor
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> HTML is easy
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> CSS is the pain.
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> JS is the fun.
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok time to get out of here.
[00:05] <FunnyLookinHat> bbl
[00:05] <Randen> picture cropping is annoying
[00:05] <skyjumper> FunnyLookinHat: seconded
[00:05] <Randen> cya
[00:05] <Snicersabc> later
[00:06] <FunnyLookinHat> You all should add this channel to your favs
[00:06] <Randen> done
[00:06]  * skyjumper will be idling
[00:06] <Snicersabc> done
[00:08] <Randen> MitchM: if i shared a google doc with you, could you give me a ballpark on what i should charge a client for a project?
[00:08] <MitchM> Sure.
[00:09] <MitchM> mitchm87@gmail.com
[00:09] <Randen> sweet thanks.. sent
[00:09] <Randen> i had some indian company give me a quote but they are soooooo cheap
[00:09] <Randen> hard to beat their prices
[00:09] <Randen> $15/hr
[00:10] <skyjumper> easy to beat their quality tho >:D
[00:10] <Randen> very
[00:10] <Randen> most people dont see that though
[00:10] <Randen> im off work now, omw home, be back on in a bit
[00:11] <skyjumper> potential client yesterday said she wanted a CMS site for $150
[00:11] <MitchM> Randen, how long will it take you to make the mobile app?
[00:11] <skyjumper> claimed she saw advertisements for that price
[00:29] <MitchM> hah.
[00:29] <MitchM> Randen, depending on how long that mobile app takes to build (not familiar with that) is how I adjust my price.
[00:29] <MitchM> not even here.
[00:29] <MitchM> nvm.
[00:42]  * Randen is back in action
[00:43] <Randen> MitchM: so what would ya pitch a site like that for?
[00:43] <MitchM> myself, probably $500.
[00:43] <MitchM> depends on the client.
[00:43] <MitchM> and mostly on how long the mobile app takes.
[00:43] <Randen> you would use a CMS ya?
[00:43] <MitchM> I wouldn;t
[00:43] <Randen> ive never done a mobile app :P
[00:43] <MitchM> yeah.
[00:43] <MitchM> well, that's the kicker.
[00:43] <MitchM> mobile apps imho are hard
[00:44] <Randen> really $500 though? thats super cheap
[00:44] <MitchM> and i'd charge $3k for this :P
[00:44] <MitchM> well, that's not including the mobile app.
[00:44] <MitchM> yeah. but the site seemed fairly easy
[00:44] <Randen> welll still mobile apps aside
[00:44] <Randen> and if you arent using a pre-built CMS building an inventory managment system is a PITA
[00:45] <MitchM> looks like they are looking for a database with 2 tables
[00:45] <MitchM> and some alerting stuff
[00:45] <MitchM> could do that in a weekend yeah?
[00:45] <Randen> they are programmers so dont go off the Databases section
[00:45] <Randen> arent*
[00:45] <MitchM> kk
[00:45] <Randen> they need an e-commerce site
[00:45] <MitchM> oh.
[00:45] <MitchM> outline didn't really read that.
[00:46] <Randen> selling all those products and shipping them out at regular intervals
[00:46] <MitchM> $1200.
[00:46] <MitchM> with paypal integration.
[00:46] <MitchM> (they pay paypal)
[00:46] <Randen> plus being able to print off those audi sheets with barcodes attached to products
[00:46] <MitchM> and $125/hr for new feature requests.
[00:46] <MitchM> (which is hopefuly where you nickel and dime your revenue)
[00:46] <Randen> ok thats more like it
[00:47] <Randen>             “My First Aid”
[00:47] <Randen>                 Picture of cabinet with items that are currently in customer’s cabinet
[00:47] <Randen>                 Ability to drag and drop items in and out of cabinet
[00:47] <Randen>                 Real time total on the shopping cart w/avg. of last 3 invoices
[00:47] <Randen> thats the part that triggered the "eCommerce" portion in my brain
[00:47] <Randen> even thought they didnt really specify
[00:49] <Randen> MitchM: anyways thanks for the input man, i appreciate it
[00:49] <MitchM> no problem.
[00:49] <MitchM> hope you get it / get paid!
[00:50] <Randen>   hehe me too!
[16:08] <Snicersabc> Good morning Colorado
[16:11] <Snicersabc> Has anyone tried to install Ubuntu on their Android device?
[16:13] <skyjumper> i've got the chrooted, VNC'd ubuntu on my G2
[16:13] <skyjumper> besides being "neat", it isn't too useful
[16:21] <Snicersabc> yeah
[16:21] <Snicersabc> That is what I am doing
[16:21] <Snicersabc> but mysql keeps trying to configure whenever I apt-get install anything
[16:33] <funnylookinhat> oh nice - the idlers stuck around!
[16:33] <funnylookinhat> More idlers = more members in my book :)(
[16:33] <funnylookinhat> *:)
[16:40] <skyjumper> *:) <-- flower in hair?
[17:05] <funnylookinhat> LOL
[17:05] <funnylookinhat> Sure.
[17:11] <MitchM> how cute
[17:13] <funnylookinhat> MitchM, jealous?
[17:13] <funnylookinhat> :D
[17:14] <MitchM> :D
[17:23] <Snicersabc> Back
[17:23] <Snicersabc> Who was it that was using CHROOT ubuntu on their G2?
[17:47] <skyjumper> Snicersabc: me
[17:47] <funnylookinhat> skyjumper, g2 or g2x ?
[17:48] <skyjumper> never heard of g2x
[17:51] <Snicersabc> skyjumper: did you have any issues with mysql on yours?
[17:51] <skyjumper> don't remember, it's been months
[17:52] <skyjumper> can you just remove mysql?
[18:15] <Snicersabc> Nope
[18:16] <Snicersabc> No matter what apt-get command I run it attempts to configure and restart mysql server
[19:45] <MitchM> Snicersabc, you need to apt-get remove mysql
[19:45] <MitchM> Snicersabc, then clear the cache
[19:45] <MitchM> then perhaps just for good measure
[19:45] <MitchM> apt-get update
[19:46] <MitchM> apt-get install <bleh>
[19:49] <FunnyLookinHat> and if that doesn't work try an apt-get purge
[19:50] <MitchM> exactly.
[19:50] <MitchM> the purge command.
[19:56] <FunnyLookinHat> :D
[23:13] <Snicers> Is there anyway to update a server without having to restart it?
[23:51] <FunnyLookinHat> only if you don't have a kernel update
[23:51] <FunnyLookinHat> if you update the kernel you have to restart
[23:53] <Snicers> damn