[09:08] <Toki> nlsthzn: You're on the K?!
[09:09] <nlsthzn> Toki: hey, I was... until yesterday
[09:09] <nlsthzn> well, technically I am still in the K...
[09:09] <nlsthzn> KDE
[09:09] <nlsthzn> :p
[09:09] <nlsthzn> but not Kubuntu
[09:09] <Toki> Back on U, then?
[09:09] <Toki> Yeah, I see "K"onversation. :)
[09:09] <nlsthzn> openSUSE 11.4 KDE
[13:40]  * nlsthzn lurks
[13:57] <Toki> nlsthzn: Sorry, I had to go.
[13:58] <Toki> So did you go hopping from Ubuntu again?
[13:58] <nlsthzn> Toki: hey , np... I was went to bed for a few hours... killer flu/cold got me good
[13:59] <Toki> nlsthzn: Bird flu? :o
[13:59] <nlsthzn> Toki: doubt it... seasonal flu I am guessing
[13:59] <Toki> I kid, have a good rest... dabbling with GNU/Linux, that is...
[13:59] <Toki> :)
[14:00] <Toki> Summer cold, eh?
[14:00] <nlsthzn> Toki: :) but yes... back using Geeko's playing ground :)
[14:01] <Toki> ... And Geeko is...?
[14:03] <Toki> nlsthzn?
[14:03] <nlsthzn> busy looking for the best link to explant
[14:03] <nlsthzn> *explain
[14:03] <Toki> Ah, sorry for the trouble.
[14:03] <nlsthzn> http://www.google.ae/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=AaL&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=p_HDTZngBcHYrQfisqCABQ&ved=0CDEQvgUoAA&q=geeko&nfpr=1&biw=1280&bih=692
[14:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[14:03] <Toki> Oh, and did Ii mention that my laptop's down in water?
[14:04] <nlsthzn> it is the name of the opensuse mascot
[14:04] <Toki> Ah, I see,
[14:04] <Toki> Uses GNOME Shell by default, oS?
[14:05] <nlsthzn> not yet... but they have packaged it first... so the official gnome-shell demonstraters are fedora 15 and openSUSE
[14:05] <Toki> By the way, Xubuntu looks pretty good though I couldn't get it to install on my P4 system, for reasons unknow.
[14:06] <Toki> *unknown
[14:07] <nlsthzn> strange, I have just heard good things about Xubuntu recently
[14:08] <nlsthzn> but then again, even Kubuntu 11.04 is the best in a long while and it is still struggling for stability against other KDE offers
[14:08] <Toki> Yeah, the Live session's good, unlike the installer.
[14:09] <Toki> Too much effort on Unity, and neglect of base system, maybe?
[14:10] <nlsthzn> Toki: well, even Mark has said Unity is a kind of a public beta... and I do think it was too much too soon ... however, the spin-offs never get the same amount of attention...
[14:11] <nlsthzn> Kubuntu has zero branding by defualt... nothing to say it is Kubuntu and not just another distro with KDE 4.6
[14:11] <Toki> I don't know why no branding goes into Kubuntu when even Xubuntu and Lubuntu has some.
[14:12] <Toki> Kubuntu does have it's own logo, Pretty stupid that there's no branding inside.
[14:15] <nlsthzn> Toki: I usualy changed the menu launcher icon to the kubuntu logo at least so I knew I was using Kubuntu... if you see how much effort goes into openSUSE to brand everything, even the libre office splash screens... so much attention to detail
[14:16] <Toki> Aye, it's just sad.
[14:26] <nlsthzn> the one good thing Kubuntu has going for it is that it has mostly the same ease of use options that Ubuntu has... software center (but not the option of paid apps)... and also still no Ubuntu 1 :/
[14:31] <Toki> Ubuntu One should wok no problem since the underlying structure is the same.
[14:32] <Toki> Only the integration Nautilus enjoys would be missing.,
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Toki: their is currently nothing available officially... the windows client is almost done but nothing for Kubuntu :/
[14:36] <nlsthzn> really feels like Canonical is going for the money with this
[14:38] <Toki> I think they feel it's important, since many users switch from Windows in office to Ubuntu back home - you get the dea.
[14:38] <nlsthzn> Toki: maybe
[14:42] <Toki> Maybe schmaebey, but that doesn't excuse the neglect.
[14:43] <nlsthzn> I agree...
[14:43] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:43] <Toki> The python backend works regardless of the DE, so how dfficult would it be to write a simple frontend?
[14:44] <nlsthzn> seems it is more difficult than we imagine (or more difficult to find someone with time to do it)
[14:47] <Toki> Gotta file a bug report. :)
[14:49] <nlsthzn> :) I filed several bug reports for Kubuntu, but they all got filed in KDE ... all been marked as duplicates and got lots of angry mails that we should stop spamming about known issues... none of the issues in openSUSE yet
[14:49] <nlsthzn> but I did get a repo that has most of the latest versions of a lot of applications which helps
[14:55] <Toki> Were they really duplicates according to you?
[14:56] <Toki> nlsthzn
[14:57] <nlsthzn> Toki: maybe... thing was, when I read the reports they where from other distro's... so I decided to make a new one... seems however that it was the same KDE issue so they are still duplicates... I am used to filing bugs for Ubuntu in launchpad.... only one distro :)
[14:57] <Toki> I see.
[15:04] <Toki> By the way, do you have any machine running Intel VGA?
[15:06] <nlsthzn> yup, my lappy I am currently using
[15:07] <Toki> Do you experience this bug? http://slinkyourphotosup.blogspot.com/
[15:07] <Toki> Oops!
[15:08] <Toki> Do you experience this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/740893
[15:10] <Toki> What version s your kernel version? nlsthzn
[15:11] <nlsthzn> Toki: no, I hadn't had that issue yet... but I have intel 945 graphics
[15:11] <nlsthzn> currently using 2.6.37.1-1.2-pae
[15:12] <Toki> Try *.38.
[15:14] <nlsthzn> why?
[15:16] <Toki> nlsthzn: To see the bug affects you.
[15:17] <Toki> 37 shows no problem for me, 38 is the ssue,
[15:18] <nlsthzn> I am not using the same Intel graphics system and I was able to run Natty just fine on this laptop (I think natty uses .38)...
[15:20] <Toki> I see.