[01:02] http://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/ [01:02] It has arrived, and it is still awesome. :) [01:08] still loading [01:09] that is one big pdf [01:09] Yeah, it is [01:09] It's the third printing [01:10] Fully CC licensed. No need for disclaimers [01:13] pretty [01:27] Yeah, I've been kicking around using the mechanics and artwork and making a video game [01:28] The setting is awesome, and the folks who make it seem genuinely cool with people using the stuff [01:29] Definitely a change from some of the shithead moves of other companies. [01:30] nice [01:32] snap-l: wish I would have caught the question or discussion before a few minutes ago. [01:32] ah well. [01:33] http://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/ [01:33] PainBank: ^^ PDF File. ;) [01:33] Fully CC licensed. No need for disclaimers [01:33] thnx [01:33] np [01:46] snap-l: wow, 400 page doc... that is quite an extensive game. [01:46] so what are you doing on it? [01:46] Nothing yet, but I have some ideas percolating [01:48] hmmm... [01:48] but right now, this is a RPG for pen/paper, right? [01:48] Yeah [01:49] party time [01:49] rick_h__: More drugs? [01:49] naw, meant your game [01:49] Oh, yeah [01:49] I'm on a constant drug barage [01:49] but the big ones are slowly wearing off [01:49] so at times almost feel nomrla [01:49] normal [01:49] until I have to "drink my dinner" [01:50] and the ouch that brings [01:50] snap-l: so do you have a crew you play these games with? [01:50] until the normla wears off, I like it [01:50] club or someting? [01:50] No, I don't. [01:50] JoDee and I have played a few of them [01:50] but mostly I mine them for ideas [01:51] cool [01:55] makes me think old school scifi rpg like Star Frontiers [01:55] or gamma world [01:57] Yeah, but a lot darker than those games [01:57] snap-l: so are you chatting with the folks at Posthuman Studios? [01:57] I asked them if I could help them do a case study for Creative Commons [01:57] I enjoyed Shadowrun and if it has some basis from there... cool [01:57] sweet [01:58] Um, they used to be a part of Catalyst Game Labs [01:58] worked on Shadowrun 4th [01:58] yup [01:58] They split off, though, because of some stupidity at catalyst [01:58] mostly mixing of funds with personal goals [01:59] (on the Catalyst side) [02:02] sure, and that sucks. [02:12] well, time for me to head home. [02:12] talk to you all later [03:15] I <3 Java [03:15] I'm being told to use JDK 1.5 because it doesn't ship with JAXWS. [03:16] good to see you've come around [03:16] Never mind that JDK 1.5 was last supported in 2009 [03:17] welcome to the enterprise [03:17] giant apps built on crusty old stable platforms [03:18] Yeah, and I get to install my own Java [03:18] FML === JonathanS is now known as JonathanD [13:01] morning, peeps [13:02] ugh, morning [13:04] <_stink_> heh [13:35] fucking windows [13:47] Good morning [13:47] and yes [13:51] Yay for morning webcasts [13:54] Love that they use music that sounds like it should be playing at the Rainforest Cafe. [13:54] so if you are making an IM client...and specifically branding it for office use (say, by calling it Office Communicator as a wild example)... would you ever even consider making "(s)" display a moon-smiley? [13:55] communicator does that? [13:55] I mean, what's more common for office use, denoting something(s) as optionally plural, or wanting to display a moon? [13:55] yes, OC does that [13:56] and I'm glad I was only chatting with my friend, and not, say, the head of my department [13:56] because it looks terribly unprofessional [13:57] I'm not seeing that one. [13:57] Maybe it's special Chrysler rules? O.o [13:58] I do love, thhough, that all yesterday this update program was bitching me out that it was going to install something [13:58] and now this fine morning, during a webcast, it decides to start loading [13:58] this is OC 2007 R2, fwiw [13:58] I hope it decides to restart my machine without telling me, because that would be awesome [13:58] LOL [13:58] Yeah, we're only on 2005 [13:59] that would be full of win and covered in awesome sauce, it would [13:59] With bacon [14:00] so sometime between 2005 and 2007, MS forgot they were designing an office product.... [14:00] ...or the avg professional level of offices around the country plummeted [14:00] I can believe either, really. [14:08] why fucking windows? [14:08] snap-l: rofl @ jdk1.5 [14:09] jrwren: Seriously, Java is pathetic [14:09] jrwren: user has a virus this morning. other users have missing references due to some people on win7 and some on xp [14:09] i was hoping to get some real work done [14:14] snap-l: oh, I know it is. But its nice to hear you say it. [14:18] jrwren: When have I apologized for Java? [14:18] I used to like it, but it's become a miserable mess. :) [14:19] It's impossible to know what to do without serious help [14:19] its still nice to hear. [14:19] somethings just don't get tired. [14:20] heh [14:43] LOL. I just don't understand sports nuts sometimes. [14:43] I don't understand why people get so excited about the NFL draft in the first place... [14:44] i could explain it. [14:44] but leading up to this year's draft, Sports Illustrated published at least 3 (I'm thinking 5 or 6) projections of which team would take which player [14:44] and they were wrong [14:44] and today, they have online "early projections for the 2012 draft". WTF??? [14:45] You don't even know yet what order the teams will be picking in. [14:45] slow news day in the sports world? [14:46] "lol our local franchise of a business defeated another local franchise of the same business. yay!" [14:46] "they're our team! they represent us! None of them had ever been here before being hired!" [14:47] LOL [14:48] Kinda like having national pride in the armed forces if they were mostly foreign mercenaries.... [14:48] but, no, that part I understand. :-) [14:48] even if it's nonsensical [14:48] actually getting excited or enthusiastic about professional sports is just stupid [14:49] "The Red Wings are our team! All of those Russians and Canadians are *our* people" [14:49] the obscene paycheck has nothing to do with it [14:50] the paycheck always has everything to do with it, whether it's sports, IT, factory work, flipping burgers.... [14:51] You can say the armed forces are doing it to serve their country, but notice how they all still take a paycheck... [14:51] and ask yourself, if they stopped getting them, how long would they keep serving their country? [14:52] I don't see anything there to disagree with. [14:53] so the fact that we're paying them to represent us doesn't change the fact that they represent us. [14:53] no, but in the case of sports, that's why they're there. It has nothing to do with the team, place. They're traded around like commodities [14:54] when they do good, we feel good about ourselves, and when they do bad.... they suck and we need a new team. :-D [14:54] I have as much reason to cheer for Arizona's team as I do for "ours", except for a slight bump in local economy from home games, maybe. [14:54] Why feel good about myself if the Wings do well? What do they have to do with me, other than happening to play half their games here? [14:55] Imagine what we could do if we funnelled all of the pro sports money into the arts? [14:55] Like the DSO, for instance [14:55] ^ [14:55] The bolster Detroit's economy and Detroit's image. [14:55] or having a school system that isn't complete shit. [14:56] Hmm. So, how would the DSO benefit us? [14:56] but no, let's pay Federov nearly 100 million dollars to hit a puck [14:56] (I might be a bit behind in my sports news) [14:56] ROFL [14:56] a bit [14:56] ColonelPanic001: Yeah, just a hair [14:56] sports is more fun to watch. [14:56] its entertainment. [14:56] I'd rather watch high school kids play. [14:56] people like being entertained. [14:56] what is the big deal? [14:56] I'm glad yu didn't say "Gordie Howe" [14:56] the cost. [14:56] The $$ [14:56] cost to whom? [14:57] And the assinine way that teams go about patrolling their trademarks [14:57] jrwren: Stadium money doesn't just come from rich philanthropists. [14:57] that is cities faults. [14:57] or more shewdly for me, having to hear people never shut the hell up about sports. heh. [14:58] it SHOULd just come from rich philanthropists. [14:58] but now we are talking politics and not sports :) [14:58] you have 2 legs that work. don't want to hear it? walk away. [14:58] jrwren++ [14:58] And we're also seeing the corruption of colleges with the NCAA [14:58] i maked teh joke [14:58] im srry [14:58] where money comes out of other programs [14:59] snap-l: ??? [14:59] NCAA football is a cash cow [14:59] precisely [14:59] It's not about love of the game, it's about following the paycheck [14:59] moo. [14:59] the schools make obscene amounts of money off a successful team, they don't sink money into it from other programs [15:00] Like the Olympics used to be about amateur atheletes [15:00] That was until we sent folks like Michael Jordan to play [15:00] It's (I believe, not sure) nearly as much revenue as pro sports, and they're not *allowed* to pay the players anything. [15:00] What a scam that is! [15:01] but $$$ doesn't come out of other programs. it goes into other programs. [15:01] unless you are ohio state :) [15:01] snap-l: the olympics were about "amateurs" in the sense that other countries did have "pros" and we did. [15:01] but they had pro-qualitiy athletes [15:02] Right, the line got blurred. I get that [15:02] the line was a scam to begin with [15:02] My beef is that suddenly nobody cared to hide it [15:02] I hate the Olympics anyway, so I'm biased. [15:03] "if you want to be an olympian, you can't accept money". Big scam. [15:03] I believe the olympics used to be a great idea.... back when they were first invented. [15:04] The olympics, where everyone is a farm kid from Oaklahoma with a blind and deaf mother and father, two dyslexic siblings, and a cat on three legs [15:04] but they had a dream. [15:04] back in the days when a marathon was run out of necessity rather than for exercise or some cracked idea of "fun". [15:05] I would like to see the three-legged-cat Olympics. [15:05] Inspirational stories become much less inspirational when everyone has an inspirational story to tell [15:06] And considering everyone is there by the grace of God and sponsorships, there's plenty to go around [15:06] <_stink_> wonder what inspirational story they'd come up with for me [15:06] so stop your yammering and show fucking curling already. [15:06] <_stink_> "grew up kind of scrawny with kind of red hair" [15:07] I have an inspirational story to tell. [15:07] you don't have one? [15:08] Craig grew up like most boys his age, awkward, funny looking, and a social outcast [15:08] EXACTLY! [15:08] ZOMg, i hated the insp story when teh curling match was coming up. [15:08] esp when it was canada playing. [15:09] It's the same witht he news and the "michigan connection" [15:09] snap-l: your description of the olympics sounds earily like every single season of American Idol [15:09] Channel 4 is great for finding one person who happens to have a relative living in MI [15:10] Horriffic accident in Antartica. Here's the Michigan connection [15:10] "the bolts in the airplane are from Flint" [15:10] eh, we were in southern canada, so we didn't have ice for 3 months out of the year. we'd spill a gallon of my dad's used motor oil out in da yard and slide my ma's pots as pans as we couldn't afford stones [15:10] Osama bin Laden has been killed. We talk to his Michigan relatives [15:10] wolfger: BINGO [15:11] The man's dad had 52 children [15:11] "The bullet was made with steel that was made at Great Lakes Steel" [15:11] You're bound to find at least 3 of them in Dearborn, I'm sure [15:12] The man was found with a 2 litre of Vernors, which used to be made in Michigan near the Beter Made Plant [15:12] yes [15:12] used to be? [15:12] Vernor's isn't Michigan made anymore? [15:12] wolfger: Hasn't been for a while now, iirc [15:12] it's not even made with ginger anymore [15:12] :-( [15:12] <_stink_> call Channel 4 [15:13] <_stink_> they'll do a story on it [15:13] The flagship Detroit bottling plant was shut down by United Brands in 1985, with the local rights to bottle Vernors granted to Pepsi-Cola.[5] [15:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vernors [15:14] http://www.drpeppersnapplegroup.com/brands/vernors/ [15:14] * snap-l schedules grief counseling for wolfger [15:14] awesome domain [15:15] drpeppersnapplegroup.com that is [15:15] Milyardo: Yeah, just trips off of the tongue, doesn't it? [15:17] OK, off to do something awesome. brb. [15:21] we don't need to know when you take potty breaks [15:22] speak for yourself. [15:23] I prefer frequent, detailed updated [15:23] updates, rather [15:23] what are you, his doctor? [15:23] I just like to be kept in the loop [15:24] Faygo is still made here, at least [15:25] actually going to a restaurant tonight that recently opened, that features food/drink from Michigan (primarily, not exclusively) [15:25] and Jone's I think [15:25] I had no idea Jones was from MI [15:26] http://www.freep.com/article/20110505/COL20/105050315/Twisted-Rooster-chain-launches-Chesterfield-Township?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p [15:26] Yeah all those black and white pics on the bottles are from different parts of MI [15:26] They come up here to U of M to take picutres all the time [15:27] well, I was aware you could submit pics to Jones for their use... I just thought some Michigan photographer was a big contributor [15:27] pepsi is made here in a flint bottling plant (last I checked) [15:29] Krondor: You live in Flint? [15:29] Aww my first askubuntu question drifts off into obscurity with no votes [15:30] Milyardo: nope royal oak [15:31] No idea where that is [15:31] Near detroit southern oakland county [15:34] wtf is twisted rooster? [15:34] never heard of royal oak? ha! [15:36] Twisted Rooster == Screwed Up Cock [15:41] <_stink_> or Crooked Cock. [15:42] jrwren: you could... I don't know.... click the link and find out what it is. [15:43] or infer from my previous statement [15:43] well, ok, 2 statements previous [15:44] as the immediate predecessor was a reply to something somebody else said [15:44] terrible article title. [15:45] because I don't like "chain" erstaurants. [15:45] but 2 location != chain. [15:45] so this twisted rooster is not a chain. [15:45] ok. What is the jrwren definition of chain? [15:45] oh sorry, 4 locations. [15:46] lmgtfy define:chain [15:46] meh, ok... its definitely a chain. [15:46] owned by Wendy's parent company [15:47] so it's a chain if it's owned by a corporation? [15:47] that's a sad definition [15:48] also wondering where you see there are 4 locations. I only derived 3 from the article. [16:03] Wait, someone doesn't know where Royal Oak is? [16:04] Man, talk about the AA buffer. :) [16:07] no. [16:07] snap-l: Lots of people don't know where Royal Oak is [16:07] any restaurant that isn't a corporation is just stupid. [16:07] you'd be hard pressed to find one. [16:07] wolfger: twisted-cork.com [16:07] Outside of Michigan, people often think of the entire state in terms of "Detroit" and "the upper peninsula" [16:07] or whatever it is. [16:07] twisted-rooster.com [16:08] I mean people in Michigan [16:08] and the UP doesn't count because that's like a different country. ;) [16:09] Yeah. It's like Canada. [16:09] AA people don't know royal oak because a lot of them aren't from MI. they are from outside MI and relocated to Umich. [16:09] In my defense I've only lived here for about 3 years now -.- [16:09] Oh, wait, that's just a different state, not a different country [16:09] ^ This [16:10] I like the Twisted Rooster motto, "Commit to the Mitt" [16:32] there is at least 1 twisted rooster here in grand rapids [16:33] reading scroll [17:02] Just had fun changing network cards. [17:09] Dropped a 3Com card from 1997 into this box [17:09] and it appears to kick the ever-loving crap out of the realtek card in here [17:12] changing network cards is "fun"? [17:15] not really [17:15] since network manager is a real PITA [17:17] I mean, it does what it thinks is the right thing [17:17] but it wasn't what I did [17:17] s/did/wanted/ [17:32] so... [17:32] who's going to go see Thor this weekend and let me know if it sucks or not? [17:33] I haven't seen it, it probably sucks [17:33] LOL [17:33] insightful and informative [17:34] that's slashdot quality commentary there... [17:34] :-) [17:35] Kenneth Brannagh at the helm gives me hope [17:35] but then again, he's done crap before, too [17:36] I heard it was good from Jacob (from the Ubuntu Ohio group) [17:36] has hollywood done any good action movies in the last I don't know how long? [17:37] I guess the batmans have been good [17:37] sure, for somebody's definition of "good" [17:38] I'm trying to think of the last good one I saw... drawing a blank [17:38] Suckerpunch was good... but it wasn't *really* and action flick [17:38] s/and/an/ [17:39] I'm a bit jaded, I just watched 2012 recently [17:39] both of them [17:39] awful [17:39] Does Avatar count as an action flick? That was pretty awesome. But not for reasons of action.... :-p [17:39] sure, Avatar counts I guess [17:39] that was decent [17:40] it was awesome from the world-building standpoint, and 3D standpoint [17:40] it suffers some in 2D [17:40] but I love the details and the plants and animals created for that movie [17:43] Dnaces With Smurfs wasn't much other than action. [17:44] Titanic 2 is out on netflix "Irony looms for the passengers of a luxury cruise liner Titanic II" [17:44] I WONDER WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SHIP [17:44] They better have William Shatner in Titanic II [17:44] he was brilliant in Airplane 2 [17:44] actually, it'd be awesome if the movie was just a couple enjoying the cruise, and nothing unusual happened [17:44] AKA another sequel that didn't need to be made [17:49] Binbrain does inception count as action? [17:52] Krondroid: good one, that counts [18:03] titanic 2 involves near-future submersible pleasure cruises to undersea tourist spots like the titanic. but what mutant beast lurks within its hull? [18:06] hah [18:09] Megashark and giant octopus [18:09] the titanic was intentionally sunk by the illuminati to reinforce the rotting door over cthulu's tomb [18:09] heh [18:09] admit it. you'd watch the movie [18:10] * brousch adds this to his story ideas [18:14] Krondroid++ [18:15] oh my. let's get rick_h__ fired up today http://www.mutuallyhuman.com/blog/2011/05/06/vim-is-the-worst-text-editor-ever-sometimes [18:15] "Forcing an editor on another person is just cruel, and it makes you look like a jerk. So don't do it." [18:16] Iron Man 2 was another good action flick [18:16] not sure how recent it was [18:16] my sense of time is shot all to hell [18:17] ironman++ [18:17] Iron Man 1 & 2 gives me hope that The Avengers won't suck [18:17] brousch: meh, that's link bait is all that is [18:17] that and the fact Joss Whedon is helming it [18:17] "Oh vim is greatest ever but don't make others use it" [18:18] my wife loves smallville, which is full of angsty whiner heroes. ironman was an awesome change [18:23] Don't make anyone have to use an editor [18:23] Let them come to it naturally. [18:24] I should write a counter argument [18:24] "You know, if your pair partner is partially knowledgeable on vim basics [18:25] an advanced user during pairing can help improve their skill and thus productivity beyond the pair programming session" [18:26] rick_h__: the blog is from a ruby shop in GR, just to get you more fired up [18:26] heh, well no wonder they use textmate [18:26] great guys, nonetheless [18:39] Kenneth Brannagh is in Thor? [19:23] rick_h__: You should ask if that blog post was written in vim [19:54] OK, I'll shut up about Eclipse pHase in a bit, but this is awesome: https://twitter.com/#!/EclipsePhase/statuses/66572549714214912 [19:54] "Posted official torrent for the EP Core Rulebook 3rd printing. Help seed! http://mgnet.me/.eclipsephase" [19:56] snap-l: weren't you just cursing eclipse earlier today? [19:56] Wrong Eclipse [20:41] snap-l: so this Eclipse thing you love is the tweenybopper werewolf/leachman thing? [20:48] rofl. [21:43] WHat's Eclipse Phase? [21:44] It's a pen and paper RPG that is Creative Commons licensed. [21:45] http://ubuntuone.com/p/rAW/ [21:59] ah, so an RPG based on the tweenybopper leachman series? [23:57] poor greg-g