[06:52] <Kilos> morning superfly nlsthzn and others
[06:53] <nlsthzn> Good morning uncle Kilos
[06:54] <Kilos> hows ya today nlsthzn 
[06:56] <nlsthzn> Kilos: still fuzzy and only half awake :/ silly cold/flu is taking it's sweet time making me sick... seems I am now loosing the battle against it 
[06:56] <Kilos> eish
[06:58] <Kilos> ..
[06:59] <nlsthzn> I guess it is my turn... several peeps here have been very ill in the last two weeks (wife even it the hospital for a day)... so my turn is my turn ... still sucks :p
[07:00] <Kilos> you wife
[07:00] <Kilos> thats not nice nlsthzn 
[07:00] <Kilos> how did they cure her in a day
[07:01] <nlsthzn> not cured, but the high fever broke so she was ok to go home (or she fealt good enough... was still very ill)
[07:12] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[07:12]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn, coffee time
[07:14] <nlsthzn> Maaz: coffee please
[07:14] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Alrighty
[07:16] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and nlsthzn!
[07:17] <nlsthzn> Maaz: thanks
[07:17] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Okay :-)
[07:17] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks very much kind bot
[07:17] <Maaz> sure thing, Kilos
[07:33] <Kilos> lo sakhi 
[07:33] <Kilos> fly must be sick too
[07:33] <Kilos> too many peeps spraying doom around
[07:36] <Kilos> gotta be careful. i see they even got super doom as well
[07:42] <sakhi> hi Kilos 
[07:42] <sakhi> mornings
[08:26] <Kilos> hi Vamp0611 
[08:27] <Kilos> new here?
[08:27] <Kilos> hi |3o|3 
[08:27] <|3o|3> hey Kilos
[09:34] <plustwo> hi Kilos
[09:52] <queery> weirdest thing
[09:53] <queery> using 10.10 and my dell's little blue light of the webcam just went on
[09:53] <queery> nothing open that would use the webcam
[09:53] <queery> it just went on
[09:53] <queery> freaky
[09:54] <queery> had to restart
[09:54] <queery> logging out did nothing
[09:59] <inetpro> good morning
[10:08] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[10:08]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:08] <queery> anyone else?
[10:09] <plustwo> konnichiwa inetpro
[10:10] <inetpro> eish
[10:10] <inetpro> the japanese guy here again?
[10:10] <inetpro> heh plustwo, what's up doc?
[10:10] <queery> konnichiwa plustwo 
[10:10] <queery> genki desu ka?
[10:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[10:12] <queery> Maaz, ty
[10:12] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[10:12] <queery> heh
[10:12] <queery> who played with maaz?
[10:13] <queery> plustwo, anata wa okama?
[10:13] <plustwo> queery: genki desu
[10:14] <queery> plustwo, anata wa okama desuka?
[10:16] <afrodeity> very genki today I see
[10:16] <queery> my hanasu is horrible!
[10:17] <inetpro> hmm... I think you guys should join the japanese channel at #ubuntu-jp
[10:17] <queery> haha
[10:17] <afrodeity> watashi wa afrodeity des
[10:17] <plustwo> inetpro: domo arigato
[10:18] <inetpro> nee man plustwo, gaan speel op 'n ander plek
[10:19] <afrodeity> genki desu
[10:19] <plustwo> inetpro: chotto, sumimasen ga ...
[10:19] <queery> I only know like 10 words
[10:20] <plustwo> lol
[10:20] <plustwo> same here
[10:20] <afrodeity> hajimemashite?
[10:20] <inetpro> Maaz: help translate 
[10:20] <Maaz> inetpro: Translates a phrase using Google Translate. You can use it like this:
[10:20] <Maaz>   translate (<phrase>|<url>) [from <language>] [to <language>]
[10:20] <Maaz>   translation chain <phrase> [from <language>] [to <language>]
[10:20] <plustwo> afrodeity: hajimemashite
[10:21] <inetpro> Maaz: translate "chotto, sumimasen ga" from japanese
[10:21] <Maaz> inetpro: "Chotto, sumimasen ga"
[10:21] <afrodeity> doso yoroshiku onegaishimasu
[10:21] <inetpro> Maaz: translate "chotto, sumimasen ga" from japanese to english
[10:21] <Maaz> inetpro: "Chotto, sumimasen ga"
[10:21] <inetpro> yikes
[10:21] <confluency> It's like "schadenfreude". ;)
[10:21] <inetpro> Kilos: jy sien, hy praat net nonsens
[10:21] <queery> google translate needs the original jap
[10:22] <plustwo> inetpro: it means 'excuse me'
[10:22] <afrodeity> there doesn't appear to be a good japanese-english tranlator
[10:22] <inetpro> that's just sad
[10:22] <afrodeity> kisu shite mo ii?
[10:23] <afrodeity> all the translaters only translate kanji to english
[10:23] <queery> maaz, translate "元気ですか" from Japanese to English
[10:23] <Maaz> queery: "How are you?"
[10:23] <queery> see
[10:23] <Kilos> wie inetpro maaz?
[10:24] <inetpro> Maaz: translate "元気ですか" to english
[10:24] <Maaz> inetpro: "How are you?"
[10:24] <afrodeity> dai suki dayo
[10:24] <plustwo> can maaz translate to japanese?
[10:24] <queery> aishitero
[10:24] <afrodeity> no way
[10:24] <queery> he will give the jap letters
[10:25] <afrodeity> kekkon shite kureru?
[10:26] <queery> no!
[10:26] <afrodeity> thought I was getting lucky there
[10:26] <queery> Watashi wa anata o shiranai
[10:26] <plustwo> mada kekkon shitakunai
[10:26] <afrodeity> watashi wa gekusei desu
[10:28] <queery> haha
[10:28] <queery> me neither plustwo 
[10:28] <plustwo> :-)
[10:28] <afrodeity> need to brush up on my language skills
[10:29] <afrodeity> why is there no direct translation for japlish?
[10:29] <queery> hehe im horrible at languages cause I have a bad memory
[10:29] <plustwo> queery: arigato gozaimasu
[10:30] <afrodeity> queery: anata wa nihonjin desu ka?
[10:31] <afrodeity> honki desu ka?
[10:32] <queery> no afrodeity 
[10:32] <afrodeity> just wondering
[10:32] <queery> a bit
[10:33] <queery> no to anata wa nihonjin desu ka?
[10:33] <afrodeity> yes
[10:33] <queery> yes to honki desu ka?
[10:34] <afrodeity> good
[10:34] <afrodeity> haha
[10:34] <queery> good that im sleeping?
[10:35] <afrodeity> that would be nemui desu ka
[10:35] <queery> oh
[10:35] <queery> oops
[10:35] <afrodeity> honki desu ka = are u serious?
[10:36] <queery> oh are you serious
[10:36] <queery> haha
[10:36] <queery> ok
[10:36] <queery> serious about what?
[10:36] <afrodeity> japanese I guess
[10:37] <plustwo> wakarimashita
[10:37] <afrodeity> wakari south africa desu
[10:37] <queery> that's a really long way to say ok
[10:37] <queery> I am
[10:38]  * plustwo utaimasu
[10:39] <afrodeity> kekkon shite irasshaimasu ka?
[10:41] <afrodeity> sumimasen
[10:41] <queery> im single
[10:43] <afrodeity> nihon ni itta koto ga arimusu ka?
[10:45] <afrodeity> ogenki desu ka
[10:45] <afrodeity> very genki today 
[10:46] <queery> k
[10:46] <queery> lunch
[10:47] <afrodeity> itadakimasu
[13:21]  * Vamp0611 wonders if learning to translate is all that happens here
[13:26] <superfly> Vamp0611: no, it's just afrodeity, he's... uh... "special"
[13:27] <Vamp0611> k... every groups got to have one right
[13:28] <superfly> indeed
[13:29] <Vamp0611> r u in SA
[13:29] <superfly> Maaz: u
[13:29] <Maaz> superfly: Excuse me?
[13:29] <superfly> yeah, I didn't understand either
[13:30] <superfly> Vamp0611: are you asking if I am in SA?
[13:30]  * inetpro didn't even see Vamp0611 stepping into the room
[13:30] <inetpro> Vamp0611: welcome at #ubuntu-za
[13:31] <Vamp0611> "are you living in South Africa" I need to find a way to get neotel to work on ubunt. 
[13:31]  * Vamp0611 slides into a room
[13:31] <inetpro> :-)
[13:31] <superfly> Vamp0611: I think most of us are in SA
[13:31] <inetpro> Vamp0611: this is the South African channel for ubuntu 
[13:32] <superfly> Vamp0611: what modem do you have?
[13:33] <Vamp0611> neotel prime
[13:33] <inetpro> Vamp0611: that's the deal with just a phone?
[13:33] <inetpro> and the phone has some USB connection?
[13:34] <Vamp0611> yep
[13:34] <inetpro> I think I had that some time ago and got it working on the CLI but I gave up
[13:34] <inetpro> their speed was way to slow for me
[13:35] <inetpro> I'll have to look at my backups at home and see whether I can find the relevant settings
[13:35] <inetpro> later tonight
[13:35] <inetpro> but maybe someone else can help so long
[13:36] <Vamp0611> I did not have a problem with the speed just cant use ubuntu with it, I duel boot windows and ubuntu
[13:36]  * inetpro feels spoilt with speeds of higher than 1Mbps
[13:37] <inetpro> Vamp0611: what speeds did you get on Windows?
[13:37] <inetpro> I used Ubuntu
[13:37] <inetpro> well Kubuntu
[13:37] <afrodeity> za-free -- demand last mile access to fibre optic cable
[13:38] <afrodeity> join on fb
[13:38] <inetpro> afrodeity: huh?
[13:38] <Vamp0611> it said it was a 2.4mb conection but I download @ 150kb
[13:38] <afrodeity> no more copper we want fibre
[13:39] <inetpro> Vamp0611: well that is the thing, the real speed that you get is definitely much lower than advertised
[13:40] <Vamp0611> if things worked as advirtised I would not need to work
[13:40] <inetpro> and these telcos get away with it because they advertise speeds of "up to" a specific amount
[13:41] <inetpro> I don't mind not getting to the high amount but I do mind when it's almost unusable
[13:41] <Vamp0611> the "UP TO" is a burst speed every blue moon if you r luky
[13:41] <inetpro> afrodeity: wb
[13:42] <afrodeity> do u perhaps know how to toggle between two channels in weechat?
[13:43] <inetpro> afrodeity: hmm... not alt+1,2,3... ?
[13:43] <afrodeity> hmmn lets see
[13:44]  * nlsthzn is flu'ish and fuzzy and can't think straight and is sure nobody in the room is making the mistake but just wonders is anyone is confusing kilobits and kilobytes when talking about speed on the internet still....
[13:45] <inetpro> afrodeity: alt + left/right arrows (or F5/F6): switch to previous/next buffer 
[13:45] <superfly> Vamp0611: also remember that a 4Mbps connection gives you about 400KB/s - don't confuse Mbps with MB/s
[13:46] <Vamp0611> nlsthzn: no i think i got it 10mb line 1mb download
[13:46] <superfly> nlsthzn: it happens all the time
[13:47] <nlsthzn> just checking... lots of times people get mad when they actually have very decent speed :D
[13:47] <inetpro> Vamp0611: got to http://speedtest.net/
[13:47] <inetpro> go to*
[13:47] <superfly> Vamp0611: http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=convert+2.4+Mbps+to+KB%2Fs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=za
[13:47]  * nlsthzn likes the speedtest.net
[13:47] <inetpro> that will help you to determine a relative real speed
[13:48] <superfly> Vamp0611: of course that's not your *actual* speed, because you're not taking packet headers and other things into account
[13:48] <superfly> but it gives you an idea
[13:50] <Vamp0611> from here (PTA North) to jburg 15ms ping, 7.8mbps down, .86mbsp down
[13:51] <Vamp0611> I downloaded 11.04 in about 15min
[13:51] <Vamp0611> sorry .86up
[13:52] <afrodeity> apparently alt+1 2 3 no work
[13:52] <Vamp0611> done working for the day 
[13:53]  * Vamp0611 stuffs the laptop in a bag and runs out of the office
[13:54]  * afrodeity puts VR goggles back on
[13:56] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:56]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:58] <afrodeity> f5 or f6 toggles channel in weechat
[13:59] <afrodeity> yippie
[14:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:00] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:00] <Maaz> You're Welcome I'm sure
[14:02] <afrodeity> Maaz, serve me a bloody mary 
[14:02] <Maaz> afrodeity: Huh?
[14:02] <afrodeity> obviously needs to go to LCD liquors
[14:07]  * afrodeity cashes in some bitcoins and buys a two litre papsak
[14:08]  * nlsthzn wants some too please, liqour license has expired :/
[14:12] <afrodeity> maaz, google bitcoin please
[14:12] <Maaz> afrodeity: "Please help test: Bitcoin version 0.3.21 release candidate" http://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=6189.0 :: "Earn 139BTC or 3BTC for getting shops/organisations to accept Bitcoin!" https://www.bitcoin.org/smf/index.php?topic=4667.0 :: "Bitcoin - Area 51 - Stack Exchange" http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30763/bitcoin :: "BitcoinMe.com - Home" http://www.bitcoinme.com/ :: "User account | Bitcoin Bonus" https://bitco
[14:14] <netdog> Maaz: botsnack
[14:14] <Maaz> *crunch*
[14:17] <queery> maaz: whats for lunch?
[14:17] <Maaz> Hmm queery . Methinks Kentucky and coleslaw would go down well
[14:17] <queery> again?
[14:17] <queery> fat bot
[14:17] <cocooncrash> Maaz: forget whats for lunch
[14:17] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Done
[14:18] <queery> maaz: whats for lunch?
[14:18] <Maaz> queery: Excuse me?
[14:19] <queery> cocooncrash, you cant leave him like that
[14:21] <queery> why did Kerbero show the proxy and myne shows my ip?
[14:22] <queery> weird
[14:22] <cocooncrash> Maaz: lunch is <reply> $who: It feels like a KFC day
[14:22] <Maaz> cocooncrash: I'll remember that
[14:22] <queery> hehe ok
[14:22] <cocooncrash> Maaz: lunch is also <reply> $who: How about some soup?
[14:22] <Maaz> cocooncrash: If you say so
[14:22] <cocooncrash> Maaz: for lunch is the same as lunch
[14:22] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Okay
[14:22] <cocooncrash> Maaz: for lunch today is the same as lunch
[14:22] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Done
[14:22] <cocooncrash> Maaz: what's for lunch today?
[14:22] <Maaz> cocooncrash: How about some soup?
[14:23] <queery> sounds goood
[14:23] <cocooncrash> Maaz: lunch is also <reply> $who: Coffee should be enough...
[14:23] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Got it
[14:23] <queery> no
[14:23] <queery> Maaz: lunch is also <reply> $who: How about some sushi?
[14:23] <Maaz> queery: Got it
[14:23] <marcog> pity maaz doesn't have the dinner plugin :/
[14:24] <queery> I ahve to go work
[14:24] <queery> play l8er
[14:24] <cocooncrash> Maaz: lunch is also <reply> $who: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[14:24] <Maaz> cocooncrash: Got it
[14:24] <marcog> 15:24 <&marcog> tibid: what should i have for lunch?
[14:24] <marcog> 15:24 < tibid> marcog: Try some Roast Turkey with Pan Gravy. If you can't work it  out for yourself, there's a recipe at  http://www.cookstr.com/recipes/roast-turkey-with-pan-gravy
[14:31] <afrodeity> Maaz: lunch is also <reply> $who: A bowl of miso soup and noodles
[14:31] <Maaz> afrodeity: If you say so
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz: what is for lunch?
[14:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Go get Chippies, your friends will love you
[14:36] <nlsthzn> Maaz: thanks
[14:36] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[14:36]  * nlsthzn goes for some chippies
[14:46] <afrodeity> anybody know what the default runlevel for networking is supposed to be?
[14:46] <afrodeity> my sysv-rc-conf says 0,6
[14:53] <Kilos> are Chippies still pickled onions
[14:53] <cocooncrash> afrodeity: 2 to 5 should all have networking.
[14:57] <nlsthzn> ...else no internets for Firefox :p
[15:09] <afrodeity> cocooncrash: thanks, probably explains why I have to manually start the network after natty upgrade
[15:13] <afrodeity> anybody have a sysV default list for natty?
[15:19] <afrodeity> love it when a bug turns into a feature
[15:22] <afrodeity> the natty upgrade tool must have been assembled by a weed tokin' hippie 
[16:26] <inetpro> Maaz: lunch
[16:26] <Maaz> inetpro: Coffee should be enough...
[16:26] <inetpro> hmm... he knew that it's not lunch time any more?
[16:26] <inetpro> clever bot!
[16:28] <nlsthzn> inetpro: maaz got some new programming earlier today :)
[16:29] <inetpro> cocooncrash: wb
[16:30]  * inetpro heading home to take a breather from a rough week
[16:31] <inetpro> next week might just be worse
[16:31]  * inetpro is considering resigning from the board at school due to lack of time
[16:32] <inetpro> others should be able to do a much better job than me
[16:35] <Kilos> ya ya
[16:35] <Kilos> have a good weekend inetpro ]
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: thanks, will see you later in here
[16:36] <Kilos> cool
[17:56] <afrodeity> weechat + yeahconsole = obama bin laden
[19:07] <inetpro> good evening
[19:23] <inetpro> magellanic: wb
[19:23] <magellanic> inetpro: ;)
[19:23] <inetpro> or rather welcome?
[19:23] <inetpro> magellanic: you been here before?
[19:24] <magellanic> nope. noob here
[19:24] <inetpro> well, that be cool then
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I brought him across from #glug.za
[19:25] <magellanic> bbiab.
[19:26] <inetpro> magellanic: np
[19:26] <Kilos> hi magellanic 
[19:26] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu_za
[19:27] <Kilos> thats nice inetpro  we need some more peeps here
[19:27] <Kilos> go find more
[19:27] <inetpro> :-)
[19:27] <Kilos> look by #clug too
[19:27] <Kilos> hehe
[19:27] <inetpro> Kilos: how do I check the amount of free minutes available on VC again?
[19:28] <Kilos> vc?
[19:28] <Kilos> oh
[19:28] <Kilos> *111#
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: remember I forget more than you
[19:28] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: tks
[19:31] <Kilos> inetpro, yw
[19:31] <magellanic> so like the meet is so far tomorrow. I suppose most attendees are from pta though
[19:32] <inetpro> magellanic: you going to the meeting?
[19:32] <magellanic> still deciding
[19:33]  * inetpro will not be going
[19:33] <magellanic> why not?
[19:33] <inetpro> need time to recover from a rough week
[19:33] <inetpro> :-)
[19:34] <inetpro> or rather I need more time with the family
[19:34] <magellanic> fair enough :)
[19:35] <inetpro> magellanic: you coming from which area again?
[19:36] <magellanic> southgate
[19:36] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:36] <magellanic> yep :p
[19:36] <inetpro> you in town for the weekend?
[19:37] <magellanic> which town?
[19:37] <inetpro> like in JHB or PTA?
[19:37] <magellanic> jhb..
[19:37] <inetpro> or are you planning a launch party in Southgate?
[19:38] <inetpro> :-)
[19:38] <magellanic> nope. from southgate, might go to centurion for the launch, not decided yet.
[19:39] <magellanic> too late/no interest in the south to get a gathering I think
[19:39] <inetpro> heh, you'll be surprised
[19:40] <inetpro> I'm sure there are more people using Ubuntu that we still don't know about
[19:40] <inetpro> like my brother in law in Shelleybeach who suddenly told me he's been using it for a few months now
[19:41] <inetpro> and extremely happy
[19:41] <inetpro> no more viri for him
[19:41] <magellanic> good to hear
[19:42] <magellanic> well lady gaga said she likes ubuntu, so that settles it :D
[19:42] <inetpro> serious?
[19:43] <magellanic> http://www.junauza.com/2011/04/lady-gaga-goes-gaga-over-ubuntu.html
[19:50] <afrodeity> april 1
[19:51] <afrodeity> getting some celeb testimonial would be cool tho
[19:52] <afrodeity> apparently they used linux to blow up the Tube
[19:54] <magellanic> oh yea april 1, heh didn't read the comments there :p
[19:54] <magellanic> blow up what tube?
[19:55]  * afrodeity chuckles
[19:55] <afrodeity> checking gulliblity levels
[19:56] <afrodeity> but still would be good idea
[19:56] <afrodeity> make some viral vids
[19:56] <afrodeity> I survived the Natty Upgrade
[19:56] <afrodeity> and I'm chuffed because I'm not a client of M$
[19:58] <afrodeity> would rather get cut down to size, and even be forced to use minix than have money extorted out of me
[19:58] <magellanic> hehe
[19:58] <magellanic> if you bought a pc preinstalled with win, you were already extorted?
[19:59] <afrodeity> luckily my box was cheaper without windows
[20:00] <afrodeity> now they trying to clampdown on android
[20:01] <afrodeity> have you seen the B&N responding document?
[20:01] <magellanic> nope
[20:02] <afrodeity> it is basically a response to the  attack against linux, where M$ literally claims it invented windows
[20:02] <afrodeity> as in windowing
[20:02] <afrodeity> and suchlike
[20:03] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:03] <afrodeity> if it looks like an operating system, then M$ must have invented it ...go figure
[20:03] <magellanic> is this a new case, not related to the oracle vs google one right?
[20:03] <magellanic> hehe
[20:03] <afrodeity> yep
[20:03] <afrodeity> massive
[20:03] <magellanic> link?
[20:04] <afrodeity> maaz, google Microsoft vs Barnes & Noble
[20:04] <Maaz> afrodeity: "Microsoft vs Barnes & Noble: Who Really Wins? - Techland - TIME.com" http://techland.time.com/2011/03/22/microsoft-vs-barnes-noble-who-really-wins/ :: "Microsoft vs. Barnes & Noble" http://www.scribd.com/doc/51246791/Microsoft-vs-Barnes-Noble :: "Microsoft: Lawsuit Pushes Barnes & Noble Into Trending Tweets" http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-suit-pushes-barnes-and-noble-into-trending-tweets-2011-3 :: "Same song, second ve
[20:04] <afrodeity> maaz: google B&N responding document
[20:04] <Maaz> afrodeity: "TechEye stirs up trouble for Microsoft in Barnes & Noble case ..." http://www.techeye.net/business/techeye-stirs-up-trouble-for-microsoft-in-barnes-noble-case :: "[WTF] Barnes & Noble Responds To Microsoft's Android Lawsuit ..." http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/04/29/wtf-microsoft-sues-barnes-noble-reminds-us-why-ms-is-the-devil/ :: "Terms of Use - Barnes & Noble - NOOKdeveloper - Home - Let's ..." https://nookdeveloper.barnesa
[20:06] <afrodeity> maaz: google groklaw Barnes & Noble
[20:06] <Maaz> afrodeity: "Barnes and Noble Charges Microsoft with Misusing Patents - Groklaw ..." http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110427052238659 :: "Groklaw - Barnes & Noble Charges Microsoft with Misusing Patents ..." http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110427052238659 :: "Groklaw - Microsoft Sues Barnes & Noble for Selling Nooks running ..." http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110321172008657 :: "Barnes & Noble Charg
[20:06] <afrodeity> the responding document is on groklaw
[20:06] <magellanic> ah okay, think I saw that initial one on /.
[20:06]  * inetpro thought that groklaw is closing down
[20:07] <magellanic> didn't think it was much, because comments mostly said the claims looked like rubbish :p
[20:07] <afrodeity> could go either way in a US court
[20:08] <magellanic> yeah heh
[20:08] <magellanic> if google gets nortels patents maybe it can do some fighting back
[20:08] <afrodeity> claims are total rubbish, but take a billion dollars and 20 senior counsel arguing the thing and starts to look, well, weird
[20:09]  * inetpro hates patents
[20:10] <afrodeity> my take is this is the end of M$ as a serious contender, it's like trying to enforce a patent on the sandwhich
[20:10] <afrodeity> however, the IP lobbey in the USA is massive
[20:10] <inetpro> now I understand why MS is in bed with Nokia
[20:10] <afrodeity> they got some patents
[20:11] <inetpro> more patents
[20:11] <afrodeity> M$ couldn't beat us on the desktop, now they want to kill linux on the tablet and phone
[20:11] <afrodeity> by taking on a relatively small company
[20:11] <inetpro> haha, yeah right
[20:11] <magellanic> what do you mean desktop? they own desktop atm..
[20:12] <inetpro> they've already succeeded IMHO in slowing us down but they will never stop it
[20:12] <inetpro> the snowball is growing
[20:12] <afrodeity> but the nuisance value alone
[20:13] <afrodeity> so we need to support B&N, make a noise, 
[20:13] <inetpro> definitely a big nuisance in me eyes
[20:13] <afrodeity> litigation is expensive and timeconsuming
[20:14] <afrodeity> we can't rest on our laurels
[20:14] <afrodeity> if we complacent, they could loose
[20:14] <afrodeity> B&N I mean
[20:14] <afrodeity> test case
[20:15] <afrodeity> so we install ubuntu because we don't want M$ telling us what to do
[20:15] <afrodeity> even if we fight bugs every season
[20:15] <magellanic> lol
[20:16]  * afrodeity rolls a kernel and lights up
[20:16] <inetpro> so who's going to the launch party tomorrow?
[20:17] <afrodeity> there's a party?
[20:17] <magellanic> more like a lunch
[20:17] <magellanic> last time was quite cool, but it's so far
[20:18] <afrodeity> tanka town?
[20:18] <inetpro> magellanic: who arranged it?
[20:18] <inetpro> magellanic: it's not up at http://ubuntu-za.org/
[20:19] <magellanic> this one? Nick from ptaisp, I think
[20:19] <magellanic> oh, not sure why it's not up. was there any other gathering for 11.04?
[20:20] <afrodeity> there was a meet in Stellenbosch
[20:21] <magellanic> but jhb/pta?
[20:21] <inetpro> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2011-April/007380.html
[20:21] <magellanic> this is the only one I know of, should be the 'official' meet
[20:22] <magellanic> inetpro: yea that's the one, invite was sent to glug etc too
[20:22] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[20:22] <inetpro> eish, we should have put it up on the site
[20:23] <afrodeity> can't cut & paste in yeahconsole, ouch
[20:25] <afrodeity> pretoria stomp
[20:26] <afrodeity> i'll put some wors on my braai
[20:28]  * afrodeity puts on my lederhosen
[20:29] <magellanic> heh
[20:29]  * afrodeity dusts off the old flugelhorn
[20:40] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:40] <inetpro> I put the info up on the site but I may have added it incorrectly
[20:41] <inetpro> superfly: I should probably have posted a story rather than a page?
[20:42] <inetpro> it's not appearing at the top
[20:43] <inetpro> ok, made it sticky at the top
[20:56] <Kilos> methinks i gonna crash fellas. sleep tight
[20:57] <inetpro> night kil[tab]
[22:10] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, should have been a story - not a problem though
[22:11] <inetpro> superfly: ahh ok
[22:11] <inetpro> superfly: how you doing?
[22:11] <superfly> not well
[22:12] <superfly> I'm gonna see if I can go chat to a doctor friend of mine, and get him to book me off for a couple of days next week
[22:13] <superfly> the irritating thing is that I've been on leave, so everyone wants to see me
[22:13] <superfly> so, for instance, this morning I slept till 12, then I was feeling much better, so we went out this evening, and in retrospect I probably should have rather stayed at home
[22:13] <superfly> but you know, when it's friends that you only see once a year, you make the effort
[23:20] <inetpro> fp
[23:21] <inetpro> superfly: eish
[23:21] <inetpro> really hope that you'll be better soon