[00:00] pace_t_zulu: anything else on the adgenda? [00:18] anyone here [00:18] cyberanger do you like unity [00:19] chris4585 do you like unity [00:20] linuxman410: not really [00:27] vychune do u like unity [00:28] havent tried it yet [00:28] brb going to store === vychune is now known as vychune_away [01:08] linuxman410, its okay, but personally I like gnoem3 way more [01:09] chris4585 have u ever used a acer aspire one [01:09] nope [01:26] lol http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/309/a/4/ubuntu_vs_gnome_by_jeypeyy-d327m94.png [01:31] we ready? [01:36] cyberanger chris4585 linuxman410 vychune_away orias Juzzy elijah-mbp Dan9186 Svpernova09 Worldspice_Will xTEMPLARx ping [01:36] ouch === infocop411 is now known as cyberanger2 [01:44] Quiet [01:47] Suprisingly quiet, wow [01:47] Happy Cinco de Mayo [01:47] Everyone [01:50] cyberanger did you clone yourself one and two [01:53] No, just split personality [02:10] lol === vychune_away is now known as vychune [02:12] pace_t_zulu meeting? [02:13] so... [02:13] yea [02:13] where is everyone? [02:13] cyberanger cyberanger2 we do have a meeting right now.... right? [02:14] cyberanger, you mind starting it? [02:23] is there going to be a meeting [02:23] linuxman410, I think its already over [02:24] ajorned [02:24] chris4585 what did we discuss i missed it [02:25] linuxman410: you didn't miss anything [02:25] there has been no meeting [02:26] i sit here an hour for nothing [02:26] well at least i can say i showed up [02:27] well thats all folks [02:29] first one i make is a bust [02:31] cyberanger still here [02:32] cyberanger2 still here [02:33] pace_t_zulu u still here [02:33] yo [02:34] i'll go ahead [02:34] #startmeeting [02:34] Meeting started at 20:34. The chair is pace_t_zulu. [02:34] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [02:34] o/ [02:34] vychune: [02:34] chris4585: [02:34] linuxman410: [02:34] cyberanger2: [02:34] pace_t_zulu you use a netbook or laptop and what kind i am looking to get another one [02:35] linuxman410: laptop [02:35] linuxman410: macbook pr [02:35] s/pr/pro/ [02:36] [topic] Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) [02:36] New Topic: Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) [02:36] doesn't live boot on my macbook pro ... i should file a bug [02:37] but it doesn't support wireless on the mbp either [02:37] i do not like the unity part requires too much hardware [02:37] linuxman410: but classic is right there [02:37] yes for this version [02:37] linuxman410: and 11.10 should have a 2d unity version [02:38] pace_t_zulu 11.04 has a 2d version it sucks [02:40] my main concern is ubuntu is forgetting what linux is all about saving old hardware ubuntu has lost sight of that [02:40] linuxman410: i'm not sure ubuntu is about saving old hardware [02:41] linuxman410: xubuntu is about saving old hardware [02:41] seems to be how it works [02:42] xubuntu requirments are getting high too now debian is remembering that old machine you have in the corner [02:43] debian had the drivers for my intel 845ge video [02:43] ubuntu stop supporting that in 10.04 [02:45] i even have fedora 14 running on old 800mhz laptop [02:48] ubuntu is not going to offer classic in 11.10 [02:48] so it is upgrade your hardware or quit using ubuntu [02:51] i havent upgraded so i have no comments on natty [02:51] linuxman410: couldn't we build the i845g drivers for maverick and natting in a ppa? [02:52] pace_t_zulu i tried computer locked up and would not boot [02:52] linuxman410: sorry to hear that [02:53] damn [02:53] linuxman410: i suppose debian6 is running on an older kernel than natty [02:53] why would that be? [02:54] vychune: debian 6 came out before natty [02:54] oh [02:54] and its got a longer release cycle [02:54] what is thier release cycle [02:54] so it's possible it has an older kernel than maverick [02:54] dang [02:55] pace_t_zulu debian 6 runs great on my machine and also runs without flash it uses html5 [02:55] * vychune goes to debian website to download [02:55] well debian is on version 6 ... initial release was in 93 [02:56] vychune: ubuntu pulls from debian's unstable branch for regular releases and testing branch for LTS releases [02:56] o/ [02:56] oh ok cool [02:56] thee hew is [02:56] *there he is [02:57] we have 4 now [02:57] anyone here from memphis? [02:57] me [02:57] orias [02:57] o/ [02:57] vychune: apparently jfenn is planning a meetup [02:58] jfenn? [02:58] jfenn2199 that is [02:58] so cyberanger said this afternoon [02:59] oh ok [02:59] but i don't have any more info [02:59] thats ok [03:02] did i miss the meeting? :) [03:02] smh [03:02] no [03:04] you did not miss nothing wrst [03:05] wrst where have u been [03:05] ha ha been pretty busy today linuxman410 how are you doing? [03:06] doing ok and you [03:07] just talking about natty 7 [03:07] natty 7? [03:07] yeah they upgrade os you have to upgrade hardware [03:11] 2.6.32-5 this is kernel version in debian 6 [03:12] pace_t_zulu there is kernel version of debian 6 [03:13] natty 7? [03:14] thats what i said [03:14] yeah like windows 7 more hardware needed to run [03:14] lol [03:14] linuxman410: are you saying debian 6 can emulate flash with html5? [03:14] yes indeed [03:15] and it works good [03:15] pace_t_zulu: i know youtube has vids working with html5 i tried it out with chrome some time ago [03:15] wrst: i am aware of that [03:15] but emulating flash in html5 ... i am skeptical [03:16] yeah pace_t_zulu just wondering about ... yeah you took the words out of my mouth pace_t_zulu [03:16] pace_t_zulu all the video i tried worked without flash [03:16] linuxman410: on youtube? [03:16] on youtube [03:17] coolest [03:17] linuxman410: youtube is a rare provider of html5 video [03:17] yeah try some flash thats not on youtube linuxman410 i think you may not be so happy [03:17] pace_t_zulu debian 6 is a truly free kernel no extras [03:17] linuxman410: i am aware of that [03:18] linuxman410: many debian users point that out [03:19] pace_t_zulu fedora has same version kernel as natty and the intel 845ge video works with fedora [03:21] gonna head out guys i have a job now so i cant stay up ike i want to now [03:21] linuxman410: have you filed a bug? [03:21] * wrst is not overly concerned with stallman freedom [03:22] * pace_t_zulu isn't either [03:22] pace_t_zulu: have you tried unity out with dual monitors? [03:22] wrst: no, why? [03:22] o\ [03:23] well the blasted top bar goes across the second monitor which i kinda understand with the global menus but that's being a pain for me at the moment [03:28] lubuntu is supporting 10.04 till 2015 [03:30] is meeting still going on [03:30] wrst u still here [03:31] just for a minute linuxman410 [03:31] what's up? [03:31] is the meeting over [03:31] think so [03:34] ok [03:52] #endmeeting [03:52] Meeting finished at 21:52. [04:07] rawr [04:08] 45minutes later I find badgerports and then can apt-get install keepass2 >_< === Juzzy-p is now known as Juzzy [15:54] happy friday everyone [15:58] pace_t_zulu: I didn't have any more info either, jfenn2199 was working on the details last I heard [17:07] :) [17:37] missed cyberanger... [18:41] * wrst is growing increasingly unhappy with 11.04 [18:51] expound please [18:55] well just feels really incomplete to me Dan9186, unity seems to me to get more in the way, granted I'm more in the gnome 3 camp [18:56] but Dan9186 i'm running ubuntu server 11.04 and its good, but the desktop is i think just awful [18:56] well awful is an overstatement [19:58] isnt there a guy at worldspice that comes in here somwtimes? [20:06] vychune: yea... worldspice_will [20:06] right [20:06] if you see him login, could you point him my way? [20:07] wrst: would you say it's more unity that you are displeased with that anything else about the 11.04? or are there other problems [20:08] unity and my wireless pace_t_zulu :) [20:08] but mainly unity its just a pain [20:09] wrst: i'd expect unity to advance by leaps and bound between now and 11.10 .... and then get some real polish in 12.04 LTS [20:10] wrst: canonical was ambitious with unity ... [20:10] yeah and pace_t_zulu i admit to being in the gnome 3 camp also [20:10] wrst: don't forget Mac OS X was a dog with 10.0 ... but people could see it was going in the right direction .... same for kde 4.x [20:11] but, gnome 3 is a very usable and stable now [20:11] wrst: i understand why you would be right now... but i get the impression that unity will progress faster than gnome3 ... [20:11] it may pace_t_zulu, but i certainly would not suggest the "average" user think about moving to it now [20:11] wrst: if the gnome team set out to develop unity when canonical did - we wouldn't see it till 2014 [20:12] i do look forward to seeing unity on top of gnome3 [20:12] wrst: i'm still rocking gnome2 [20:12] wrst: but that's more because i spend most of my ubuntu (desktop) time in virtual machines [20:12] i really like the way that gnome shell works, its very intuitive i think [20:30] just saw this on facebook: [20:31] Jim McDermott [20:31] With all the different flavors of Ubuntu out there, could they not come up with a separate distro for newbies? You could call it Nubuntu or Duh-buntu. [20:50] you ok there pace_t_zulu? [20:52] yea [20:55] pace_t_zulu: when i look at unity it sorta looks "old" compared to gnome shell or kde i think [21:22] KDE is so pretty, but the problem I have with it is its not all that simple [21:22] the problem with unity is that its not all that well done, accessing apps is a bit of a task [21:23] the problems with gnome3 are the simplest of things that can be enabled but no easy option dialog to do that [21:44] chris4585: used the gnome-tweak-tool? === vychune is now known as vychune_unclelou === vychune_unclelou is now known as vychune