[00:55] <ailo> holstein, I see the US home page has been updated
[00:56] <ailo> Does someone have access to that now?
[00:56] <holstein> autostatic
[00:56] <holstein> AFAIK
[00:56] <holstein> ailo: logo is still bad though
[00:59] <ailo> Well, since Oneiric will be quite different, it seems suitable that the homepage should change at that time as well
[01:00] <holstein> ailo: did you see that page?
[01:00] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
[01:00] <ailo> Which one? Jorges?
[01:00] <holstein> i think you should add test cases
[01:00] <holstein> at your liesure
[01:00] <holstein> and assign them or whatever
[01:01] <holstein> ailo: the testing section is still a bit vague
[01:01] <ailo> It's a little bit like a short version of ScottL's page
[01:02] <holstein> pretty much
[01:02] <holstein> cory really wanted it
[01:02] <ailo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning
[01:02] <holstein> and i like it
[01:02] <holstein> nice and official
[01:02] <ailo> It's missing some stuff, though
[01:02] <ailo> Documentation and -controls
[01:02] <holstein> yeah
[01:03] <ailo> In my view top prio on both, really. 
[01:03] <holstein> i think this should be an expanded version specific list
[01:03] <holstein> more about what and when
[01:03] <holstein> so its not a redundant mess
[01:03] <holstein> ailo: you and paultag working on controls?
[01:04] <ailo> Haven't talked with paultag, but I've decide to start working on it in a month or so
[01:04] <holstein> OK
[01:04] <ailo> Have a lot on my hands right now, and I need some extra time for it.
[01:05] <holstein> think about a good ending date for that
[01:05] <ailo> Takes some researching
[01:05] <holstein> goal*
[01:05] <holstein> and i'll put that up there too
[01:05] <ailo> The only things stopping me last time was time. Not a problem now
[01:06] <holstein> cool... lemme pack up for the gig.. BBL
[01:07] <ailo> I should have a basic version ready within a couple of weeks after beginning the coding. What happens after that is whatever time there is to work on things, and what features people would like to put in, or maybe even replace the -controls with falktx work. 
[01:07] <ailo> In any case, I will aim for a basic application first. If we have nothing else, at least we have that
[01:08] <ailo> The other thing I need to learn is packaging, which I will do once I finished the basic application
[01:08] <ailo> I suppose all of this should be ready to test by the end of June the latest
[01:09] <ailo> In the form of a package
[01:16] <ScottL> ailo, holstein: i think what cory wanted was some thought into setting some milestones with dates in order to make release
[01:16] <ScottL> like we need to have the -lowlatency kernel built by a certain date so we can devote one month of testingg
[01:16] <ScottL> cory and i need to update the seeds probably within this month
[01:16] <ScottL> etc
[01:18] <ailo> I can set up a periodic testing system and write a script for it, but I wonder who will assist me in testing?
[01:18] <ailo> We need more machines
[01:19] <ailo> I guess I could try get some volunteers on mail lists, once a script is ready
[01:19] <ailo> Haven't seen meganerd around for a while. He started sketching, but don't know if he continued
[01:20] <ailo> In any case: We already know -lowlatency is the safe choice, right?
[01:20] <ailo> So why not just decide to put it in?
[01:20] <ailo> What do you think ScottL?
[01:21] <ScottL> ailo, right, but i think cory (and i was thinking the same) need to prioritize by assigning milestone dates to it, just like ubuntu does with feature freeze, debian import freeze, etc
[01:22] <ailo> ScottL, We still need to learn how to create the source for -lowlatency, right? Not just package from abogani's, which I assume he will stop mantaining 
[01:23] <ailo> It's basically a ubuntu kernel source with a patch, so it shouldn't be too much trouble
[01:25] <ailo> 2nd of June is Alpha 1
[01:25] <ailo> I guess by then it would be good to have a working -lowlatency then
[01:27] <ailo> ScottL, I will come back in two weeks time to see if there's anything I can help out with. I will try upload a -lowlatency to my PPA then
[01:27] <ailo> ScottL, If I can pull it off, I might as well host a testing script, as well as -controls. I hope to have a working controls ready by the middle of June, the end of June the latest
[01:32] <ailo> ScottL, Here's my schedule, if you want it - 2nd of June: -lowlatency(whoever does that), 15th of June: testing script, 15-30th June: basic working -controls
[01:38] <ailo> ScottL, Have you any thoughts on documentation, how you want to work on that?
[01:46] <ScottL> ailo, abogani agreed to keep putting it into git as he already has but only if someone else packages, builds, and "maintains" it
[01:46] <ailo> ScottL, Great
[01:47] <ScottL> ailo, i think we already feel that -lowlatency is good, i'd like to get a few other people to test, especially with firewire
[01:47] <ScottL> ailo, i don't have any thoughts yet on documentation at this point, maybe after this weekend
[01:49] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[01:49] <holstein> i just dont feel like i can but dates on things
[01:49] <holstein> without talking to the leads
[01:49] <holstein> like dick
[01:49] <holstein> i got some dates from kokito
[01:49] <holstein> and i'll work down the list as we go
[01:50] <ailo> ScottL, I suppose a draft of the documentation should be ready by some point, but it won't need to be finished until next release, or that would feel like an absolute deadline
[01:51] <ailo> ScottL, If we can decide on the content tree no later than some time in June, I guess that's enough?
[01:51] <ScottL> ailo, that sounds good, but we should probably prioritize which sections should be done first, in what order, and which ones should be done this cycle versus next cycle
[01:51] <holstein> i said but dates up there ^
[01:51] <holstein> s/put
[01:51] <ScottL> holstein, the idea was just to get something there and we can discuss it (meaning the dates)
[01:52] <ScottL> holstein, lol, i knoew what you meant ;)
[01:52] <holstein> :)
[01:52] <holstein> ScottL: is it way off base?
[01:52] <holstein> what i have?
[01:52] <ScottL> i think i'm about to convert my in-laws to ubuntu
[01:53] <ScottL> their windows install went tits up last week and i'm not able to fix it so i offered them a couple of live cds with kubutnu and xubuntu
[01:53] <ailo> ScottL, Don't do it. They'll harass you for tech support
[01:53] <ailo> ;)
[01:53] <ScottL> they were amazed that the live disc would allow them to get the internets right off the bat, when they're windows install kept dorking them around :P
[01:53] <ScottL> ailo, i think i can ssh to their computer for most problems
[01:54] <ailo> ScottL, Yeah, I was only kidding
[02:59] <ScottL> hi Daviey 
[05:03] <Kokito> good evening folks
[05:06] <Kokito> ScottL: you should have your blog added to Planet Ubuntu
[05:27] <TheMuso> Kokito: It already is.
[05:30] <Kokito> TheMuso: hmmm... interesting. I am suvscribed to the planet's feed, but I did not see Scott's recent post. maybe I just missed it :)
[05:32] <Kokito> TheMuso: you are right. I just missed the post. Maybe I should not check my feed reader too early in the morning (before I have some coffee) :)
[05:32] <Kokito> bbiab
[05:55] <Kokito> re
[14:56] <scott-work> i've added a chart with rough dates for the timeline wiki page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline#preview
[14:57] <scott-work> comments, additions, corrections, deletions, etc welcome :)
[14:58] <scott-work> i'm still going to add some more line items to a few things
[14:59] <scott-work> after i feel that all the line items for all topics are added with dates, then i'll parse it sorted by date
[15:06] <holstein> scott-work: i like it :)
[18:47] <scott-work> holstein: re: timeline - if there's some stuff you want to add go for it :)
[18:49] <astraljava> scott-work: Did you send the agenda for the meeting, and did I just miss it?
[18:49] <scott-work> astraljava: no, i'm behind on that :(   i'll try to get it tonight though
[18:49] <scott-work> astraljava: if you want to make one that would be awesome :)
[18:50] <astraljava> scott-work: Do you have any sketches already? I can finish it for sure.
[18:51] <scott-work> astraljava: i don't at this time
[18:51] <astraljava> scott-work: Okay. I'll write something up and send it to you for review.
[18:54] <scott-work> astraljava: i would suggest that you go ahead and do it here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[18:54] <scott-work> astraljava: just make another entry and we'll go over it later
[18:54] <astraljava> scott-work: Sure that'll work.
[19:17] <holstein> scott-work: thanks for putting that into a table
[19:17] <holstein> i think thats what cory wanted
[19:21] <scott-work> holstein:  no problem :)
[19:26] <holstein> scott-work: i might just expand the information i put up
[19:26] <holstein> the stuff below the table
[19:27] <holstein> *at some point
[20:23] <astraljava> scott-work: holstein: Agenda is up. Didn't really have an idea what items we should discuss about, so just left a couple from the one that happened exactly a year ago at this same phase of new devel cycle.
[20:24] <astraljava> Please add details, add/remove items etc.
[20:52] <scott-work> holstein: this weekend is not going to be good for me for the meeting
[20:52] <scott-work> holstein: if everyone else still wants to have it, then that's fine by me
[20:52] <scott-work> holstein: if everyone wants to push one week, that is fine as well
[20:52] <scott-work> either way, i will still try to finish the agenda tonight
[21:12] <astraljava> scott-work: No objections for pushing another week.
[21:28] <holstein> scott-work: i cant be here either*
[21:39] <scott-work> holstein: lol, i'll send an email later today then pushing the meeting again :/