| wgrant | lifeless: Yes, it's on LPS, but that normally gets ignored :) | 00:06 |
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| lifeless | gawd I hope not | 00:06 |
| lifeless | so whats special | 00:07 |
| lifeless | also when is good for you | 00:07 |
| wgrant | It needs buildd-manager to be shut down before the update, then process-upload run, then proceed as normal. | 00:07 |
| lifeless | why? | 00:08 |
| wgrant | The directory name format has changed. | 00:08 |
| wgrant | And accepting and testing both seems more trouble than having a slightly special one-off upgrade. | 00:09 |
| lifeless | maxb: https://code.launchpad.net/~launchpad-committers/lpreview-body/packaging | 00:12 |
| lifeless | is done | 00:12 |
| lifeless | the other needs the regression in LP fixed | 00:12 |
| maxb | thanks | 00:13 |
| lifeless | maxb: can you follow up on the list so folk know | 00:13 |
| lifeless | wgrant: so whats the filename format change about | 01:21 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Removing BuildFarmJob.id. | 01:21 |
| wgrant | It was used to identify temporary upload directories. | 01:21 |
| lifeless | what did the filename encode, what does it encode, why does it encode it | 01:21 |
| wgrant | So, buildd-manager takes an upload and dumps it into a directory for process-upload.py --builds to handle. | 01:22 |
| wgrant | It used BuildFarmJob.id to identify the relevant build. | 01:22 |
| wgrant | Now it uses the job type and BPB/SPRB ID. | 01:22 |
| lifeless | is that in a metadata file or the dirname? | 01:22 |
| wgrant | dirname. | 01:23 |
| wgrant | (yes, ew) | 01:23 |
| LPCIBot | Yippie, build fixed! | 02:01 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #519: FIXED in 5 hr 12 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/519/ | 02:01 |
| lifeless | wgrant: when would you like to talk? | 02:03 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Now's good for me. | 02:12 |
| wgrant | lifeless: You still prefer Skype? | 02:15 |
| lifeless | cooking lunch, will ping in a bit | 02:24 |
| wgrant | Sure. | 02:25 |
| lifeless | wgrant: ping | 03:06 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #240: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 9 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/240/ | 03:07 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #38: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 10 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/38/ | 03:12 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Hi. | 03:16 |
| lifeless | hi | 03:16 |
| wgrant | I'm ready. | 03:16 |
| lifeless | voip or skype is bestest | 03:16 |
| wgrant | I'm on Skype, I've not got SIP set up. | 03:16 |
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| lifeless | poolie: jetlag? | 05:37 |
| lifeless | hmm, code free day :( | 05:52 |
| lifeless | wgrant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/777794 - please triage as you file :) | 06:09 |
| _mup_ | Bug #777794: Bug subscription AJAX popups are too bold <Launchpad itself:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/777794 > | 06:09 |
| lifeless | 777789 too | 06:10 |
| lifeless | and 777786 | 06:10 |
| wgrant | lifeless: I can't triage those. | 06:10 |
| lifeless | why not? | 06:10 |
| StevenK | Hm, I meant to file a low bug about that | 06:10 |
| wgrant | Because I don't know what importance they are. | 06:11 |
| lifeless | wgrant: take a good guess | 06:11 |
| wgrant | Given that there is meant to be a UI polish mode at the end of each feature, they should probably be High. | 06:11 |
| wgrant | But I don't know. | 06:11 |
| lifeless | the feature squads are not watching the tracker. | 06:11 |
| StevenK | If you set the importance and such like when you file a bug, we shouldn't say "Your bug will be triaged soon" | 06:11 |
| StevenK | Perhaps ... | 06:11 |
| wgrant | StevenK: That's for external people. | 06:11 |
| lifeless | StevenK: that prose is just the post-filing-notice, its not programmatic | 06:11 |
| wgrant | Right. | 06:12 |
| lifeless | wgrant: please triage them, even if its just to high + an email to gary to say 'these need your hand to really assign importance'. | 06:13 |
| lifeless | wgrant: you can certainly assess them in the context of the BugTriage wiki page | 06:13 |
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| lifeless | wgrant: a nontrivial reason for doing is so that end user filed bugs which are not triaged are obvious on the portlets on https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+bugs | 06:15 |
| lifeless | the [non]zero distinction is easier for everyone to observe than a floating figure | 06:15 |
| poolie | hi lifeless | 06:20 |
| poolie | a bit | 06:20 |
| wgrant | DF's up to 62GB... this is going to take a little while. | 06:37 |
| StevenK | As in DF's DB? | 06:38 |
| wgrant | Yes. | 06:38 |
| wgrant | Hmm. Might need to clean some stuff out. | 06:38 |
| wgrant | lifeless: \l+ on staging? | 06:38 |
| lifeless | its fat too | 06:38 |
| lifeless | it has the garbo running nowadays | 06:38 |
| lifeless | qastaging is 275GB fwiw | 06:39 |
| lifeless | wgrant: ok, I've triaged your bugs... next time I'll make em all opinion :P | 06:40 |
| lifeless | ohh nice | 06:45 |
| lifeless | +patches gone from oopses | 06:45 |
| wgrant | lifeless: Thanks. | 06:48 |
| wgrant | Hmm, the missing structural subscription listing a bit unfortunate. | 07:25 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #241: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/241/ | 07:33 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #242: STILL FAILING in 41 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/242/ | 08:14 |
| adeuring | good morning | 08:59 |
| mrevell | Hello! | 09:04 |
| poolie | hi mrevell | 09:06 |
| poolie | lifeless, did people ever consider changing the ec2 image to run tests on a tmpfs? | 09:06 |
| poolie | it doesn't seem to be using its whole cpu | 09:06 |
| bigjools | good morning | 09:07 |
| poolie | hi bigjools | 09:12 |
| lifeless | poolie: I don't think our ec2 stack has been all that optimised | 09:12 |
| lifeless | bigjools: missed you this morning | 09:12 |
| bigjools | lifeless: yeah sorry | 09:12 |
| lifeless | no worries | 09:12 |
| bigjools | was knackered | 09:12 |
| lifeless | perhaps we could talk in ~30 ? | 09:12 |
| bigjools | lifeless: I have a standup, but in ~45 would work | 09:13 |
| lifeless | ok | 09:14 |
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| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #39: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 4 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/39/ | 09:18 |
| === adeuring changed the topic of #launchpad-dev to: https://dev.launchpad.net/ | On call reviewer: adeuring | https://code.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+activereviews | ||
| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
| === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan | ||
| poolie | hm so just moving bits of /var to ram doesn't immediately fail | 10:38 |
| poolie | and is doing little io | 10:39 |
| poolie | still lots of idle cpu, but i think that's just lack of parallelism | 10:39 |
| wgrant | bigjools: Bug #778408 may amuse you. | 10:55 |
| _mup_ | Bug #778408: Deleting an unpublished publication behaves unexpectedly <soyuz-ftpmaster-tools> <soyuz-publish> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/778408 > | 10:55 |
| wgrant | (Side-effects of amusement may include uncontrollable sobbing and a sense of hopelessness.) | 10:57 |
| al | hehehe | 11:00 |
| wgrant | rvba: Have you seen the stable->db-devel merge conflict? It seems to be your stuff. | 11:04 |
| wgrant | So you're probably best to resolve it. | 11:04 |
| rvba | wgrant: I just saw that. | 11:05 |
| rvba | wgrant: can you guide me with how I can fix that? | 11:06 |
| rvba | wgrant: I understand the problem of course but I'm unsure about the procedure to solve it. | 11:07 |
| bigjools | wgrant: colour me unsurprised | 11:07 |
| wgrant | rvba: Grab stable and db-devel locally, merge stable into db-devel, fix the conflict as you would normally. Push the branch up somewhere, then pqm-submit it to db-devel. | 11:07 |
| bigjools | wgrant: we need yet more code to stop people from being stupid | 11:07 |
| wgrant | rvba: if you are feeling forgiving you could ask for a review, but I never do and haven't broken anything yet. | 11:08 |
| rvba | wgrant: thanks. I'll do that. | 11:08 |
| wgrant | bigjools: Do you have a list of stuff to kill from mawson? Its free space will probably not last the weekend. | 11:24 |
| bigjools | wgrant: yeah I was looking at that | 11:24 |
| wgrant | We could just start wiping out the archive, I guess. | 11:24 |
| bigjools | yes | 11:24 |
| bigjools | that archive is too fat | 11:24 |
| wgrant | Easy enough to bring back in a few hours if we need to. | 11:24 |
| wgrant | (sorry mizuho) | 11:24 |
| wgrant | It is fat, but was useful for testing a few things. | 11:24 |
| wgrant | But that's all done now. | 11:25 |
| bigjools | can be restored easy | 11:25 |
| bigjools | given time :) | 11:25 |
| wgrant | Yep. | 11:25 |
| * wgrant deletes. | 11:25 | |
| wgrant | Mass deletion + restore == molten mawson? | 11:25 |
| bigjools | I bet it's hot it mawson's cabinet :D | 11:25 |
| bigjools | s/it/in/ | 11:25 |
| bigjools | wgrant: it'll all be invalid once the db is restored anyway | 11:26 |
| bigjools | local librarian is 5.2G, purging | 11:27 |
| wgrant | Not really. This is all from frozen series. | 11:27 |
| wgrant | maverick + natty | 11:27 |
| bigjools | not all | 11:27 |
| bigjools | not sure they weren't frozen when we last restored | 11:27 |
| wgrant | maverick was released, and natty was basically identical to maverick. | 11:28 |
| wgrant | So it was mostly just maverick's final packages plus a few more. | 11:28 |
| wgrant | Anyway, deleting now. | 11:28 |
| wgrant | Very slowly. | 11:28 |
| bigjools | the disk stepper motor is going to fall off its track | 11:29 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #40: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 4 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/40/ | 11:33 |
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| rvba | wgrant: would you mind taking a look at this for a quick sanity check? https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/launchpad/db-devel-fix-merge-failure | 11:55 |
| wgrant | rvba: The diff is large, but as long as the tests you've changed pass it should be fine. | 11:57 |
| rvba | wgrant: yeah, the tests in the modified file pass. | 11:58 |
| * rvba bzr pqm-submit -m "Merge stable." | 11:59 | |
| wgrant | rvba: You'll need a --submit-branch | 12:01 |
| bigjools | "fix conflict with stable" would be more accurate | 12:01 |
| wgrant | To target db-devel. | 12:01 |
| bigjools | and that | 12:01 |
| rvba | wgrant: oops ... too late. | 12:01 |
| wgrant | It should reject it. | 12:02 |
| lifeless | rvba: hi; its my weekend now, but wgrant may be able to answer your perf tuning thing if you're lucky | 12:02 |
| lifeless | rvba: otherwise I'll shoot you some thoughts on mondayish | 12:03 |
| wgrant | Where's that? | 12:03 |
| lifeless | wgrant: I'l forward | 12:03 |
| rvba | lifeless: thanks a lot. Have a good weekend! | 12:03 |
| wgrant | I have no email client at the moment, but I'll get one in a sec. | 12:03 |
| wgrant | rvba: So, what's the issue with it being a list? | 12:06 |
| wgrant | rvba: checkCopy is already pretty fast, except for one code path. | 12:06 |
| rvba | wgrant: since it's not a ResultSet there is not way to try to eager load related objects ... right? | 12:06 |
| rvba | s/not/no/ | 12:07 |
| wgrant | rvba: You can't add a preiter hook to it, no. But that's just a handy place to do it... you can do the same thing manually afterwards. | 12:07 |
| wgrant | What are you looking to eager-load? | 12:07 |
| wgrant | (the slow bit is when _checkArchiveConflicts finds some destination_archive_conflicts) | 12:09 |
| rvba | I was just *thinking* of eager-loading related things since I saw the the kind of db queries issued looked like related objects being loaded. | 12:09 |
| rvba | but I might be wrong. | 12:09 |
| rvba | I you say it's pretty quick already, it might not be worth the bother then. | 12:10 |
| wgrant | It's already pretty good. Most copies check within half a second, except for _checkArchiveConflicts. | 12:10 |
| wgrant | So yeah, not worth spending time on that yet. | 12:10 |
| rvba | s/I/If | 12:10 |
| rvba | ok, so I guess the tests to make sure the number of queries does not increase is enough for now. | 12:11 |
| wgrant | Yup. | 12:11 |
| wgrant | That would be useful. | 12:11 |
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| gmb | adeuring: Can you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/bug-772609/+merge/60176 for me please? | 13:47 |
| adeuring | gmb: sure | 13:47 |
| gmb | Thanks | 13:48 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #243: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 4 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/243/ | 13:48 |
| deryck | Morning, all. | 13:58 |
| jtv | hi deryck | 14:15 |
| deryck | hi jtv | 14:15 |
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| adeuring | gmb: overall, nice work. but could you remove the "#import pdb; pdb.set_trace()" line in test_bugs_views.py? | 14:22 |
| SteveA | yay, code reviews :-) | 14:23 |
| adeuring | gmb: and you disabled the get_notified_subscribers() call in bugs/subscribers/bug.py | 14:23 |
| adeuring | gmb: there is an XXX from bac about the call which has no bug number | 14:24 |
| adeuring | gmb: also, I am not sure if we can really simply drop the call. | 14:24 |
| adeuring | deryck: could you please run these queries on staging: https://pastebin.canonical.com/47200/ ? | 14:26 |
| deryck | adeuring, indeed I can. | 14:26 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #244: STILL FAILING in 40 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/244/ | 14:29 |
| deryck | benji, I'm triaging bug 778323 as high as I assume it's related to y'all's current work. Is story-better-bug-notification still the best tag? | 14:41 |
| _mup_ | Bug #778323: On the subscription page, the help popup button opens up a 404 page. <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/778323 > | 14:41 |
| benji | deryck: yep, that's the current tag | 14:41 |
| deryck | benji, cool. done. Thanks | 14:42 |
| deryck | I don't think anyone understood the implications of dropping ~launchpad-bugs mailing list. | 14:44 |
| jtv | danilo, henninge: I wonder if those links in the "untranslated" etc. numbers on the overview pages disappeared because of the Prague work. | 14:46 |
| danilos | jtv, I don't know, I don't have the time to investigate right now | 14:54 |
| jtv | Same here. :( | 14:54 |
| danilos | jtv, I filed a bug so when I switch to maintenance I'll take a look | 14:55 |
| jtv | OK | 14:55 |
| danilos | jtv, it's tagged "regression", which makes it "Critical" | 14:55 |
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| jtv | I guess it doesn't absolutely require a Rosetta veteran. | 14:56 |
| jtv | Hi Ursinha | 14:56 |
| danilos | jtv, indeed | 14:56 |
| jtv | I wonder why I'm suddenly being showered in bugmail. | 14:56 |
| deryck | Hi, gmb. Could I get you to review my GCC credentials branch for me? It's simple, but I want to make sure I haven't missed something I don't know about. | 15:01 |
| gmb | deryck: Sure thing. Diff me. | 15:01 |
| deryck | gmb, lp branch is: https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/launchpad/add-gcc-keys-schema-lazr-745794/+merge/60186 | 15:02 |
| * gmb looks | 15:02 | |
| gmb | Oo, complex! | 15:02 |
| deryck | heh | 15:02 |
| gmb | That looks fine. | 15:03 |
| deryck | gmb, and I did a matching lp-production-configs one first: https://code.launchpad.net/~deryck/lp-production-configs/add-gcc-bugzilla-creds/+merge/59956 | 15:03 |
| deryck | gmb, so I understand land the lp branch, nodowntime rollout, then the lp-production-configs one, yes? | 15:03 |
| gmb | deryck: I believe so. I haven't had to do one of these since before there were nodowntime rollouts. | 15:03 |
| gmb | But that sounds sane. | 15:04 |
| deryck | gmb, ok, cool. yeah, this is my first config change believe it or not. | 15:04 |
| gmb | Ah, always fun. | 15:04 |
| wgrant | deryck: Land the branch, land the configs, nodowntime rollout. | 15:08 |
| wgrant | No need for a rollout in the middle. | 15:08 |
| deryck | wgrant, ah, ok. thanks. | 15:08 |
| deryck | wgrant, and no need for any special rollout requirements, i.e. the usual nodowntime will cover everything I need? | 15:09 |
| wgrant | deryck: That's right. | 15:09 |
| deryck | wgrant, awesome sauce. thanks, again. | 15:09 |
| wgrant | We grab the requested rev of stable and the latest lp-p-c rev. | 15:09 |
| deryck | gotcha | 15:09 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #41: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/41/ | 15:34 |
| adeuring | gmb: did you see my questions about your mp? | 15:36 |
| gmb | adeuring: Oops, missed them. Let me look... | 15:37 |
| adeuring | bac: are you around? | 15:37 |
| gmb | Ahaha | 15:37 |
| gmb | Thanks for catchign that pdb. | 15:37 |
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| gmb | Oh. I don't remember removing that... | 15:39 |
| adeuring | gmb: np. but can we reall drop the get_also_notified_subscribers() call? | 15:40 |
| gmb | Ah, I see. That's from bac's work and I've not spotted it... | 15:40 |
| gmb | adeuring: Hmm. Lemme check. | 15:40 |
| gmb | adeuring: I honestly don't know. | 15:41 |
| bigjools | adeuring: hi, I've got a small branch in the queue, no rush. TIA :) | 15:41 |
| gmb | adeuring So, I'll put it back and run EC2 and see what happens. | 15:41 |
| adeuring | bigjools: I'll look | 15:41 |
| adeuring | gmb: ok, sounds good | 15:41 |
| gmb | Ta | 15:42 |
| jcsackett | sinzui: would you like to mumble this morning? | 15:43 |
| beuno | hello lp devs | 15:51 |
| beuno | I _love_ this new email management story | 15:51 |
| beuno | I get this: | 15:51 |
| beuno | Launchpad Bug Contacts subscription: (unnamed)You do not receive emails from this subscription | 15:51 |
| beuno | any idea what the (unnamed) bit is? should I file a bug? | 15:51 |
| huwshimi | beuno Did you give the subscription a name? | 15:52 |
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| huwshimi | beuno: Did you just create the subscription or was it an old one? | 15:52 |
| beuno | huwshimi, no, not even sure where (or why!) to do that | 15:52 |
| beuno | huwshimi, old | 15:52 |
| jcsackett | allenap: i've made changes to the branch you looked at yesterday, if you could take another look. | 15:52 |
| huwshimi | beuno: I don't know heaps about it, but I'm guessing you might be able to give it a name somwhere | 15:53 |
| beuno | huwshimi, why would I want to name something so efimeral? | 15:54 |
| huwshimi | beuno: Are you around somewhere and have a minute? I wouldn't mind looking at the UI of what you have. | 15:54 |
| wgrant | Anyone in ~launchpad can see the same thing at https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscriptions | 15:55 |
| beuno | huwshimi, I am! I'm in the canonical sumit room, and would love to meet you. I have another hour of sessions, but then I'm free. | 15:55 |
| deryck | beuno, if you name it, bug mail gets the name in headers and in the footer of emails, to help you filter on that name. | 15:56 |
| huwshimi | beuno: I'll try to catch you at some stage. Not sure what I'll be doing in an hour though | 15:56 |
| beuno | deryck, right, that makes a bit of sense | 15:57 |
| huwshimi | deryck: Does that mean someone needs to go back to the subscription and give it a name? | 15:57 |
| beuno | huwshimi, I'm here this and next week | 15:57 |
| huwshimi | beuno: ok, I'll be around until Wednesday | 15:57 |
| deryck | beuno, huwshimi -- you can edit the subscriptions off the target or the +subscriptions or +structural-subscriptions pages, I believe. | 15:59 |
| adeuring | bigjools: r=me | 15:59 |
| bigjools | adeuring: cheers | 15:59 |
| deryck | beuno, huwshimi -- should be able to name it from: https://launchpad.net/launchpad for example | 16:00 |
| beuno | deryck, so maybe it needs a default name? | 16:00 |
| deryck | I may have some details wrong, though, since it's Yellow Squad working on this now :-) | 16:01 |
| deryck | beuno, yeah, probably some string concact of $target-$user-sub or some such. | 16:01 |
| deryck | (Unamed) seems not clear or useful | 16:01 |
| allenap | jcsackett: Already done :) | 16:01 |
| jcsackett | \o/ thanks, allenap! | 16:02 |
| danilos | beuno, there should still be old headers which one used to use for subscriptions filtering | 16:04 |
| deryck | beuno, can you file a bug? I can triage it and assign to story tag. | 16:04 |
| danilos | beuno, fwiw, the bug mail you might have started getting could be due to a change in launchpad product configuration, and is unrelated to the beta fwiw | 16:05 |
| danilos | deryck, thanks for helping out with this :) | 16:05 |
| deryck | danilos, np. :-) I don't mean to nosy my way into your work ;) | 16:07 |
| danilos | deryck, not at all, just go ahead, I am off now as well :) | 16:07 |
| deryck | ok cool :-) | 16:07 |
| danilos | deryck, and we appreciate all the help we can get :) | 16:08 |
| deryck | It's an awesome feature. Many will love it. | 16:08 |
| danilos | as long as launchpadders don't confuse this configuration change with the feature :) | 16:08 |
| danilos | (i.e. ~launchpad losing the contact address) | 16:09 |
| beuno | deryck, I can | 16:10 |
| beuno | danilos, right, no, I get the same amount of email (I was subscribed to everything) | 16:11 |
| huwshimi | danilos: But this change should mean you can stop getting all that mail though right? | 16:11 |
| beuno | this was me taking advantage of muting some email :) | 16:11 |
| danilos | huwshimi, right | 16:11 |
| beuno | deryck, I'll file the bug, I need the karma | 16:11 |
| danilos | beuno, I am sure you'll find a bunch of bugs to report :) | 16:11 |
| huwshimi | danilos: Do you know how I can mute all of this new mail? | 16:12 |
| deryck | I don't even see why we need ~launchpad-bugs. Just unsubscribe it from the ~launchpad, no? | 16:13 |
| deryck | isn't that the account causing issues? huwshimi ^^ | 16:14 |
| huwshimi | deryck: I think it might be | 16:14 |
| wgrant | ~launchpad-bugs' subscription to /launchpad can be removed by a Launchpad admin. But it's not the main problem. | 16:14 |
| deryck | ah | 16:14 |
| wgrant | ~launchpad also gets vcs-imports spam, loggerhead question spam, probably launchpad-reviewers MP spam. | 16:14 |
| deryck | ah | 16:14 |
| wgrant | None of that is fixable. | 16:14 |
| deryck | and ~launchpad lost it's email address | 16:14 |
| deryck | I see | 16:14 |
| wgrant | We may have to readd the address, once everyone is pissed off enough to file critical bugs about all the unstoppable mail. | 16:15 |
| huwshimi | deryck: It's not just that. I'm getting heaps of mail from Loggerhead and stuff now too | 16:15 |
| wgrant | But until we have lots of bugs filed it would be silly to readd it. | 16:15 |
| wgrant | Because we'd never fix it properly. | 16:15 |
| deryck | yeah | 16:15 |
| wgrant | (see eg. the last 5 years of having a contact address) | 16:15 |
| deryck | we just shouldn't expand teams to individual emails. why would anyone really want that ever? | 16:16 |
| deryck | could be easier to fix than file the bug ;) | 16:16 |
| wgrant | deryck: Then who gets the mail? | 16:16 |
| wgrant | eg. ~launchpad is an admin for some teams. Who gets the mail that somebody is trying to join? | 16:17 |
| danilos | huwshimi, you should be able to go to any of the bugs with emails, click on "Edit bug mail" and mute the team subscription | 16:17 |
| deryck | wgrant, if you don't set a contact for the team, no one. | 16:17 |
| wgrant | I think team subscriptions to any object are stupid and should be banned. | 16:17 |
| danilos | huwshimi, with something like "Don't send me email" | 16:17 |
| wgrant | But we use subscriptions for security too. | 16:17 |
| wgrant | So we can't do that. | 16:17 |
| deryck | create a security mailing list for the team that people optionally subscribe to. | 16:17 |
| deryck | this is how the rest of the world works, no? | 16:18 |
| huwshimi | danilos: Thanks | 16:18 |
| wgrant | This sounds a lot like working around an incomplete advanced subscriptions feature to me :) | 16:18 |
| deryck | maybe in one sense | 16:18 |
| deryck | but I think my point is that you want a security or team mailing list, not a team subscription. | 16:19 |
| danilos | wgrant, for security stuff, direct subscriptions are created for the security contact on all security bugs | 16:19 |
| deryck | that magically expands | 16:19 |
| huwshimi | danilos: What about stuff that comes from questions etc? | 16:19 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-db-devel build #245: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 5 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-db-devel/245/ | 16:19 |
| wgrant | deryck: Why? | 16:19 |
| danilos | huwshimi, can't help there, other than filtering | 16:19 |
| huwshimi | danilos: OK thanks :) | 16:20 |
| wgrant | deryck: Security email isn't special enough that it deserves a list. That's just the only way it can sensibly be done now, because LP is broken. | 16:20 |
| wgrant | Hmm, poolie's not here. | 16:20 |
| wgrant | We should unsubscribe loggerhead-team from loggerhead's questions. | 16:20 |
| wgrant | That will stop a lot of the immediate spam. | 16:20 |
| deryck | wgrant, maybe you're right. I'm just being clear that the rest of the world uses a security mailing list, not team membership to manage security bugs. | 16:21 |
| deryck | and that we're conflating the two | 16:21 |
| * danilos -> really out | 16:21 | |
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| deryck | what happened now is that we have a team subscribed for many reasons, not to manage mail | 16:21 |
| deryck | and the conflation is the issue. | 16:21 |
| wgrant | Right. | 16:21 |
| wgrant | A lot of these reasons are obsolete. | 16:21 |
| deryck | right | 16:21 |
| wgrant | Ah, flacoste is readding the address now. | 16:22 |
| deryck | and that's all I mean. I don't mean to overanalyze or suggest the one true way to fix it. just pointing out the root issue. | 16:22 |
| wgrant | deryck: The root issue is that we need to separate permission and subscription, and we probably also want to extend the excellent new structural subscription stuff to cover everything. | 16:22 |
| flacoste | wgrant: yeah, PQM bot will receive all the email we are receiving | 16:23 |
| wgrant | flacoste: We should really fix that PQM bug. | 16:23 |
| flacoste | so it will be sending those kind of error message in a lot of case | 16:23 |
| deryck | wgrant, yes, agreed. | 16:23 |
| flacoste | wgrant: or we should fix launchpad spam :-) | 16:23 |
| flacoste | to be honest, i'm not sure what is the PQM bug in this case | 16:23 |
| flacoste | that it's a member of ~canonical | 16:23 |
| flacoste | actually | 16:23 |
| deryck | yeah, some things we really just should never send mail for | 16:23 |
| flacoste | i don't know why PQM should be a member ~canonical | 16:24 |
| flacoste | it's mainly for branch | 16:24 |
| flacoste | and we always subscribe it explicitely | 16:24 |
| flacoste | which is better | 16:24 |
| wgrant | flacoste: The PQM bug is that it crashes when it can't verify a signature. | 16:24 |
| wgrant | Rather than just ignoring the mail. | 16:24 |
| wgrant | Also it probably shouldn't be a member of ~launchpad, I guess, but it might need those privileges. | 16:25 |
| flacoste | well, even if it didn't oops | 16:25 |
| flacoste | it should send an email about the error | 16:25 |
| flacoste | it can be a legitimate user error | 16:25 |
| wgrant | Possibly. | 16:25 |
| wgrant | I guess having ~launchpad-pqm's email address set to PQM's email address is pretty pointless. | 16:25 |
| flacoste | also | 16:25 |
| wgrant | I can see no possible benefit of that. | 16:25 |
| flacoste | me neither | 16:25 |
| flacoste | but it's hard to set a LP profile to a sink hole | 16:26 |
| flacoste | address | 16:26 |
| wgrant | Yeah. | 16:26 |
| wgrant | We need robot profiles. | 16:26 |
| deryck | sinzui, ping | 16:26 |
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| deryck | benji, are we making noise about +subscriptions or +structural-subscriptions as part of y'all's work? or keeping that on the dl? | 16:52 |
| abentley | adeuring: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/daily-build-permissions/+merge/60207 ? | 16:53 |
| adeuring | abentley: sure | 16:53 |
| abentley | Thanks. | 16:53 |
| benji | deryck: I don't think they're secrets; both should be linked to from user-visible parts of the UI (those users who can see them because of the feature flag that is) | 16:54 |
| benji | adeuring: I have a small review for you when you have a minute: https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/launchpad/bug-777794/+merge/60209 | 16:55 |
| adeuring | benji: sure, I'll look | 16:56 |
| benji | thanks | 16:56 |
| deryck | benji, ok, thanks. Early on in that story there was talk of hiding them until they were ready, and I didn't want to assume they were ready. :-) | 16:56 |
| * deryck is doing IRC duties and wants to be prepared as people ask about new work | 16:57 | |
| adeuring | benji: r=me | 17:01 |
| benji | thanks | 17:01 |
| adeuring | abentley: r=me, just one note: there is an "import re" in a method in test_sourcepackagerecipe.py. I think this import can happen at the top of the file | 17:15 |
| sinzui | deryck: I think all registry admins can hide bug and question comments. I do not think https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/156277 should be assigned to an admin | 17:29 |
| deryck | sinzui, ah, sorry. from the web UI? I didn't realize this. | 17:29 |
| deryck | sinzui, or using an api script? | 17:30 |
| sinzui | deryck: https://dev.launchpad.net/MaintenanceRotationSchedule has link to dealing with spam and there is a script that you can run | 17:30 |
| deryck | sinzui, ok, I'll take a look. | 17:30 |
| deryck | I have such a low tolerance for administrivia. I really suck at keeping up with all this. | 17:31 |
| sinzui | deryck: jcsackett is working on the UI to toggle comment visibility now. You may not ever run that scrip again after today | 17:32 |
| * bigjools is with deryck | 17:33 | |
| deryck | nice | 17:33 |
| deryck | sinzui, and if I have a user spamming bugs with linkedin invites, do I deactive or suspend the account? | 17:34 |
| * deryck sucks at reading 45 wiki pages too :-P | 17:34 | |
| sinzui | suspend and include the question URL in the comment so that we know why | 17:34 |
| deryck | gotchas | 17:34 |
| deryck | sinzui, why isn't hide-comments in the lp tree? | 17:38 |
| sinzui | ask gmb he wrote it | 17:38 |
| sinzui | deryck: I modified that script a week ago so that we could work with questions too | 17:38 |
| sinzui | As I said, jcsackett is adding the UI now | 17:39 |
| deryck | sinzui, is that the copy in the wiki? | 17:39 |
| deryck | ah true | 17:39 |
| sinzui | yes it is | 17:39 |
| deryck | so shall I wait until Monday to hide this comment then? ;) | 17:39 |
| sinzui | jcsackett: when do you estimate we can QA comment hiding in the UI | 17:40 |
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| deryck | sinzui, i was just kidding around. I've got the script running now. | 17:41 |
| deryck | feels so 2004 to have to moderate Launchpad | 17:47 |
| deryck | don't people automate this sort of thing these days ;) | 17:47 |
| * deryck is just kidding around | 17:47 | |
| jcsackett | sinzui: Out to ec2 land now. | 17:50 |
| jcsackett | so I can qa sometime this weekend, or Monday depending. | 17:51 |
| sinzui | jcsackett: thanks, I was just confirming my commitment not to add the api script to the lp tree | 17:53 |
| * jcsackett nods | 17:54 | |
| jcsackett | There should be no need. | 17:54 |
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| gmb | deryck, sinzui: No he didn't. That was intellectronica. At least I think it was. I could be lying. | 18:06 |
| sinzui | gmb: my apologies | 18:06 |
| gmb | sinzui: Don't apologise :) I just don't want people to get the impression that I know anything. | 18:07 |
| sinzui | yes. I know exactly how you feel. People keep asking me questions expecting me know the answer | 18:07 |
| sinzui | Help! I see that @operation_returns_collection_of errors if the method it decorates returns a Set. Can I make it like the Set, or do I need to change it to a list? | 18:21 |
| sinzui | I think there may be good reason the method returns a Set. | 18:22 |
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| SteveA | hi, quick question. I couldn't find the answer on a cursory look at the launchpad dev wiki | 18:44 |
| SteveA | how long is a launchpad dev cycle? | 18:44 |
| EvilUrsinha | SteveA, it used to be about a month | 18:45 |
| SteveA | specifically, how long does a squad work on one area? | 18:46 |
| abentley | SteveA: Mostly, we release features when they are done: https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/ReleaseFeaturesWhenTheyAreDone | 18:46 |
| EvilUrsinha | SteveA, that's a bit different question, what abentley said | 18:46 |
| abentley | SteveA: as long as it takes to complete the feature. | 18:46 |
| SteveA | cool :-) | 18:47 |
| SteveA | for the most part (the modal average, say) how long does a squad work on a feature? | 18:47 |
| SteveA | or rather, on an area of the codebase | 18:47 |
| abentley | SteveA: We have two feature squads and two maintenance squads at a time. When a feature squad finishes, they swap with a maintenance squad. | 18:47 |
| abentley | SteveA: I don't think we've got enough experience to answer this. We've only been doing this since the last Epic. | 18:48 |
| sinzui | SteveA 4-13 months, but that we want to scope features into small units so that no feature is longer than a few months. We want teams to rotate to do maintenance more often. | 18:49 |
| SteveA | ok, I understand, I think. Thanks sinzui | 18:51 |
| SteveA | thanks abentley and EvilUrsinha too | 18:51 |
| EvilUrsinha | no problem :) | 18:52 |
| abentley | SteveA, np | 18:52 |
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| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #42: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 7 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/42/ | 19:06 |
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| deryck | benji, wouldn't the views I was asking about this morning count as a single view of subscriptions. i.e. https://launchpad.net/~deryck/+subscriptions and https://launchpad.net/~deryck/+structural-subscriptions ? | 19:11 |
| deryck | well where single == two views ;) | 19:11 |
| benji | deryck: I think so! I had forgotten that +structural-subscriptions works for a user; I thought there was only a list of directly subscribed bugs (i.e., ~user/+subscriptions) | 19:14 |
| deryck | benji, right. jkakar might be interested in that ^^ then | 19:14 |
| jkakar | Hiya benji, deryck. :) | 19:15 |
| * jkakar looks at +structural-subscriptions | 19:15 | |
| benji | hmm, I can't find any links to those pages; I wonder why not | 19:15 |
| benji | it seems to me that there should be a link from the ~user page to those | 19:16 |
| deryck | benji, right. that's why I asked this morning. | 19:16 |
| jkakar | benji, deryck: Uhm... my first impression is that I have no idea why I'm seeing what I'm seeing on this page. :) | 19:16 |
| deryck | benji, early on they needed a lot of polish | 19:16 |
| deryck | excatly! :-) | 19:16 |
| benji | the style looks messed up on +structural-subscriptions, those boxes should be full width | 19:16 |
| benji | oh, and the edit links take you to the old-style subscription edit pages | 19:17 |
| deryck | yeah, maybe they're not ready to talk about | 19:17 |
| benji | deryck and jkakar: ok, those are definatly not meant for public consumption; we need to either kill those or fix them posthaste | 19:18 |
| deryck | benji, right | 19:18 |
| benji | sorry for the confusion | 19:18 |
| deryck | np | 19:19 |
| jkakar | benji: Okay, cool. | 19:19 |
| deryck | but as a rough, unpolished sketch of what you're subscribed to, they're not bad | 19:20 |
| deryck | lp subscriptions easter egg | 19:20 |
| jkakar | benji: I think what I want to see is something like (1) a list of bug subscriptions I have (ie, things I explicitly subscribed to), (2) a list of projects that I get bug or merge proposal mail from because I'm in a team, and (3) a way to control each of those things. | 19:20 |
| benji | That's one of the downsides of deploying incomplete features, they are sometimes never finished. | 19:21 |
| jkakar | benji: Yeah. Though, seeing something unfinished in production can also be a strong motivator to land further improvements. | 19:21 |
| jkakar | Anyway, I'm really glad you guys are pushing this work forward. It's going to be so great to have control of these issues. | 19:21 |
| benji | yeah, that would be quite nice; you'll also probably want a list of all the non-subscription reasons you can get email; there are quite a few of those | 19:22 |
| jkakar | benji: Yeah, I probably do want that... particularly because I don't understand what they are off the top of my head... it would be nice to see it all in one place so I could complete my mental model of how LP notifies me of things. | 19:23 |
| jkakar | Uh oh, am getting repeated OOPSes trying to load: https://launchpad.net/fluidinfo/+milestone/11.05 | 19:45 |
| jkakar | Like OOPS-1952AY485 for example. | 19:45 |
| sinzui | jkakar: You have discovered a bug! looks like the page dies trying to render the structural subscription menu items | 19:48 |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #43: STILL FAILING in 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/43/ | 19:49 |
| jkakar | sinzui: Ah, oops. :) | 19:50 |
| sinzui | I am reporting the bug now | 19:50 |
| sinzui | jkakar: I can see the page as anonymous since we do not try to render the bad link | 19:53 |
| sinzui | I think the issue may just be project group milestons | 19:53 |
| jkakar | sinzui: But I guess you can't see any bugs because the project is private, right? | 19:53 |
| sinzui | I see 1 | 19:53 |
| jkakar | sinzui: Interesting, I can load https://launchpad.net/storm/+milestone/0.19 without issue. | 19:54 |
| jkakar | sinzui: Ah, which one? :) | 19:54 |
| sinzui | bug 664548 | 19:54 |
| _mup_ | Bug #664548: Rearrange chairs on upper decks <story-brave-new-world> <Fluidinfo:In Progress by fluiddb-dev> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/664548 > | 19:54 |
| jkakar | sinzui: Ah, okay, that one is public indeed. Thanks. | 19:54 |
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| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #44: STILL FAILING in 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/44/ | 20:59 |
| * deryck reboots, brb | 21:00 | |
| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #45: STILL FAILING in 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/45/ | 21:43 |
| lifeless | jkakar: I didn't realise fluidinfo used lp. Cool. | 21:48 |
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| LPCIBot | Project windmill-devel build #46: STILL FAILING in 43 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/windmill-devel/46/ | 22:29 |
| lifeless | spammer on bug 411296 | 23:17 |
| _mup_ | Bug #411296: traceback if python has no ssl support: httplib module has no HTTPSConnection <https> <Bazaar:Confirmed for vila> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/411296 > | 23:17 |
| LPCIBot | Project db-devel build #523: FAILURE in 5 hr 13 min: https://lpci.wedontsleep.org/job/db-devel/523/ | 23:22 |
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