[00:52]  * TheMuso is finding it difficult to work out why someone who wrote a packaging patch for a debian package decided to remove a .install file and use dh_install calls in debian/rules instead...
[00:52] <TheMuso> Baffling.
[00:58] <RAOF> Even well-understood magic can be, well, magic, I guess.
[01:01] <TheMuso> Yeah, but I would have thought creating a new install file for the newly created binary package would be easier.
[05:43] <pitti> Good morning
[05:48] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[07:17] <astropirate> Anyone know if the gnome3-team PPA is working?
[07:17] <astropirate> i mean stable
[07:17] <astropirate> *enough to use
[07:20] <TheMuso> From what I've heard, yes it is, but I haven't used it myself.
[07:20] <vish> !gnome3 | astropirate
[07:20] <ubot2> astropirate: Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA for natty is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are EXPERIMENTAL and UNSTABLE, will break Unity and possibly other parts of your system, and safe downgrading is not possible.
[07:22] <astropirate> i don't care about unit. it is buggy
[07:22] <astropirate> *unity
[07:22] <vish> astropirate: also mentions "… and possibly other parts of your system," so use it at your own risk ;)
[07:23] <astropirate> hehe i plan to
[07:23] <astropirate> but just wanted to know if others had allready risked and if it had worked
[07:24] <vish> astropirate: you'd have better luck about that question on #ubuntu …
[07:25] <astropirate> vish ok, thanks
[07:25] <vish> yw..
[07:28] <jbicha> I use the gnome3 PPA but I don't recommend others do
[07:38] <astropirate> i tink this is the perfect opertunity to try other distros :D
[07:38] <astropirate> expanding horizons and all that junk
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:39] <vish> the world is your oyster!
[07:39] <TheMuso> Hey chrisccoulson.
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> hi TheMuso, how are you?
[07:39] <vish> morn chrisccoulson …
[07:39] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Not too bad thanks, just starting to get final bits and pieces together for my trip to UDS.
[07:43] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:43] <pitti> TheMuso: good luck!
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, when do you travel?
[07:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: splendid, thanks! slowly getting used to getting up at 6
[07:43] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to be a fairly late arriver, i don't travel until sunday :)
[07:44] <TheMuso> pitti: Thanks, there is a little bit of luck involved I guess.
[07:44] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: I fly out tomorrow afternoon my time.
[07:44] <TheMuso> In less than 24 hours to be exact.
[08:55] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:59] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[08:59] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[09:28] <cdbs> Umm, is the Software Center 'reviews' server down?
[09:28] <cdbs> mpt: ^^
[09:45] <mpt> cdbs, works for me
[09:45] <mpt> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/reviews.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <pitti> o_O is there _anything_ the internet doesn't provide?
[09:48] <pitti> hah, http://iamboredandhavenothingtodo.com/ doesn't exist; quickly, point it to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu!
[09:58] <abhinav-> pitti: is there a gir for xlib as well ?
[09:59] <pitti> abhinav-: not an usable one, I think; /usr/share/gir-1.0/xlib-2.0.gir merely provides some struct names and open_display
[09:59] <pitti> abhinav-: use python-xlib for this
[09:59] <pitti> (static binding)
[09:59] <abhinav-> ah thanks
[10:01] <abhinav-> pitti: in gtk2 this feature could have been added without any unnecessary extra dependencies but with gtk3 the list is mounting up and still no success :-/
[10:02] <pitti> abhinav-: at this point you should perhaps file an upstream bug with the requirements and point out the lost API?
[10:02] <abhinav-> pitti: yeah. good suggestion. I cannot find any work around now :(
[10:03] <pitti> or gnome-screenshot should just be taught to give you the XID/pid
[10:03] <pitti> abhinav-: sorry for all the trouble..
[10:04] <abhinav-> pitti: yeah, it could be added to gnome-screenshot but it will add dependency on cairo and that will have to be done in C :-|
[10:05] <abhinav-> pitti: no problem, its just that every morning I feel like I could do it today :P
[10:05] <pitti> heh
[10:35] <cdbs> chrisccoulson: The globalmenu extension in oneiric Thunderbird doesn't hide up the old-style menubar from the window
[10:48] <cdbs> didrocks: hello there! Could you take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-apps-unity-integration ?
[10:49] <didrocks> cdbs: hey Bilal! sure having a look :)
[10:49] <didrocks> cdbs: is that something you want to work on?
[10:50] <cdbs> didrocks: yep, but others could pick up just as well.
[10:50] <cdbs> didrocks: We need to decide which app needs what
[10:50] <cdbs> didrocks: and there are a ton of non-default-but-immensely-popular apps which could do with integration as well.
[10:50] <cdbs> all that has to be decided
[10:51] <cdbs> didrocks: So if you say so, I'll set assignee to myself
[10:51] <didrocks> cdbs: ok, I'll ensure we have a designer coming and that it's scheduled then :)
[10:51] <didrocks> cdbs: sure ;)
[10:51]  * cdbs sets
[10:51] <cdbs> done
[10:51] <didrocks> pitti: hey, can you approve this one, please? ^^
[10:52] <cdbs> didrocks: its approved already
[10:52] <cdbs> pitti: ^
[10:52] <cdbs> pitti: oh no wait, it isn't
[10:52] <didrocks> no, it's still "proposed"
[10:53] <didrocks> I'm subscribing Jorge as well as we will need some community advocacy as well
[10:53] <cdbs> exactly
[10:54] <cdbs> Weird that the assignee would be attending remotely :(
[10:54] <pitti> not "proposed" any more :)
[10:54] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[10:54] <cdbs> didrocks: Enjoying Budapest? How's the whether there?
[10:54] <didrocks> pitti: Guten Tag! ;)
[10:54] <cdbs> pitti: Good morning , and thanks :)
[10:55]  * cdbs should *seriously* learn french
[10:55] <didrocks> cdbs: well, depends, one day, it's a london weather, the other day it's really sunny ;)
[10:55] <didrocks> some kind of flip/flap :)
[10:55] <didrocks> cdbs: yeah, this is mandatory! :p
[10:55] <pitti> for now I should seriously learn some Hungarian phrases
[10:56] <didrocks> pitti: the "Sorry, I don't speak Hungarian" one? :-)
[10:56] <didrocks> pitti: thanks for acking!
[10:56] <cdbs> pitti: Fire up google translate and translate that :)
[10:57] <pitti> "Elnézést, én nem beszélek magyarul!", ugh
[10:57] <pitti> at least the pronounciation seems to be pretty straightforward
[10:58] <seb128> does it? ;-)
[10:58] <cdbs> it is, just read it like one reads English
[10:58] <cdbs> :)
[10:58] <pitti> cdbs: exactly not -- English pronounciation is horribly inconsistent
[10:59] <pitti> German, Russian, Hungarian etc. have strict rules, you pronounce as you write
[10:59]  * pitti tries to remember "Szeretnék két sört" (two beer please)
[11:00] <Laney> I like your style — no need to ever order just one ;-)
[11:02] <cdbs> sudo dd if=/dev/beer of=/home/pitti/glass{1,2} count=2048  # That's the unified way of saying that, no language barriers :)
[11:03] <pitti> why sudo?
[11:03] <pitti> access to beer should be fairly public!
[11:03] <cdbs> oops
[11:03] <Laney> requires administrator access to your body
[11:03] <Laney> aka adulthood
[11:04] <pitti> heh
[11:07] <jbicha> use sudo when you really want to make sure something gets done
[11:07] <jbicha> -f helps too :-)
[11:08] <pitti> one day I want a T-Shirt with http://xkcd.com/149/
[11:08] <davmor2> is there a way to make unity show up in the share my desktop feature on empathy?
[11:09] <jbicha> pitti: oh you mean like this one? http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#Sudo
[11:09] <pitti> right
[11:10] <jbicha> but you want someone else to buy it for you? lol
[12:03] <hyperair> does anybody know if we're moving to gtk3 in oneiric?
[12:22] <pitti> hyperair: yes, we will
[12:22] <hyperair> pitti: okay, awesome.
[12:23] <pitti> gets high time to do so :)
[12:23] <hyperair> yeah
[13:27] <ricotz> jbicha, ping
[13:29] <ricotz> jbicha, regarding the gnome-session 3.0.1 merge, what is the reason for dropping debian/po-up/de.po?
[13:44] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:53] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[13:53] <cyphermox> hey pitti
[14:08] <cyphermox> hey piiti, I seem to have a bug 776662 here that mentions an possible issue with gnome-panel ...ubuntu6.5; would make that system crash. any ideas how/why this would be?
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776662 in network-manager-applet "network-manager-gnome crashes on logon after the last update" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776662
[14:12] <pitti> cyphermox: oh, that was for me
[14:12] <pitti> cyphermox: ah, so presumably a regression from the SRU in bug 774427?
[14:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774427 in gnome-panel "Cannot add applets to second X server display in 11.04" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774427
[14:13] <cyphermox> maybe
[14:13] <pitti> cyphermox: is it reproducible? I didn't try classic session recently
[14:13] <cyphermox> I was about to try, but I doubt I'll be able to reproduce it
[14:13] <pitti> I'd like to defer to rodrigo_ here, I need to leave now
[14:13] <cyphermox> sure
[14:13] <pitti> see you all in Budapest!
[14:13] <cyphermox> see you there!
[14:59] <jbicha> ricotz: oops, that wasn't intentional
[15:00] <jbicha> I'm not really sure why that file would have been cleared on my computer; I had no reason to be touching the pos
[15:01] <ricotz> jbicha, i see ;), do you want to propose a fix or shall i just add it back?
[15:02] <jbicha> I can propose a merge for you
[15:02] <ricotz> alright
[15:14] <rodrigo_> I have to do some stuff for my trip to budapest, so if I'm not back later, see you all in budapest!
[15:17] <jbicha> ricotz: thanks for letting me know
[15:17] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: alright ;)
[22:24] <bigon> what are the plan for gnome-shell and oneiric?
[22:51] <kenvandine> bigon, we will be talking about that at UDS
[22:51] <kenvandine> but we are expecting to have gtk3 and gnome3 in some fashion for oneirc
[22:52] <bigon> alright
[22:52] <kenvandine> but that isn't finalized or anything, just what we know we want to do
[22:54] <bigon> ok ok
[23:11] <bcurtiswx> bigon, do you know if cassidy is going to UDS?
[23:15] <bigon> bcurtiswx: good question, I know he's going to the guadec, but I'm not sure about UDS
[23:16] <bcurtiswx> bigon, OK thanks :)
[23:19] <bigon> this make me think that I should take vacations to go to the guadec