[00:23] <_marx_> well i think i like the classic better
[00:24] <_marx_> have to try w/vbox running see if there are display oddities
[00:24] <Italian_Plumber> is there some magic I need to do so that Ubuntu doesn't take up gobs and gobs of CPU time when copying, moving, or deleting files?  Even on a headless system, just deleting a bunch of files has bumped my load average to close to "3".
[00:26] <_marx_> Italian_Plumber: i've only seen that when using nautilus
[00:26] <Italian_Plumber> hmm
[00:27] <_marx_> you mean between hosts?
[00:27] <Italian_Plumber> no ... on the local hd
[00:28] <Italian_Plumber> well it's coming down now.  it's still been close to 2 for the last 10 minutes
[00:29] <_marx_> 2%?
[00:29] <Italian_Plumber> no .. the load average... the 10 minute load average is 1.87
[00:29] <Italian_Plumber> and it's taken about that long to delete all these files.
[00:30] <Italian_Plumber> now it's done and then 1 minute load average is plummetting
[00:30] <_marx_> top htop
[00:31] <Italian_Plumber> hmm... must be something else... now it's creeping back up again and it's done deleting the files.
[00:32]  * _marx_ fixin' to move a devel drupal site from vbox server to iron server
[00:33] <_marx_> this will also test for display garbage on natty classic
[00:34] <_marx_> using vbox on unity i have black blocks and distorted alt text on the launcher
[00:45] <_marx_> Italian_Plumber: what were you using to monitor load?
[00:49] <Italian_Plumber> top
[00:49] <Italian_Plumber> and w
[00:53] <Italian_Plumber> I think that other factors were in play though, since the load was still high even after the copying was done.
[01:20] <marco_polo> date
[01:29] <marco_polo> ah, don't know how to reconnect to a byobu session
[15:13] <holstein> unity in the house? !!
[15:16]  * holstein is looking for a nice dual head card
[15:16] <holstein> any suggestions?
[15:16] <holstein> gaming is not important
[15:16] <holstein> if there were an intel PCIe graphics card
[15:16] <holstein> id get it
[15:17] <holstein> i just need something preferebly out of the box easy
[15:17] <holstein> maybe with 3d supported by the open driver
[15:17] <holstein> dual vga out
[15:17] <holstein> PCIe
[15:19]  * holstein looking @ http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames
[16:03] <junior_> ello all
[16:04] <holstein> junior_: o/
[16:05] <junior_> i come in hopes of getting some help with unbuntu. i have a gateway dx 4200 and want to install ubuntu as a dual boot.
[16:06] <holstein> cool
[16:06] <holstein> junior_: what are you planning on installing?
[16:06] <holstein> 10.04?
[16:06] <holstein> 11.04?
[16:07] <junior_> 11.04
[16:07] <holstein> have you downloaded an image?
[16:07] <holstein> and burned it?
[16:07] <junior_> yes and made a bootable usb
[16:08] <holstein> junior_: with unetbootin?
[16:09] <junior_> i boot from usb and i get a sceen asking me if i want to run from usb install ubuntu to a hard drive , memory check and i forget the other option. i select install ubuntu to a drive and it goes to a black screen and runs a series of checks and what not after a few minutes i get a total black screen with no typing or anything
[16:09] <holstein> junior_: have you tried it live?
[16:10] <holstein> you should always try it live first
[16:10] <junior_> it wont try live either
[16:10] <holstein> thats a great and easy troubleshooting step
[16:10] <holstein> right
[16:10] <holstein> SO
[16:10] <holstein> thats what you need to troubleshoot
[16:10] <holstein> THEN, you'll know how to install
[16:10] <junior_> ive tryed live and it wont boot into ubuntu
[16:10] <holstein> junior_: right
[16:10] <holstein> i got it :)
[16:11] <holstein> SO, let me make a few suggestions
[16:11] <holstein> because, you'll need to figure out how to get the live environment booted
[16:11] <holstein> then, insatlling will be easier
[16:11] <holstein> junior_: did you make the USB with unetbootin?
[16:12] <junior_> i used the universal usb installer from the ubuntu download page
[16:12] <holstein> OK
[16:12] <holstein> while its booting up
[16:13] <holstein> you want to try and get to the old splash screen
[16:13] <holstein> where you can hit F4 i think it is
[16:13] <holstein> and try selecting nomodeset
[16:14] <holstein> if i were you
[16:14] <holstein> i would DL the 10.04 LTS image
[16:14] <holstein> burn an actual CD
[16:14] <holstein> and try that live
[16:14] <holstein> when its booting you can hit shift
[16:15] <holstein> and get to those options
[16:15] <junior_> ok ill have to run to the store quickly for sum blanks. cd or dvd ?
[16:16] <holstein> cd
[16:16] <holstein> you can try the USB boot
[16:16] <holstein> i would use unetbootin*
[16:16] <holstein> *should* work fine
[16:17] <junior_> 10.04 lts is the version i should select for download?
[16:17] <holstein> thats up to you
[16:17] <holstein> BUT, thats what i would do
[16:18] <junior_> should i go with 32 bit or 64 bit. i have a amd phenom 9550 quad core 64 bit
[16:18] <holstein> thats up to you too
[16:18] <holstein> i have both
[16:18] <holstein> not really any deal breakers anyways
[16:19] <holstein> if you have 4+gb's of ram
[16:19] <holstein> you probably want the 64
[16:19] <junior_> ok let me ask this. when i run 32 bit windows the os only sees half of my ram. will 32bit ubuntu do the same?
[16:19] <holstein> you can use a PAE kernel
[16:19] <holstein> in 32bit
[16:19] <holstein> *assuming the motherboard supports it
[16:19] <holstein> and it probably does
[16:20] <holstein> i would just go 64
[16:20] <junior_> ok so i selected 1.01_Live_x64  from the drop down on unetbootin
[16:20] <holstein> ?
[16:20] <holstein> i wouldnt
[16:20] <junior_> 10.04
[16:20] <holstein> i would just go DL the image
[16:20] <holstein> and point unet to it
[16:20] <holstein> manually
[16:20] <junior_> ok
[16:21] <holstein> but, eitherway will probably be fine*
[16:21] <junior_> im d/l from ubuntu site 10.04 lts 64bit
[16:22] <holstein> junior_: thats what i would try next
[16:22] <holstein> if i were you
[16:22] <holstein> i think you'll have a better chance of troubleshooting that installation
[16:24] <junior_> see i think i my hard drive may have a problem in the boot sector of my hard drive. i went through i little spat with a keylogger infection on my system and reformatted and reinstalled windows probably 10 in 1 weekend about 2 weeks ago. i canstantly get blue sceens when i reboot
[16:24] <holstein> junior_: you should test that
[16:24] <holstein> but, you should be able to get to a desktop
[16:24] <holstein> from the live CD
[16:24] <holstein> thats with the hard drive unplugged even*
[16:25] <holstein> that'll give you an idea of what all hardware is supported
[16:25] <holstein> so you dont get surprised after you install it
[16:25] <holstein> i see that all the time
[16:25] <holstein> ' i wiped windows and install ubuntu'
[16:25] <holstein> and x doesnt work
[16:25] <holstein> and i ask how did it run live
[16:25] <holstein> and i get *crikets*
[16:26] <holstein> its too easy not to use that as a troubleshooting step
[16:26] <holstein> there is a disk utility in the ubuntu menu
[16:27] <holstein> you can use that live*
[16:27] <holstein> i also use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[16:27] <holstein> to test hard drivers
[16:27] <holstein> and other hardware
[16:27] <holstein> you'll want to sort that out before installing ubuntu i say
[16:27] <holstein> i mean, ubuntu is great
[16:27] <holstein> but its not magic
[16:27] <holstein> if you have a bad hard driver
[16:27] <holstein> if you have a bad hard drive*
[16:27] <holstein> you'll want to diagnose, and repair/replace
[16:30] <junior_> what should i use to burn the iso to a disk?
[16:31] <junior_> im on windows 7. just right click the iso and burn?
[16:32] <holstein> junior_: you want to copy the disc image
[16:32] <holstein> i dont know about win7
[16:32] <holstein> but just make sure your not burning a date disc
[16:32] <holstein> with the image
[16:32] <holstein> you need to copy the disc
[16:32] <holstein> with the iso image as the source
[16:32] <holstein> junior_: unetbootin will work though
[16:34] <junior_> unetbootin is only giving me usb options
[16:34] <holstein> right...
[16:34] <holstein> you can use unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick
[16:34] <holstein> if you dont have discs
[16:34] <holstein> you dont *have* to run out and buy discs
[16:35] <holstein> unless its just not working well
[16:35] <holstein> usb boo*
[16:35] <holstein> anyways... im running out
[16:35] <holstein> try #ubuntu-beginners if you need some help
[16:35] <holstein> and no one is around
[16:35] <holstein> junior_: are you near asheville?
[16:35] <holstein> - hit me up if you are, and cant sort out the issues...
[16:36] <holstein> mikeh789 "at the gmail" .com
[16:36] <junior_> ok i just got an error  sevnz.exe      there is no dosk in the drive please insert a disk into drive \device\harddisk2\dr2
[16:39] <junior_> k nvm i selected the wrong drive label for the usb
[16:45] <junior_> ok its done making the bootable usb... i reboot and hit f4 or hold shift??
[19:13] <junior_> hello
[22:33] <junior> im having trouble with my ubuntu install and i cant seen to find anything to help in the support pages
[23:04]  * _marx_ has read some scrollback
[23:09] <_marx_> wellhell display analomy  in "classic" as well when using vbox; guess 2 G ram just isn't enough
[23:09] <holstein> _marx_: what about unity-2d ?
[23:11] <_marx_> haven't tried that; i suspect low ram to video, intel on mobo video
[23:11] <_marx_> or something in virtualbox
[23:12] <_marx_> both are fine until i use vbox
[23:15] <holstein> junior: you get sorted?
[23:15] <junior> yes and no lol
[23:15] <junior> im running live right now so thats a plus
[23:16]  * _marx_ saw junior johnson the other day :))
[23:16] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> thats a step in the right direction... need to reboot
[23:16] <_marx_> i'll stick to my day job
[23:16] <holstein> im juggling some data today
[23:16] <holstein> got some new hard drives :)
[23:16] <holstein> BRB..
[23:20] <junior> insread of trying to go through install ubuntu side by side with windows i got a spare hard drive i had laying around disconnected the one with windows on it and proceeded to install buntu 10.04 ltsbut when it trys to boot from the hard drive i get an error saying theres no bootable media what not. i will note that im running live from the usb and when i click the install ubuntu icon on desktop it recognizes an install of ubuntu
[23:29] <_marx_> junior: pata or sata
[23:30] <junior> its an ata hard drive out of an older machie
[23:30] <junior> machine*
[23:30] <holstein> cool
[23:30] <holstein> now you dont have to worry about ruining data
[23:31] <holstein> takes a long time to format a TB drive :/
[23:38] <holstein> junior: if you can, go and get the exact error
[23:38] <holstein> and we can look it up
[23:40] <junior> it doesn't give me an "error code" i go into boot menu and select the hard and it get a message saying theres nothing bootable on that disk to insert bootable media and reboot
[23:41] <junior> wow im trying really hard to spell correctly and i end up looking like i dont know how to speak english
[23:46] <holstein> junior: hehe
[23:46] <holstein> well, get the exact sentence
[23:46] <holstein> like 'no bootable media'
[23:46] <holstein> whatever
[23:47] <holstein> double check in the bios
[23:47] <junior> i can take a pic with my phone?
[23:47] <junior> lol
[23:47] <holstein> make sure that HD is the first boot
[23:47] <junior> ok will do
[23:47] <junior> brb
[23:47] <holstein> junior: whatever it takes :)