[00:00] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: anything else on the adgenda?
[00:18] <linuxman410> anyone here
[00:18] <linuxman410> cyberanger do you like unity
[00:19] <linuxman410> chris4585 do you like unity
[00:20] <cyberanger> linuxman410: not really
[00:27] <linuxman410> vychune do u like unity
[00:28] <vychune> havent tried it yet
[00:28] <vychune> brb going to store
[01:08] <chris4585> linuxman410, its okay, but personally I like gnoem3 way more
[01:09] <linuxman410> chris4585 have u ever used a acer aspire one
[01:09] <chris4585> nope
[01:26] <chris4585> lol http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/309/a/4/ubuntu_vs_gnome_by_jeypeyy-d327m94.png
[01:31] <pace_t_zulu> we ready?
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger chris4585 linuxman410 vychune_away orias Juzzy elijah-mbp Dan9186 Svpernova09 Worldspice_Will xTEMPLARx ping
[01:36] <pace_t_zulu> ouch
[01:44] <cyberanger2> Quiet
[01:47] <cyberanger2> Suprisingly quiet, wow
[01:47] <cyberanger2> Happy Cinco de Mayo
[01:47] <cyberanger2> Everyone
[01:50] <linuxman410> cyberanger did you clone yourself one and two
[01:53] <cyberanger2> No, just split personality
[02:10] <vychune_away> lol
[02:12] <vychune> pace_t_zulu meeting?
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> so...
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> yea
[02:13] <vychune> where is everyone?
[02:13] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger cyberanger2 we do have a meeting right now.... right?
[02:14] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger, you mind starting it?
[02:23] <linuxman410> is there going to be a meeting
[02:23] <chris4585> linuxman410, I think its already over
[02:24] <linuxman410> ajorned
[02:24] <linuxman410> chris4585 what did we discuss i missed it
[02:25] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: you didn't miss anything
[02:25] <pace_t_zulu> there has been no meeting
[02:26] <linuxman410> i sit here an hour for nothing
[02:26] <linuxman410> well at least i can say i showed up
[02:27] <linuxman410> well thats all folks
[02:29] <vychune> first one i make is a bust
[02:31] <linuxman410> cyberanger still here
[02:32] <linuxman410> cyberanger2 still here
[02:33] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu u still here
[02:33] <pace_t_zulu> yo
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> i'll go ahead
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> #startmeeting
[02:34] <MootBot> Meeting started at 20:34. The chair is pace_t_zulu.
[02:34] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> o/
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> vychune:
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> chris4585:
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410:
[02:34] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger2:
[02:34] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu you use a netbook or laptop and what kind i am looking to get another one
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: laptop
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: macbook pr
[02:35] <pace_t_zulu> s/pr/pro/
[02:36] <pace_t_zulu> [topic] Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)
[02:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal)
[02:36] <pace_t_zulu> doesn't live boot on my macbook pro ... i should file a bug
[02:37] <pace_t_zulu> but it doesn't support wireless on the mbp either
[02:37] <linuxman410> i do not like the unity part requires too much hardware
[02:37] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: but classic is right there
[02:37] <linuxman410> yes for this version
[02:37] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: and 11.10 should have a 2d unity version
[02:38] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu 11.04 has a 2d version it sucks
[02:40] <linuxman410> my main concern is ubuntu is forgetting what linux is all about saving old hardware ubuntu has lost sight of that
[02:40] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: i'm not sure ubuntu is about saving old hardware
[02:41] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: xubuntu is about saving old hardware
[02:41] <pace_t_zulu> seems to be how it works
[02:42] <linuxman410> xubuntu requirments are getting high too now debian is remembering that old machine you have in the corner
[02:43] <linuxman410> debian had the drivers for my intel 845ge video
[02:43] <linuxman410> ubuntu stop supporting that in 10.04
[02:45] <linuxman410> i even have fedora 14 running on old 800mhz laptop
[02:48] <linuxman410> ubuntu is not going to offer classic in 11.10
[02:48] <linuxman410> so it is upgrade your hardware or quit using ubuntu
[02:51] <vychune> i havent upgraded so i have no comments on natty
[02:51] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: couldn't we build the i845g drivers for maverick and natting in a ppa?
[02:52] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu i tried computer locked up and would not boot
[02:52] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: sorry to hear that
[02:53] <vychune> damn
[02:53] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: i suppose debian6 is running on an older kernel than natty
[02:53] <vychune> why would that be?
[02:54] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: debian 6 came out before natty
[02:54] <vychune> oh
[02:54] <pace_t_zulu> and its got a longer release cycle
[02:54] <vychune> what is thier release cycle
[02:54] <pace_t_zulu> so it's possible it has an older kernel than maverick
[02:54] <vychune> dang
[02:55] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu debian 6 runs great on my machine and also runs without flash it uses html5
[02:55]  * vychune goes to debian website to download
[02:55] <pace_t_zulu> well debian is on version 6 ... initial release was in 93
[02:56] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: ubuntu pulls from debian's unstable branch for regular releases and testing branch for LTS releases
[02:56] <orias> o/
[02:56] <vychune> oh ok cool
[02:56] <vychune> thee hew is
[02:56] <vychune> *there he is
[02:57] <pace_t_zulu> we have 4 now
[02:57] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here from memphis?
[02:57] <vychune> me
[02:57] <vychune> orias
[02:57] <orias> o/
[02:57] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: apparently jfenn is planning a meetup
[02:58] <vychune> jfenn?
[02:58] <pace_t_zulu> jfenn2199 that is
[02:58] <pace_t_zulu> so cyberanger said this afternoon
[02:59] <vychune> oh ok
[02:59] <pace_t_zulu> but i don't have any more info
[02:59] <vychune> thats ok
[03:02] <wrst> did i miss the meeting? :)
[03:02] <vychune>  smh
[03:02] <vychune> no
[03:04] <linuxman410> you did not miss nothing wrst
[03:05] <linuxman410> wrst where have u been
[03:05] <wrst> ha ha been pretty busy today linuxman410 how are you doing?
[03:06] <linuxman410> doing ok and you
[03:07] <linuxman410> just talking about natty 7
[03:07] <vychune> natty 7?
[03:07] <linuxman410> yeah they upgrade os you have to upgrade hardware
[03:11] <linuxman410> 2.6.32-5 this is kernel version in debian 6
[03:12] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu there is kernel version of debian 6
[03:13] <pace_t_zulu> natty 7?
[03:14] <vychune> thats what i said
[03:14] <linuxman410> yeah like windows 7 more hardware needed to run
[03:14] <vychune> lol
[03:14] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: are you saying debian 6 can emulate flash with html5?
[03:14] <linuxman410> yes indeed
[03:15] <linuxman410> and it works good
[03:15] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i know youtube has vids working with html5 i tried it out with chrome some time ago
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i am aware of that
[03:15] <pace_t_zulu> but emulating flash in html5 ... i am skeptical
[03:16] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu just wondering about ... yeah you took the words out of my mouth pace_t_zulu
[03:16] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu all the video i tried worked without flash
[03:16] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: on youtube?
[03:16] <linuxman410> on youtube
[03:17] <vychune> coolest
[03:17] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: youtube is a rare provider of html5 video
[03:17] <wrst> yeah try some flash thats not on youtube linuxman410 i think you may not be so happy
[03:17] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu debian 6 is a truly free kernel no extras
[03:17] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: i am aware of that
[03:18] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: many debian users point that out
[03:19] <linuxman410> pace_t_zulu fedora has same version kernel as natty and the intel 845ge video works with fedora
[03:21] <vychune> gonna head out guys i have a job now so i cant stay up ike i want to now
[03:21] <pace_t_zulu> linuxman410: have you filed a bug?
[03:21]  * wrst is not overly concerned with stallman freedom
[03:22]  * pace_t_zulu isn't either
[03:22] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: have you tried unity out with dual monitors?
[03:22] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: no, why?
[03:22] <vychune> o\
[03:23] <wrst> well the blasted top bar goes across the second monitor which i kinda understand with the global menus but that's being a pain for me at the moment
[03:28] <linuxman410> lubuntu is supporting 10.04 till 2015
[03:30] <linuxman410> is meeting still going on
[03:30] <linuxman410> wrst u still here
[03:31] <wrst> just for a minute linuxman410
[03:31] <wrst> what's up?
[03:31] <linuxman410> is the meeting over
[03:31] <wrst> think so
[03:34] <linuxman410> ok
[03:52] <pace_t_zulu> #endmeeting
[03:52] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 21:52.
[04:07] <orias> rawr
[04:08] <orias> 45minutes later I find badgerports and then can apt-get install keepass2 >_<
[15:54] <wrst> happy friday everyone
[15:58] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: I didn't have any more info either, jfenn2199 was working on the details last I heard
[17:07] <orias> :)
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> missed cyberanger...
[18:41]  * wrst is growing increasingly unhappy with 11.04
[18:51] <Dan9186> expound please
[18:55] <wrst> well just feels really incomplete to me Dan9186, unity seems to me to get more in the way, granted I'm more in the gnome 3 camp
[18:56] <wrst> but Dan9186 i'm running ubuntu server 11.04 and its good, but the desktop is i think just awful
[18:56] <wrst> well awful is an overstatement
[19:58] <vychune> isnt there a guy at worldspice that comes in here somwtimes?
[20:06] <pace_t_zulu> vychune: yea... worldspice_will
[20:06] <vychune> right
[20:06] <vychune> if you see him login, could you point him my way?
[20:07] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: would you say it's more unity that you are displeased with that anything else about the 11.04? or are there other problems
[20:08] <wrst> unity and my wireless pace_t_zulu :)
[20:08] <wrst> but mainly unity its just a pain
[20:09] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'd expect unity to advance by leaps and bound between now and 11.10 .... and then get some real polish in 12.04 LTS
[20:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: canonical was ambitious with unity ...
[20:10] <wrst> yeah and pace_t_zulu i admit to being in the gnome 3 camp also
[20:10] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: don't forget Mac OS X was a dog with 10.0 ... but people could see it was going in the right direction .... same for kde 4.x
[20:11] <wrst> but, gnome 3 is a very usable and stable now
[20:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i understand why you would be right now... but i get the impression that unity will progress faster than gnome3 ...
[20:11] <wrst> it may pace_t_zulu, but i certainly would not suggest the "average" user think about moving to it now
[20:11] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: if the gnome team set out to develop unity when canonical did - we wouldn't see it till 2014
[20:12] <wrst> i do look forward to seeing unity on top of gnome3
[20:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i'm still rocking gnome2
[20:12] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: but that's more because i spend most of my ubuntu (desktop) time in virtual machines
[20:12] <wrst> i really like the way that gnome shell works, its very intuitive i think
[20:30] <vychune> just saw this on facebook:
[20:31] <vychune> Jim McDermott
[20:31] <vychune> With all the different flavors of Ubuntu out there, could they not come up with a separate distro for newbies? You could call it Nubuntu or Duh-buntu.
[20:50] <vychune> you ok there pace_t_zulu?
[20:52] <pace_t_zulu> yea
[20:55] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: when i look at unity it sorta looks "old" compared to gnome shell or kde i think
[21:22] <chris4585> KDE is so pretty, but the problem I have with it is its not all that simple
[21:22] <chris4585> the problem with unity is that its not all that well done, accessing apps is a bit of a task
[21:23] <chris4585> the problems with gnome3 are the simplest of things that can be enabled but no easy option dialog to do that
[21:44] <wrst> chris4585: used the gnome-tweak-tool?