[01:10] <monkey> howdy
[01:10] <monkey> The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?
[01:11] <monkey> recent upgrade to natty
[01:12] <monkey> I saw in one of the logs that it was having issues with an old uuid that had changed so I reinstalled every ubuntuone-* and now I'm getting this fun error
[01:13] <monkey> if anyone has any ideas I'll post it over at the forum, since I didn't see an answer there
[01:16] <duanedesign> hello monkey
[01:16] <monkey> Hi
[01:16] <duanedesign> have you filed a bug on this?
[01:17] <monkey> I have not
[01:17] <duanedesign> ok\
[01:17] <monkey> I figured that it was probably some weird setting that I had somewhere
[01:17] <duanedesign> I saw a bug report similar to this yesterday
[01:17] <duanedesign> (why i ask)
[01:17] <monkey> ok
[01:17] <duanedesign> monkey: you are using Network Manager? and not WICD?
[01:18] <monkey> how can I tell?
[01:19] <monkey> /etc/NetworkManager
[01:19] <duanedesign> monkey: you wouuld likely know. You would of had to have installed WICD and set it up to handle your network
[01:19] <monkey> nope, didn't do that
[01:19] <duanedesign> ok.
[01:21] <duanedesign> i am looking to see If i can find what triggers that error
[01:23] <monkey> I should mention too that I'm running gnome3
[01:23] <duanedesign> monkey: monkey is their anything in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log
[01:23] <duanedesign> ahh ok
[01:24] <monkey> there was tons of stuff, I deleted the .cache/ubuntuone folder
[01:24] <monkey> I'll check again
[01:25] <monkey> I've been getting really high CPU on it too, that's why I started trying to figure it out
[01:26] <monkey> and my net up was constantly around 270kib/s
[01:26] <monkey> current exceptions.log is empty
[01:26] <monkey> 2011-05-04 20:07:03,599 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.sync - ERROR - unhandled exception
[01:26] <monkey> Traceback (most recent call last):
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 305, in on_event
[01:26] <monkey>     **kwargs)
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm/fsm.py", line 110, in on_event
[01:26] <monkey>     event_name, parameters, args))
[01:26] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 223, in level_log
[01:26] <monkey>     self.log(lvl, message, *args, **kwargs)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 253, in log
[01:27] <monkey>     "relpath of: %r", self.key['path'])
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 98, in __getitem__
[01:27] <monkey>     return self.get(key)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/sync.py", line 79, in get
[01:27] <monkey>     mdobj = self.fs.get_by_mdid(mdid)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/filesystem_manager.py", line 767, in get_by_mdid
[01:27] <monkey>     mdobj = self.fs[mdid]
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 860, in __getitem__
[01:27] <monkey>     return self._deserialize(self._db.get(self.row_type, key))
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 778, in get
[01:27] <monkey>     kd_entry.value_sz)
[01:27] <monkey>   File "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/tritcask.py", line 757, in _get_value
[01:27] <monkey>     return self._immutable[file_id][value_pos:value_pos+value_sz]
[01:27] <monkey> KeyError: '130455381722362'
[01:27] <monkey> that's the old one
[01:29] <duanedesign> ok. Use a pastebin for multi-line text. http://fpaste.org/
[01:29] <monkey> sorry
[01:29] <duanedesign> no worries :)
[01:30] <monkey> http://fpaste.org/Y3Ok/
[01:31] <monkey> empathy handles it really well
[01:31] <monkey> I used trillian for years and it would irc flood
[01:33] <monkey> credentials.log: http://fpaste.org/7M3C/
[01:34] <mwhudson> is there a bug for tags not being read from m4a music files that i can subscribe to?
[01:38] <duanedesign> mwhudson: could you also paste the syncdaemon.log ?
[01:38] <duanedesign> oops
[01:38] <duanedesign> monkey: ^^
[01:39] <dobey> mwhudson: #660633 and #732776 seem to be about it.
[01:40] <mwhudson> dobey: are they private?
[01:40] <dobey> yes
[01:40] <dobey> probably don't need to be though
[01:41] <mwhudson> so i guess that's a no to my question in a strict sense then :)
[01:41] <monkey> http://fpaste.org/ZRDu/
[01:41] <mwhudson> in other news, the music streaming doesn't seem to be able to keep up on my android phone
[01:41] <mwhudson> it's on wifi, so i have a slightly hard time believing the network is too slow
[01:42] <monkey> I had it installed on my incredible for a while but i kept getting FC's all the time and I let the subscription run out
[01:42] <mwhudson> i'm in nz of course, so latency is probably a bit higher than for most people...
[01:43] <mwhudson> monkey: an advantage of working for canonical i guess, not having to pay :)
[01:43] <monkey> lol
[01:43] <dobey> mwhudson: i susbscribed you, marked one as dup of the other, since they're the same, and made them public. :)
[01:44] <mwhudson> dobey: thanks :)
[01:47] <duanedesign> monkey: can you open Password and Encryption Keys (seahorse)
[01:47]  * mwhudson turns wifi off, watches streaming go faster
[01:47] <mwhudson> maybe the local network is messed up some how
[01:48] <monkey> I opened seahorse
[01:48] <monkey> I see monkey@pluto which is my puter
[01:48] <monkey> should I delete it?
[01:48] <dobey> mwhudson: turn off your bittorrent :)
[01:49] <dobey> monkey: that's probably your ssh key?
[01:49] <dobey> monkey: there should be one with "Ubuntu One" in the name
[01:49] <duanedesign> monkey: yeah you are looking for the Ubuntu One token
[01:51] <monkey> under passwords: Passwords:default, Passwords:login :::: under My Personal Keys: monkey@pluto Key Id xxxxxxx :::: under other keys: empty
[01:52] <duanedesign> its the Passwords Tab
[01:52] <duanedesign> Passwords:Default you should be able to expand the folder
[01:53] <duanedesign> You may have to right-click and Unlock
[01:54] <monkey> ok... there's https://login.ubuntuone.com and "Ubuntu One"
[01:54] <monkey> delete them both?
[01:56] <duanedesign> dobey: that is just the naming difference between the older and newer Tokens, correct?
[01:56] <dobey> no
[01:56] <duanedesign> ok so its the second one
[01:56] <dobey> new is just "Ubuntu One"
[01:57] <dobey> the login.ubuntuone.com, i have no idea where that would be from, since the domain doesn't even exist :)
[01:57] <duanedesign> monkey: right-click > Delete the 'Ubuntu One' token
[01:58] <monkey> i did that, then restarted the ubuntu one control app, went to login to account and got
[01:58] <dobey> if you use epiphany as your web browser, it stores passwords in your keyring if you have it remember them; and that might be for login.ubuntu.com, but not for ubuntuone specifically
[01:59] <monkey> Method "CreateItem" with Signature "a{sv}{oayay}b" on intrface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist
[01:59] <monkey> k
[01:59] <duanedesign> uhh
[01:59] <monkey> I use FF and Chrome
[01:59] <dobey> ugh you are using gnome3
[01:59] <monkey> lol
[02:00] <dobey> gnome-keyring 3.x broke the API, and thus breaks ubuntu one
[02:00] <monkey> ok
[02:00] <monkey> so I'm SOL for now?
[02:00] <duanedesign> is a downgrade of the package possible?
[02:01] <dobey> possible, but would need to get rid of all the gnome3 stuff that uses it also; which is quite a bit
[02:01] <dobey> like, everything
[02:02] <monkey> lol
[02:03] <duanedesign> :\
[02:04] <monkey> << Web Developer, I understand the pain of multi-platform support
[02:04]  * monkey shakes fist at M$
[02:06] <dobey> what do they have to do with anything?
[02:06] <monkey> Internet Explorer doesn't believe in web standards
[02:07] <dobey> nobody does
[02:07] <monkey> lol
[02:07] <dobey> that's why half the crap is prefixed with -webkit or -mozilla
[02:07] <monkey> true
[02:07] <dobey> it's only fair that MS gets -microsoft or -trident or whatever it's called now
[02:08] <dobey> because having to write the exact same CSS 3 times is so much fun
[02:08] <monkey> it's more that they don't even follow their own standards between releases
[02:08] <fagan> IE is a pain but 9 is an attempt
[02:08] <monkey> <--lte IE 6 --> <--lte IE 7 --> <--lte IE8-->
[02:09] <monkey> I haven't even looked at it yet
[02:09] <dobey> i just wish people would continue to support netscape 3.04
[02:09] <monkey> I'm so removed ufrom windows ever since my harddrive died and I install ubunt
[02:09] <monkey> u
[02:09] <monkey> lol
[02:09] <monkey> wow, I remember when navigator came out
[02:10] <monkey> I feel old
[02:10] <dobey> launchpad doesn't work on it though :(
[02:10] <fagan> mandel: I dont think I had a computer by the time netscape finished
[02:11] <fagan> not mandel :/
[02:11] <dobey> finished what?
[02:11] <fagan> monkey: ^
[02:11] <fagan> dobey: well when mozilla started
[02:12] <dobey> fagan: netscape is still around
[02:12] <fagan> dobey: isnt it AOL and its a historical download or something
[02:13] <fagan> Oh I mean the navigator itself I dont have a clue about netscape
[02:13] <monkey> ZOMG, Netscape is going open source!
[02:13] <dobey> aside from having a totally horrible web page, i have no idea what aol is doing with netscape
[02:13] <monkey> I feel like they murdered winamp
[02:13] <dobey> fagan: eh, communicator was around for a long while after mozilla started
[02:13] <monkey> ie: netscape 4
[02:14] <fagan> dobey: never heard of it ::D
[02:14] <dobey> *facepalm*
[02:14]  * fagan is a youngin 
[02:15] <fagan> http://netscape.aol.com/ ewwwww
[02:15] <dobey> fagan: navigator/communicator supported ended only about 2.5 years ago; and 9.x; mozilla was started at the end of 4.x
[02:16] <dobey> err, 3 years ago i guess; was looking at wrong date
[02:16] <dobey> anyway
[02:16] <dobey> 3.04 Gold was the pinnacle
[02:16] <fagan> dobey: interesting I thought it finished a lot eariler
[02:17] <fagan> I suppose AOL did some butchering or something to kill it off
[02:18] <dobey> yeah, aol didn't kill it off
[02:18] <dobey> they just sort of let it die
[02:19] <fagan> kinda what AOL do
[02:19] <duanedesign> is their still a script to get a file with the dbus api?
[02:19] <fagan> they are a funny company
[02:21] <monkey> do irc:// links have # in them?
[02:21] <fagan> monkey: id say so
[02:21]  * fagan doesnt use them though 
[02:23] <dobey> grr, why is the main us archive server so slow still
[02:23] <monkey> I'm guessing people are still hitting it for natty
[02:23]  * dobey will probably still be downloading updates by the time his flight comes round
[02:24] <monkey> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10770852
[02:24] <dobey> and i am on a super fast connection :(
[02:24] <monkey> any suggestions for edits?
[02:24] <fagan> dobey: the ie archive is funny we have 20gbs without enough people to use it
[02:25] <dobey> maybe i should point at it then
[02:25] <monkey> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-select-fastest-mirror-in-ubuntu.html
[02:25] <fagan> dobey: you might get better results
[02:26] <dobey> ugh it's still slow
[02:27] <fagan> dobey: maybe something to do with a node somewhere being hit hard
[02:27] <fagan> you might want to try the other direction and see what happens
[02:27] <fagan> so usw
[02:28] <fagan> the archives should be fine at this time
[02:29] <dobey> i suppose i could just wait until sunday and then use the conference mirror
[02:29] <fagan> dobey: yeah that would be super fast but if you started downloading now it would be done by then :)
[02:30] <fagan> anyway sleep before I get in up for work at 9
[02:31] <dobey> i should probably just set up a mirror
[02:31] <dobey> and use it for all my machines
[02:31] <duanedesign> what does the Preferences Panel use desktopcouch for?
[02:32] <dobey> duanedesign: to toggle which DBs get synchronized
[02:32] <fagan> dobey: do you use landscape?
[02:32] <dobey> no
[02:32] <fagan> dobey: if you have a few machines and since its free you might get some use out of it
[02:33] <fagan> (its free to us I mean)
[02:33] <dobey> i don't use my laptops that much
[02:33] <fagan> ah ok then
[02:34] <fagan> I would use it myself if I had more than my 2 computers
[02:35] <fagan> anyway im off
[02:35] <fagan> night nighyt
[02:37] <duanedesign> cya tomorrow fagan
[02:37] <dobey> i wonder how to use SANE
[02:53] <dobey> writing software is hard.
[03:03] <duanedesign> dobey: you writing something for a scanner?
[03:03] <dobey> yes
[03:04] <dobey> an app to track sales tax on receipts, for writing it off on taxes :)
[03:04] <duanedesign> ahhhh
[03:04] <duanedesign> nice
[03:04] <dobey> so i don't have to keep physical copies around
[03:05] <dobey> just scan a receipt whenever i get one, and it will automatically read the tax and info, and store the info and image in a database
[03:06] <duanedesign> I like that
[03:06] <duanedesign> better then the shoebox I use
[03:07] <dobey> i haven't used it
[03:07] <dobey> but i'm not fond of the camera apps anyway, since they don't have 1200dpi cameras to work from...
[03:10] <mwhudson> dobey: can you hook it up to canonicaladmin? :)
[03:10] <dobey> mwhudson: can you rewrite canonicaladmin? :)
[03:10] <mwhudson> dobey: can i use an axe?
[03:11] <dobey> heh
[03:11] <mwhudson> (and not lotus notes pls)
[03:23] <dobey> alright, well i am off
[08:10] <mandel> morning all!!
[09:04] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:04] <JamesTait> Hello, world!
[09:04] <duanedesign> rye: was reading my RSS feeds this morning and came across this and thought you might find it interesting. http://www.stgraber.org/2011/05/04/state-of-lxc-in-ubuntu-natty/
[09:08] <rye> duanedesign, interesting... very interesting
[09:08] <rye> maybe this time i will finally get at least anything started
[09:08] <rye> duanedesign, thanks!
[09:11] <rye> O_O
[09:11] <rye> duanedesign, all these days
[09:11] <rye> :'-(
[09:12] <rye> duanedesign, all these days my lxc startup was failing BECAUSE I DID NOT CONFIGURE NETWORKING!
[09:21] <duanedesign> ahhhhh
[09:31] <fagan> morning
[09:59] <karni> Good morning!
[09:59] <duanedesign> o/
[10:00] <karni> \o
[10:23] <duanedesign> rye: the other day, after looking at a users pastebin,  you said you thought it was stuck. I think this is this the log? http://paste.ubuntu.com/602208/
[10:24] <rye> duanedesign, erm, not really, don't recall that pastebin
[10:24] <duanedesign> rye: ok :) no worries
[10:24] <rye> or i do
[10:24] <rye> it is unlinking lots of stuff
[10:26] <duanedesign> yeah, I think that was the user that copied his UBuntu One folder and metadata to a new computer
[10:27] <duanedesign> anyway, was just reading some old logs and wanted to make sure their was not something in their I was not seeing :)
[10:35] <karni> duanedesign: yes, that's the one
[11:21]  * fagan break
[11:34] <rye> enabled but greyed out... how can this be displayed in ubuntuone-control-panel?... hmm
[12:27] <fagan> ok its official windows stole my bank card
[12:27] <fagan> my bank runs windows workstation on their machines and it crashed and didnt return my card :/
[12:27] <fagan> so im going to be very hungry for 3-5 working days :(
[12:28] <fagan> (because of windows obviously)
[12:29]  * fagan now knows why mandel_ says puta windows 
[12:30] <fagan> the funny thing is they are running windows NT 4 which is made in 1996 so just shows how advanced my bank is
[12:32] <mandel> they must be paying a fortune to ensure that is maintained :)
[12:32] <fagan> mandel: well I would have thought they would be using unix of some sort
[12:33] <fagan> like unix has been around for longer
[12:34] <fagan> Im really thinking about switching banks now after learning how secure my money is
[12:34] <fagan> mandel: and yeah id say they are paying an arm and a leg to keep engineers on it
[12:34] <fagan> but thats how banks work
[12:35] <mandel> fagan: you will find that everywhere, is not the bank, is the people that make the atm points which is diff
[12:35] <mandel> in the server side they probably have unix, is probably due to drivers or something like that
[12:36] <fagan> I dont know, all I know is that I cant access my pay till next week
[12:36]  * mandel goes to walk the dog and be away from pdb for some time
[12:37] <fagan> We probably dont need to have standup right?
[12:37] <fagan> since there are so many away
[12:37] <mandel> no idea
[12:37] <mandel> I;d say we should do it
[12:37] <fagan> Yeah lets not and say we did :P
[12:38]  * fagan looks at mandel's merges since he forgot about them 
[12:43] <mandel> I'll be back later
[12:43] <fagan> cool
[12:44] <hrw> hi
[12:44] <fagan> hey hrw
[12:45] <hrw> karni: how goes u1f? any ETA for market?
[12:45] <fagan> hrw: id say soon™
[12:45] <fagan> :)
[12:45] <karni> hrw: will e-mail to the API. no ETA, issues with serverside REST uploads which I started just today
[12:45] <karni> fagan: good one
[12:45] <karni> hrw: /s/API/APK
[12:46] <karni> hrw: sent
[12:46] <hrw> thx
[12:47] <karni> hrw: please uninstall the previous version first.
[12:47] <karni> this is completely new
[12:47] <hrw> ok
[12:51] <hrw> karni: 1.2.60 still? I thought that previous one was also 1.2.60
[12:52] <karni> hrw: ignore that, didn't bump it. majority of the code is new
[12:53] <karni> hrw: I did adress the login screen menu > show welcome message, but don't try unmounting the sdcard ;) I'm still aware of it.
[12:53] <hrw> ok
[12:53]  * karni bumps version to 1.3
[12:54] <fagan> karni: bump it to 6.1 I dare you
[12:54] <karni> fagan: what does "I dare you" mean in this context? /asking purely out of linguistic reasons/
[12:55] <hrw> karni: http://home.haerwu.biz/~hrw/shots/u1f-01.png - should not there be 'select this app as default' checkbox too?
[12:55] <fagan> karni: I dare you to do it
[12:55] <karni> fagan: yes well I would bump it to 2.0 but I believe it'll land on the market as 1.0 anyway ;P
[12:55] <fagan> hah
[12:56] <hrw> karni: is "+" button on top row not enabled?
[12:56] <karni> hrw: brb yes disabled
[12:57] <karni> hrw: I'm back. Have you read the e-mail contents?
[12:58] <karni> hrw: Please do if you have a minute, it says what's ready and what's not :)
[12:58] <hrw> karni: I have a file "Zdjęcie023.jpg" on my U1 account. when I enter u1f it says "last modified mar 03" but attempt to download it ends with "Error: INTERNAL SERVER ERROR" and date changes to "kwi 20". when I tap it I am getting "problem opening file" and date changes back.
[12:58] <karni> hrw: shortly: Uploads, Shares from others, and Settings screen are not ready / not enabled / not available
[12:58] <hrw> will read
[12:59] <karni> hrw: Interesting, I was pretty sure I fixed the encoding. Will replicate.
[13:00] <karni> hrw: also, one person reported their UDFs disappeared from the top list when they browsed back "to the root", let me know if you see your UDFs correctly
[13:00] <hrw> UDF is?
[13:00] <karni> hrw: as for 'select as default', that was intentional, but we can change this
[13:00] <karni> hrw: User Defined Folder, custom folders outside ~/Ubuntu One
[13:00] <karni> hrw: if you have some, these are the sloppy looking entries on the top of the list
[13:01] <hrw> karni: for me directory list looks ok. but when I am in /shots/evo/ I have to remember path cause it is not present on screen
[13:02] <karni> hrw: indeed. this is a medium/low priority at the moment (as long as we don't have uploads and photo sync)
[13:05] <hrw> karni: ok, waiting for uploads support
[13:05] <karni> hrw: should come soon, as long as we land this soon on the server
[13:05] <hrw> karni: my need: being able to use U1 as a backup of few dirs on internal SD
[13:07] <karni> hrw: right. at the moment, our home is /sdcard/u1 so that we don't clutter the users sdcard. but I do understand making some folders from SD card UDFs is what people will want.
[13:09] <karni> hrw: once upload is ready, I'll look into recursive upload for folders and possibility to create UDFs from what you have mentioned. for the time being, we're not doing any file system rescans, that means - if you put something in your ~/Ubuntu One folder manually (i.e. from a PC via USB), U1F will not notice that. so you can imagine this relates as well to your feature request.
[13:09] <karni> hrw: I'm not saying it's hard, I'm just saying this will come with time, not sure wether with the initial release to the market
[13:10] <hrw> fine for me
[13:13] <karni> hrw: Are those directories movable? That is, is it something that you could put under /sdcard/u1 or it's a fixed location? (Don't mind media such as pictures/videos/music, that's a separate feature)
[13:13] <hrw> karni: I can move them
[13:14] <hrw> karni: TitaniumBackup allows to set that. but it also supports Dropbox
[13:14] <karni> hrw: conceptually, if we were to enable auto back-up of any folder on SD card, we could probably move from under /u1 to the root of the SD card with all UDFs and ~/Ubuntu One folder
[13:14] <karni> hrw: I would also, if I was writing a backup app ;)
[13:15] <karni> backup features (SMS, custom folders) are on my mind, but currently not any close to the front of the TODO list
[13:16] <fagan> karni: if yoqu do sms backup I would love you
[13:16] <karni> fagan: I will. And please don't ;)
[13:16] <fagan> karni: hah
[13:17] <fagan> karni: oh and if I could view those SMS messages online it would be even better
[13:17]  * fagan wonders how android stores messages 
[13:18] <karni> fagan: That makes me think it would be a separate app which would store them in CouchDB - problem solved
[13:18] <karni> fagan: in a ContentProvider which is backed by an sqlite3 db
[13:18] <fagan> karni: that sounds easy enough to implement then
[13:19] <fagan> sqlite is so awesome
[13:20] <karni> hrw: umm.. from what I see TitaniumBackup "supports Dropbox" in a way that it sends the backup file to it, is that correct?
[13:21] <karni> hrw: if it isn't hardcoded to tie to Dropbox, it will be trivial to send this to U1F which would upload that for you - I believe this would solve the problem of custom folders backup?
[13:37] <fagan> is ralsina online?
[13:42] <fagan> mandel: name your branches better
[13:42] <fagan> :D
[13:52] <hrw> karni: I do not know how TB supports dropbox as not tested this yet. and backup consists lot of files in one dir
[13:53] <dobey> fagan: i doubt ralsina will be generally available today
[13:54] <fagan> dobey: its cool I just wanted to ask him something it can wait
[13:54] <dobey> rodrigo_: ping
[13:54] <dobey> rodrigo_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/603355/ on lucid. i guess that glib doesn't have the boxed type?
[14:01] <thisfred> me?
[14:01] <rodrigo_> dobey: looking
[14:02] <rodrigo_> dobey: hmm, yes, I guess it doesn't have the macro
[14:02] <dobey> rodrigo_: you are going to UDS, right?
[14:03] <rodrigo_> dobey: yes, on Sunday
[14:03] <fagan> thisfred: we arent going to do standup :)
[14:03] <thisfred> kk
[14:04] <dobey> rodrigo_: cool.
[14:04] <dobey> rodrigo_: should we just stop building on lucid, or fix this?
[14:04] <rodrigo_> dobey: I guess we could add a patch to the lucid build, if that's possible
[14:05] <rodrigo_> or yes, stop building on lucid
[14:05] <fagan> mandel: I approved your branches if you have any more just honk
[14:05] <dobey> i'll just stop building it then; we use the same package branch for all ubuntu versions in nightlies
[14:06] <alecu> fagan, every time you say h-onk, my irc client beeps
[14:06] <fagan> alecu: hah why?
[14:06] <dobey> alecu: you should fix it to play an mp3 of a honking sound
[14:06] <alecu> dobey, good idea!
[14:06] <dobey> speaking of alecu, i need to watch this dvd already
[14:07]  * fagan has to go afk for 30 mins brb
[14:07] <alecu> fagan, I've added honk to the list of strings that trigger the beep (everybody, hey all)
[14:07] <alecu> fagan, because "honk" used to be the word to ask for help in this channel.
[14:07] <mandel> me
[14:08] <dobey> mandel: no standup
[14:08] <alecu> fine by me!
[14:08] <mandel> ok
[14:09] <mandel> fagan: what is wrong with the names?
[14:10] <rye> alecu, fagan, heh, me too :)
[14:12] <karni> hrw: ok, thanks
[14:14] <alecu> rye, "Regards, Roman Empire" ??? :-)
[14:17] <dobey> mandel: they have underscores
[14:17] <mandel> dobey: and?
[14:17] <dobey> mandel: underscores suck
[14:18] <mandel> that is what she said
[14:18] <dobey> yes. yes it is.
[14:19] <dobey> also, no weekly meeting today
[14:19] <dobey> i think
[14:19] <mandel> makes sense
[14:20] <mandel> dobey: if it is a MAYOR pain in the ass for you that I use _ I can change, I have no char sep preference
[14:21] <fagan> mandel: the only difference between 2 branches was an s at the end of one
[14:21] <dobey> i really don't care
[14:21] <fagan> I almost reviewed the one I already looked at
[14:21] <mandel> fagan: really? may I know which ones?
[14:22] <fagan> sec
[14:23] <fagan> mandel: fix_signal_emition fix_signals_emition
[14:23] <fagan> the _ are fine in it though I like that myself
[14:23] <fagan> well they were stacked against different projects so it only mattered on my machine
[14:23] <fagan> since I had both branches in the same folder
[14:24] <mandel> fagan: so it your fault, you can do bzr branch lp:blah ubuntuone_client_blah
[14:24] <fagan> mandel: the branch was fine it was just the cd got confused because the names were so similar thats what I meant
[14:24] <fagan> so its your fault :)
[14:25] <fagan> Instead of fix you could use amend or something :P
[14:25] <mandel> meh
[14:26] <dobey> fagan: it's your fault, because your environment is organized poorly :)
[14:26] <fagan> dobey: hah its a VM my organisation is deleting the branches after I test them
[14:27] <fagan> anyway have to try get money out of my bank without a card
[14:27]  * fagan takes some guns just in case
[14:27] <dobey> the history of baseball in northern ireland
[14:28] <fagan> dobey: we have baseball in Ireland????? :/
[14:28] <fagan> news to me
[14:28]  * fagan afk
[14:29] <mandel> guys, do you know how I can make pdb execute a multiline step expression?
[14:30] <dobey> fagan: http://cafe.comebackalive.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=15357&start=15
[14:39] <pedronis> mandel, not easy, what you can do is start a sub interactive repl
[14:41] <mandel> pedronis: oh, teach me please! a mean if you have time or have a pointer to something to read :)
[14:42] <pedronis> mandel: import code; code.interact(local=locals())
[14:42] <pedronis> at the pdb prompt will give you an interactive python shell with the current (in pdb) locals
[14:43] <mandel> pedronis: just like that?
[14:43] <pedronis> mandel, http://docs.python.org/library/code.html is the doc for that
[14:43] <pedronis> mandel, yes
[14:44] <mandel> pedronis: great thx a lot !
[14:57] <fagan> awh interesting dobey soo its nothing to do with baseball
[14:57] <fagan> mandel: if you have no merges for me ill go and order my books
[14:57] <fagan> last chance for suggestions
[14:58] <fagan> My bank robbery worked :D
[15:01] <dobey> yay i can use my u820 again, even if the video is crappy and slow
[15:01] <fagan> u820?
[15:01]  * fagan only knows UB40
[15:06] <thisfred> u820 is 410 times better than U2
[15:07] <fagan> :/ damn pounds I cant tell exactly how much its going to cost in euro
[15:07] <fagan> ill have to wait
[15:07] <fagan> I walked a long way today
[15:08] <fagan> thisfred: take that back u2 are a the greatest rock band in the world and they are from Ireland so that makes them the biggest musical act in the world
[15:08] <fagan> :P
[15:09] <thisfred> I will do no such thing, but I'm willing to let it go now, before things turn ugly ;)
[15:10] <thisfred> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6gPSSYxex0
[15:11] <thisfred> that's the letter U and the numeral 2
[15:14] <dobey> u2 is a rock band?
[15:14] <thisfred> these guys are from england
[15:14] <fagan> dobey: well in the classic sense of the world
[15:15]  * fagan slaps thisfred 
[15:15] <thisfred> :)
[15:15] <dobey> not really
[15:15] <thisfred> dobey see the negativland song ^^
[15:15] <dobey> they're 80s boy band
[15:15] <dobey> thisfred: i did
[15:16] <fagan> They should do that song with that guy who rages on his fox news programme
[15:16] <dobey> "Your trip to Budapest, Hungary is about to begin"
[15:16]  * fagan cant remember his name 
[15:16] <thisfred> bill o'reilly?
[15:16] <fagan> thisfred: yeah
[15:17] <thisfred> I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Kasem is funnier
[15:18] <fagan> thisfred: never heard of him
[15:18] <fagan> the only american personality I know is ryan seacreast
[15:18] <fagan> :D
[15:18]  * fagan trolling 
[15:20] <dobey> you know him personally?
[15:21] <fagan> dobey: very peronally :D
[15:21] <fagan> s/peronally/personally
[15:43] <fagan> its a real shame no one uses apturl that much
[15:47] <dobey> fagan: what do you mean?
[15:47] <fagan> dobey: well ive only seen good use of aptul on my website once and one other websie
[15:47] <fagan> *website
[15:48] <dobey> what is "good use of apturl" ?
[15:48] <fagan> dobey: support and suggesting good programs from the archive on a blog..etc
[15:48] <fagan> dobey: support is the best use really
[15:49] <dobey> so blog about it
[15:49] <dobey> go fix up all the wiki pages to use it where they say "apt-get install xxx"
[15:49] <fagan> dobey: did before and I suppose you can use apt.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <fagan> which the developer poral is using
[15:49] <fagan> *portal
[15:49]  * fagan cant type today 
[15:50] <fagan> the only problem with the apt.ubuntu.com site is its broken and no one knows who owns it to fix it
[15:51] <fagan> so the developer.ubuntu.com has a load of links just say your not on Ubuntu :)
[15:51] <fagan> anyhow ill get back to what I was doing and stop complaining :)
[15:55] <fagan> wow converting music on a msi wind is a bad idea
[16:13] <fagan> alecu: I dont have friday time like you guys but if you want help with that games thing I can give some good advice since I do it a lot
[16:14]  * fagan has just about every good linux game available at the moment 
[16:16] <dobey> lies
[16:16] <rye> fagan, that site is broken if you are not running firefox with ubufox extension
[16:16] <dobey> i wonder how well steam works on linux
[16:17] <fagan> dobey: well they apparently have it working internally
[16:17] <fagan> dobey: and id tend to believe that they are holding back for more people on the platform
[16:18] <fagan> rye: oh
[16:20] <rye> fagan, actually, apt.ubuntu.com does nothing except of being apt.ubuntu.com :)
[16:21] <fagan> rye: then why did they use it for developer.ubuntu.com?
[16:22] <rye> fagan, hmmm
[16:22] <dobey> fagan: i mean under wine, not native
[16:22] <rye> fagan, probably it is not _that_ simple as I have thought
[16:22] <fagan> dobey: im pretty sure it works in wine
[16:22] <rye> fagan, no, http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/bash - works
[16:23] <fagan> rye: oh they must have fixed it
[16:23] <rye> fagan, refresh:5; url=apt://bash
[16:23] <rye> fagan, it just redirects to apt:// something
[16:23] <fagan> rye: ahhhh so it just makes sure they are running ubuntu then gives the apt link rather than confusing people
[16:23] <fagan> thats nice
[16:26] <dobey> well there is a uds session about having the 'app store' accessible on the web
[16:26] <dobey> if that's what you were looking for
[16:26] <fagan> dobey: that sounds cool but what would it do for users?
[16:27] <xharx> i installed ubuntu one under xubuntu and don't know how to start the program
[16:27] <xharx> i have nothing in the menu
[16:30] <dobey> fagan: have a nice browsable index of everything in ubuntu? and the links would open software center itself for install/payment?
[16:30] <dobey> xharx: 11.04?
[16:32] <xharx> dobey, yes
[16:33] <fagan> dobey: I suppose thats cool
[16:38] <dobey> xharx: did you install ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk?
[16:38] <dobey> fagan: i guess i'm not sure what you were expecting from apt.ubuntu.com
[16:38] <fagan> dobey: I just want it to do what its doing but look like it wasnt created in 10 mins
[16:40] <dobey> lunch time
[16:40] <dobey> xharx: if you install that, u1 should appear wherever preferences are shown in xfce
[16:40] <dobey> bbiab
[16:41] <xharx> dobey, apt-get install says, i have not installed it. install?
[16:42] <xharx> i used a german wiki to install ubuntuone
[16:57] <mandel> xharx: I'll pick it up from here since dobey is at lunch
[16:57] <mandel> xharx: do install the control panel so that you can see the progress etc
[16:58] <mandel> is that what you are looking for?
[16:59] <xharx> most likely :)
[16:59] <xharx> im confused, because i did everything like in the wiki
[17:11] <fagan> EOD
[17:18] <xharx> ubuntuone runs now on my machine, thx
[17:33] <dobey> i wonder if the wiki perhaps needs updating
[18:47] <dobey> la la la
[18:53] <Escalion> hey guys
[18:53] <Escalion> Any developers here?
[18:54] <CardinalFang> Probably.
[18:54] <Escalion> Fair enough.
[18:54] <Escalion> I'm looking to ask someone if there is an undocumented API
[18:55] <Escalion> I'm planning on making a application that syncs with notes for a few different platforms
[18:55] <Escalion> But I can't find a API...
[18:56] <Escalion> nobody?
[18:57] <CardinalFang> Escalion, for notes, use the Snowy API.
[18:58] <CardinalFang> Wow.
[18:59] <dobey> heh
[19:03] <thisfred> I guess it's not the world's nicest API ;)
[19:03] <CardinalFang> That guy seemed like he'd be fun to work with.  Too bad.
[19:09] <leo> Hello ... Installed Gnome3 from PPA and I can't login to Ubuntuone ..
[19:11] <leo> according to launchpad bug 745540 is fixed but I can't login
[19:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745540 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) (and 5 other projects) "Method "CreateItem" with signature "a{sv}(oayay)b" on interface "org.freedesktop.Secret.Collection" doesn't exist (affects: 11) (heat: 146)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745540
[19:14] <fagan> leo: its fixed in the dailies I think but I dont know if that was pushed out as an update yet
[19:14] <fagan> dobey: ^
[19:14] <leo> fagan: Great so just matter of wait ..  Thank you
[19:14]  * fagan remembers testing the branch 
[19:15] <fagan> leo: no problem
[19:18] <dobey> it's not exactly fixed. that specific issue is resolved in trunk, but there are others to deal with
[22:33] <dobey> later all
[23:34] <TrentonDAdams> I started syncing to the tomboy server yesterday at home, with Ubuntu 11.04.  I started syncing here at work today, with the same account, and now tomboy crashed, and won't start backup.
[23:36] <TrentonDAdams> cancel that, it's now working.