[00:06] <greg-g> oh, jordon left :/
[01:27] <TeamXlink> Someone else has accessed my gmail account, I've found the address via the IP and changed my password, but what else should I do?
[01:37] <_stink_> TeamXlink: if that same password is used anywhere else, change it in those other places
[01:45] <TeamXlink> Alright, I will.
[01:45] <TeamXlink> Thank you.
[01:45] <TeamXlink> Anything else I should do as well?
[02:15] <greg-g> TeamXlink: make sure to not use non-https sites when transmitting your password
[05:27] <rick_h__> woot, I can haz new mug.org
[05:31] <rick_h__> Blazeix: feature request, anchor tags for the groups and such
[05:32] <rick_h__> hmm, and guess I should write up something new for CHC to help with the branding
[05:35] <Blazeix> rick_h__: where would the anchor tags link to? intrapage links?
[05:35] <rick_h__> yea, just immediatelyh went to link to the CHC group section of the page in irc
[05:35] <rick_h__> like a wiki/docs
[05:35] <rick_h__> guess too used to sphinx docs atm
[05:36] <rick_h__> if I were to use that page to link to a group, it would be cool to grab the anchor to that group on the page
[05:37] <Blazeix> gotcha
[05:42] <Blazeix> rick_h__: ok, poorman's anchor tags: http://www.mug.org/groups/#CHC
[05:42] <Blazeix> I'll get a UI up there in a bit
[05:42] <rick_h__> :) awesome
[05:42] <rick_h__> no hurry obviously. Talk about the finer points
[05:42] <rick_h__> I cheat all the time and use dev tools to inspect for them sans-ui all the time
[05:43] <Blazeix> yeah, I find myself doing that too. specially when sending web documentation to other people
[11:38] <rick_h__> http://blog.lastpass.com/2011/05/lastpass-security-notification.html
[11:38] <rick_h__> I hate humanity that is all... *sigh*
[13:25] <snap-l> rick_h__: I wonder how much of this is fallout from the attacks of last year.
[13:25] <snap-l> ie: we're able to get to blah, so the rest just fall like dominoes
[13:25] <snap-l> On another note, I'm loving how the doomsday scenario for Mono is coming true
[13:25] <snap-l> except it's Oracle and Java, not Microsoft and .Net.
[13:26] <rick_h__> http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/05/google-javascript-chrome/ love this one
[13:26] <rick_h__> snap-l: I have no idea what's up. But at least when it was sony/dsl reports it wasn't crap I used
[13:26] <rick_h__> I moved to lastpass because I was trying to be better about security/passwords
[13:27] <snap-l> rick_h__: I was thinking about it as well
[13:27] <rick_h__> and this whole "they maybe got stuff, but surely not your passwords you store" makes me very very nervous
[13:27] <rick_h__> I mean, sure, the first thing I did was to go redo my master password with 2x the characters
[13:27] <snap-l> and I've come to the determination that the cloud is where you put things that you know will eventually get shared without your permission
[13:27] <rick_h__> but still, it's almost crazy to go change every password I have in lastpassword
[13:57] <wolfger> *yawn*
[13:57] <wolfger> somebody help me stay awake, plz
[13:57] <snap-l> beer
[13:57] <snap-l> at the end of the day, there's beer.
[13:58] <wolfger> beer would put me to sleep
[13:58] <snap-l> right, but the promise of beer should keep you awake
[13:59] <wolfger> and beer at the end of the day does nothing to incent me to stay awake *until* the end of the day... in fact, it makes me want a nap so that the first beer I drink doesn't put me to sleep.
[13:59] <wolfger> ...and I'm already drinking coffee... not good enough
[14:00] <wolfger> 20 oz of coffee and a 5-hour energy, and I'm barely conscious... :-p
[14:01] <snap-l> Man, sometimes I wonder why I get tracking numbers from the post office
[14:02] <snap-l> Got a package that apparently doesn't exist.
[14:02] <snap-l> Oh, nice
[14:03] <snap-l> They're using something called "Newgistics"
[14:03] <snap-l> no wonder the post office has NFC what it is. ;)
[14:03] <wolfger> Newgistics?
[14:03] <wolfger> Because it's new, and not logical?
[14:03] <snap-l> http://www.newgistics.com/
[14:04] <snap-l> http://www.newgistics.com/corp_partners/alliances.aspx <- I <3 the clipart on this page
[14:04] <wolfger> LOL
[14:04] <snap-l> "I'm so strong, I crush your package with my biceps alone"
[14:05] <wolfger> we're going to box <clap> you up!
[14:05] <greg-g> yes, I'm in some sort of hell where I have to seriously consider doing this: http://www.qimacros.com/free-excel-tips/excel-merge-worsheets.html
[14:06] <snap-l> greg-g: Congratulations. You're using Excel for it's intended purpose. ;)
[14:06] <wolfger> $200 for a specialty app? Egads!
[14:06] <snap-l> Um, wait... no, you're not
[14:06] <snap-l> Excel is not mail-merge. :)
[14:06] <wolfger> I don't even like to pay that much for the entire OS
[14:08] <wolfger> http://www3.activestate.com/index.php/email/emailWebview?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRonsqvJZKXonjHpfsX66%2BwoUaCzlMI%2F0ER3fOvrPUfGjI4AS8RmI%2FqLAzICFpZo2FFZGfScaoVT7vRJDg%3D%3D
[14:09] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, kinda, only, merging two things based on a common key would be soooo much more easy with a db, I'm assuming :), this VLOOKUP bs is just nasty
[14:09] <brousch> greg-g: http://www.python-excel.org/
[14:09] <snap-l> greg-g: Yes.
[14:10] <wolfger> I've read that twice, and I still don't understand what an "enterprise cloud platform for Python and Perl applications" really is.
[14:11] <wolfger> I mean.... cgi-bin is a "cloud" platform for perl apps.....
[14:11] <greg-g> brousch: omg!
[14:12] <brousch> yes, it is a beautiful thing
[14:13] <brousch> i use it to parse our 401k exports from quickbooks to csv our provider can understand
[14:28] <jrwren> snap-l: you are actually loving how the doomsday scenario for mono is coming true?
[14:29] <snap-l> No, not at al
[14:29] <jrwren> or you are loving how stupid the internets are to overract, jump to conclusions and trust a suspect news report from an unreliable outlet?
[14:29] <snap-l> but I'm loving that the players aren't who they thought it would be
[14:29] <jrwren> snap-l: OH!... except its oracle and java... zomg I get it now.  U R smart!
[14:29] <jrwren> snap-l: holy shit, I never really thought about just how similar the scenario is!
[14:29] <jrwren> but oracle isn't suing over patents right? they are more abusing the open core model.
[14:30] <snap-l> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/oracle_subpoena_asf_android_harmony/
[14:30] <jrwren> snap-l: high five!
[14:31]  * ColonelPanic001 is about to install Natty (Kubuntu)
[14:31] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Good luck!
[14:32] <snap-l> jrwren: https://twitter.com/#!/squeekyhoho/statuses/66113852651216896
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/05/04/1511253/Chinese-iPad-Factory-Staff-Forced-To-Sign-No-Suicide-Pledge
[14:33] <_stink_> what's the penalty for breaking the pledge?
[14:33] <snap-l> ColonelPanic001: Yeah, that'll work
[14:33] <ColonelPanic001> _stink_: execution
[14:34] <_stink_> how inhumane!
[14:34] <snap-l> _stink_: likely your family won't be compensated
[14:34] <_stink_> gah
[14:34] <snap-l> which could be enough of a deterrent
[14:35] <snap-l> Also, you'd bring dishonor for not obeying the pledge
[14:35] <_stink_> snap-l: bingo, "they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages
[14:35] <_stink_> Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382396/Workers-Chinese-Apple-factories-forced-sign-pledges-commit-suicide.html#ixzz1LU7aQAB1
[14:35] <_stink_> oops
[14:35] <_stink_> sry bad paste
[14:35] <ColonelPanic001> at least you didn't accidently paste filenames of pr0n videos
[14:36] <ColonelPanic001> I haven't done that. >_>
[14:36] <_stink_> or the second chapter of my raunchy romance novel
[14:36] <ColonelPanic001> pastebin plz
[14:37] <snap-l> Nah, chapter 4. Everyone knows the first three chapters are just filler
[14:37] <snap-l> so I've been told
[14:38] <_stink_> i guess i need an editor
[14:39] <ColonelPanic001> :\
[14:39] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1919.png
[15:00] <wolfger> ColonelPanic001: There's something to be said about a factory that even thinks they need a no-suicide pledge for the people who work there.
[15:06] <snap-l> wolfger: ++
[16:16] <snap-l> I <3 working with Java developers that use Windows.
[16:16] <snap-l> Got a lovely little .bat script that I need to modify to make work
[16:17] <brousch> not a beanshell script?
[16:19] <snap-l> Give me a break.
[16:55] <binbrain> these guys have great Ubnutn support http://www.alfa.com.tw/in/front/bin/ptlist.phtml?Category=105415
[17:19] <snap-l> I love it when I see people rate something as 1 out of 5 stars, when they mean to rate it 5 stars
[17:19] <snap-l> Seller was awesome! 1 star!
[17:20] <wolfger> heh
[17:57] <Blazeix> I know this probably isn't the right channel, but oh my god is microsoft's MVC framework awesome.
[17:57] <Blazeix> from what little I've seen so far
[17:58] <Blazeix> they're using the 'dynamic' keyword a lot, so it's basically resembles python coding.
[18:09] <Blazeix> also cool, MVC defaults to using HTML5 and modernizr.js
[18:11] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/h4c23/is_mono_dead_is_novell_dying/c1shs04
[18:11] <snap-l> I can't takes no more
[18:12] <jrwren> Blazeix: it is awesome :)
[18:12] <jrwren> but I haven't seen where MVC3 really uses dynamic a lot.
[18:12] <jrwren> I've seen where Web Pages and Web Matrix use it.
[18:12] <Blazeix> well, I opened up the basic tutorial, and the viewbag is dynamic
[18:13] <Blazeix> so you can go ViewBag.foo = "bar", and foo is available in your view
[18:13] <jrwren> ah, nice.
[18:13] <jrwren> I still like strong types.
[18:13] <Blazeix> so they might not use it extensively, but you're definitely hit in the face with it first thing :)
[18:13] <jrwren> but I guess with Razor being dynamic it makes sense that the view data be dynamic
[18:43] <Milyardo> Hrmmm... I'm slightly uncomfertable with Ubuntu One arbitrarily segmenting access to content over a different medium in the case of its Mobile plan, anyone know the reasoning behind it?
[18:47] <snap-l> The subscriptions?
[18:48] <Milyardo> ?
[18:48] <snap-l> Ubuntu One mobile is subscription based
[18:48] <snap-l> You have to pay 3.99 to use the music client
[18:48] <snap-l> (per month)
[18:48] <jjesse> to stream to my phone i have to pay a month charge?
[18:48] <snap-l> Or you can pay per year
[18:49] <snap-l> and yes. :)
[18:49] <jjesse> bummer i'll stick w/ amazon's cloud player
[18:49] <snap-l> Yeah, I installed the client on my iPhone, and noticed it was a separate charge
[18:49] <snap-l> frankly, that killed the enthusiasm right there
[18:50] <Milyardo> Yeah that was the question, why segment out a subscription model just because I'm acessing content via a different medium?
[18:50] <snap-l> Milyardo: Probably to pay for development of the iphone / android app?
[18:50] <snap-l> Dunno for sure
[18:51] <snap-l> Personally, I'd be happier with paying a little more for the disk space, and getting the streaming as a bonus
[18:51] <snap-l> compared with Drop Box, Ubuntu One is cheaper
[18:51] <Milyardo> Well put a charge for the Application in their repsective Markets I guess then
[18:51] <jjesse> but amazon cloud drive for 20gigs is currently cheaper :)
[18:52] <jjesse> $5 cd and 20 gigs of disk space
[18:52] <snap-l> jjesse: Only a matter of time
[18:52] <jjesse> upload music to my amazon cloud player and then stream for free over my phone
[18:53] <snap-l> jjesse: Just install Ubuntu on your phone. Then you'll have Banshee. ;)
[18:53] <jjesse> i'm sure thats easy :)
[18:54] <brousch> and battery-efficient
[18:55] <snap-l> But it can't hibernate
[19:01] <Milyardo> snap-l: but it boots so quickly!
[19:06] <snap-l> Man, Windows XP's update mechanism on this machine is terrible
[19:06] <snap-l> keeps popping up a "New programs are ready to be installed at xx:xx"
[19:14] <brousch> xx:xx?
[19:14] <snap-l> Time
[19:30] <snap-l> I really hate Java: http://blogs.sun.com/ritzmann/entry/metro_2_0_on_java
[20:03] <snap-l> Also: http://jax-ws.java.net/faq/index.html#2.1with_se5_se6
[21:10] <snap-l> Approaching nerd rage: http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/h4c23/is_mono_dead_is_novell_dying/c1shs04
[21:11] <brousch> wow, i didn't know rackspace was killing slicehost. i just shut down my last slice like 2 months ago
[21:13] <snap-l> Never thought I'd be defending Mono, but I'm getting really tired of people not seeing the bigger threat in front of them
[21:13] <brousch> snap-l: you're frothing
[21:13] <brousch> we might have to have you put down
[21:13] <snap-l> You're damn right I am
[21:14]  * brousch preps the shot gun and looks for a shed
[21:15] <jjesse> can you live stream your explosion?
[21:16] <snap-l> jjesse: Nah, but I'll definitely videotape it
[21:16] <jjesse> awesome
[21:19] <rick_h__> did I miass anything?
[21:19] <snap-l> hey rick_h__
[21:19] <rick_h__> and owwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[21:19] <snap-l> how are things over there?
[21:19] <rick_h__> the frenectomy is hurting more than the wisdom teeth
[21:20] <snap-l> lingual or labial?
[21:20] <_stink_> rick_h__: oh man, major mouth surgery?
[21:21] <rick_h__> well, was all birds with one stone
[21:21] <snap-l> also, wikipedia's frenectomy page? NSFW
[21:21] <rick_h__> and things are starting to wear off, ouch
[21:21] <_stink_> snap-l: thank you for the warning, i was about to click it
[21:21] <rick_h__> ouch
[21:21] <_stink_> rick_h__: wisdom teeth out?
[21:21] <rick_h__> well that explains all the blood
[21:21] <rick_h__> yea, 4 wisdom's and the frenectomy todya
[21:22] <_stink_> damn... i need mine out.
[21:22] <rick_h__> yea, I've put it off for years
[21:22] <rick_h__> and finally had to do it
[21:22] <_stink_> same boat as me.
[21:22] <_stink_> :/
[21:23] <rick_h__> heh, well glad I'm not the last one out there I guess
[21:24] <brousch> frenectomy? you're getting gene simmons tongue?
[21:24] <rick_h__> heh not quite
[21:24] <brousch> i have all my wisdom teeth. they fit fine
[21:24] <rick_h__> getting my lip detached from my gums
[21:24] <rick_h__> 3 of mine are gone sideways
[21:25] <brousch> the dentist complains every cleaning, "i can't get back to those wisdom teeth, you should have them out"
[21:25] <rick_h__> yea, that's been a pain as well
[21:25] <rick_h__> trying to keep them clean
[21:25] <brousch> um, no, i'm not pulling my teeth just to make your job a little easier
[21:25] <rick_h__> started to get a cavity in one at the last visit
[21:26] <brousch> right, so you had a reason
[21:26] <rick_h__> yea, I've been putting it off for years
[21:26] <rick_h__> pay the piper
[21:27] <brousch> so what's with the lip thing?
[21:28] <rick_h__> gap in my teeth is due to that muscle being too big/strong and pulling against them
[21:28] <rick_h__> dangerous long term and can pull teeth out somewhat and open gaps in gums
[21:28] <brousch> fascinating
[21:29] <rick_h__> you should have gone into oral surgery :P
[21:30] <brousch> no, i get squeemish when i have to cut something alive
[21:30] <_stink_> same here
[21:30] <_stink_> i can't even think about it
[21:30] <brousch> i can look at it all day, but can't do it
[21:54] <jrwren> snap-l: thanks for relinking that reddit shit so I can up and down vote appropriately :)
[22:01] <snap-l> jrwren: This guy hit my breaking point
[22:01] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/h4c23/is_mono_dead_is_novell_dying/c1sn65y
[22:02] <snap-l> Not going to go so far as calling him an idiot, but he's being disingenuous
[22:34] <Team-Xlink> Does anyone know of an online archive of roguesci?
[22:40] <snap-l> Need a hint what that is.
[22:40] <snap-l> Oh, you mean the Anarchist's Cookbook sort of thing
[22:40] <snap-l> I'm about 20 years away from being curious about that sort of thing. ;)
[22:43] <Team-Xlink> Well it was a website that was much more valid then the Anarchist's Cookbook, (Or so I've been told, RogueSci was down before I knew about it.).
[22:43] <Team-Xlink> ./nick TeamXlink
[22:46] <snap-l> Hey DBO
[22:46] <snap-l> Just wanted to thank you for the push for Unity
[22:47] <snap-l> Lots of good stuff at the last minute. :)
[22:50] <DBO> :)
[22:51] <DBO> twas not easy