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snap-lhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/01:02
snap-lIt has arrived, and it is still awesome. :)01:02
rick_h__still loading01:08
rick_h__that is one big pdf01:09
snap-lYeah, it is01:09
snap-lIt's the third printing01:09
snap-lFully CC licensed. No need for disclaimers01:10
greg-gpretty01:13
snap-lYeah, I've been kicking around using the mechanics and artwork and making a video game01:27
snap-lThe setting is awesome, and the folks who make it seem genuinely cool with people using the stuff01:28
snap-lDefinitely a change from some of the shithead moves of other companies.01:29
PainBanknice01:30
PainBanksnap-l: wish I would have caught the question or discussion before a few minutes ago.01:32
PainBankah well.01:32
snap-lhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/01:33
snap-lPainBank: ^^ PDF File. ;)01:33
snap-lFully CC licensed. No need for disclaimers01:33
PainBankthnx01:33
snap-lnp01:33
PainBanksnap-l: wow, 400 page doc... that is quite an extensive game.01:46
PainBankso what are you doing on it?01:46
snap-lNothing yet, but I have some ideas percolating01:46
PainBankhmmm...01:48
PainBankbut right now, this is a RPG for pen/paper, right?01:48
snap-lYeah01:48
rick_h__party time01:49
snap-lrick_h__: More drugs?01:49
rick_h__naw, meant your game01:49
snap-lOh, yeah01:49
rick_h__I'm on a constant drug barage01:49
rick_h__but the big ones are slowly wearing off01:49
rick_h__so at times almost feel nomrla01:49
rick_h__normal01:49
rick_h__until I have to "drink my dinner"01:49
rick_h__and the ouch that brings01:50
rick_h__snap-l: so do you have a crew you play these games with?01:50
PainBankuntil the normla wears off, I like it01:50
rick_h__club or someting?01:50
snap-lNo, I don't.01:50
snap-lJoDee and I have played a few of them01:50
snap-lbut mostly I mine them for ideas01:50
rick_h__cool01:51
PainBankmakes me think old school scifi rpg like Star Frontiers01:55
PainBankor gamma world01:55
snap-lYeah, but a lot darker than those games01:57
PainBanksnap-l: so are you chatting with the folks at Posthuman Studios?01:57
snap-lI asked them if I could help them do a case study for Creative Commons01:57
PainBankI enjoyed Shadowrun and if it has some basis from there... cool01:57
PainBanksweet01:57
snap-lUm, they used to be a part of Catalyst Game Labs01:58
snap-lworked on Shadowrun 4th01:58
PainBankyup01:58
snap-lThey split off, though, because of some stupidity at catalyst01:58
snap-lmostly mixing of funds with personal goals01:58
snap-l(on the Catalyst side)01:59
PainBanksure, and that sucks.02:02
PainBankwell, time for me to head home.02:12
PainBanktalk to you all later02:12
snap-lI <3 Java03:15
snap-lI'm being told to use JDK 1.5 because it doesn't ship with JAXWS.03:15
brouschgood to see you've come around03:16
snap-lNever mind that JDK 1.5 was last supported in 200903:16
brouschwelcome to the enterprise03:17
brouschgiant apps built on crusty old stable platforms03:17
snap-lYeah, and I get to install my own Java03:18
snap-lFML03:18
=== JonathanS is now known as JonathanD
wolfgermorning, peeps13:01
rick_h__ugh, morning13:02
_stink_heh13:04
brouschfucking windows13:35
snap-lGood morning13:47
snap-land yes13:47
snap-lYay for morning webcasts13:51
snap-lLove that they use music that sounds like it should be playing at the Rainforest Cafe.13:54
wolfgerso if you are making an IM client...and specifically branding it for office use (say, by calling it Office Communicator as a wild example)... would you ever even consider making "(s)" display a moon-smiley?13:54
snap-lcommunicator does that?13:55
wolfgerI mean, what's more common for office use, denoting something(s) as optionally plural, or wanting to display a moon?13:55
wolfgeryes, OC does that13:55
wolfgerand I'm glad I was only chatting with my friend, and not, say, the head of my department13:56
wolfgerbecause it looks terribly unprofessional13:56
snap-lI'm not seeing that one.13:57
wolfgerMaybe it's special Chrysler rules?  O.o13:57
snap-lI do love, thhough, that all yesterday this update program was bitching me out that it was going to install something13:58
snap-land now this fine morning, during a webcast, it decides to start loading13:58
wolfgerthis is OC 2007 R2, fwiw13:58
snap-lI hope it decides to restart my machine without telling me, because that would be awesome13:58
wolfgerLOL13:58
snap-lYeah, we're only on 200513:58
wolfgerthat would be full of win and covered in awesome sauce, it would13:59
snap-lWith bacon13:59
wolfgerso sometime between 2005 and 2007, MS forgot they were designing an office product....14:00
wolfger...or the avg professional level of offices around the country plummeted14:00
wolfgerI can believe either, really.14:00
jrwrenwhy fucking windows?14:08
jrwrensnap-l: rofl @ jdk1.514:08
snap-ljrwren: Seriously, Java is pathetic14:09
brouschjrwren: user has a virus this morning. other users have missing references due to some people on win7 and some on xp14:09
brouschi was hoping to get some real work done14:09
jrwrensnap-l: oh, I know it is.  But its nice to hear you say it.14:14
snap-ljrwren: When have I apologized for Java?14:18
snap-lI used to like it, but it's become a miserable mess. :)14:18
snap-lIt's impossible to know what to do without serious help14:19
jrwrenits still nice to hear.14:19
jrwrensomethings just don't get tired.14:19
snap-lheh14:20
wolfgerLOL. I just don't understand sports nuts sometimes.14:43
wolfgerI don't understand why people get so excited about the NFL draft in the first place...14:43
jrwreni could explain it.14:44
wolfgerbut leading up to this year's draft, Sports Illustrated published at least 3 (I'm thinking 5 or 6) projections of which team would take which player14:44
wolfgerand they were wrong14:44
wolfgerand today, they have online "early projections for the 2012 draft". WTF???14:44
wolfgerYou don't even know yet what order the teams will be picking in.14:45
wolfgerslow news day in the sports world?14:45
ColonelPanic001"lol our local franchise of a business defeated another local franchise of the same business. yay!"14:46
ColonelPanic001"they're our team! they represent us! None of them had ever been here before being hired!"14:46
wolfgerLOL14:47
wolfgerKinda like having national pride in the armed forces if they were mostly foreign mercenaries....14:48
wolfgerbut, no, that part I understand. :-)14:48
wolfgereven if it's nonsensical14:48
ColonelPanic001actually getting excited or enthusiastic about professional sports is just stupid14:48
ColonelPanic001"The Red Wings are our team! All of those Russians and Canadians are *our* people"14:49
ColonelPanic001the obscene paycheck has nothing to do with it14:49
wolfgerthe paycheck always has everything to do with it, whether it's sports, IT, factory work, flipping burgers....14:50
wolfgerYou can say the armed forces are doing it to serve their country, but notice how they all still take a paycheck...14:51
wolfgerand ask yourself, if they stopped getting them, how long would they keep serving their country?14:51
ColonelPanic001I don't see anything there to disagree with.14:52
wolfgerso the fact that we're paying them to represent us doesn't change the fact that they represent us.14:53
ColonelPanic001no, but in the case of sports, that's why they're there. It has nothing to do with the team, place. They're traded around like commodities14:53
wolfgerwhen they do good, we feel good about ourselves, and when they do bad.... they suck and we need a new team. :-D14:54
ColonelPanic001I have as much reason to cheer for Arizona's team as I do for "ours", except for a slight bump in local economy from home games, maybe.14:54
ColonelPanic001Why feel good about myself if the Wings do well? What do they have to do with me, other than happening to play half their games here?14:54
snap-lImagine what we could do if we funnelled all of the pro sports money into the arts?14:55
snap-lLike the DSO, for instance14:55
ColonelPanic001^14:55
wolfgerThe bolster Detroit's economy and Detroit's image.14:55
ColonelPanic001or having a school system that isn't complete shit.14:55
wolfgerHmm. So, how would the DSO benefit us?14:56
ColonelPanic001but no, let's pay Federov nearly 100 million dollars to hit a puck14:56
ColonelPanic001(I might be a bit behind in my sports news)14:56
wolfgerROFL14:56
wolfgera bit14:56
snap-lColonelPanic001: Yeah, just a hair14:56
jrwrensports is more fun to watch.14:56
jrwrenits entertainment.14:56
ColonelPanic001I'd rather watch high school kids play.14:56
jrwrenpeople like being entertained.14:56
jrwrenwhat is the big deal?14:56
snap-lI'm glad yu didn't say "Gordie Howe"14:56
ColonelPanic001the cost.14:56
snap-lThe $$14:56
jrwrencost to whom?14:56
snap-lAnd the assinine way that teams go about patrolling their trademarks14:57
snap-ljrwren: Stadium money doesn't just come from rich philanthropists.14:57
jrwrenthat is cities faults.14:57
ColonelPanic001or more shewdly for me, having to hear people never shut the hell up about sports. heh.14:57
jrwrenit SHOULd just come from rich philanthropists.14:58
jrwrenbut now we are talking politics and not sports :)14:58
jrwrenyou have 2 legs that work. don't want to hear it?  walk away.14:58
wolfgerjrwren++14:58
snap-lAnd we're also seeing the corruption of colleges with the NCAA14:58
ColonelPanic001i maked teh joke14:58
ColonelPanic001im srry14:58
snap-lwhere money comes out of other programs14:58
wolfgersnap-l: ???14:59
wolfgerNCAA football is a cash cow14:59
snap-lprecisely14:59
snap-lIt's not about love of the game, it's about following the paycheck14:59
ColonelPanic001moo.14:59
wolfgerthe schools make obscene amounts of money off a successful team, they don't sink money into it from other programs14:59
snap-lLike the Olympics used to be about amateur atheletes15:00
snap-lThat was until we sent folks like Michael Jordan to play15:00
wolfgerIt's (I believe, not sure) nearly as much revenue as pro sports, and they're not *allowed* to pay the players anything.15:00
wolfgerWhat a scam that is!15:00
jrwrenbut $$$ doesn't come out of other programs.  it goes into other programs.15:01
jrwrenunless you are ohio state :)15:01
wolfgersnap-l: the olympics were about "amateurs" in the sense that other countries did have "pros" and we did.15:01
wolfgerbut they had pro-qualitiy athletes15:01
snap-lRight, the line got blurred. I get that15:02
wolfgerthe line was a scam to begin with15:02
snap-lMy beef is that suddenly nobody cared to hide it15:02
snap-lI hate the Olympics anyway, so I'm biased.15:02
wolfger"if you want to be an olympian, you can't accept money". Big scam.15:03
wolfgerI believe the olympics used to be a great idea.... back when they were first invented.15:03
snap-lThe olympics, where everyone is a farm kid from Oaklahoma with a blind and deaf mother and father, two dyslexic siblings, and a cat on three legs15:04
snap-lbut they had a dream.15:04
wolfgerback in the days when a marathon was run out of necessity rather than for exercise or some cracked idea of "fun".15:04
ColonelPanic001I would like to see the three-legged-cat Olympics.15:05
snap-lInspirational stories become much less inspirational when everyone has an inspirational story to tell15:05
snap-lAnd considering everyone is there by the grace of God and sponsorships, there's plenty to go around15:06
_stink_wonder what inspirational story they'd come up with for me15:06
snap-lso stop your yammering and show fucking curling already.15:06
_stink_"grew up kind of scrawny with kind of red hair"15:06
jrwrenI have an inspirational story to tell.15:07
jrwrenyou don't have one?15:07
snap-lCraig grew up like most boys his age, awkward, funny looking, and a social outcast15:08
jrwrenEXACTLY!15:08
jrwrenZOMg, i hated the insp story when teh curling match was coming up.15:08
jrwrenesp when it was canada playing.15:08
snap-lIt's the same witht he news and the "michigan connection"15:09
wolfgersnap-l: your description of the olympics sounds earily like every single season of American Idol15:09
snap-lChannel 4 is great for finding one person who happens to have a relative living in MI15:09
snap-lHorriffic accident in Antartica. Here's the Michigan connection15:10
ColonelPanic001"the bolts in the airplane are from Flint"15:10
brouscheh, we were in southern canada, so we didn't have ice for 3 months out of the year. we'd spill a gallon of my dad's used motor oil out in da yard and slide my ma's pots as pans as we couldn't afford stones15:10
wolfgerOsama bin Laden has been killed. We talk to his Michigan relatives15:10
snap-lwolfger: BINGO15:10
snap-lThe man's dad had 52 children15:11
ColonelPanic001"The bullet was made with steel that was made at Great Lakes Steel"15:11
snap-lYou're bound to find at least 3 of them in Dearborn, I'm sure15:11
snap-lThe man was found with a 2 litre of Vernors, which used to be made in Michigan near the Beter Made Plant15:12
ColonelPanic001yes15:12
wolfgerused to be?15:12
wolfgerVernor's isn't Michigan made anymore?15:12
snap-lwolfger: Hasn't been for a while now, iirc15:12
ColonelPanic001it's not even made with ginger anymore15:12
wolfger:-(15:12
_stink_call Channel 415:12
_stink_they'll do a story on it15:13
snap-lThe flagship Detroit bottling plant was shut down by United Brands in 1985, with the local rights to bottle Vernors granted to Pepsi-Cola.[5]15:13
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernors15:13
snap-lhttp://www.drpeppersnapplegroup.com/brands/vernors/15:14
* snap-l schedules grief counseling for wolfger 15:14
Milyardoawesome domain15:14
Milyardodrpeppersnapplegroup.com that is15:15
snap-lMilyardo: Yeah, just trips off of the tongue, doesn't it?15:15
snap-lOK, off to do something awesome. brb.15:17
brouschwe don't need to know when you take potty breaks15:21
ColonelPanic001speak for yourself.15:22
ColonelPanic001I prefer frequent, detailed updated15:23
ColonelPanic001updates, rather15:23
brouschwhat are you, his doctor?15:23
ColonelPanic001I just like to be kept in the loop15:23
wolfgerFaygo is still made here, at least15:24
wolfgeractually going to a restaurant tonight that recently opened, that features food/drink from Michigan (primarily, not exclusively)15:25
Milyardoand Jone's I think15:25
wolfgerI had no idea Jones was from MI15:25
wolfgerhttp://www.freep.com/article/20110505/COL20/105050315/Twisted-Rooster-chain-launches-Chesterfield-Township?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p15:26
MilyardoYeah all those black and white pics on the bottles are from different parts of MI15:26
MilyardoThey come up here to U of M to take picutres all the time15:26
wolfgerwell, I was aware you could submit pics to Jones for their use... I just thought some Michigan photographer was a big contributor15:27
Krondorpepsi is made here in a flint bottling plant (last I checked)15:27
MilyardoKrondor: You live in Flint?15:29
KrondorAww my first askubuntu question drifts off into obscurity with no votes15:29
KrondorMilyardo:  nope royal oak15:30
MilyardoNo idea where that is15:31
KrondorNear detroit southern oakland county15:31
jrwrenwtf is twisted rooster?15:34
jrwrennever heard of royal oak?  ha!15:34
ColonelPanic001Twisted Rooster == Screwed Up Cock15:36
_stink_or Crooked Cock.15:41
wolfgerjrwren: you could... I don't know.... click the link and find out what it is.15:42
wolfgeror infer from my previous statement15:43
wolfgerwell, ok, 2 statements previous15:43
wolfgeras the immediate predecessor was a reply to something somebody else said15:44
jrwrenterrible article title.15:44
jrwrenbecause I don't like "chain" erstaurants.15:45
jrwrenbut 2 location != chain.15:45
jrwrenso this twisted rooster is not a chain.15:45
wolfgerok. What is the jrwren definition of chain?15:45
jrwrenoh sorry, 4 locations.15:45
jrwrenlmgtfy define:chain15:46
jrwrenmeh, ok... its definitely a chain.15:46
jrwrenowned by Wendy's parent company15:46
wolfgerso it's a chain if it's owned by a corporation?15:47
wolfgerthat's a sad definition15:47
wolfgeralso wondering where you see there are 4 locations. I only derived 3 from the article.15:48
snap-lWait, someone doesn't know where Royal Oak is?16:03
snap-lMan, talk about the AA buffer. :)16:04
jrwrenno.16:07
wolfgersnap-l: Lots of people don't know where Royal Oak is16:07
jrwrenany restaurant that isn't a corporation is just stupid.16:07
jrwrenyou'd be hard pressed to find one.16:07
jrwrenwolfger: twisted-cork.com16:07
wolfgerOutside of Michigan, people often think of the entire state in terms of "Detroit" and "the upper peninsula"16:07
jrwrenor whatever it is.16:07
jrwrentwisted-rooster.com16:07
snap-lI mean people in Michigan16:08
snap-land the UP doesn't count because that's like a different country. ;)16:08
wolfgerYeah. It's like Canada.16:09
jrwrenAA people don't know royal oak because a lot of them aren't from MI. they are from outside MI and relocated to Umich.16:09
MilyardoIn my defense I've only lived here for about 3 years now -.-16:09
wolfgerOh, wait, that's just a different state, not a different country16:09
Milyardo^ This16:09
wolfgerI like the Twisted Rooster motto, "Commit to the Mitt"16:10
jjessethere is at least 1 twisted rooster here in grand rapids16:32
jjessereading scroll16:33
snap-lJust had fun changing network cards.17:02
snap-lDropped a 3Com card from 1997 into this box17:09
snap-land it appears to kick the ever-loving crap out of the realtek card in here17:09
wolfgerchanging network cards is "fun"?17:12
snap-lnot really17:15
snap-lsince network manager is a real PITA17:15
snap-lI mean, it does what it thinks is the right thing17:17
snap-lbut it wasn't what I did17:17
snap-ls/did/wanted/17:17
wolfgerso...17:32
wolfgerwho's going to go see Thor this weekend and let me know if it sucks or not?17:32
binbrainI haven't seen it, it probably sucks17:33
wolfgerLOL17:33
wolfgerinsightful and informative17:33
wolfgerthat's slashdot quality commentary there...17:34
wolfger:-)17:34
wolfgerKenneth Brannagh at the helm gives me hope17:35
wolfgerbut then again, he's done crap before, too17:35
snap-lI heard it was good from Jacob (from the Ubuntu Ohio group)17:36
binbrainhas hollywood done any good action movies in the last I don't know how long?17:36
binbrainI guess the batmans have been good17:37
wolfgersure, for somebody's definition of "good"17:37
wolfgerI'm trying to think of the last good one I saw... drawing a blank17:38
wolfgerSuckerpunch was good... but it wasn't *really* and action flick17:38
wolfgers/and/an/17:38
binbrainI'm a bit jaded, I just watched 2012 recently17:39
binbrainboth of them17:39
binbrainawful17:39
wolfgerDoes Avatar count as an action flick? That was pretty awesome. But not for reasons of action.... :-p17:39
binbrainsure, Avatar counts I guess17:39
binbrainthat was decent17:39
wolfgerit was awesome from the world-building standpoint, and 3D standpoint17:40
wolfgerit suffers some in 2D17:40
wolfgerbut I love the details and the plants and animals created for that movie17:40
ColonelPanic001Dnaces With Smurfs wasn't much other than action.17:43
binbrainTitanic 2 is out on netflix "Irony looms for the passengers of a luxury cruise liner Titanic II"17:44
ColonelPanic001I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SHIP17:44
snap-lThey better have William Shatner in Titanic II17:44
snap-lhe was brilliant in Airplane 217:44
ColonelPanic001actually, it'd be awesome if the movie was just a couple enjoying the cruise, and nothing unusual happened17:44
snap-lAKA another sequel that didn't need to be made17:44
KrondroidBinbrain does inception count as action?17:49
binbrainKrondroid: good one, that counts17:52
brouschtitanic 2 involves near-future submersible pleasure cruises to undersea tourist spots like the titanic. but what mutant beast lurks within its hull?18:03
ColonelPanic001hah18:06
BlazeixMegashark and giant octopus18:09
brouschthe titanic was intentionally sunk by the illuminati to reinforce the rotting door over cthulu's tomb18:09
ColonelPanic001heh18:09
brouschadmit it. you'd watch the movie18:09
* brousch adds this to his story ideas18:10
wolfgerKrondroid++18:14
brouschoh my. let's get rick_h__ fired up today http://www.mutuallyhuman.com/blog/2011/05/06/vim-is-the-worst-text-editor-ever-sometimes18:15
brousch"Forcing an editor on another person is just cruel, and it makes you look like a jerk. So don't do it."18:15
wolfgerIron Man 2 was another good action flick18:16
wolfgernot sure how recent it was18:16
wolfgermy sense of time is shot all to hell18:16
brouschironman++18:17
wolfgerIron Man 1 & 2 gives me hope that The Avengers won't suck18:17
rick_h__brousch: meh, that's link bait is all that is18:17
wolfgerthat and the fact Joss Whedon is helming it18:17
rick_h__"Oh vim is greatest ever but don't make others use it"18:17
brouschmy wife loves smallville, which is full of angsty whiner heroes. ironman was an awesome change18:18
snap-lDon't make anyone have to use an editor18:23
snap-lLet them come to it naturally.18:23
rick_h__I should write a counter argument18:24
rick_h__"You know, if your pair partner is partially knowledgeable on vim basics18:24
rick_h__an advanced user during pairing can help improve their skill and thus productivity beyond the pair programming session"18:25
brouschrick_h__: the blog is from a ruby shop in GR, just to get you more fired up18:26
rick_h__heh, well no wonder they use textmate18:26
brouschgreat guys, nonetheless18:26
jrwren Kenneth Brannagh  is in Thor?18:39
Milyardorick_h__: You should ask if that blog post was written in vim19:23
snap-lOK, I'll shut up about Eclipse pHase in a bit, but this is awesome: https://twitter.com/#!/EclipsePhase/statuses/6657254971421491219:54
snap-l"Posted official torrent for the EP Core Rulebook 3rd printing. Help seed! http://mgnet.me/.eclipsephase"19:54
brouschsnap-l: weren't you just cursing eclipse earlier today?19:56
snap-lWrong Eclipse19:56
brouschsnap-l: so this Eclipse thing you love is the tweenybopper werewolf/leachman thing?20:41
jrwrenrofl.20:48
MilyardoWHat's Eclipse Phase?21:43
snap-lIt's a pen and paper RPG that is Creative Commons licensed.21:44
snap-lhttp://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/21:45
brouschah, so an RPG based on the tweenybopper leachman series?21:59
brouschpoor greg-g23:57

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