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earthling_I'm able to play video files from my RAM, is there a way to save it to hard drive?00:01
earthling_http://thevoidghost.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/flash-cache-on-ubuntu-linux/00:01
earthling_I get this error:   Streaming / Transcoding failed:00:07
earthling_It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder:00:07
earthling_MPEG AAC Audio.00:07
earthling_If you don't know how to fix this, ask for support from your distribution.00:07
holsteinearthling_: check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/AAC00:08
earthling_ok00:08
holsteinearthling_: i would ask the video creators for a copy of the video*00:09
earthling_I'm trying to master a technique to download videos from youtube and such00:09
holsteinright00:09
earthling_:)00:09
holsteinmaybe you're not supposed to00:10
holsteinas a digital content creator, i say, ask for a copy00:10
earthling_for non-copyright ones00:10
earthling_of course00:10
Error404NotFoun1lol00:10
holsteincool :)00:10
earthling_:)00:10
holsteinim sure you can do that00:10
holsteinused to be plug-ins00:10
earthling_it used to be easy in FF300:10
earthling_just look in cache00:10
holsteinbrowser plug-ins00:10
earthling_can I trust the plug-ins?00:11
earthling_they are closed source, right?00:11
holsteindoes https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/unplug/ work?00:11
holsteinearthling_: trust?00:11
earthling_to not be installing any extra stuff00:12
holsteinup to you00:12
holsteinwould i  trust a browser plugin?00:12
holsteinsure...00:12
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54784800:12
holsteinhey00:12
holsteinhttp://code.google.com/p/vdown/ that looks handy00:12
earthling_I haven't tried that one00:13
earthling_checking it out00:13
earthling_thx00:15
earthling_ok, seems to work now00:34
earthling_all I needed to do was simple cp command00:34
earthling_:P00:36
tranceNRGWould someone running 64-bit 10.04 be good enough to tell me their current md5 or sha1 checksum for /usr/bin/apt-get00:37
earthling_32 bit here00:37
earthling_Is 64 bit a lot better?00:37
atari314if you have 4gb of RAM and proper apps for 64... yup00:38
earthling_what about windows 7 running 64 bit with 4gb RAM vs ubuntu running 32 bit with 2gb RAM?00:41
earthling_if you had to choose00:41
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earthling_maybe thats a bit offtopic, nevermind00:43
tranceNRGno worries, IRC tends to be a bit more asynchronous in conversation flow then you might be used to00:44
tranceNRGSo responses come slowly00:44
earthling_I see00:45
tranceNRGkind of a cross between AIM and a message board lol.00:45
tranceNRGBut anyway 64-bit can offer a performance advantage with some programs/circumstances.00:45
tranceNRGI run 64-bit on my main desktop but 32 on everything else.00:46
earthling_cool00:51
Error404NotFoun1im having problems with flash01:08
Error404NotFoun1anyone help?01:08
Guest92022i upgraded to 11.04 and wireless died01:12
Guest92022rtl8192e wireless controller01:12
Guest92022on samsung n130. anyone help?01:12
holsteinError404NotFoun1: for me, flash is its own problem01:49
holsteinits gotten a lot better01:50
holsteinbut just messing with differnt drivers01:50
holsteinand browsers01:50
holsteintweaking here and there01:50
Error404NotFoun1was at website with a lot of flash and it was trippin out01:50
holsteinthats about all you can do01:50
pabstsmearhi, I am having a problem with my wireless driver.  I have a bcm4312 LP-PHY and in additional drivers I have installed the Broadcom B43 wireless driver.  I can see my wireless network but it won't authenticate(yes it is the right password, I rechecked a few times now)02:49
Error404NotFoun1interesting02:49
Error404NotFoun1can u wire it?02:50
pabstsmearyes, I am connected via wire currently02:50
pabstsmearAlso sometimes(not all the time), when I restart it tells me the driver is not active again and I have to re-install it.02:52
Error404NotFoun1i would say its not the right driver then02:55
Error404NotFoun1you update ubuntu?02:55
Error404NotFoun1might find diff drivers02:55
pabstsmearwell, the wierd thing is the driver worked earlier today, actually it worked about a half hour ago.02:55
Error404NotFoun1laptop?02:56
pabstsmearAlso the driver is correct for the BCM4312-LP-PHY, but there is another one for BCM4312-, I've tried that and it won't install correctly.02:56
pabstsmearyes02:56
Error404NotFoun1did you google it?02:57
Error404NotFoun1prolly be better help that i am02:57
pabstsmearyes, though I can't seem to find anything promising yet.  I will continue looking.02:58
Error404NotFoun1who makes the nic?02:59
Error404NotFoun1broadcom?02:59
Error404NotFoun1is it 802.11g?03:00
pabstsmearyes03:00
pabstsmearcould it be an issues with using the PAE kernel.  It seemed to work fine on the regular kernel03:01
Error404NotFoun1no clue03:01
pabstsmearalthough it was working fine on here earlier.03:01
Error404NotFoun1does it say its a usb nic?03:01
pabstsmearwell, its not a usb nic, but where would it say that? in lspci?03:02
Error404NotFoun1yeah03:02
holsteinlsusb03:02
Error404NotFoun1use this03:03
Error404NotFoun1lspci -vnn | grep 14e403:03
pabstsmearnot getting it in lsusb03:03
Error404NotFoun1paste that into terminal03:03
pabstsmearit does not say its usb03:04
pabstsmearshould I paste the output03:04
Error404NotFoun1b34 driver should work03:05
Error404NotFoun1or wl03:05
pabstsmeardo you mean b4303:05
Error404NotFoun1yeah03:06
Error404NotFoun1lol03:06
pabstsmearI am using the b4303:06
Error404NotFoun1im lisdexic03:06
pabstsmearlol03:06
pabstsmearit was working earlier.  I did not delete the other kernel yet, I am going to try to boot into that and see if it is working, brb.03:07
ogogogheeyy, i need help to install a wifi card03:09
holsteinogogog: the driver?03:09
ogogogyeah03:09
holsteincan you plug into internet?03:09
holsteinfor a second?03:09
ogogogyeah03:09
ogogogim connected with a lan cable03:09
ogogogmy card is a bcm43xG03:10
holsteinOK03:10
Error404NotFoun1lol03:10
ogogogit's been two hours i'm trying to fix it ahha03:11
pabstsmearbooting into the regular kernel didn't change anything03:11
holsteinogogog: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx03:12
Error404NotFoun1sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter]03:12
ogogoggonna try that03:12
Error404NotFoun1no bracket at end03:12
ogogogunable to lacate package03:13
ogogoglocate03:13
Error404NotFoun1did you delete the bracket lol03:13
ogogogyeah yeah i did :P03:13
Error404NotFoun1sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome03:14
Error404NotFoun1er03:14
ogogogalready on the newest version03:14
ogogogi think i'll have to work with ndiswrapper or something03:14
Error404NotFoun1lspci | grep Broadcom\ Corporation03:15
Error404NotFoun1in terminal03:15
Error404NotFoun1should say broadcom corp some crap03:15
ogogogbroad com BCM43xG03:15
Error404NotFoun1well here this site should help you get it working03:16
Error404NotFoun1http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=18517403:16
ogogogthanks03:16
holsteinogogog: sudo apt-get update03:16
r4yHello03:17
holsteinare you sure you're online?03:17
ogogogyeah03:17
ogogogwouldn't talking to you right?03:17
Error404NotFoun1lol03:17
holsteinsudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer03:17
r4yis there a mame channel for ubuntu users?03:18
ogogogooooh03:18
ogogogsweet03:18
ogogogit just installed it!03:18
Error404NotFoun1lol03:18
ogogogbut what do i do then ahha03:18
Error404NotFoun1i was close03:18
holsteinogogog: thats from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx03:18
ogogogahha yeah03:18
Error404NotFoun1ive had like 5 shots so..03:19
Error404NotFoun1and im tryin to install ubuntu on my other poc computer03:19
Error404NotFoun1and its not working03:19
holsteintrying?03:19
holsteingrab it by the horns Error404NotFoun1 :)03:19
r4ylol03:20
Error404NotFoun1hammer!03:20
Error404NotFoun1ooh i think it may be working03:20
Error404NotFoun1knowing my luck it wont03:20
holsteinr4y: http://mamedev.org/ ?03:20
r4yUse the flag to distract that bull and take it by suprise03:20
holsteinis that the MAME that you're talking about?03:21
Error404NotFoun1nope not working......03:21
* Error404NotFoun1 smashes face off keyboard03:21
holsteinError404NotFoun1: how's it run live?03:21
Error404NotFoun1it dont03:21
Error404NotFoun1it looked like it booted the cd03:21
Error404NotFoun1now i have a black screen03:21
holsteinwell, thats where you start03:21
r4yThis is the guide I was using which had worked for Ubuntu 10.04 but now in 10.10 it doesn't seem to work:03:21
r4yhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150581903:21
holsteinError404NotFoun1: you have a 10.04 live CD Error404NotFoun1 ?03:21
holsteinif not, boot the live CD you have03:22
holsteinhit shift03:22
holsteingo into the f4 menu03:22
holsteinand try 'nomodeset'03:22
holsteinyou want to see the live desktop03:22
r4yI should try my other hard drive first which has Ubuntu 10.10 installed on it, I'll be back03:22
holsteinyou'll have a much easier time then03:22
* holstein hasnt heard of mame03:23
Error404NotFoun1now it on purple screen says ubuntu03:23
Error404NotFoun1doing nothing03:23
holsteinright03:23
holsteinyou need to hit shift before that03:23
holsteinif i were you03:23
holstein*when i do this03:23
holsteini unplug the hard drive03:23
Error404NotFoun1you would use a hammer?03:23
holsteinso i can forcefully reboot03:23
holsteinand not damage it03:24
Error404NotFoun1ooh install screen ftw03:24
holsteinError404NotFoun1: look around in the F4 menu there03:24
Error404NotFoun1must just seem like its not doin anything cuz its a pos old computer03:25
holsteinError404NotFoun1: its gracphics related03:25
Error404NotFoun1oh ffs03:25
holsteini have 10.10 installed on a p303:25
Error404NotFoun1now its not seeing my hdd again03:25
holsteinwith 256 of ram03:25
Error404NotFoun1i dont have atleast 4.4gb drive space..03:25
holsteini wont be doing any video editing on it ;)03:25
Error404NotFoun1man i hate computers03:26
holsteinError404NotFoun1: run it live03:26
holsteindont enter the installer03:26
holsteinyou want to see desktop*03:26
Error404NotFoun1having hdd issues03:26
holsteinright03:26
holsteinyou should get to the desktop03:26
holsteinand run gparted03:26
Error404NotFoun1it just booted windows03:26
holsteintake a look around on the HD03:26
holsteinit?03:26
Error404NotFoun1and hdd was in bios now its not there03:26
holsteinits a machine ;)03:26
holsteinError404NotFoun1: hey03:26
holsteini had a bad ide cable that was acting like that onces03:27
holsteinonce*03:27
Error404NotFoun1its gonna be a pile of rubble in a minute03:27
Error404NotFoun1i changed power and sata wires03:27
Error404NotFoun1still does it03:27
holsteinso its probably not them then03:27
holsteini would say you can rule that out03:27
Error404NotFoun1yeah then its my 150 gb raptor...03:28
holsteinwhich is good :)03:28
ogogoghey i downloaded the driver, but i cant find it in the additionnal drivers window03:34
holsteinogogog: you shouldnt need it03:34
holsteinare you in unity?03:34
ogogogbrb03:34
ogogognope03:35
holsteini would just search 'additional'03:35
holsteinits over in system03:35
ogogogim on the latest03:35
ogogog11.0403:35
holsteinright03:35
holsteinthats unity03:35
holsteinunless youre not03:35
holsteinif you're in classic mode*03:35
ogogogisn't it something narwhal03:35
ogogogi think im in the classic03:35
Error404NotFoun1wth03:36
holsteinogogog: 2 panels?03:36
Error404NotFoun1live is seing a 2.7gb drive...03:36
holsteinor a 'dock' down the side ogogog ?03:36
ogogogon the side03:36
Error404NotFoun1how can live cd see a 2.7gb drive03:36
holsteinogogog: thats unity03:36
Error404NotFoun1when there is no other drive than the 150gb raptor03:36
holsteinunity is the UI03:36
holsteininstead of the old gnome03:37
ogogogok03:37
holsteinthe release name is natty03:37
holsteinlike you said03:37
ogogogok that,s right03:37
Error404NotFoun1holstein:03:38
ogogogbut yeah, the additional drivers only shows nvidia video card drviers03:38
ogogognot the one i just dwnld03:38
holsteinogogog: right03:38
holsteinyou shouldnt have to*03:38
holsteinits been a bug03:38
holsteinthat doesnt show that driver03:39
holsteinavailable03:39
holsteinSO03:39
holsteinyou should need to go to additional drivers03:39
holsteinyou just install those packages03:39
holsteinand it should just work03:39
holsteinif not03:39
holsteini would reboot03:39
Error404NotFoun1i am very confuzled03:39
holsteinjust for good measuer03:39
holsteinmeasure*03:39
ogogogi think i'll do that03:39
ogogogbrb03:39
holsteinthen, read more of that page03:39
holsteinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx03:39
holsteinmake sure you got the hardware in question*03:40
holsteinError404NotFoun1: ?03:40
Error404NotFoun1live cd says i have a hdd thats only like 3 gigs03:40
Error404NotFoun1sayd 2.7gb used 948.1mb free03:40
holsteinError404NotFoun1: you need to look into the driver support for your sata controller next03:41
holsteinError404NotFoun1: im assuming when you say 'live CD says'03:41
holsteinyou mean gparted?03:41
Error404NotFoun1im in ubuntu03:41
Error404NotFoun1running from cd03:41
holsteinright03:41
holsteinSO, what is reporting the size03:41
holstein?03:41
holsteingparted?03:41
Error404NotFoun1went to computer and file system03:41
holsteinthats what you should open03:42
holsteingparted03:42
holsteinfrom the system menu03:42
Error404NotFoun1how03:42
holsteinyou go to gparted03:42
holsteinin the menu03:42
holsteinits clickNrun :)03:42
Error404NotFoun1lost03:42
Error404NotFoun1found it03:43
Error404NotFoun1gparted says no devices  detected03:43
holsteinError404NotFoun1: thats not good03:44
holsteinthats what you want to be reporting03:44
holsteinthats what you trust03:45
Error404NotFoun1i hate computers!03:45
Error404NotFoun1i really dont get why bios said it was there, loaded windows03:46
Error404NotFoun1and when i try ubuntu its gone03:46
holsteinError404NotFoun1: well, im telling you03:46
holsteinit could be your sata controller drivers03:46
holsteinif i were you, i would go get an old pata drive03:46
Error404NotFoun1dont have one03:47
arnaudmessiermwawawawawa03:47
arnaudmessiermahha i'm so lost03:47
Error404NotFoun1g parted see my usb hdd03:47
arnaudmessiermi'm ogog03:48
holsteinright03:48
holsteinError404NotFoun1: you can get those at charity shops for a couple bucks03:48
Error404NotFoun1im poor03:48
holsteinOR find them in the trash03:48
holsteinif you're looking around03:48
Error404NotFoun1why do i need an old hdd03:48
Error404NotFoun1i think my puter is just messed03:50
Error404NotFoun1takes eons to post03:50
pabstsmearhello again, I am trying to install the broadcom sta driver but I get this Sorry, installation of this driver failed. and it directs me to a log file... /var/log/jockey.log03:50
holsteinError404NotFoun1: you dont03:50
Error404NotFoun1now its not in bios again03:51
holsteinbut, that could be easier to deal with03:51
pabstsmearin the log I get 2011-05-05 22:48:13,111 DEBUG: BroadcomWLHandler enabled(): kmod disabled, bcm43xx: blacklisted, b43: blacklisted, b43legacy: blacklisted03:51
holsteinError404NotFoun1: i think its hardware failure03:51
Error404NotFoun1not my raptor!03:51
Error404NotFoun1i should pop in a new bios03:51
pabstsmearI actually have a second and its been giving me the same thing for both03:51
* holstein gotta run..03:51
Error404NotFoun1crap03:52
ray__I was here a while ago and ask this05:38
ray__I have used this guide in Ubuntu 10.04 but with 10.10 it doesn't work05:38
ray__http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=150581905:38
ray__http://imagebin.org/15197105:39
holsteinray__: is this mame?05:39
holsteinray__: cant get it installed?05:39
ray__It's sdlmame05:39
holsteinor wont run?05:40
holsteinray__: lol05:40
ray__mame which used to be called sdlmame can't install on 10.1005:40
holsteinoh, i thought you had a lame joke there ;)05:40
holsteinray__: is it not installing?05:41
holsteinor is it your graphics card?05:41
ray__No05:41
* holstein looks at pastebin05:41
ray__It doesn't install and my graphics card works great05:41
ray__I can run mupen64plus05:42
holsteinthis wont do?05:42
holsteinhttps://launchpad.net/~c.falco/+archive/umame05:42
holsteinany of these really05:43
holsteinhttps://launchpad.net/~c.falco/+ppa-packages05:43
ray__I don't understand05:43
holsteingotta have sdl ?05:43
holsteinray__: did you try any of those PPAs?05:43
ray__xmame is outdated for sure05:43
holsteinso, those PPA's wont work for you?05:43
ray__You mean the PPAs you linked to me?05:44
ray__If so then no05:44
ray__So 0.142 mame is unstable05:44
ray__??05:44
holsteinhttp://sdlmame.wallyweek.org/repository/05:44
holsteinhow about that one?05:45
ray__That was the one I was installing from05:45
ray__In the guide I first linked, he said to install mame common first, then mame and mame tools05:45
ray__From the link you last posted05:45
holsteini would probably just install mame05:46
ray__But that is the only one that will not install05:46
ray__You mean from the link sdlmame.wally?05:46
holsteinray__: did you try building it?05:47
ray__No, I have a guide I posted somewhere that does not work because of this05:47
holsteinbuilding?05:47
ray__Like I said it worked on Ubuntu Lucid Lynxs05:47
holsteinyou cant build because of this?05:47
ray__I didn't say that05:48
holsteinOK05:48
holsteinyou could try contacting the PPA maintainer05:48
ray__I am not sure. I read a link somewhere about the name changing, but I bookmarked it on another hard drive05:48
holsteinor maybe find another PPA05:48
ray__I think you are right05:48
holsteinor just build it from the site05:48
holsteini mean, theres nothing really in 10.10 thats particularly breaking it05:49
holsteinfor any good reason*05:49
holsteinray__: try removing mame-common05:49
holsteinand the other05:49
holsteinand just install mame05:50
ray__OK, I will05:50
ray__I was thinking that when you said something but I didn't say so or that I hadn't tried it05:50
ray__Hold on, I need to take a screenshot here of what synaptic has listed05:53
ray__I did un-install though05:53
holsteinright05:53
holsteinremove whatever you installed05:53
holsteinand run05:53
holsteinsudo apt-get update05:53
holsteinsudo apt-get install mame05:53
holsteinand see what the output is05:53
ray__http://imagebin.org/15197205:54
holsteinray__: right05:54
ray__OK, I update manager popped up right after I did sudo apt-get update05:55
holsteinyou can close it05:55
ray__Did you see the imagebin?05:56
ray__If I do sudo apt-get install mame then it might install 0.139 of mame and I have 0.142 which will not work05:57
ray__The question here is how to be able to remove sdlmame for 0.139 and install 0.142 in it's place05:57
holsteinray__: you need a PPA05:59
holsteinthat has that newer version05:59
holsteinOR05:59
holsteinyou have to build it05:59
ray__Like you said, I should contact them05:59
holsteinyou can install it05:59
holsteinand see05:59
holsteinyou can always uninstall it05:59
ray__Like I said I have a guide for Ubuntu users which I am not allowed to mention where but what the hay why not. It's at Pleasuredome06:00
ray__They like to stay up to date06:00
holsteinray__: you did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:c.falco/mame ?06:00
holsteinray__: i dont know what you are talking about06:01
holsteinif you have a guide06:01
holsteinfollow it06:01
holsteinif its broken06:01
holsteindont use it06:01
ray__No, I am unsure I want to but I am on my experiemental hard drive so why not06:01
holsteinor ask for it to be fixed06:01
holsteinif you want to install the packages06:01
holsteinfrom that PPA06:01
holsteinthen, tell me if you ran sudo add-apt-repository ppa:c.falco/mame06:01
holsteinand if not06:02
holsteinrun that06:02
holsteinhey, run it anyways06:02
ray__OK, I will try it06:02
holsteinopen a terminal06:02
holsteinrun06:02
holsteinsudo add-apt-repository ppa:c.falco/mame06:02
holsteinthen06:02
holsteinif no errors06:02
holsteinrun06:02
holsteinsudo apt-get update06:02
holsteinthen06:02
holsteinif no erros06:02
holsteinif no errors06:02
holsteinrun06:02
holsteinsudo apt-get install mame06:02
holsteinand dont run synaptic06:02
holsteinin the middle06:02
holsteinor the update manager06:03
holsteinjust keep going06:03
holsteintil you open mame06:03
holsteinand check the version06:03
ray__OK, doing exactly as you have said06:04
ray__85%06:04
holsteincool06:04
holsteinwhatever version installs06:04
holstein*of mame06:04
holsteinis the latest available06:04
ray__It said 0.142 in the terminal06:04
holsteinray__: there you go :)06:05
holsteinthats the one you want right?06:05
ray__OK, since it is the emulator and not the front end I need to install a frontend like gmameui to test06:05
holsteinwell, i have no idea about that06:06
holsteinbut you should be able to run06:06
holsteinmame -v06:06
ray__OK, I will try that as well06:06
holsteinmaybe not*06:07
ray__I need to set the path to the folder where the roms are somewhere06:07
holsteinmaybe mame -version06:08
ray__No, you are right06:08
ray__O, I see06:08
ray__I will try, if not them man mame06:08
holsteinmame -help should say*06:08
ray__I will try both06:08
holsteinanyways, now you can write your own guide :)06:08
ray__I should have said more, and your right. I made a guide to help Ubuntu users update their mame roms using PD and linked the guide that that one guy posted06:10
ray__I will have to add what worked as well as the link06:10
ray__I will likely contact the sdlmame.wally team06:10
ray__Why wally?06:11
ray__Well, anyways thank you06:11
holsteinray__: sure :)06:11
holsteinenjoy06:11
ray__Success: http://paste.ubuntu.com/603985/06:12
ray__Thanks a million. I might have lost my mind for a while.06:12
ray__Not as much as if my hard drives all failed but still they need to know what's up, so I will tell them at: http://sdlmame.wallyweek.org06:13
ray__Take care, and keep rocking06:14
holsteinGN06:14
ray__GN holstein06:21
ray__bye all06:24
Error404NotFoun1linux sucks!07:03
mysteriousdarrenreason?07:04
Error404NotFoun1im bored07:04
Error404NotFoun1cuz its not windows07:04
Error404NotFoun1im kidding lol07:04
Error404NotFoun1sorry  i'm  a noob07:05
pricelessAnyone know of software that would encrypt an entire USB thumb drive, but can be decrypted in a Ubuntu or Windows machine?07:08
Error404NotFoun1negative07:09
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Cheri703I am in desperate need of help with pitivi or any other video editing software that will take rmd's ogv files.09:38
Cheri703I am trying to clean up and then join several ogv files created with recordmydesktop09:38
Cheri703and I have been at this for HOURS and have gotten NOWHERE09:38
Cheri703started making a tiny bit of progress and pitivi crashed -_-09:39
bioterrorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software :)09:39
bioterrormake your apt-get sing09:39
=== JonathanS is now known as JonathanD
Cheri703have been already, will see if there's anything on there that I haven't tried yet09:40
=== MarkAllasread is now known as Puck`
madlatvianhi everyone13:42
MrChrisDruifAloha madlatvian13:47
madlatvianwow thanks for the chat13:47
madlatvianwhat do you think of natty13:47
eiriksvinteehee testing TeamViewer and it works like a charm, almost no lag:)13:48
MrChrisDruifHonest opinion? Btw social chat should be kept in #ubuntu-beginners-team13:48
eiriksvinbbl13:49
madlatviando you think anyone would notice ?13:49
MrChrisDruifYes, even I would13:54
madlatviank13:54
=== s-fox is now known as s-fox-afk
BonesOfTheNightHey, I'm in 11.04 with Unity, but I don't have a Tomboy Notes indicator... what gives? Right clicking the top panel does nothing. How do you customize Unity?14:54
holsteinBonesOfTheNight: i think there will be more customization options for unity soon14:55
holsteini have heard theres a way to use the old indicators14:55
holsteinbut maybe i misunderstood14:56
holsteinlemme see if i can find some information about it14:56
BonesOfTheNightAlright. Thanks.14:56
BonesOfTheNightI've been using Ubuntu Classic mode, but I decided the best way to know Unity was to actually *use* it, so... :D14:57
holsteinheres a couple relevant bugs you might want to browse and/or join14:58
holsteinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/62042714:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 620427 in unity "tomboy applet prevents the indicator to be shown" [High,Fix released]14:58
holsteinhttp://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27536/14:58
holsteinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/66667815:00
ubot2Launchpad bug 666678 in unity "Support a container for gnome panel applets" [Undecided,Won't fix]15:00
holsteinBonesOfTheNight: yeah, i think i misunderstood what i heard15:02
holsteinhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/10597/can-i-use-gnome-applets-in-unity15:02
holstein^ says you cant15:02
holsteinand i dont see anything saying you can use gnome applets in unity15:02
holstein*the old gnome aplets15:02
holsteinapplets15:02
holsteinanyways, like the post says, you cant use them in gnome3 either15:02
holsteinso, you gotta work something out15:03
holsteinas unity matures15:03
holsteinall of that will be worked out15:03
BonesOfTheNightApparently, running the command to start Tomboy, makes the indicator appear.15:03
BonesOfTheNightI don't know if it will show up next time I start the system up, but at least that's better than not having it at all.15:03
BonesOfTheNightThanks. :)15:03
BonesOfTheNightNever saw Gnome3. I'm starting to feel cornered. Gnome2.30 was the pinnacle of quality. Gnome3 seems to depart from the style used in 2.30.15:05
holsteinits just a different UI direction15:07
holsteinthe move to something must happen15:08
holsteinits not so much that ubuntu said 'lets change everything'15:08
holsteingnome is changing15:08
holsteinand gnome2 so far, is not forked15:09
holsteinand unity is the answer for ubuntu15:09
holsteinchange is hard :/15:09
madlatviani've been using it for a week it sucks15:10
BonesOfTheNightSure, everything is progress. I just don't want good features to go away because the move prioritises new features.15:10
holsteinits a pretty high priority though15:10
holsteinand 'good' and 'sucks'15:11
holsteinthose are opinions15:11
BonesOfTheNightI'm kind of annoyed by the lack of a virtual desktop switcher (yeah, there's one, but it works in 2 steps instead of 1), but I'm also finding useful the side panel for that.15:11
holsteini mean, im not using unity15:11
holsteinBUT, im not using 11.0415:11
holsteini have test installations15:12
holsteinbut, i will use 10.04 til the next LTS on most everything15:12
holsteini think ubuntu is trying to get the unity launch out of the way15:12
holsteinso they can prepare for the wayland switch15:13
madlatvianbut I like the terminal look15:13
BonesOfTheNightSo, we're not in Wayland right now?15:13
holsteinthat move is not going to be trivial either15:13
holsteinBonesOfTheNight: not yet15:13
BonesOfTheNightOh, I thought THAT was the reason my Wacom tablet stopped working on updating... I guess the xorg files are just messed up.15:14
BonesOfTheNightThis 'Wayland' thing worries me. How well researched is it? They are changing the X server, right? Isn't that like doing a heart transplant or something? Y'know, changing something major.15:15
holsteinwell, again15:15
holsteinits changing15:15
holsteini think its actually a good move for buntu to try and get it in before the next LTS15:15
holsteinand to go ahead as soon as they can15:16
holsteini mean, ubuntu could fork both gnome2 and x15:16
holsteinbut, evetually, others will move to wayland15:17
holsteincannonical didnt meet and decide to ditch gnome2 and xorg15:17
holsteinthese decisions are in repsonse to big external changes15:18
BonesOfTheNightI know they didn't like Gnome3; but what happened they decided to get rid of Xorg?15:18
holsteinits going away too15:18
holsteinand, its arguably a needed changes15:18
holsteinand, its arguably a needed change*15:19
holsteinsince x is so old15:19
holsteini mean, lets imagine that 11.04 had gnome315:19
holsteinwe would still be talking about how to customize it further15:20
holsteinand how the applets dont work15:20
holsteinand why ubuntu changed15:20
holsteinagain, im not defending unity15:20
holsteinim just saying, change is eminent15:20
holsteinunless you want to fork and maintain gnome2 and xorg in house15:21
holsteinthose technologies are going to either stagnate, or fade away15:21
BonesOfTheNightWell, I'm having a hard time picturing some distros making the switch. I mean, has Debian decided to go this way? o_O15:23
holsteindebian will go wayland15:24
holsteinat some point15:24
holsteinand they will have gnome2 as long as its maintained15:24
holsteindebian doesnt really have a UI like that though15:24
holsteinlike ubuntu-desktop15:25
BonesOfTheNightWhat do you mean?15:25
holsteinwhen you download the ubuntu live CD15:25
holsteinand have gnome, or unity15:25
holsteinas the ubuntu-desktop metapackage*15:25
holsteindebian doest really do that15:26
holsteinyou just get debian15:26
holsteinand choose what DE you want15:26
BonesOfTheNightI see.15:32
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ubuntu_Looking for some help installing Ubuntu10.10 getting stuck at "setting sensors limits"19:26
Error404NotFoun111.04 ftw19:26
MrChrisDruifError404NotFoun1: Is it? :)19:30
MrChrisDruifubuntu_: Setting sensors limits? I never heard of that19:31
Error404NotFoun1nor have i19:31
ubuntu_well, it was "something" sensors limits during install.19:32
holsteinubuntu_: if you can reproduce it19:33
holsteinand get the exact text19:33
holsteinwe can look it up :)19:33
ubuntu_using the live cd to install19:33
holsteinubuntu_: use the live CD to get to the desktop first19:34
holsteinthen install from there*19:34
ubuntu_and yes the MD5 is good, the disk check was good and am using the live CD now on another machine to do this.19:35
holsteinthis?19:35
MrChrisDruifInstalling I think holstein19:35
ubuntu_the live CD will not boot on that machine - stops at the same place when loading.19:35
Error404NotFoun1is there any real reasons not to use natty?19:35
holsteinError404NotFoun1: ui change?19:36
ubuntu_when I first got Ubuntu, 10.10 was the latest19:36
Error404NotFoun1you can use classic19:36
holsteinError404NotFoun1: other than preferecne, not really19:36
Error404NotFoun1it looks no different than 10.1019:36
Error404NotFoun1is there another windows emulator like wine?19:37
holsteinim not using it because its not an LTS19:37
ubuntu_Mr chris, to do this chat19:37
Error404NotFoun1i cant get wine to work19:37
holsteinError404NotFoun1: wine is going to be the best and most supported option19:38
Error404NotFoun1dont work for me19:38
holsteinError404NotFoun1: would you like to trouble shoot it sometime?19:38
Error404NotFoun1im working on it now19:38
holsteinit?19:38
Error404NotFoun1wine lol19:39
MrChrisDruifAlright UndiFineD19:39
MrChrisDruifubuntu_: *19:39
holsteinError404NotFoun1: wine and?19:39
UndiFineD?19:39
MrChrisDruifSorry for the ping UndiFineD19:39
UndiFineDoh hehe19:39
holsteinUndiFineD: tab error :/19:39
Error404NotFoun1holstein: im trying to get it to see my dvd rom19:39
Error404NotFoun1to install19:39
MrChrisDruifIndeed19:39
holsteinError404NotFoun1: just drag the .exe over19:39
Error404NotFoun1over to what19:40
holsteinwhere ever19:40
MrChrisDruifError404NotFoun1: Cedega en PlayOnLinux are two afaik19:40
holsteinError404NotFoun1: drag the dvd contents over to the desktop19:40
Error404NotFoun1dont that mean it wont play from the disk?19:41
holsteinError404NotFoun1: ?19:41
holsteini dont know19:41
holsteinthat depends on what it is19:41
Error404NotFoun1if it dont play from disk im not gonna do it19:41
holsteinbut, yeah19:41
holsteinError404NotFoun1: ?19:41
Error404NotFoun1i have like 4 games to instal which are over 5 gigs19:41
holsteinthey'll need to install somewhere19:41
holsteinError404NotFoun1: open the DVD structure19:42
holsteinand find the .exe19:42
holsteinopen a terminal and type19:42
holsteinwine19:42
holsteinthen space19:42
holsteinand then drag the .exe over into the terimal19:42
holsteinterminal*19:42
holsteinand it should complete the path19:42
Error404NotFoun1yeah19:43
* holstein is assuming you've already checked wineHQ19:43
Error404NotFoun1you assume wrong ;lol19:43
holsteinthats where you look19:43
MrChrisDruifError404NotFoun1: Try #winehq, the experts on Wine19:44
Error404NotFoun1look for what19:44
Error404NotFoun1compatibility?19:44
MrChrisDruifYup19:44
holsteinError404NotFoun1: you'll be looking specifically for the page that says if the work you are about to do is worth doing19:45
Error404NotFoun1one of my games is on here on silver list19:45
holsteinpromising19:45
Error404NotFoun1it only shows 30 programs...19:46
holsteinit?19:46
Error404NotFoun1appdb19:46
holsteingoogle?19:46
holsteini usually just google too19:46
holsteinwineHQ whatever19:46
Error404NotFoun1ok other game says gold rating for wine19:48
* holstein gives thumbs up to Error404NotFoun1 while running out for lunch19:48
holsteinBBL...19:48
ubuntu_Installing Ubuntu 10.10 freezes at "setting sensors limits"  Any help?19:48
Error404NotFoun1ive installed 10.10 a few times and never seen sensor limits...19:49
holsteinubuntu_: how about getting to the desktop?19:49
holsteinLIVE19:49
holsteinwithout installing?19:49
holsteincan you do that?19:49
holstein*try that now19:49
ubuntu_no desktop it freezes there19:49
ubuntu_live does the same19:50
holsteinhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167568519:50
holsteinubuntu_: when the live CD is booting19:51
holsteintry hitting shift19:51
holsteinyou should see more options19:51
holsteinincluding where you and hit F419:51
holsteinand i forget what all is in there19:51
ubuntu_i hit shift nothing at all happens19:51
holsteinbut, browse that for something about sensors19:52
holsteinubuntu_: you have to hit it at the right time19:52
holsteinmight take a couple tries19:52
holsteinubuntu_: for these diagnostic processes19:53
holsteini usually unplug the HD19:53
holsteinso i can forcefully reboot19:53
holsteinand not break anything19:53
ubuntu_www.computing.net/answers/linux/ubunt...19:54
Error404NotFoun1were you not leaveing? lol19:54
Error404NotFoun1erm19:54
holsteinyeah... i got distracted :)19:55
ubuntu_http://www.computing.net/answers/linux/ubuntu-installer-freezes/30741.html19:55
ubuntu_try that one19:55
ubuntu_ther is no help there though19:56
holsteinubuntu_: right19:56
holsteinyou want to get to that screen19:56
holsteinand find the F4 menu19:56
holsteinthe old style one19:56
ubuntu_and then what?19:56
holsteinubuntu_: hit F419:56
holsteinand look at the options19:56
holsteinone is 'nomodeset'19:57
holsteini am not in front of it right now19:57
holsteinso i cant say19:57
ubuntu_that was not an option19:57
holsteinubuntu_: right19:57
holsteinit is19:57
holsteinyou need to push shift at the proper time19:57
holsteinubuntu_: do you see an F4 menu?19:57
holsteinalong the bottom?19:57
holsteinmaybe its F6*19:57
holsteinits black19:58
holsteinwith a logo19:58
holsteinand text19:58
holsteinoptions like 'install ubuntu'19:58
ubuntu_yes, the f4 is along the bottom19:58
holsteinOK19:58
holsteinF4 is 'advanced options' ?19:58
holsteinsomething like that?19:58
holsteinubuntu_: i need to run, but19:58
holsteinwhat you'll want to do19:59
ubuntu_3 options were there - safe was not there19:59
holsteinis pass an option19:59
ubuntu_f6 was advanced options19:59
holsteinto not do that sensor check19:59
holsteinthen, the system will be able to get past that stage19:59
ubuntu_pass was not an option19:59
holsteinRIGHT19:59
holsteinit doesnt say 'pass'19:59
holsteinyou just select the options20:00
holsteinand they will be 'passed'20:00
holsteinwhil the kernel boots20:00
holsteinlike 'nomodeset'20:00
holsteinanyways... gotta run..20:00
ubuntu_tried nomodeset, xforcevesa, acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, acip=off, fb=false, i915.modeset=1 all would get stuck at setting sensors limits and stop20:02
ubuntu_been at this since 6AM20:03
Error404NotFoun1ubuntu why not attempt 11.04?20:03
ubuntu_would an earlier version be better?20:03
Error404NotFoun1im using natty works fine for me20:04
Error404NotFoun1not a whole lot of difference20:04
ubuntu_PC is older Dell P4, 512MB RDRAM on a clean 10GB HDD20:05
Error404NotFoun1paybe thats your problem20:05
Error404NotFoun1maybe*20:05
ubuntu_yeah - DELL20:05
Error404NotFoun1dude you got a dell...20:05
ubuntu_woohoo20:06
ubuntu_i did use gparted on the HD to set ext420:06
Error404NotFoun1and swap?20:07
ubuntu_no20:07
Error404NotFoun1need swap...20:07
ubuntu_figured the install would let me do that20:07
MrChrisDruifError404NotFoun1: Swap is not mandatory20:07
ubuntu_but install freezes20:07
Error404NotFoun1when i didnt do a swap it didnt install for me20:07
ubuntu_maybe i should delete the partition and leave it unallocated?20:08
MrChrisDruifAfaik swap is recommended but not mandatory20:09
Error404NotFoun1make a tiny swap and try it once20:10
ubuntu_is there a boot param to skip the sensor setting check?20:10
ubuntu_it was setting sensors limits - read something about having to do with the processor20:12
ubuntu_and no my p4 does not have hyperthreading20:12
Error404NotFoun1im not much help here im new to linux20:13
ubuntu_you're older than me!20:14
Error404NotFoun1if i was u id make a tiny swap20:14
Error404NotFoun1reset bios and try again20:14
Error404NotFoun1how do you know im older20:14
ubuntu_to linux - this is my cherry20:15
Error404NotFoun1ive been using for a few days now..20:15
ubuntu_see u r older than me20:15
Error404NotFoun1your copy of 10.10 is i386 yes?20:16
ubuntu_most i ever did was use knoppix to recover some data20:16
ubuntu_yes i38620:16
Error404NotFoun1you md5'd the iso and the disk?20:16
Omsniffiscenthey, guys. I'm being randomly logged out when I close Google Chrome. I found a post on google help with people having a similar issue and they claim it's a problem with gnome. I can't find any other threads that talk about this issue.20:16
ubuntu_got from the ubuntu website20:16
Error404NotFoun1Omsniffiscent:  try not using chrome lol20:17
OmsniffiscentChromium also does the same thing.20:17
ubuntu_yes md5 and disk check both OK20:17
Error404NotFoun1i tried chrome and it was garbage20:17
ubuntu_am using the live cd now for this chat on different machine20:18
OmsniffiscentAs I said, this post claims it's nothing to do with chrome/chromium/firefox/also. They claim it's Gnome.20:18
Error404NotFoun1lol20:18
Omsniffiscent /alsa*20:18
Error404NotFoun1anything to put the blame off google20:18
OmsniffiscentBut this isn't just happening with chrome/chromium.20:18
OmsniffiscentSome people are saying they get logged out when they mess with sound settings.20:19
OmsniffiscentIs anyone else having this issue?20:20
Error404NotFoun1try #ubuntu20:21
OmsniffiscentAlready been there.20:22
Error404NotFoun1i cant help ya sorry20:22
Error404NotFoun1im still ubuntu noob20:22
OmsniffiscentI kinda guessed that from the first words you put down. ;)20:22
OmsniffiscentAnd we're all newbs.20:23
Error404NotFoun1well i just dont see any reason not to use firefox20:23
Error404NotFoun1thats why i said dont use chrome20:23
OmsniffiscentIt's called preference. Welcome to Linux.20:23
OmsniffiscentFreedom to do what you want.20:23
Error404NotFoun1if i had my choice id be using ie20:24
OmsniffiscentYou can't use IE in wine?20:24
Error404NotFoun1doubt it20:24
OmsniffiscentSo you haven't tried.20:24
OmsniffiscentTroll.20:24
Error404NotFoun1im tryin to install games with wine right now.. having big problems20:25
howardhello20:55
duanedesign'lo20:55
howarddoes anyone know a sophisticated bash-shell ?20:56
Error404NotFoun1erm wine isnt for 64 bit programs?20:58
duanedesigni think so...21:00
duanedesignError404NotFoun1: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wine#Running_Windows_Applications21:02
Error404NotFoun1duanedesign:  it says to use wine64 (path) to install 64 bit and it says wine64 command not found21:07
Error404NotFoun1ooh nice21:09
Error404NotFoun1installed ie821:09
Error404NotFoun1lol21:15
KM0201lol21:15
Error404NotFoun1um im having a problem here21:15
KM0201so ask21:16
Error404NotFoun1im in this channel... but im in it twice21:16
Error404NotFoun1but the other window its just me in the channel21:16
Error404NotFoun1i think i broke irc21:16
KM0201most likely the other channel, you typed the name wrong or something21:16
Error404NotFoun1it is identical21:17
Error404NotFoun1checked a million times21:17
KM0201Error404NotFoun1: no its not21:17
KM0201its not.21:17
KM0201you did something different21:17
Error404NotFoun1nope21:17
* KM0201 sighs...21:17
KM0201Error404NotFoun1: its nt possible.. unless you're ere on two different clients, and two different names21:18
KM0201you can tell me "nope" all you want, but i know better21:18
Error404NotFoun1same name same server21:18
KM0201hold on21:18
KM0201Error404NotFoun1: i just whois'd you, and you're only here...21:18
Error404NotFoun1do i need to take a screen shot?21:19
KM0201not really sure wha tkind of game you're playing. or if you jus twant attention, or what21:19
Error404NotFoun1same nick same server same channel21:19
KM0201well then how come when i whois you, it only show syou here... is the other channel scrolling our current chat?21:20
Error404NotFoun1holstein:21:20
Error404NotFoun1no im the only person in it21:21
KM0201Error404NotFoun1: then i stand by my earlier assessment, you typed it wrong, or done something else.21:21
Error404NotFoun1nope21:21
KM0201if it bothers you that badly, just close it21:21
Error404NotFoun1like i said same nick same server same channel21:21
KM0201Error404NotFoun1: it can't be, when i whois you, it only lists you here21:21
Error404NotFoun1i just want to know how the hell it happened21:21
KM0201go tot he main "freenode" window.. and type  "/whois KM0201"  no quotes and hit enter21:22
KM0201it will show all the channels i'm currently in21:22
Error404NotFoun1i know how to use irc21:22
Error404NotFoun1and im telling you its identical21:23
KM0201ok... whatever21:23
KM0201they're not identical, or our current chat would be scrolling int hat window to.21:23
Error404NotFoun1you would think21:24
KM0201you done something different when you joined that channel, whether you want to admit it or not21:24
* KM0201 would know21:24
Error404NotFoun1well i know ..21:25
KM0201now i'm thinking you're a troll21:25
Error404NotFoun1it even changed my nick cuz its already in use21:25
Error404NotFoun1im thinking you are just a bit dense21:26
KM0201whats the other nick it gave you?21:26
Error404NotFoun1why would i make it up21:26
Error404NotFoun1this nick21:26
KM0201no, you said you're here in the same name.. you're obviouskly not21:26
KM0201nom, you just said it changed your nick...21:26
Error404NotFoun1yeah from Error404NotFound21:26
Error404NotFoun1to what im on now21:26
KM0201well, by all means, post a screenshot(although i admit i'll dobut its authenticity)21:27
Error404NotFoun1ok ill change name in that room21:27
Error404NotFoun1it will change here21:27
KM0201its not gonna change anything.21:27
KM0201if i whois yo on your current name, it only show syou here21:27
=== Error404NotFoun1 is now known as sameserver
sameserversee21:28
KM0201by all means, screen sho tit.21:28
KM0201sameserver: i could understand if you said youw ere here twice, and you were like, sameserver and sameserver_  but the fact the other window is not scrolling our current chat, it is obviously not here.21:30
sameserverhttp://img705.imageshack.us/i/screenshotvbr.png/21:30
KM0201youc an't even read it, its to small21:31
sameserverwth why cant you click it to be full size21:32
KM0201because you still can't read it when you click it21:32
sameserverhttp://img638.imageshack.us/i/screenshotkg.png/21:33
sameservererm21:33
sameserveri hate image shack21:33
KM0201dunno man, you done something ignorant, bu its not here, and its not a channel, because when you whois it... only this channel comes up21:33
KM0201try using an Irc client that doesn't suck21:33
sameserversave image and you can see it21:34
KM0201it's fine.21:34
KM0201you done something, i'm jus tnot gonna waste my brain thinking about it any longer21:34
KM0201if it bothers you that bad, close it21:34
sameserveryou seem to be missing the point...21:35
sameserveri want to know why its doing this21:35
KM0201because you ripped a hole in the space time continuum21:35
sameserveri guess21:35
=== sameserver is now known as SerialMDK
KM0201unless its a title window, which i don't think it is (I don't use pidgin for IRC)... its obviously not a window that is in this channel21:36
SerialMDKmoron21:37
geirhaSerialMDK: does that happen every time?21:50
SerialMDKwhen i start pidgin it joins the room with no one in it21:51
SerialMDKi have to manualy join again and get this room21:51
geirhaHm. Must be a bug with pidgin or one of its plugins. Perhaps whatever plugin that does the autojoin.21:54
SerialMDKwell that worked21:57
SerialMDKwth21:57
SerialMDKi added #ubuntu to auto join with this channel and now it works21:58
SerialMDKbut if i take off #ubuntu it goes to room with no one in it21:59
SerialMDKw/e its fixed21:59
SerialMDKnow i need help with wine21:59
SerialMDKbioterror:22:01
SerialMDKwinecfg22:01
SerialMDKerm22:01
geirhaWhat's the issue with wine? If wine works in general, but you're having trouble with a specific windows application, #winehq may be a better place to ask.22:15
duanedesigngeirha: hello!22:58
duanedesignhavent bumped into you in awhile.22:58
duanedesigngeirha: hope you are well and glad you dropped in22:59
Error404NotFoundt up dual display on ubuntu?23:33
Error404NotFounderm23:33
Error404NotFoundhow do i set up dual display on ubuntu23:33
philipballewcan somebody help with hardware not working after my upgrade. i cant seem to figure it out23:39
geirhaduanedesign: Hi :) Yeah I've been quite busy lately. Both work and school's been eating up my spare time.23:41
geirhaphilipballew: Depends on what hardware it is.23:42
philipballewmy microphone stopped picking up sound23:43
geirhaIn all applications?23:44
philipballewit doesnt in my google phone and also it doesnt pick up on the input bar on the sound preferences23:45
philipballewso therefor it wouldnot work with any applactions i belive23:46
geirhaCould you test it with the Sound Recorder? Applications -> Sound & Video -> Sound Recorder23:48
philipballewyes. hold on23:49
geirha(I had an issue with the microphone not working in skype or in the sound preferences, but it did work in the sound recorder)23:49
philipballewit did not. i am sorry,23:50
duanedesignphilipballew: i thinki have the same bug23:53
philipballewthere is already a launchpad bug filed i see23:54
Error404NotFoundholstein:23:56
geirhaError404NotFound: Have you tried System -> Preferences -> Monitors?23:58
Error404NotFoundi found how23:58
Error404NotFoundbut it doesnt mirror23:58
geirhaphilipballew: Mind sharing the url to that bug?23:58
geirhaMirror?23:59
Error404NotFoundas in both monitors show the same thing23:59

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